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07-29-2014, 02:34 PM | #1 |
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New Marine Patrol Headquarters
$7,800,000
More details: https://admin.state.nh.us/publicwork...20-2014.07.pdf
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WOW! All the MP bashers on this forum will LOVE this!
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not criticism yet:
why is a new facility even needed at this time? my honest question as I have never been to the facility
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Why now?
Prior to MP, Goodhue Boat Yard was on this site. It burned in the 50's (1957?) and Goodhue built this new building. They sold it to the State of NH some years later. The hangar style building behind it is even older. That may be part of the reference to acquiring adjacent land. In any event, the current HQ building is 65 years old, and I have heard it is settling a little more each year.
The state built a new courthouse in my town (2009-2010), anticipating a cost of $7MM, and expecting 2-3 bidders. They got 13 bids and closed the deal for about $4MM. Recession! Don't bash the numbers until they are firm. |
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The hanger style building was built by my dad and uncle back in 1950 for Goodhue. The materials were war surplus and was built to minimum standards. My uncle is surprise it is still standing!
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oh please.....do people really need to start the tax bs all over again. Residents vote and non residents do not vote in NH just like every other state in the US.
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Every none profit business/organization seems to have plenty of money to build what ever they want. Schools, churches, prisons, and now a mansion for the NH Marine Patrol.
Also have you ever been into some of these Insurance business buildings? Talk about plush and plenty of money spent on things like cafeterias, gyms, baby sitting rooms, etc. Why not cut our premiums and get rid of some of these luxuries. And who pays for all this CRAP... why you and I do. This country is out of control with spending tax payers money.
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But that has nothing to do with this thread.
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really? If you are a resident then you can voice your opinion by your vote and talking with your rep...and you should do so.
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What happened to all of those running for office that claim that they will cut waste, fraud, and abuse?
Ah . . . when it comes to the authorities . . . money seems to be no object. Are they asking for jail cells too? |
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Here is the scope of the work: "The scope of work includes working in all phases of design in coordination with an A/E Design Consultant and the State of New Hampshire. The scope of work includes construction of a new 26,000 SF facility, with on-site parking, which will include: office space for Marine Patrol (sworn/ civilian); secure booking area; storage facility; mechanics shop; ADA accessible boating education classrooms; boat registration and administration functions. The State is reviewing land acquisition options of adjacent properties for additional on-site parking. The life expectancy for this project is 50 years. The available funds for construction are $7,800,000.00."
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I am a non-resident, lakefront property owner, so I have no vote here. However, I believe this is needed and I support this move.
The present MP HQ facility does not support what is needed. We need a professional MP on the lake and I believe this is a step towards that end. R2B |
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How about more MP staff to get some of the boneheads during the tourist season.
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I don't know first hand but it's not hard to believe that the current facility is outdated and beyond renovation.
Still why do things like "office space for Marine Patrol (sworn/ civilian); secure booking area; storage facility; mechanics shop; ADA accessible boating education classrooms; boat registration and administration functions." need to be in a waterfront location? Why not just leave the boat shop and docks there and build or buy a plain vanilla office building on cheap Gilford or Laconia land. Return that lake front land to the people of NH. Either sell it to the town, a private interest or develop it for recreational use. |
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I don't know if they need a new building or not because I have never been inside it, but I know that all these gov. entities think they need the taj mahal. They don't care that the average joe has to work very hard for them to have their palaces. I know a lot of it is rules and regs, but I think they overdo a lot.
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If your boat was sinking, would you like to wait an extra 20 minutes for MP to get the call, get in their vehicle, drive the distance, get in the boat, then respond to your emergency call?
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Except when the weather is too dangerous, there are MP on the lake 24/7 during the season. But I mostly agree with you. The extra transit time from the station to the docks would mean less time on the water. The possibility for vandalism also exists when there aren't "eyes" in the area, even with cameras.
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The Dept. of Safety also has a large building nearby on Rt. 106. I've seen trailered MP boats there and assumed it was used for boat maintenance and storage. There also seems to be office space in the front.
Does anyone know more about how this building is used? https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4336...zELRdiTuQQ!2e0 |
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I can't imagine that ever being a problem, KPW. They will always have (and need) space ON the lake for the boats. It's just do they need an eight million dollar facility?
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There is no practical reason to build the clerical functions of the MP on the waterfront. Let's face it, the number one goal of government is to use taxes to buy votes. $7.8 million buys a lot of votes. |
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Nice building, any structural or civil drawings?
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Huge waste of money!
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I haven't seen plans for the new building but I can tell you that the current building is seriously compromised. There are structural cracks that have reached a point where walls are separating at corners. There are also launching and retrieval needs that must be addressed. So again, while I can't speak to what the new building will be, I can say they certainly cannot remain in the one that they have.
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Based on what I have read here and other places, I do not doubt that a new building is needed. I also wish the Marine Patrol could be more active on our lake and in general.
Having said that, $7+M seems like a lot of money. I've seen some pretty impressive homes built for $1M. What is driving the cost so high? |
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they building million dollar intricate homes, and yet this is an office type space with technology just like any other office building space
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The building isn't just used for office space. They service their own boats. I would wonder if there are costs associated with chemical containment / storage of costs associated with the demo and clean up of the old building. I also wonder if some of the cost might be related to purchasing adjacent land for parking.
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office type space and storage space but that is even less intricate
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Since it will be on 'the same site,' where will the MPHQ be situated during the work in progress?
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The life expectancy for this project is 50 years. The available funds for
construction are $7,800,000.00 Hmm 7.8M for 50 years comes out at a cool 156K per year, now that's a bargain |
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raise money
I say put in tolls on the exits in Merrimack to help pay for it
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Unfortunately, it is similar to the belief that if a town builds a bright new shiny school that the kids will be smarter because of it.
As PBFF stated, there is nothing we can do about it but embrace it. I have called marine patrol on occasion regarding the zippy wake makers and the typical response . . . "sorry maam, we just don't have the staff." Watching the boats just sit at the dock is as painful as looking at the mansions that aren't occupied. Quote:
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This is what I don't understand. If we don't have the money for enough officers how in the world can we afford an expensive new building.
Unfortunately, this happens a lot. We have a wonderful new building in a town but not enough staff. Which is more important? I know what is more important to me!! I have nothing against MP, I just wonder why they need to spend that much, just as I often wonder why the towns needs such extravagant buildings. As Mish says, a school doesn't make a kid smarter, the teachers could teach the kids outside and they would learn. It's not the building! |
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Well as I've been told, we don't have enough manpower. So lets build a $7.8 building that a few employees can run in. Makes no sense.
I hope it's pretty because I'll be looking at it. The couple who purchased that mobile home park and put up a private residence behind it are going to be in for a surprise. p.s. I'm surprised the industrial building is standing and that people actually store their boats there during the winter. Quote:
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New MP HQ
The Government at work. New building with a life expectancy of 50 years. Planned obsolescence before it is even built. There are private residences on the lake older and still functional and will be for more than 50 more years to come. The Government is the only disorganized entity with that proverbial MONEY TREE. These seems a bit extreme for a facility that functions from May to October. I wonder how the residents of Gilford feel about this project? Would the money be better spent incorporating it with Gilford PD or GFD and be used year round. I don't know but seems a waist for a seasonal entity.
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My guess is that most of you who post negative comments about your local government and who are quick to comment about how nothing is right with how your community leaders are doing things with "your money" have never volunteered for an advisory board or attended a public meeting. You spend more time on these forums spreading misinformation and poison than you've ever spent walking to your car and driving to community meetings. It should be a requirement that you attend at least one open meeting regarding anything at all related to how your government operates before you are allowed to post a remark.
Thank God for the men and women of the Marine Patrol and praise them for how well they operate with such a limited budget and let's hope the Coast Guard never gets jurisdiction of this lake. |
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No, it's not that simple--citizens in a democracy have a responsibility to participate in that democracy. Criticism without participation (and, I daresay, apathy) is the very antithesis of democracy.
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If people here have issues with the construction of a new MP headquarters, they are free to complain, but it's useless to the larger picture unless they're going to get involved. And uninvolved complainers are annoying. I think that was the original point. |
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I'm not confused at all. Free speech is a product of a functioning democracy. What you view as complaining is actually someone voicing his/her opinion. When I was on Town Meeting I got comments just like the one above from people in my precinct, especially during the annual town budget. I chose not to see them as "uninvolved complainers" but as tax paying townspeople with every right to their opinion. I would never discount feedback or an unsolicited opinion. Being able to listen to viewpoints other than mine is essential to the committees I am and have been on. |
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That price is peanuts to what some think their property on the lake is worth! This is easily fixed by increasing the taxes on all waterfront homes in NH... 40% increase and wha..la, paid for!
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Obviously, you don't own waterfront, one of the lets tax others for your own benefit crowd, uuuggggghhhh
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Yes, everyone has an opinion. But here are some things to ponder.
Since the existing building is old, and sinking, something has to be done. Some people have speculated about why the facility needs to be on the water. There are numerous reasons. 1. When a significant incident occurs on the lake (major boating accident, plane crash etc.) supervisors can leave their offices, jump in a boat, and respond immediately. 2. When there is an arrest the prisoner can be transported, booked, and held for court without involving other departments. 3. When a Marine Patrol officer has any mechanical issues with his assigned boat he can return to the office and change boats. 4. Marine Patrol officers reporting for their shift can start immediately rather than have to drive (on the payroll) to a different location to get in a boat. 5. Repairs to the boats can happen on site without a need to pull them out of the water to trailer them elsewhere, adding unnecessary expense. 6. Morale and professionalism will increase when they work out of a state of the art facility that they can be proud of. 7. Citizens will find it convenient to visit when any need arises. I know that has happened to me in the past when I got a warning for a burned out stern light and the ticket was written so that by appearing at the Marine Patrol office and showing the repair the citation was waived. I am sure that there are other reasons, but this facility needs to be built and the waterfront is the right place for it. |
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MP - practically never around!
I spent a lot of time on the lake this summer and hardly every saw the Marine Patrol out on the water. When I would go past the MP HQ .... all the boats sitting on the dock. I was cut off, passed too close just about every time I drove my boat around the Weirs/Meredith area... never MP around. They did stop over at Advent cove to "double check" that I was properly rafting my boat (I was).
Is their mission to show up at an accident and take a report? If that is the case, I don't think they need new HQ. |
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I didn't reread this entire thread, so I apologize if this is already in here. But.....
Is there a vacation planning board (of sorts) that may possibly have some insight as to future planning of the 'Lakes Region'. If future refurbishing of areas around the lake are in the works, it makes sense to have phase A be preparing the policing force first prior to larger crowds, and then trying to play catch up. Larger summer or winter events could play a role. I'm speculating, and hoping many areas that are complained about get the attention they need. I too, don't always agree with out of control tax dollar spending, so hoping this project improves the area is all I can hope for. |
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Just a clarification for anyone thinking their tax dollars are paying for the new Marine Patrol building. According to the Governor and Council approval, funding is from the Navigational Safety Fund. This fund is made up from registration fees from boats that must be registered. While some of you will say it is still the taxpayer that carries the burden...I agree, but only if you register a boat.
Interesting fact...this fund is a revolving, dedicated fund that had a several million dollar balance under Dave Barrett who worked to save for the purpose of a new building. Then along came Speaker Bill O'Brien and his followers who took the funds and applied it to the general fund as revenues. So...if you want to talk about unfair taxes...did you know the boaters paid an unfair amount to the general fund that others didn't have to? Just some facts to consider. |
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Although I am in favor of a new facility for the MP, I am curious if anyone here knows what the impact or lack thereof will be for those who put in at the town docks while the project is underway?
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Artist Rendition of new building
http://thecitizen.villagesoup.com/p/...-ahead/1299132
The Architects are from Ashland also design the 'Twins'. The two rest stops off I-93 in Bow.
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From the meeting I was in, there should be little to no impact at the town docks, that may have changed from 3 months ago, but the state is being very conscious of the summer time residents. Again that was 3 months ago at the meeting. They also wanted demo and pile/sheet driving done before residents started arriving for the spring/summer however I can tell you for a fact demo will not be starting when they originally wanted it to, due delays with the paper work end of it.....hope this helps
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Hmm
7:20 am on a Saturday starts off the demolition
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.....nothing is happening?
As of today, Sunday, May 31, there's no signs of any construction activity at the old MP-HQ on the waterfront at the Glendale Docks. No construction vehicles, no signs, no materials, no orange cones, no construction fencing, NO NOTHING, and the nearby Glendale Marina which was sold for 1.1-mil for the expanded footprint under the new MP-HQ structure is still operating as a marina business.
I smell the Republican controlled state legislature at work here! After all, they are the 'Party of No' who always finds a way to vote no, do nothing, and just let the state roads, state parks, and state buildings continue to deteriorate and crumble. They like to vote no, so's I smell them 'publicans at work here when absolutely no MP-HQ construction has yet to be happening here.
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Something . . .
was definitely happening there yesterday morning.
And blaming the Republicans for a slowdown in construction FLL for something that is moving forward is quite ridiculous. The state got there $11.1M for this "improvement" as the sky is falling (or rather, the building is sinking), or is it "we want more, and shiny too"?
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What I saw today, Sunday, May 31, at the MP-HQ building was no signs of the expected demolition, or construction; nothing to suggest a demolition-construction project is soon to happen there based on what is there, at this time.
As the saying goes, seeing it is believing it! Maybe this will change starting tomorrow on June 1, but only time will tell? As already mentioned, the NH-Republican controlled legislature likes to say no because it costs too much, and that NH has a spending problem as opposed to a taxing problem.
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Nothing will happen until after July 1st. That is when all boats are required to be out of Glendale Marine. Once that occurs, demolition should begin...
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I for one . . .
am not looking forward to all the noise. I hope they start working at a decent hour. Guessing mornings on the deck will not be serene this year. And, progress.
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How about the MP boats?
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Most likely, the docks and patrol boats will remain in use during the demolition-construction that is supposedly scheduled to start on June 15.
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