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Old 09-12-2016, 06:32 AM   #1
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Has anyone had experience with the heat cables used to prevent pipes from freezing. I have a new crawl space under my cottage, the water service pipe runs up from the floor and runs across the ceiling and up into house. I looked on line and saw home depot sells a cable ( frost Line) that one runs along pipe has a thermostat attached that will keep pipes from freezing. It will be our first winter in our newly renovated cottage and want to be prepared.
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Old 09-12-2016, 08:45 AM   #2
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I don't have experience with the particular system you mentioned. But we just went through this general process a year ago. A very important secondary issue is to make sure you have a separate thermostat connected to an alarm that will call your cell phone in case the temperature of the pipe in question falls to near freezing. All systems will fail at some point, and you'll want to know ASAP when yours does.
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Old 09-12-2016, 09:42 AM   #3
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What he said. ^^^

Heat tapes have been around for many years and generally work pretty well, unless the power goes out. Best bet is to drain the exposed part of the pipe.
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Old 09-12-2016, 10:31 AM   #4
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I have used heating cables, they work very well.

Be careful to read and follow the instructions faithfully. There may be important instructions like not passing the cable over itself or not using insulation over the heat cable. Both would involve getting the cable to hot.
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Old 09-12-2016, 03:10 PM   #5
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No way I would chance it. Not that what you are thinking won't work, it's a question of whether or not you will have guaranteed power.

Three years ago I took my first trip out to my place over the ice, got the camp, no power. Called the COOP to report power was out. They already knew about it and their response to me was they will under no circumstances send a crew out to restore the power until the ice is at least 12" thick. Ok fair enough - now I had no idea how long the power had been off for and I know for a fact they did not come out for another two weeks to get things back up and running. Ample time for any pipes to freeze.
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install all piping to pitch towards the drain spot and drain system. Safest system. Toilet can be used from a hole in the ice and then drained and Vacuum out with a wet/dry vac. Has worked for 35 years> JMO or suggestion!
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thanks for the input, what is the brand of thermostats that will send me a text or alarm when temp falls below safe levels, we are on the mainland and have wifi, agree everything will work with power, but to be safe in maybe worth draining water in crawlspace when not there, the street shutoff is just outside front door, so I can put a pail on it to get to to turn back on even with snow cover.
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Old 09-13-2016, 03:47 AM   #8
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Nest is the most well known, but I have had great luck with Honeywell.
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thanks for the input, what is the brand of thermostats that will send me a text or alarm when temp falls below safe levels, we are on the mainland and have wifi, agree everything will work with power, but to be safe in maybe worth draining water in crawlspace when not there, the street shutoff is just outside front door, so I can put a pail on it to get to to turn back on even with snow cover.
If you have a forced hot air system in the crawlspace you should cut a hole in one of the ducts so hot air is able to escape and really warm up the crawl space.

The only problem with nest and some of the other systems is they operate through the internet and in the Lakes Region their are lots of power outages that knock out cable from time to time.
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In our old camp, we used a Freeze Alarm.

http://www.controlproductsonline.com...p-17-l-en.html

This device operates on AC, but has a 9 volt battery backup (and you can use 6 D cells to get a longer battery life). It does require a landline to operate. This will not sense the temperature of a water line but could be used to monitor the temperature in the crawl space. It also notifies you if the power is out or if the battery is low and you can call into the device to get this information.
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Old 09-13-2016, 11:44 AM   #11
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I would go for it, use the heat tape and see how it goes. I assume your intention is to use the home during the winter, so if the pipe freezes you should find it before there is major leakage, plus it's in a crawl space so I assume damage would be minimal from a leak. I would take the risk.
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Old 09-14-2016, 08:56 AM   #12
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We have guest quarters where the waterline goes through the very open crawl space. Have never had an issue with the basic electric tapes. Be sure to check for any tiny holes/gaps in the surrounding walls where cold air might blow on the water line in a concentrated spot.

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