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Old 03-24-2020, 01:06 PM   #1
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Okay, I will start off by saying that I have NEVER posted anything relating to Politics in this forum - ever! I find it usually serves no purpose as everyone has their own (and welcome to it) opinions.

But as I sit cooped up at home -- oh remote working, that's it - and at the end of each day, for the last several days, there has been a White House Update on Covid-19.

Here are my genuine questions

(1) Why is Social distancing practiced by everyone else (State & Local Gov't briefings, News Broadcasts, et al) yet each and every night 4-6 people cram on the podium to flank (elbow to elbow) the President of the United States during his briefing? Shouldn't the example start at the top ?

(2) Why during these speeches does the first 30 minutes always sound like a campaign speech of all the good things and fast reactions the Administration has taken - when in reality ( I work global) we, as a Country, sat on our thumbs 2-3 weeks longer than we should have.

(3) Finally, in these speeches - why is everything moving along "great" "Super" and will "end faster than anyone could image" due to the Administrations quick and decisive actions --- yet the Surgeon General (standing on the same podium) went on record that the darkest days a yet ahead


Okay -- I feel better now

Please understand this has NOTHING to do with "Republican" vs "Democrat" - If one must know, I am Independent-

It's about acting Presidential in a time of National Crisis- with strength, Dignity, and humility (not campaigning).

Blow this thread up & take it in typical fashion off topic quickly -- I have accomplished what I wanted and blew off steam as I do not subscribe to twitter, Facebook or any of those other social media outlets .
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I agree with everything you said including the reaction. Unfortunately.
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Mass. has a shelter in place action yet Mass property owners are going back and forth between their seasonal homes and homes? Some of them are even on 'permanent vacation' up here now that there is no school and work. I'm envisioning a strain on the medical resources in the Lakes Region area!
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Hi Phantom. I'll bite. I have always enjoyed your posts, so take this in the spirit in which it is given.

My suspicion is that you are not really an independent. Given the tone of your post, it appears that you don't care for the evil orange man. That said, our great president's public approval has skyrocketed since this media-driven crisis. I do not think his political rivals thought this would be the outcome.

Any way, what do you expect the president to say -- "the sky is falling and we're all completely F'd? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro). He said it best, he is giving us hope. As a fan of the president, it has been his best moments as being presidential.

Just my two cents.
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Okay, I will start off by saying that I have NEVER posted anything relating to Politics in this forum - ever! I find it usually serves no purpose as everyone has their own (and welcome to it) opinions.

But as I sit cooped up at home -- oh remote working, that's it - and at the end of each day, for the last several days, there has been a White House Update on Covid-19.

Here are my genuine questions

(1) Why is Social distancing practiced by everyone else (State & Local Gov't briefings, News Broadcasts, et al) yet each and every night 4-6 people cram on the podium to flank (elbow to elbow) the President of the United States during his briefing? Shouldn't the example start at the top ?

(2) Why during these speeches does the first 30 minutes always sound like a campaign speech of all the good things and fast reactions the Administration has taken - when in reality ( I work global) we, as a Country, sat on our thumbs 2-3 weeks longer than we should have.

(3) Finally, in these speeches - why is everything moving along "great" "Super" and will "end faster than anyone could image" due to the Administrations quick and decisive actions --- yet the Surgeon General (standing on the same podium) went on record that the darkest days a yet ahead


Okay -- I feel better now

Please understand this has NOTHING to do with "Republican" vs "Democrat" - If one must know, I am Independent-

It's about acting Presidential in a time of National Crisis- with strength, Dignity, and humility (not campaigning).

Blow this thread up & take it in typical fashion off topic quickly -- I have accomplished what I wanted and blew off steam as I do not subscribe to twitter, Facebook or any of those other social media outlets .
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(1.) They cram around the podium so they can get on camera. For a politician, getting on multiple national TV feeds is more important than life.

(2.) The first 30 minutes sound like a campaign speech, because the first 30 minutes ARE a campaign speech.

(3.) See answer #2
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I actually blocked a few members on this site because they continue to post the exact same comments multiple times a day just worded differently.

I'm good with everyone having an opinion but continuing to post the same thing over and over only does one thing and add to you post count.
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I agree with your comments. They started out a few weeks ago by Pence as a national health update. It seems that they were then taken over by the President and have been repurposed. He directs all of the camera images. I also wondered why they are not practicing what they preach. I am guessing the medically trained personnel would rather maintain the separation if they had a choice.

Remember we are not facing a political crisis, we are facing a public health crisis.
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I'll add my two cents worth. I can remember that people were complaining when Trump stopped people coming in from China. They said that he was racist and the move wasn't necessary. Some people would be against anything he does whether it is right or not. This isn't the time to be political about everything he does. He's trying to do the best he can. Unless you have personal experience about Defense procurement, you don't know how difficult, time consuming and expensive it is to procure items, even if you can cut the red tape. Private sectors are stepping up all over the country to fill the void. Probably much faster than the government could do it.
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Mass. has a shelter in place action yet Mass property owners are going back and forth between their seasonal homes and homes? Some of them are even on 'permanent vacation' up here now that there is no school and work. I'm envisioning a strain on the medical resources in the Lakes Region area!

Mass does not have a shelter in place order. The Governor made that specific. It is only a stay at home recommendation.

If I get sick in the lakes region, I will, as I have in the past, drive down to a MA hospital. Just like many NH residents do.
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Massachusetts does not have a "Shelter in Place", but rather a Statewide "Stay at Home" Advisory, which is a difference.

All non-essential businesses must physically close. This also allows restaurants to stay open for Take Out, Delivery or Curb-Side pick up, but allows it up to the Owner if they want to completely close or not. Also allows Grocery Stores, Pharmacy, Gas Stations, Convenience Stores to stay open for business.

This Advisory also allows for each Town/City to use their Discretion on "Shelter in Place" vs "Stay At Home" based upon cases that arise at this time
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Thank you for clarifying this matter.
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I can remember that people were complaining when Trump stopped people coming in from China. They said that he was racist and the move wasn't necessary.
This sentence, obviously, is unrelated to the rest of the post about procurement. Also obvious is that whether or not you believe he is a racist, Donald Trump has said many things in public that inflame racial and ethnic tensions. Most recently about Chinese people, but also plenty of memorable stuff about Muslims and Africa. I'm sure you could think of some if you just give a moment.
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Okay, I will start off by saying that I have NEVER posted anything relating to Politics in this forum - ever! I find it usually serves no purpose as everyone has their own (and welcome to it) opinions.

But as I sit cooped up at home -- oh remote working, that's it - and at the end of each day, for the last several days, there has been a White House Update on Covid-19.
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Mass. has a shelter in place action yet Mass property owners are going back and forth between their seasonal homes and homes? Some of them are even on 'permanent vacation' up here now that there is no school and work. I'm envisioning a strain on the medical resources in the Lakes Region area!
Mass does not have Shelter in place yet.
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Okay, I will start off by saying that I have NEVER posted anything relating to Politics in this forum - ever! I find it usually serves no purpose as everyone has their own (and welcome to it) opinions.

But as I sit cooped up at home -- oh remote working, that's it - and at the end of each day, for the last several days, there has been a White House Update on Covid-19.

Here are my genuine questions

(1) Why is Social distancing practiced by everyone else (State & Local Gov't briefings, News Broadcasts, et al) yet each and every night 4-6 people cram on the podium to flank (elbow to elbow) the President of the United States during his briefing? Shouldn't the example start at the top ?

(2) Why during these speeches does the first 30 minutes always sound like a campaign speech of all the good things and fast reactions the Administration has taken - when in reality ( I work global) we, as a Country, sat on our thumbs 2-3 weeks longer than we should have.

(3) Finally, in these speeches - why is everything moving along "great" "Super" and will "end faster than anyone could image" due to the Administrations quick and decisive actions --- yet the Surgeon General (standing on the same podium) went on record that the darkest days a yet ahead


Okay -- I feel better now

Please understand this has NOTHING to do with "Republican" vs "Democrat" - If one must know, I am Independent-

It's about acting Presidential in a time of National Crisis- with strength, Dignity, and humility (not campaigning).

Blow this thread up & take it in typical fashion off topic quickly -- I have accomplished what I wanted and blew off steam as I do not subscribe to twitter, Facebook or any of those other social media outlets .
Someone convinced him to stop calling it the China Virus but I could tell from his tone that he was really having a hard time with that.
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just wanted to leave it where it would get some eyeballs, and brighten some days

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In some ways the Forum is like several live TV shows at once, and generally someone answers out of sync with the rest of the conversation, or, cherry-picks a part of a post to answer, and then the end comes loose and all sorts of responses appear, whether they relate to a post or not. Keeps it interesting, if not confusing.
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Okay, I will start off by saying that I have NEVER posted anything relating to Politics in this forum - ever! I find it usually serves no purpose as everyone has their own (and welcome to it) opinions.

But as I sit cooped up at home -- oh remote working, that's it - and at the end of each day, for the last several days, there has been a White House Update on Covid-19.

Here are my genuine questions

(1) Why is Social distancing practiced by everyone else (State & Local Gov't briefings, News Broadcasts, et al) yet each and every night 4-6 people cram on the podium to flank (elbow to elbow) the President of the United States during his briefing? Shouldn't the example start at the top ?

(2) Why during these speeches does the first 30 minutes always sound like a campaign speech of all the good things and fast reactions the Administration has taken - when in reality ( I work global) we, as a Country, sat on our thumbs 2-3 weeks longer than we should have.

(3) Finally, in these speeches - why is everything moving along "great" "Super" and will "end faster than anyone could image" due to the Administrations quick and decisive actions --- yet the Surgeon General (standing on the same podium) went on record that the darkest days a yet ahead


Okay -- I feel better now

Please understand this has NOTHING to do with "Republican" vs "Democrat" - If one must know, I am Independent-

It's about acting Presidential in a time of National Crisis- with strength, Dignity, and humility (not campaigning).

Blow this thread up & take it in typical fashion off topic quickly -- I have accomplished what I wanted and blew off steam as I do not subscribe to twitter, Facebook or any of those other social media outlets .
1. I wondered about that too. They've all tested negative. The press all have their temp taken before they get anywhere near the briefing.
2. The upfront speech is for the press who don't remember from day to day. Groundhog Day type stuff. Recall, it is rare for a president to give daily briefings that are televised in full, as opposed to clips that a producer/editor selects to fit a story line. Many viewers don't see this everyday, so it may be a little bit new and reassuring. Yes, there are staffers who tell the President what is good or not good to say. He often doesn't listen, so an approved script is a good idea. VP Biden gets the same thing. Pres. Obama alays had his teleprompter.
3. President Trump tends to speak with emphatic words and phrases. Just his style. With a TV background, he knows what works on TV. Reagan had a good knack for "le bon mot." I don't think anybody in between had similar skills or experience.

Financial markets up about 6% today. Meds delivered to my doorstep today, no copay. I'm feeling better.
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Heard a Dr. on TV saying in this time of Coronavirus staying at home we should focus on inner peace. To achieve this we should always finish things we start and we all could use more calm in our lives. I looked through my house to find things i'd started and hadn't finished, so I finished off a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Chardonnay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of wum, tha mainder of Valiumun srciptuns, an a box a chocletz. Yu haf no idr how feckin fablus I feel rite now. Sned this to all who need inner piss. An telum u luvum. And two hash yer wands, stafe day avrybobby!!!
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Heard a Dr. on TV saying in this time of Coronavirus staying at home we should focus on inner peace. To achieve this we should always finish things we start and we all could use more calm in our lives. I looked through my house to find things i'd started and hadn't finished, so I finished off a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Chardonnay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of wum, tha mainder of Valiumun srciptuns, an a box a chocletz. Yu haf no idr how feckin fablus I feel rite now. Sned this to all who need inner piss. An telum u luvum. And two hash yer wands, stafe day avrybobby!!!
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Phantom, I agree, it's not about politics, and I share your concerns and thank you for posting. And if you're one of the ones that is "offended" by Phantom's comments ....please, I know they're just meant as as expression of very real and valid concerns for our country. Also......can somebody please tell me how to post a "Thank You" response? there used to be a place for that and I don't see it anymore. Take care everybody.....stay safe......stay well, and if you're at all able to, stay home.
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Can you cite a source for this information about the Massachusettes shelter in place order and just who it applies to.

Please just a source.


Edit ...... is this wrong? Just asking .

https://www.nepr.net/post/why-mass-g...order#stream/0
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^^ From what I've read, some individual towns do, but that state does not, only a "request" to do so.
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^^ From what I've read, some individual towns do, but that state does not, only a "request" to do so.
Thank you for the information. What you posted is how I had see it too. ........ " a request but not an order to shelter in place"
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He said it best, he is giving us hope.
He gave these people hope.
One of them died.


He is giving religious people hope about having mass gatherings at Easter.. Is it any wonder that Pastor Tony Spell thinks it's ok to ignore Louisiana state guidance and bus people together for "hands on healing"? How many other events will go ahead on Easter even if the medical professionals have not given the 'all clear'?

There is giving hope and there is giving dangerous false information that will cost people their lives.
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No they don't. He's calling it "stay at home". I'm not sure what the difference is but he made sure to specify that it was not a "shelter in place" order. .
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So I also don't like to talk politics, I also don't post much here, am more of a hoverer.
Anyway, I completely agree with the original post. I've been asking this for a while now. I think that the big thing right now with Trump is that he contradicts everything he says and with what the MDs are saying too. As a medical professional, I am a physical therapist so not on the "front line" by any means but still working right now, I find it hard to believe half the things out of his mouth. My favorite the other day was that we should be "using the GREAT liquids that we have to sanitize the face masks".
I have no problem with him trying to boost moral, but do it at least somewhat in reality, and when a reporter asks "do you have anything to tell Americans that are afraid" (which there are a lot) and the response is "your a horrible reporter" that doesn't portray confidence in what he is doing.

Also, live in MA and work in NH and we are not in lock down. MA is essential workers only, and we are allowed to be outside and move around freely.

Like I said, and a few others, my rant is not a political rant, it is just observations on what is going on now.
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No they don't. He's calling it "stay at home". I'm not sure what the difference is but he made sure to specify that it was not a "shelter in place" order. .
https://www.wcvb.com/article/stay-at...virus/31908935

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What people need to realize is that a shelter in place or stay at home order does not mean you can’t leave your house for essential business. Shop at the grocery store, get gas, pick up stuff at pharmacies or take out restaurants, go to your doctor’s appointments, walk around your neighborhood are all okay. Get your hair done, or a massage, go to a cinema, eat in a restaurant, all no bueno.

Why are people so hung up on semantics? If the verbiage chosen means the same thing, don’t freaking nitpick.


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No they don't. He's calling it "stay at home". I'm not sure what the difference is but he made sure to specify that it was not a "shelter in place" order. .
If you’re not sure what the difference is, then check out what he actually said, and you’ll realize it’s the same as a shelter in place in other states.

If this condition where the general population can’t rationally analyze things for themselves persists, eventually the people who consider themselves the intelligentsia of a community are going to start putting their foot down and cutting the general population out. It was a major consideration during the founding of this country.


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@ gillygirl :Taken from your article

"Baker drew a distinction between his orders and a mandated shelter-in-place, saying he did not believe that he "can or should order U.S. citizens to be confined to their homes for days on end."

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If you’re not sure what the difference is, then check out what he actually said, and you’ll realize it’s the same as a shelter in place in other states.
{Not the same}

Massachusetts stay-at-home advisory FAQs

https://www.wwlp.com/news/massachuse...advisory-faqs/

VS:

Shelter in place” order, one of the more stringent measures available to authorities—save a full quarantine or lockdown—to compel residents to stay in their homes and limit movement.

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Shelter-in-Place and Stay-at-Home Orders: What They Mean
https://www.thecut.com/2020/03/what-...lace-mean.html

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What I've witnessed the Democrat party doing over the past 3 years has been a national disgrace... I don't expect them to act any different today. Only an intelligent capable individual will even begin to understand.
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gillygirl, respectfully there is a distinction - "Shelter in place" means generally, lock the doors & do not go out...…this is similar to when schools go into lockdown & the adjacent neighborhood goes into "shelter in Place"…...

"Stay at Home" advisory ( which Ma is under) is a means to get people from socializing, having "play dates" for theirs kids or still going into their offices when not considered essential or in the case of my Company (considered Essential) we have people who can just as easily be remote yet continue to go to the office ( which our HR is dealing with on a case by case basis).

Again, I work for a global firm -- Wuhan was in a "Shelter in Place"/ Lockdown - people were ONLY allowed to leave their homes for food - which in itself was/is scarce. I have 5 close business associates who are currently trapped in Wuhan due to the unfortunate timing of going home to see family at their New Years celebration and became trapped by the situation. Thankfully Wuhan has just recently lifted this restriction as they have "Flattened the curve" -- but I digress

My original post was NOT a political rant as some have so keenly pointed out -- I am just aghast that the Leader of this great Nation can neither speak coherently nor gives any semblance of "lead by example" Leadership when he & his staff ignore what they preach (Social distancing) and stating things that his own advisors refute on the same podium … "we will have this under control by Easter & our economy will be even greater than before"


It is at this point that I will do my best to stay on the sidelines of this thread -- I have vented and there are those who obviously see what I see ( again- not a Politics issue).
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gillygirl, respectfully there is a distinction - "Shelter in place" means generally, lock the doors & do not go out...…this is similar to when schools go into lockdown & the adjacent neighborhood goes into "shelter in Place"…...

"Stay at Home" advisory ( which Ma is under) is a means to get people from socializing, having "play dates" for theirs kids or still going into their offices when not considered essential or in the case of my Company (considered Essential) we have people who can just as easily be remote yet continue to go to the office ( which our HR is dealing with on a case by case basis).

Again, I work for a global firm -- Wuhan was in a "Shelter in Place"/ Lockdown - people were ONLY allowed to leave their homes for food - which in itself was/is scarce. I have 5 close business associates who are currently trapped in Wuhan due to the unfortunate timing of going home to see family at their New Years celebration and became trapped by the situation. Thankfully Wuhan has just recently lifted this restriction as they have "Flattened the curve" -- but I digress

My original post was NOT a political rant as some have so keenly pointed out -- I am just aghast that the Leader of this great Nation can neither speak coherently nor gives any semblance of "lead by example" Leadership when he & his staff ignore what they preach (Social distancing) and stating things that his own advisors refute on the same podium … "we will have this under control by Easter & our economy will be even greater than before"


It is at this point that I will do my best to stay on the sidelines of this thread -- I have vented and there are those who obviously see what I see ( again- not a Politics issue).
I think the difference between "stay at home" and "shelter in place" is enforcement. I think they can legally enforce "shelter in place".
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Below is a direct quote from our President. More suicides than from the virus itself. POTUS needs to be honest while conveying strength from the Federal level versus all will be well by Easter and what a beautiful thing it will be. When Trump finally admits that shutdowns will expand how does he then retract his view that people will start to kill themselves. Tough to take Trump as an educated man. For those that I ask I was a loyal Republican until Trump came along. He is not a Republican and cannot be compared to Ronald Reagan. So today I am an independent.

"This is going away. We’re — we’re going to win the battle, but we also have — you know, you have tremendous responsibility. We have jobs, we have — people get tremendous anxiety and depression, and you have suicides over things like this when you have terrible economies. You have death. Probably and — I mean, definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about with regard to the virus."
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@ gillygirl :Taken from your article

"Baker drew a distinction between his orders and a mandated shelter-in-place, saying he did not believe that he "can or should order U.S. citizens to be confined to their homes for days on end."

{Not the same}

Massachusetts stay-at-home advisory FAQs

https://www.wwlp.com/news/massachuse...advisory-faqs/

VS:

Shelter in place” order, one of the more stringent measures available to authorities—save a full quarantine or lockdown—to compel residents to stay in their homes and limit movement.

More reading below
Shelter-in-Place and Stay-at-Home Orders: What They Mean
https://www.thecut.com/2020/03/what-...lace-mean.html
To me, it’s once again semantics. It’s a CYA move. Do you think the cops in a state that have a shelter in place order are pulling people over inquiring where they’re going?


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The original post is correct, we need a President who is presidential. Example: When asked what he would say to people who were scared about what is going on, his response was that it was a dirty question.

Wouldn’t it have been more effective to say something like: these are tough times but, we will get through it. America has a long and stellar history of coming thru when chips are down. Follow the directives from the doctors and the government and stay safe.

No, instead he has to make it about him! I’m sorry, the man may not be stupid but, he sure is an idiot!


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@ Phantom ..... Thank you, a good explanation using easy to follow wording.

So at the moment just a stay at home advisory.

Hopefully we will not get to a “Shelter In Place Order", one of the more stringent measures available to authorities.

Trust me when it gets to a "Shelter In Place order" ........ we will know it.

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People in New York were told to shelter in place. Instead they’re jumping on planes and flying down to Florida. Our governor(DeSantis) had asked Trump to stop incoming flights, but he refused. No one is even meeting these people as they land. Our governor has stated that we must assume that every flight has people carrying the coronavirus on it.
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gillygirl, respectfully there is a distinction - "Shelter in place" means generally, lock the doors & do not go out...…this is similar to when schools go into lockdown & the adjacent neighborhood goes into "shelter in Place"…...

"Stay at Home" advisory ( which Ma is under) is a means to get people from socializing, having "play dates" for theirs kids or still going into their offices when not considered essential or in the case of my Company (considered Essential) we have people who can just as easily be remote yet continue to go to the office ( which our HR is dealing with on a case by case basis).

Again, I work for a global firm -- Wuhan was in a "Shelter in Place"/ Lockdown - people were ONLY allowed to leave their homes for food - which in itself was/is scarce. I have 5 close business associates who are currently trapped in Wuhan due to the unfortunate timing of going home to see family at their New Years celebration and became trapped by the situation. Thankfully Wuhan has just recently lifted this restriction as they have "Flattened the curve" -- but I digress

My original post was NOT a political rant as some have so keenly pointed out -- I am just aghast that the Leader of this great Nation can neither speak coherently nor gives any semblance of "lead by example" Leadership when he & his staff ignore what they preach (Social distancing) and stating things that his own advisors refute on the same podium … "we will have this under control by Easter & our economy will be even greater than before"


It is at this point that I will do my best to stay on the sidelines of this thread -- I have vented and there are those who obviously see what I see ( again- not a Politics issue).
Thank you for your well thought out reply. I do understand the difference between the two, but feel that enforcement will make them much the same.

I am sorry to hear about your colleagues. Were any of them, or any of their family members, infected? My thoughts are with them. It must be a very hard thing to go through at the epicenter of the outbreak when no one knows what’s going on.

Sorry if I came off as angry. It’s been a hard five days dealing with millennial family members up north who post self-absorbed stuff while all this is going on. Needless to say, they are no longer on my feed.


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I am an independent as well (used to be an R before the party was highjacked years ago).
While I agree the President did act reasonably early to ban Chinese flights, that is about the only thing he did early. Everything else he has done has been weeks or months late or window dressing (invoking with great fanfare the Defense Production Act to direct companies to produce needed supplies and equipment for hospitals).
Recently I watched the movie the Darkest Hour about Winston Churchill's leadership during the critical period early in the WWII when Great Britain's very existence was in peril. He rallied his country to go to war against Germany against long odds. He spoke the hard truth to the British people, saying the road ahead would not be easy but in common sacrifice they would prevail. The movie is a powerful testament to leadership and truth telling in difficult times.
I could not help but wonder where we would be today if we had a president who took seriously the intelligence reports he had in January about the peril this virus posed to our country, the intellect to understand what needed to be done and the courage to speak the hard truth to prepare us for the war ahead.
We do not have any of these virtues in our president and we will pay dearly for that in the days, weeks and months ahead.
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I am an independent as well (used to be an R before the party was highjacked years ago).
While I agree the President did act reasonably early to ban Chinese flights, that is about the only thing he did early. Everything else he has done has been weeks or months late or window dressing (invoking with great fanfare the Defense Production Act to direct companies to produce needed supplies and equipment for hospitals).
Recently I watched the movie the Darkest Hour about Winston Churchill's leadership during the critical period early in the WWII when Great Britain's very existence was in peril. He rallied his country to go to war against Germany against long odds. He spoke the hard truth to the British people, saying the road ahead would not be easy but in common sacrifice they would prevail. The movie is a powerful testament to leadership and truth telling in difficult times.
I could not help but wonder where we would be today if we had a president who took seriously the intelligence reports he had in January about the peril this virus posed to our country, the intellect to understand what needed to be done and the courage to speak the hard truth to prepare us for the war ahead.
We do not have any of these virtues in our president and we will pay dearly for that in the days, weeks and months ahead.
Exactly. Being a leader, at the most basic level, is being willing to go first, and then bringing others along with you, into the unknown future.

It is difficult to imagine Clinton or Obama or Romney or McCain or Bush going as slowly and uncertainly on this as Trump has. They all would have been a couple of weeks or maybe a couple of months faster, and they all would have been castigated by many for their concern.
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Exactly. Being a leader, at the most basic level, is being willing to go first, and then bringing others along with you, into the unknown future.

It is difficult to imagine Clinton or Obama or Romney or McCain or Bush going as slowly and uncertainly on this as Trump has. They all would have been a couple of weeks or maybe a couple of months faster, and they all would have been castigated by many for their concern.
Difficult to imagine any US President handling this more poorly than the current POTUS is. His failures will without doubt result in more USA deaths then if he had reacted the way South Korea did. Test, test, test and then isolate. In our country you cannot get tested easily. Why? I am dumfounded by Trump. He for whatever reason cannot believe the real experts.
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Exactly. Being a leader, at the most basic level, is being willing to go first, and then bringing others along with you, into the unknown future.

It is difficult to imagine Clinton or Obama or Romney or McCain or Bush going as slowly and uncertainly on this as Trump has. They all would have been a couple of weeks or maybe a couple of months faster, and they all would have been castigated by many for their concern.
I've been reading but not chiming in. I've never been a fan of President Trump, not when he was a businessman, not when he was a reality TV star, and not now. He's a great salesman who has brilliantly used his charisma, business sense, lack of ethics, and understanding of tax laws to build great personal success and wealth (which I believe is lots, but not as much as he says it is. If it was, he would be flaunting those tax documents!).

He doesn't even come close to my definition of a leader. Everything he says and does is based on smoke and mirrors, on feeling good in the moment, on dividing rather than unifying, and most important, what is good for Donald Trump and everyone else be damned.

Of course many other, perhaps even most, politicians fit the same bill, but I am speaking of him and him alone here.

Not looking to debate the issue, just getting it off my chest!

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Trump nationally has a 60% approval today of his handling of this crisis, and that also includes independents. 49% overall approval now on overall as President. I bet most of these negative comments are from Massholes who moved up here.
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All you armchair "Commanders In Chief" ought to give it a rest already. Trump is working 24/7, has surrounded himself with the top medical experts, has come out EVERY DAY to talk to the press, yet he continues to get hammered and insulted by you forum experts, the media, liberals and everyone else that doesn't like him personally. If you remember, the last person that was perfect got crucified....

I can't even begin to imagine what state we would be in if Biden or Clinton were at the helm of a crisis 1/10 of what this is. That bumbling clown Biden can't even put a coherent sentence together, never mind manage a crisis.

The escapades we saw by Pelosi, Schumer and the rest of their ilk over the last few days is clear indication that they only care about themselves, and have no concern for people that are losing everything they've worked for. Thank GOD we have President Trump in charge of this, otherwise we would be past the point of no return (which is exactly what the left wants, while these same hacks still receive their paychecks). It's completely abhorrent.
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The escapades we saw by Pelosi, Schumer and the rest of their ilk over the last few days is clear indication that they only care about themselves, and have no concern for people that are losing everything they've worked for. Thank GOD we have President Trump in charge of this, otherwise we would be past the point of no return (which is exactly what the left wants, while these same hacks still receive their paychecks). It's completely abhorrent.
So the President and Congress agree to a plan that is remarkably reflective of typical Democratic programs and values, very similar to the Obama bailouts of 2009 (though hopefully with more safeguards against abuse this time). You take that as an opportunity to insult Democrats?

I wrote earlier that I supported both the Obama efforts in 2009 and these current subsidies. Did you like the Obama bailouts of the banks and auto companies? Do you like expanding social welfare programs as Trump just did? If you liked one but not the other, I can only conclude it's just politics and personalities, and that you'll say pretty much anything to support your side.
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For those interested in polls https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/
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So the President and Congress agree to a plan that is remarkably reflective of typical Democratic programs and values, very similar to the Obama bailouts of 2009 (though hopefully with more safeguards against abuse this time). You take that as an opportunity to insult Democrats?

I wrote earlier that I supported both the Obama efforts in 2009 and these current subsidies. Did you like the Obama bailouts of the banks and auto companies? Do you like expanding social welfare programs as Trump just did? If you liked one but not the other, I can only conclude it's just politics and personalities, and that you'll say pretty much anything to support your side.
Conclude whatever you want if it makes you feel better. All I'm saying is that the left ought to lay off the partisan garbage and insults, and offer some support to the President in a time of national crisis.
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I agree with you 100%! This should not be a partisan discussion. We need to all join together in support of the POTUS and knock off the disgusting and negative comments.
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I can't even begin to imagine what state we would be in if Biden or Clinton were at the helm of a crisis 1/10 of what this is. That bumbling clown Biden can't even put a coherent sentence together, never mind manage a crisis.

The escapades we saw by Pelosi, Schumer and the rest of their ilk over the last few days is clear indication that they only care about themselves, and have no concern for people that are losing everything they've worked for.
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I agree with your comments. They started out a few weeks ago by Pence as a national health update. It seems that they were then taken over by the President and have been repurposed. He directs all of the camera images. I also wondered why they are not practicing what they preach. I am guessing the medically trained personnel would rather maintain the separation if they had a choice.

Remember we are not facing a political crisis, we are facing a public health crisis.
Because they ALL have been tested and they were NEGATIVE for the Virus. You HATE PRESIDENT TRUMP so much and it shows. He could give you a Pound of Gold and you would complain it was too heavy. Don't read things you don't like. Your Choice, Just sayin !
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Major - this is false hope given in the face of all of the statistics and information that have been gleaned from professionals and other countries. Gov. Cuomo is pretty blunt, but I feel as if I am getting the truth from him as opposed to feelings and hunches.
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Major - this is false hope given in the face of all of the statistics and information that have been gleaned from professionals and other countries. Gov. Cuomo is pretty blunt, but I feel as if I am getting the truth from him as opposed to feelings and hunches.
There are lies, damn lies and statistics. Political hacks like Cuomo can tell us use farfetched numbers to justify that the sky is falling and we believe him, why? My point all along is that not that there is an issue, there is. (Even with the increasing numbers, we're a long way off from the as of now H1N1 virus.) My point is that the cure is not worth it. Destroying our global economy is far more harmful than the Chinese coronavirus. Anyway, it's moot now. The pinheads have won. It will be difficult to come back. Let's hope it's not impossible.

Once this has passed, I can't wait for all of the same people come out and put the nail in our collective coffin with the existential thread of climate change.
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There are lies, damn lies and statistics. Political hacks like Cuomo can tell us use farfetched numbers to justify that the sky is falling and we believe him, why? My point all along is that not that there is an issue, there is. (Even with the increasing numbers, we're a long way off from the as of now H1N1 virus.) My point is that the cure is not worth it. Destroying our global economy is far more harmful than the Chinese coronavirus. Anyway, it's moot now. The pinheads have won. It will be difficult to come back. Let's hope it's not impossible.

Once this has passed, I can't wait for all of the same people come out and put the nail in our collective coffin with the existential thread of climate change.
Seems that so far Gov Comos figures and charts have unfortunately proven to be true right up until noon today .
It’s nice to see that you have apparently volunteered to choose who will life and who will die so you can stay financially stable.
Whose Army were you a major in by the way . Asking for a sick friend
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There are lies, damn lies and statistics. Political hacks like Cuomo can tell us use farfetched numbers to justify that the sky is falling and we believe him, why? My point all along is that not that there is an issue, there is. (Even with the increasing numbers, we're a long way off from the as of now H1N1 virus.) My point is that the cure is not worth it. Destroying our global economy is far more harmful than the Chinese coronavirus. Anyway, it's moot now. The pinheads have won. It will be difficult to come back. Let's hope it's not impossible.

Once this has passed, I can't wait for all of the same people come out and put the nail in our collective coffin with the existential thread of climate change.
Everyone is lying except for you. It's all "fake news", according to you. There's plenty of lies coming from both sides to try and justify their own agenda.
I tend to believe people on the front lines. In this case, nurses, doctors, and people in the health care facilities.

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I know many will not read this because it comes from a source that has liberal leanings. But if you want some fact-based, non-emotional, views for the arguments on both sides of the discussion in this thread, this is a good read.

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There are lies, damn lies and statistics. Political hacks like Cuomo can tell us use farfetched numbers to justify that the sky is falling and we believe him, why? My point all along is that not that there is an issue, there is. (Even with the increasing numbers, we're a long way off from the as of now H1N1 virus.) My point is that the cure is not worth it. Destroying our global economy is far more harmful than the Chinese coronavirus. Anyway, it's moot now. The pinheads have won. It will be difficult to come back. Let's hope it's not impossible.

Once this has passed, I can't wait for all of the same people come out and put the nail in our collective coffin with the existential thread of climate change.
I can explain it to you, but I can not understand it for you. Especially since you have proven yourself impervious.
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The escapades we saw by Pelosi, Schumer and the rest of their ilk over the last few days is clear indication that they only care about themselves, and have no concern for people that are losing everything they've worked for. Thank GOD we have President Trump in charge of this, otherwise we would be past the point of no return (which is exactly what the left wants, while these same hacks still receive their paychecks). It's completely abhorrent.
So who is holding up the bill now? I know how to "cherry pick" too. Typical political posturing on both sides of the isle while the American public suffer.
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So who is holding up the bill now? I know how to "cherry pick" too. Typical political posturing on both sides of the isle while the American public suffer.
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Trump nationally has a 60% approval today of his handling of this crisis, and that also includes independents. 49% overall approval now on overall as President. I bet most of these negative comments are from Massholes who moved up here.
That 60% will go down fast, 220 more deaths today. If the term “Hoax” wasn’t Thrown around so much by Trump and Fox News more would have taken it serious earlier.. in his press conference today he was asked why Easter when his team feels that is too early and should be determined by data He answered saying he thinks people who say opening by Easter isn’t realistic are politically motivated and want economy to suffer?!
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People in New York were told to shelter in place. Instead they’re jumping on planes and flying down to Florida.
Our governor (DeSantis) had asked Trump to stop incoming flights, but he refused.
No one is even meeting these people as they land. Our governor has stated that we must assume that every flight has people carrying the coronavirus on it.
When President Trump stopped January flights from China, Prime Minister Trudeau allowed Chinese flights to land in Vancouver, B.C. Passengers then drove across the US border into Washington State.

On another topic, the US media has discovered the "Wuhan Virus didn't start in China".

https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2...anda-campaign/

As for Florida, one Florida County set up a roadblock. While Massachusetts troopers are asking eastbound traffic (having New York plates) where they are staying.

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Where did you read/hear the MA roadblock story? It was reported by USA Today that RI troopers are stopping NY played cars but, I haven’t heard anything about MA.


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Florida will open its [one] roadblock, starting Monday.

There was no MA "roadblock", but Rhode Island's against New York. (That I can find).

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There are lies, damn lies and statistics. Political hacks like Cuomo can tell us use farfetched numbers to justify that the sky is falling and we believe him, why? My point all along is that not that there is an issue, there is. (Even with the increasing numbers, we're a long way off from the as of now H1N1 virus.) My point is that the cure is not worth it. Destroying our global economy is far more harmful than the Chinese coronavirus. Anyway, it's moot now. The pinheads have won. It will be difficult to come back. Let's hope it's not impossible.

Once this has passed, I can't wait for all of the same people come out and put the nail in our collective coffin with the existential thread of climate change.
Here’s the latest as of Saturday night ...
So far, there have been 2,010 deaths reported across the country. The US reached 1,000 deaths on Thursday.
So death toll doubles in 48 hours. Let’s hope 2,010 doesn’t double over the next 48 hours. And this is with social distancing and “stay at home”. Imagine how many thousand of more Americans would be dead if we just ignored the issue and conducted “business as usual”.
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(1) Why is Social distancing practiced by everyone else (State & Local Gov't briefings, News Broadcasts, et al) yet each and every night 4-6 people cram on the podium to flank (elbow to elbow) the President of the United States during his briefing? Shouldn't the example start at the top ?

Well -- it seems someone on his Staff finally took note of the hypocrisy and advised Trump to change the structure of his nightly campaign speeches. Last night for the first time he practiced "social distancing" ………. that only took 14 days
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On Monday, March 29 while in NYC to welcome the Navy hospital ship Mercy, Trump made a visit to the Elmhurst Hospital in Queens, a hospital that has served his parents and siblings over the years. President Trump got to actually see close up the corpses in body bags stored in a basement hospital hallway and outside in a refrigerated freezer truck and it all sent a strong message to him.

Pres Trump said: "I've been watching that for the last week on television, body bags all over in hallways. I have been watching them bring in trailer trucks, freezer trucks because they can't handle the bodies. There are so many of them. This is essentially my community in Queens, New York. I have seen things that I have never seen before."

To read about it, google: 'Trump Extends Social Distancing Through End of April', NY Times-no subscription needed, Michael Schear, March 29 & 30.

Is that why he decided to self-impose the six foot distances for the photo, something not done before ...... go ask him?
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On Monday, March 29 while in NYC to welcome the Navy hospital ship Mercy, Trump made a visit to the Elmhurst Hospital in Queens, a hospital that has served his parents and siblings over the years. President Trump got to actually see close up the corpses in body bags stored in a basement hospital hallway and outside in a refrigerated freezer truck and it all sent a strong message to him.

Pres Trump said: "I've been watching that for the last week on television, body bags all over in hallways. I have been watching them bring in trailer trucks, freezer trucks because they can't handle the bodies. There are so many of them. This is essentially my community in Queens, New York. I have seen things that I have never seen before."

To read about it, google: 'Trump Extends Social Distancing Through End of April', NY Times-no subscription needed, Michael Schear, March 29 & 30.

Is that why he decided to self-impose the six foot distances for the photo, something not done before ...... go ask him?
There's nothing more powerful than seeing it up close and personal.
He also said that a childhood friend of his was in that hospital seriously ill with the virus.
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(1) Why is Social distancing practiced by everyone else (State & Local Gov't briefings, News Broadcasts, et al) yet each and every night 4-6 people cram on the podium to flank (elbow to elbow) the President of the United States during his briefing? Shouldn't the example start at the top ?

Well -- it seems someone on his Staff finally took note of the hypocrisy and advised Trump to change the structure of his nightly campaign speeches. Last night for the first time he practiced "social distancing" ………. that only took 14 days
Well, THAT DIDN’T Last —

Tonite (4/30) on his scheduled campaign speech VP Pence was at his side on the podium .......

So sad POTUS can’t lead by example.
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So far, there have been 2,010 deaths reported across the country. The US reached 1,000 deaths on Thursday.
So death toll doubles in 48 hours. Let’s hope 2,010 doesn’t double over the next 48 hours. And this is with social distancing and “stay at home”. Imagine how many thousand of more Americans would be dead if we just ignored the issue and conducted “business as usual”.
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As of 5pm today, There have been 770 new coronavirus deaths reported in the US on Tuesday alone, according to a count from CNN Health.

This is the most reported deaths in the United States in a single day since the coronavirus outbreak.

Maybe as many as 1000 by midnight, closing in on 4000 total, and that’s a quadruple from 1,000 to 4,000 since Thursday.

A Quadruple in five days, Imagine if “business a usual” and “it’s a hoax” was still happening? Oh, and let us not forget the folks a week ago who were talking about the common flu kills more a day than COVID 19.

Sorry for the rant. I still feel only half the country is taking this serious. And more people are dying because of it. We can recover from a recession, you can’t recover from dying.
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As of 5pm today, There have been 770 new coronavirus deaths reported in the US on Tuesday alone, according to a count from CNN Health.

This is the most reported deaths in the United States in a single day since the coronavirus outbreak.

Maybe as many as 1000 by midnight, closing in on 4000 total, and that’s a quadruple from 1,000 to 4,000 since Thursday.

A Quadruple in five days, Imagine if “business a usual” and “it’s a hoax” was still happening? Oh, and let us not forget the folks a week ago who were talking about the common flu kills more a day than COVID 19.

Sorry for the rant. I still feel only half the country is taking this serious. And more people are dying because of it. We can recover from a recession, you can’t recover from dying.
But here in NH, us on the Winni blog, are taken it seriously. Half the state is clean and NH has three hot spots and three deaths. We can’t and should not be expected to manage the rest of the country. Take care your house and family first.


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Half the state is clean? As in no positive test results, yes. But 50+ New cases in N.H. each day, we are a week or two behind MA. I remember on this blog 10 days ago people were saying we should relax because there were 10 positive tests and zero deaths in N.H.
my wife and kids and I have been taking it serious, some are just coming around now, and some won’t. The recession is inevitable, so the sooner everyone takes this serious the sooner we can start the recovery!
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But here in NH, us on the Winni blog, are taken it seriously. Half the state is clean and NH has three hot spots and three deaths. We can’t and should not be expected to manage the rest of the country. Take care your house and family first.


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When you opine repeatedly that we should not be shutting down the economy (in general), many of us believe that you are not taking this as seriously as you should.
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The shutdown was needed to prop up the healthcare system to handle what was ahead. I believe that has been accomplished to the best of everyone’s ability. With that said, this hunker in place has been positive. Would like to a soft opening at months end. Keep in mind we can’t treat every part of the state or country the same. NH should not be held up due to Boston’s problems and NY’s total failure. Let’s all remember, this is not going away and will reappear in the fall. By then, let’s pray we have a better handle on things


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The shutdown was needed to prop up the healthcare system to handle what was ahead. I believe that has been accomplished to the best of everyone’s ability. With that said, this hunker in place has been positive. Would like to a soft opening at months end. Keep in mind we can’t treat every part of the state or country the same. NH should not be held up due to Boston’s problems and NY’s total failure. Let’s all remember, this is not going away and will reappear in the fall. By then, let’s pray we have a better handle on things


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NH won’t “be held up by Boston’s problems”. NH will be held up by this Virus spreading through N.H.
We would all love a soft-opening ASAP. Random dates like Easter or Month-end are arbitrary. When infections and deaths are decelerating seems to be what we should all focus on. Once we see that, then let’s start picking dates.
with that said, I’d love that to be April 30! These weeks are going by so slowly!
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Default .... April 1, 1970 - 50 years ago

Well boys and girls, it was way back 50-years ago today, on April 1, 1970 when I can well recall the 2nd Vietnam draft lottery took place, and most important to me, I was in it.

Everyone knew all about it. The War in Vietnam and the newly created draft lottery was huge on the tv news, and in the newspapers and magazines.

So's on April 1, 1970, I got up early and got over to that Boston Herald vending box, just outside Guild's Drug at the corner of Fairfield and Newbury in Boston, slide one thin dime into the slot and started looking for my designated draft lottery number coming from the Selective Service down in Washington DC, or someplace.

Well hallelujah ..... it was in the low 300's .... what a huge relief ..... talk about hitting a big winner ..... supposedly, a draft number of 180 or higher was thought to be very safe.

You hit a lower number and it was April fool's .... welcome to the US Army infantry or even welcome to the US Marine Corps ..... so's it was a very big deal.

With the Covid-19 virus here in New Hampshire, or coming this way, it sure feels like it's another huge type of draft lottery, going on now. If that corona virus finds you, it sure seems like you is in for a long fight with life changing results. God forbid that you catch it, need to get hooked up to a ventilator, and live though it, alive. The damage to your lungs and body is still severe and a life changer for you.

This month of April will probably be a long, slow month ..... and a good time to stay at home and get things done that have previously gone undone, things like de-cluttering, cleaning, yard work, painting type of stuff ..... a positive sense of accomplishment ...... and staying healthy ..... for the duration.
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With the Covid-19 virus here in New Hampshire, or coming this way, it sure feels like it's another huge type of draft lottery, going on now. If that corona virus finds you, it sure seems like you is in for a long fight with life changing results. God forbid that you catch it, need to get hooked up to a ventilator, and live though it, alive. The damage to your lungs and body is still severe and a life changer for you.
Not to minimize the threat, but this post is unduly alarmist.

Most people who contract the virus come through it fairly easily; it is a small minority who do not.

It is not an automatic death sentence: did you confuse it with ebola?
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Well boys and girls, it was way back 50-years ago today, on April 1, 1970 when I can well recall the 2nd Vietnam draft lottery took place, and most important to me, I was in it.

Everyone knew all about it. The War in Vietnam and the newly created draft lottery was huge on the tv news, and in the newspapers and magazines.

So's on April 1, 1970, I got up early and got over to that Boston Herald vending box, just outside Guild's Drug at the corner of Fairfield and Newbury in Boston, slide one thin dime into the slot and started looking for my designated draft lottery number coming from the Selective Service down in Washington DC, or someplace.

Well hallelujah ..... it was in the low 300's .... what a huge relief ..... talk about hitting a big winner ..... supposedly, a draft number of 180 or higher was thought to be very safe.

You hit a lower number and it was April fool's .... welcome to the US Army infantry or even welcome to the US Marine Corps ..... so's it was a very big deal.

With the Covid-19 virus here in New Hampshire, or coming this way, it sure feels like it's another huge type of draft lottery, going on now. If that corona virus finds you, it sure seems like you is in for a long fight with life changing results. God forbid that you catch it, need to get hooked up to a ventilator, and live though it, alive. The damage to your lungs and body is still severe and a life changer for you.

This month of April will probably be a long, slow month ..... and a good time to stay at home and get things done that have previously gone undone, things like de-cluttering, cleaning, yard work, painting type of stuff ..... a positive sense of accomplishment ...... and staying healthy ..... for the duration.
I was in that same 1970 draft lottery (I thought I recognized you). However the lottery was on July 1, 1970 not April 1.

I was set to join the Army, but delayed signing till the lottery. I got #359 which means, no way I would be drafted, so I signed up for engineering in college instead.
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I was in that same 1970 draft lottery (I thought I recognized you). However the lottery was on July 1, 1970 not April 1.
I'm pretty danged sure that I'm correct with that April 1, 1970 date because my room mate at school also got a 300's number, he got #328, I got #302 and everyone on the dorm floor started calling us the 300-boys after the guy next room started in with it.

Can recall thinking it a bit weird that draft lottery day was on April fool's day.

Plus, I had a Hyannis, Cape Cod job as a lifeguard over the summer on July 1.

I dunno but April 1, 1970 has always been the day that stuck in my mind.

Your #359 is the highest I ever hear, even beating Donald Trump's #358 in the very first Vietnam draft lottery held on December 1, 1969. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us...ft-record.html

Last summer, Lowe's in Gilford would always ask me if I was a veteran, and I always said no, but I got out with a high draft lottery number and definitely deserved the discount, too. So maybe that's why Lowe's stopped asking everyone if they was a veteran? ..... are you a veteran? ...... hell no, we won't go! .... (widely heard anti-war yell from 1970)
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Hi Phantom. I'll bite. I have always enjoyed your posts, so take this in the spirit in which it is given.

My suspicion is that you are not really an independent. Given the tone of your post, it appears that you don't care for the evil orange man. That said, our great president's public approval has skyrocketed since this media-driven crisis. I do not think his political rivals thought this would be the outcome.

Any way, what do you expect the president to say -- "the sky is falling and we're all completely F'd? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro). He said it best, he is giving us hope. As a fan of the president, it has been his best moments as being presidential.

Just my two cents.
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928 deaths today
830 deaths yesterday
535 deaths Monday
456 deaths Sunday

212,000 cases on the U.S, and we still don’t have the # of tests promised last week, so we know the 212k is much higher.

Yet we heard these things in the days that mattered. The “early” days when not enough ways done.
Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at Feb 26 briefing
March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!” — Trump in a March 9 tweet.

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546 cases have gone to 220,000 in three weeks since his tweet.
How can you say this has been one of his best moments of his presidency. He continued to compare it to the flu a few weeks ago. There are many posts on this forum saying the same only a few days ago.
At least he “humbly” mentioned at a recent presser that he no longer thinks it’s like the common flu. Better late than never Mr. President.

And for what it’s worth, i’ve voted in every presidential election the past 24 years and Never voted for a Democratic. I only throw that in to say I don’t have a partisan bias against the Pres, but i’m very disappointed in the President’s handling of this, his reckless comments, and in general the lack of seriousness given to the issue by many in this country.

No more rants for me. Counting the days(two weeks) until our boat goes in the water! Be safe everyone.

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928 deaths today
830 deaths yesterday
535 deaths Monday
456 deaths Sunday

212,000 cases on the U.S, and we still don’t have the # of tests promised last week, so we know the 212k is much higher.

Yet we heard these things in the days that mattered. The “early” days when not enough ways done.
Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at Feb 26 briefing
March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!” — Trump in a March 9 tweet.

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546 cases have gone to 220,000 in three weeks since his tweet.
How can you say this has been one of his best moments of his presidency. He continued to compare it to the flu a few weeks ago. There are many posts on this forum saying the same only a few days ago.
At least he “humbly” mentioned at a recent presser that he no longer thinks it’s like the common flu. Better late than never Mr. President.

And for what it’s worth, i’ve voted in every presidential election the past 24 years and Never voted for a Democratic. I only throw that in to say I don’t have a partisan bias against the Pres, but i’m very disappointed in the President’s handling of this, his reckless comments, and in general the lack of seriousness given to the issue by many in this country.

No more rants for me. Counting the days(two weeks) until our boat goes in the water! Be safe everyone.
What was he to do? Require the wearing of masks? Ban domestic travel? Ban Mardi-Gras? Ban Spring-Break? Increase a sense of "national urgency"?

Maybe slow-walking this pandemic health crisis was the right thing to do? As it was, the only "panic-run" was on toilet paper.

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What was he to do? Require the wearing of masks? Ban domestic travel? Ban Mardi-Gras? Ban Spring-Break? Increase a sense of "national urgency"?

Maybe slow-walking this pandemic health crisis was the right thing to do? As it was, the only "panic-run" was on toilet paper.

It continues to surprise me that even as the data has come in some refuse to acknowledge that their earlier thinking was flawed.

Yes--Mardi Gras should have been banned--Google Louisiana coronavirus growth for more info

Yes--Spring Break should have been banned--Google University Of Texas at Austin for more info. But I will commend the most vocal of the revelers--the dope whose viral comment (I'm not going to let this stop me from partying) has at least apologized.
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Banning would have been met with mass-disobedience by the youthful "partiers" involved.

Thousands flocked to a Miami "Pride Event", even following WHO's international pandemic warning.

How would this have served overwhelming nationwide PANIC, with uncivil raids on food stores and hospitals?
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It continues to surprise me that even as the data has come in some refuse to acknowledge that their earlier thinking was flawed.

Yes--Mardi Gras should have been banned--Google Louisiana coronavirus growth for more info

Yes--Spring Break should have been banned--Google University Of Texas at Austin for more info. But I will commend the most vocal of the revelers--the dope whose viral comment (I'm not going to let this stop me from partying) has at least apologized.
OK, maybe it was. Now what? Do you feel better that someone said you might be right? Now, Do you think after you said all that about banning, that all the NY,MA,CT,RI people should have stayed in their state and not jeopardized the Population of New Hampshire? Another YES or NO question that YOU as a TRUMP HATER just can't seem to answer.
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I'm pretty danged sure that I'm correct with that April 1, 1970 date because my room mate at school also got a 300's number, he got #328, I got #302 and everyone on the dorm floor started calling us the 300-boys after the guy next room started in with it.

Can recall thinking it a bit weird that draft lottery day was on April fool's day.

Plus, I had a Hyannis, Cape Cod job as a lifeguard over the summer on July 1.

I dunno but April 1, 1970 has always been the day that stuck in my mind.

Your #359 is the highest I ever hear, even beating Donald Trump's #358 in the very first Vietnam draft lottery held on December 1, 1969. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us...ft-record.html

Last summer, Lowe's in Gilford would always ask me if I was a veteran, and I always said no, but I got out with a high draft lottery number and definitely deserved the discount, too. So maybe that's why Lowe's stopped asking everyone if they was a veteran? ..... are you a veteran? ...... hell no, we won't go! .... (widely heard anti-war yell from 1970)
Sorry - The lottery was July 1, 1970, not April 1. I was working at a children's camp in NH watching the lottery on the camp TV with my girlfriend. Camp is not open April 1.

More importantly, here is a link.

https://bobscaping.com/draft-lotteries

August 10 - #359
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