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Old 04-30-2021, 01:12 PM   #201
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We are already at, or maybe over, 50% of US adults vaccinated.

Still too many sitting on the sidelines, but they're coming around.

No masks outdoors in Mass today!
Hope so! I can see that stores and restaurant workers are tired of fighting with people (and have pretty much stopped).

I think it will be a crazy summer around here!!
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Went to DD this morning in Laconia, there are huge signs on both doors and inside that says “Wear your mask before entering” yet there are a few old farts (yes I am old too) waiting around for their coffee without their mask on. I am not sure why they would bother putting up signs all over the store if they are not going to enforce it.
What is the point. Either enforce it or do not bother putting signs everywhere.
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Went to DD this morning in Laconia, there are huge signs on both doors and inside that says “Wear your mask before entering” yet there are a few old farts (yes I am old too) waiting around for their coffee without their mask on. I am not sure why they would bother putting up signs all over the store if they are not going to enforce it.
What is the point. Either enforce it or do not bother putting signs everywhere.
Workers are not gonna confront customers.
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Thanks, Newbie. As I referenced above, that piece was so easily debunked it was a testament to how much some of our forum members—and
Americans as a whole—are at the mercy of confirmation bias.
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Workers are not gonna confront customers.
Then they should be honest and change to sign to read
"Masks are optional" or "Masks are encouraged", that way I can decide if I want to go in or not.

I personally will not be going there again, a cup of coffee it's not worth dying for.
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Then they should be honest and change to sign to read
"Masks are optional" or "Masks are encouraged", that way I can decide if I want to go in or not.

I personally will not be going there again, a cup of coffee it's not worth dying for.
Is the coffee is that bad ?


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If you’re worried about dying why even leave the house?!


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You either
  • Do not get it
  • Pretend you don't get it
  • You do not want to get it.

What is the point of advertising for something that you do not have?

That is the question. Had I known they are not going to enforce it, I would not have gone in there. Do you get it now?
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You either
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  • You do not want to get it.

What is the point of advertising for something that you do not have?

That is the question. Had I known they are not going to enforce it, I would not have gone in there. Do you get it now?
You have to be realistic.

I talked to a home depot clerk once and he was explaining how people walk out with stuff in their carts all the time. They just watch them walk out because it’s not worth the confrontation. Clerks are not trained to deal with that sort of thing. So they just let it go.

They gonna put up a sign say we don’t care if you steal anything. We just recommend you don’t.

From the beginning of COViD there have been some folks that refuse to comply. You need to just deal with it, it’s like others said, just stay home.

There are loonies on the road, in every store, in every crowd long before COVID.

From the beginning of COVID I’ve chosen, is it worth it? Say I want take out (when things were really bad with COViD). Often I’d just say no to myself and skip it. Other times I went ahead and got it. We had our limits of seeing anything uncomfortable, we bail.

BTW, my wife and I lost our jobs over COVID confrontation with the owner of the company we worked at. He was a total a$$ in the beginning when states were shutting down. Basically he demanded we be there or he will take that as a resignation. We never went back. I also advised everyone in the company not to comply. Most eventually did leave.

When we went to Polly’s recently my wife was concerned. I said if it doesn’t look good we’ll just do take out. But as soon as we got there we both felt very safe. Tons of space, lots of care being taken. Was it a guarantee that some nut wouldn’t sneeze with no mask going by our table? No, but highly unlikely. About as likely as getting in a car accident getting there.

Some places might try to enforce. But I don’t think many will. You just have to realize that and judge what you are willing to risk. If you don’t feel comfortable then don’t go in.

For Dunkin Donuts just do drive up.
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The benefits of living in a "free" society is that we all have choices.

We were at WalMart yesterday and the sign now says "Masks Recommended". For the last several weeks I've seen a few people on every shopping trip to WalMart without masks -- and almost ALL looked to be over 60 years old. I saw nobody confronted by employees.

There will be people who will refuse the vaccine or wear a mask and there is zero to be done about it. People can hand-wring, fret and pontificate online every day for hours about it with zero effect. No minds will be changed. No shame will be accepted. That time has passed.

The simple solution is those who are afraid should either stay home (not a fun option) or continue to wear their masks when they feel they need to do so. Luckily there are numerous drive throughs, take-out options and curbside pickup services for those who wish to avoid crowds/people. When you think about it you can coast through the rest of your years without ever entering a store, restaurant or place where people gather.
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You have to be realistic.

I talked to a home depot clerk once and he was explaining how people walk out with stuff in their carts all the time. They just watch them walk out because it’s not worth the confrontation. Clerks are not trained to deal with that sort of thing. So they just let it go.

They gonna put up a sign say we don’t care if you steal anything. We just recommend you don’t.

From the beginning of COViD there have been some folks that refuse to comply. You need to just deal with it, it’s like others said, just stay home.

There are loonies on the road, in every store, in every crowd long before COVID.

From the beginning of COVID I’ve chosen, is it worth it? Say I want take out (when things were really bad with COViD). Often I’d just say no to myself and skip it. Other times I went ahead and got it. We had our limits of seeing anything uncomfortable, we bail.

BTW, my wife and I lost our jobs over COVID confrontation with the owner of the company we worked at. He was a total a$$ in the beginning when states were shutting down. Basically he demanded we be there or he will take that as a resignation. We never went back. I also advised everyone in the company not to comply. Most eventually did leave.

When we went to Polly’s recently my wife was concerned. I said if it doesn’t look good we’ll just do take out. But as soon as we got there we both felt very safe. Tons of space, lots of care being taken. Was it a guarantee that some nut wouldn’t sneeze with no mask going by our table? No, but highly unlikely. About as likely as getting in a car accident getting there.

Some places might try to enforce. But I don’t think many will. You just have to realize that and judge what you are willing to risk. If you don’t feel comfortable then don’t go in.

For Dunkin Donuts just do drive up.
I am sorry about losing your job, your ex boss sounds like a BIG A$$.
I hope you and your wife were able to secure something else.
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BTW, my wife and I lost our jobs over COVID confrontation with the owner of the company we worked at. He was a total a$$ in the beginning when states were shutting down. Basically he demanded we be there or he will take that as a resignation. We never went back. I also advised everyone in the company not to comply. Most eventually did leave.
Separate issue from covid in particular--I love that you walked on your jobs. So many people talk a big game about how tough and/or righteous they are, but then don't have the stones at crunch time.

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NPR just had an interview with an epidemiologist who said that because of new variants and vaccine unwillingness, the US is unlikely to ever achieve herd immunity.

Next week, 12+ aged people will have access to the vaccine, which is readily available to most anyone interested.

Two questions:

1. If you've been vaccinated, are you comfortable living life without a mask right now, including indoor public spaces?

2. When do we decide it's time to "let things fall where they may" given the availability of a choice to vaccinate?

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NPR just had an interview with an epidemiologist who said that because of new variants and vaccine unwillingness, the US is unlikely to ever achieve herd immunity.

Next week, 12+ aged people will have access to the vaccine, which is readily available to most anyone interested.

Two questions:

1. If you've been vaccinated, are you comfortable living life without a mask right now, including indoor public spaces?

2. When do we decide it's time to "let things fall where they may" given the availability of a choice to vaccinate?

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NPR just had an interview with an epidemiologist who said that because of new variants and vaccine unwillingness, the US is unlikely to ever achieve herd immunity.

Next week, 12+ aged people will have access to the vaccine, which is readily available to most anyone interested.

Two questions:

1. If you've been vaccinated, are you comfortable living life without a mask right now, including indoor public spaces?

2. When do we decide it's time to "let things fall where they may" given the availability of a choice to vaccinate?

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1. Yes, vaccinated. Yes comfortable being anywhere without a mask.
2. Now.
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I presume that by “get” you mean “understand”. Yes, I understand the point you attempted to make. I was responding tongue-in-cheek to your hyperbolic panic over the prospect of dying from buying coffee while wearing a mask. I do credit you for not expecting others to act silly so you can feel better. That’s refreshing and laudable.


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I am sorry about losing your job, your ex boss sounds like a BIG A$$.
I hope you and your wife were able to secure something else.
Thanks. Yes we both have better jobs.

I can work 3 days a week from home after COVID.
And it’s about half way between my MA house and the NH lake house so I can commute from either house.

But damn, my wife just got a great job. Not sure how flexible they will be on the work from home part, after COVID. We’ll see.
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Went into three small businesses this weekend and, though all had plexiglass barriers at the counters, none had mask requests and nobody—workers nor customers—was wearing a mask.

Honestly, it felt pretty good.

I'm not sure I'd feel as confident in a more saturated environment—bar/ club, busy gym, etc.—but things are definitely moving forward.

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So let me ask, in your opinion when do we stop wearing masks?
When the professionals, people with vast education and knowledge on this subject say it is OK to not wear a mask.
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When the professionals, people with vast education and knowledge on this subject say it is OK to not wear a mask.
I was asking broguy for his opinion but thanks for your unsolicited response anyway.
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When we all start wearing Depends.
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On the other hand.....What about that fat guy who passes gas in the elevator after eating a 3-bean burrito for lunch? Assuming he has underwear and pants on, how is it that the "gas" is disseminated so rapidly through not one, but two layers of cloth?
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On the other hand.....What about that fat guy who passes gas in the elevator after eating a 3-bean burrito for lunch? Assuming he has underwear and pants on, how is it that the "gas" is disseminated so rapidly through not one, but two layers of cloth?
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NPR just had an interview with an epidemiologist who said that because of new variants and vaccine unwillingness, the US is unlikely to ever achieve herd immunity. Next week, 12+ aged people will have access to the vaccine, which is readily available to most anyone interested.

Two questions:

1. If you've been vaccinated, are you comfortable living life without a mask right now, including indoor public spaces?

2. When do we decide it's time to "let things fall where they may" given the availability of a choice to vaccinate?
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"To be sure, as the agency noted, there there are psychological and social benefits to mask wearing. For instance, in some countries, mask wearing helped to prevent stigmatizing the infected.

"Still, mask wearing by the general public is not among the WHO’s recommendations. “We don’t generally recommend the wearing of masks in public by otherwise [healthy] individuals because it has not up to now been associated with any particular benefit,” said Ryan."
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That statement is from March of last year, before the pandemic really got started. Did you know that and were deliberately misleading or did you fall for confirmation bias like so many others?

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Awesome! Though I've felt ready to do this since being vaccinated, I've been fine wearing a mask for others who haven't, but I'm sure ready to move forward now that vaccines are easy to get.

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Awesome! Though I've felt ready to do this since being vaccinated, I've been fine wearing a mask for others who haven't, but I'm sure ready to move forward now that vaccines are easy to get.

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While vaccines may be easy to get, demand for them has decreased too soon. And New Hampshire ranks 33rd of states for percentage of fully vaccinated individuals. The other 5 New England states make up the top 5.


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So now that masks are not required for the vaccinated, please remember that the rules that each non government business puts in place for their establishment are the rights of the owners/management. Bottom line you do not have to do business with a place in which you do not want to follow their rules. So please do everyone a favor...if you do not wish to follow those rules go elsewhere rather than to create confrontation with the management, employees and customers.
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So now that masks are not required for the vaccinated, please remember that the rules that each non government business puts in place for their establishment are the rights of the owners/management. Bottom line you do not have to do business with a place in which you do not want to follow their rules. So please do everyone a favor...if you do not wish to follow those rules go elsewhere rather than to create confrontation with the management, employees and customers.
I agree. It always irritates me when people clearly violate a business's policy and get into an argument with the employee. This is true of returns, dress code, masks, 12 items or less lanes, etc. Having been that teenager tasked with asking people to follow clearly stated rules/expectations, only to be demeaned by a customer, I am sympathetic to the employees who are low on the decision making totem pole yet on the front line of enforcement.
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That statement is from March of last year, before the pandemic really got started. Did you know that and were deliberately misleading or did you fall for confirmation bias like so many others? Please let me know if I'm wrong, and I'll gladly edit, but here's the current (as of their website on 5/12) WHO recommendations...
I shelved my TV set in my Dad's attic maybe 20 years ago, so my own confirmation bias comes from the same research that today's so-called "Journalists" were supposed to be doing.

In March of 2020, both Dr. Fauci and WHO were lying to us.

But—from researching British, Australian, and Dubai news-sources—I understood why.
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We will see if there a sudden spike nationwide in 2 weeks.
I don't think we will.

COVID, like other viruses, is here for while -- viruses mutate. So the best you can do is get vaccinated and protect yourself however you see fit.

Remember before COVID how so many with compromised immune systems (COPD, lung cancer and other ailments) wore those same white/blue surgical masks in public as they were recommended by docs to prevent being exposed to germs/viruses? So why does wearing those same masks no longer prevent you being exposed to germs/viruses, but will prevent someone wearing a mask from infecting you? Isn't there a barrier inside the mask? If there is a barrier then it logically blocks going BOTH ways.

I've wondered this for a year -- it makes no sense.

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I don't think we will.

COVID, like other viruses, is here for while -- viruses mutate. So the best you can do is get vaccinated and protect yourself however you see fit.

Remember before COVID how so many with compromised immune systems (COPD, lung cancer and other ailments) wore those same white/blue surgical masks in public as they were recommended by docs to prevent being exposed to germs/viruses? So why does wearing those same masks no longer prevent you being exposed to germs/viruses, but will prevent someone wearing a mask from infecting you? Isn't there a barrier inside the mask? If there is a barrier then it logically blocks going BOTH ways.

I've wondered this for a year -- it makes no sense.

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I don’t know why you think masks no longer prevent the wearer from being exposed.

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Multi-layer cloth masks block release of exhaled respiratory particles into the environment,3-6 along with the microorganisms these particles carry.7,8 Cloth masks not only effectively block most large droplets (i.e., 20-30 microns and larger)9 but they can also block the exhalation of fine droplets and particles (also often referred to as aerosols) smaller than 10 microns ;3,5 which increase in number with the volume of speech10-12 and specific types of phonation.13 Multi-layer cloth masks can both block up to 50-70% of these fine droplets and particles3,14 and limit the forward spread of those that are not captured.5,6,15,16 Upwards of 80% blockage has been achieved in human experiments that have measured blocking of all respiratory droplets,4 with cloth masks in some studies performing on par with surgical masks as barriers for source control.3,9,14

Filtration for Wearer Protection
Studies demonstrate that cloth mask materials can also reduce wearers’ exposure to infectious droplets through filtration, including filtration of fine droplets and particles less than 10 microns. The relative filtration effectiveness of various masks has varied widely across studies, in large part due to variation in experimental design and particle sizes analyzed. Multiple layers of cloth with higher thread counts have demonstrated superior performance compared to single layers of cloth with lower thread counts, in some cases filtering nearly 50% of fine particles less than 1 micron .14,17-29 Some materials (e.g., polypropylene) may enhance filtering effectiveness by generating triboelectric charge (a form of static electricity) that enhances capture of charged particles18,30 while others (e.g., silk) may help repel moist droplets31 and reduce fabric wetting and thus maintain breathability and comfort. In addition to the number of layers and choice of materials, other techniques can improve wearer protection by improving fit and thereby filtration capacity. Examples include but are not limited to mask fitters, knotting-and-tucking the ear loops of medical procedures masks, using a cloth mask placed over a medical procedure mask, and nylon hosiery sleeves.


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Multi-layer cloth masks block release of exhaled respiratory particles into the environment,3-6 along with the microorganisms these particles carry.7,8 Cloth masks not only effectively block most large droplets (i.e., 20-30 microns and larger)9 but they can also block the exhalation of fine droplets and particles (also often referred to as aerosols) smaller than 10 microns ;3,5 which increase in number with the volume of speech10-12 and specific types of phonation.13 Multi-layer cloth masks can both block up to 50-70% of these fine droplets and particles3,14 and limit the forward spread of those that are not captured.5,6,15,16 Upwards of 80% blockage has been achieved in human experiments that have measured blocking of all respiratory droplets,4 with cloth masks in some studies performing on par with surgical masks as barriers for source control.3,9,14

Filtration for Wearer Protection
Studies demonstrate that cloth mask materials can also reduce wearers’ exposure to infectious droplets through filtration, including filtration of fine droplets and particles less than 10 microns. The relative filtration effectiveness of various masks has varied widely across studies, in large part due to variation in experimental design and particle sizes analyzed. Multiple layers of cloth with higher thread counts have demonstrated superior performance compared to single layers of cloth with lower thread counts, in some cases filtering nearly 50% of fine particles less than 1 micron .14,17-29 Some materials (e.g., polypropylene) may enhance filtering effectiveness by generating triboelectric charge (a form of static electricity) that enhances capture of charged particles18,30 while others (e.g., silk) may help repel moist droplets31 and reduce fabric wetting and thus maintain breathability and comfort. In addition to the number of layers and choice of materials, other techniques can improve wearer protection by improving fit and thereby filtration capacity. Examples include but are not limited to mask fitters, knotting-and-tucking the ear loops of medical procedures masks, using a cloth mask placed over a medical procedure mask, and nylon hosiery sleeves.


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Never said I don't believe they work. I was simply bringing up a question about the messaging throughout to wear masks to protect OTHERS vs told to wear them to protect OURSELVES. Am I saying I don't believe masks work? Nope. I've worn one throughout when required.

Since masks protect you both ways, the vaccinated should not have to wear them any longer...anywhere. Yes, there will be private business that will still require them and I'll wear them if I really need to get something inside. Because masks work both ways then those who still fear being near others should wear the mask and be confident they are protecting themselves.
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Never said I don't believe they work. I was simply bringing up a question about the messaging throughout to wear masks to protect OTHERS vs told to wear them to protect OURSELVES. Am I saying I don't believe masks work? Nope. I've worn one throughout when required.

Since masks protect you both ways, the vaccinated should not have to wear them any longer...anywhere. Yes, there will be private business that will still require them and I'll wear them if I really need to get something inside. Because masks work both ways then those who still fear being near others should wear the mask and be confident they are protecting themselves.
Sorry, I guess I misunderstood your question/confusion. Masks don’t work equally in both directions. Masks are more effective at preventing transmission than preventing infection. Wish I could find the article I read early on in the mask debate explaining why, but I can’t at the moment, and my pea brain has shoved that info out.

Recommendations are going to change as we get deeper into the time since vaccines became available and more data becomes available.


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At a visit to the M'boro Dollar General today, a sign on the door said masks were not required for those that have been vaccinated and recommended for those that aren't. Most inside were wearing masks. I went without and it felt good, safe for others and weird at the same time. Keeping masks at customer's discretion seems like a good next step as long as variants aren't breaking through, but the approach is not without risk.

I believe, as does Gillygirl, that masks are better at protecting others than yourself, since they absorb potentially virus laden moisture. Unfortunately, those that choose to identify as vaccinated or otherwise immune will include a few that are contagious. Those not immune may catch a dose but it is unlikely at this point that an outbreak will overwhelm the medical system.
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I think this is a good way to handle masks right now. This was on a restaurant I visited Friday that had plenty of indoor and outdoor seating.Name:  20210521_174639.jpeg
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Just ate lunch at Shibleys at the pier. No masks on staff or customers. It was wonderful to see smiles


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With rain forecasted for the next few days it will terrifiic to have a mask burning event with family and friends


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I had thought that this topic would be finished by now, but no....another email today, stating that we all must still wear masks while in public in order to protect those who haven’t been vaccinated. WHAT? I believe that by now everyone who wants to have the vaccine can get it....it’s readily available. If that’s the case, why must the rest of us wear masks because some people are either careless or too lazy to get the vaccine? That’s nuts.
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I had thought that this topic would be finished by now, but no....another email today, stating that we all must still wear masks while in public in order to protect those who haven’t been vaccinated. WHAT? I believe that by now everyone who wants to have the vaccine can get it....it’s readily available. If that’s the case, why must the rest of us wear masks because some people are either careless or too lazy to get the vaccine? That’s nuts.
Who sent you the e-mail? As for not getting the vax, some people are unable to get it.


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Sent by a member of a group we belong to, and it was worthy of an eye roll. If someone can’t get the vaccine for some health reason, shouldn’t they be the ones to take precautions? I don’t want to be callous, but wearing masks long term seems ridiculous. From a purely selfish standpoint, hearing/understanding the mask wearer speak is very difficult. JMO
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Sent by a member of a group we belong to, and it was worthy of an eye roll. If someone can’t get the vaccine for some health reason, shouldn’t they be the ones to take precautions? I don’t want to be callous, but wearing masks long term seems ridiculous. From a purely selfish standpoint, hearing/understanding the mask wearer speak is very difficult. JMO
Completely agree, although I am curious to see how the numbers go in a couple of weeks. My sister was at a bar a couple of nights ago. She said it looked like a super spreader event. And that’s from someone who has been in FL since September.


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I’m pretty sure those that decide not to get the vaccine would not be looking for sympathy from anyone. JMO


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Sympathy is not a figure of speech. I respect peoples choice to get vaccinated or not. Nobody should be forced to be vaccinated. Again JMO. You don’t like my opinion that’s your prerogative.


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Who said anything about disrespect? You interpret and always look for issues to argue about you don’t read. All I did was state my opinion on the subject of vaccination. Like it or don’t makes no difference to me. It’s a person right to decide what’s best for them.


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Joey, I think Flying was merely trying to explain his use of the word sympathy, not trying to start something. Please relax. If you want to tell me to MYOB, I can take it. 😇 Happy Memorial Day. 🎉💥🎉
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Not at all. I do like your optimistic point of view but every time I post he digs looking to start an argument. I never said anything personal about his post just stated my opinion and his misinterpretation of the word sympathy which he obviously didn’t like

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There is not a hint of any science showing that mask wearing among the general population does anything at all to limit covid transmission, actually the opposite and causes other problems. Early on even Saint Fauci stated in an accidentaly moment of honesty that masks could do more harm than good becasue people constantly fidgit with them, touch their face a lot, wear them wrong and reuse them too much. This makes logical common sense and there is science to back it up. I challenge anyone to come up with an actual scientific study showing masks do any good in public. "it can't hurt" is not science.

A Stanford/National institute of health study details the actual facts. This will not get wide publication because the power structure wants masks to be an object of control as well as a handy thing to blame any surge in cases on. Never mind that the southern border is wide open with untested thousands flooding over and then being let loose or transported around the country. No, cases are up because people are not wearing masks. Of course the truthfulness of the actual numbers is another topic for a different discussion.

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It's "out there" to be found.
I did look. Lots of articles on the emails, nothing about him losing his job.


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Jbolty and ApS--thank you for using a citation on the mask point. I just read the link and noticed two things right away. First, the article was titled "Hypothesis" (as opposed to "study" or "trial" or similar). So the author was not asserting that masks were not helpful, only that more study was needed. Second, the article has since been retracted. So the journal has concluded that it is no longer a relevant hypothesis (because masks have been proven effective) or that the original hypothesis had fundamental flaws that were not understood prior to publication.

Personally, I'm glad I've gotten to ditch the face masks I wore for a year, and even gladder than none of my family ended up with covid.
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Here in the USA:

March 2020. After receiving an email about the experiments at the Wuhan lab, Fauci emails his deputy, Dr. Hugh Auchincloss:

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As Auchincloss replies, “Will try to determine if we have any distant ties to this work abroad.”
Hmmm...Paper?

Dr. Fauci's scientific paper from 2012? Referencing "Gain of Function"? Referencing a "Risk of Pandemic" from artificially accelerating the potency of a virus? Laboratory work that can't be done--by law--in the USA? Grant millions of US taxpayer-dollars to a burgeoning Communist regime?

There are many emails just disclosed by FOIA lawsuit. (Freedom of Information Act).

These must be damaging, as the NYTs and "Pravda on the Potomac" news-sources are silent (so far).
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If anyone really wants to see all of the emails here is a link to Reuters which contains links to the thousands of emails. Then choose the ones which best fit your belief system.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL2N2NM1JC
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Quite an interesting read on the efficacy of masks conducted by the University of Louisville. So far as I've been able to find, its one of the only full case studies on this issue alone.

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This was just posted in the Journal of the American Medical Association. It deals with efficacy of masks and all the stuff we are politely discussing.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...m_medium=email

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Quite an interesting read on the efficacy of masks conducted by the University of Louisville. So far as I've been able to find, its one of the only full case studies on this issue alone.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....18.21257385v1
This is a preprint and has no peer review and states that it should not be used as a guide to clinical practice. This is not to say not to read it, but don’t bet the farm on it.
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