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10-23-2006, 12:14 PM | #1 | |
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Battle of the boat dollars; State vs Local
I just got a letter from the NH Dept of Safety dated Oct 18. Looks like they are trying to get boaters to deal directly with them. An effective way to do it especially for out of state boaters.
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10-23-2006, 12:48 PM | #2 |
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Budget challenged Marine Patrol sends how many thousands of letters to all registered boat owners at what cost? Seems odd to me.
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10-23-2006, 06:48 PM | #3 |
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It's an inexpensive way to appeal directly to the boaters.
If it were me I think I'd make it clearer that it is a convenient way to pre-register your boat for next season and that all the money collected goes to fund the Marine Patrol, then get into the things MP do. All in all very cost effective way to increase their "take" and only reaches the folks they want to reach. Boaters in NH. I wonder if they sent these letters out to all people with boats registered in NH or if they targeted out of state owners? |
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My primary residence is out of state, but the boat is at my secondary residence in state. I received a copy of the letter too. So, they sent it to everyone registered in NH.
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10-24-2006, 07:05 PM | #6 |
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I got my new renewel form in the mail, I live in CT and I did not get a letter.
But I can see why, cause most that live out of state will more than likely send to Concord anyway. I am not the landowner in NH, so I will ask my dad what he got. Dad is in Florida and he did not get one. But he did get his renewel notice before he left on the 14th of Oct. |
10-24-2006, 07:14 PM | #7 |
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Boat reg.
Got mine (Conn.) 2 weeks ago. Gonna send it in, rather than register at Heath's like I usually do.
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10-24-2006, 08:03 PM | #8 |
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letter from stste of NH
got my letter along with regestration two weeks ago
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Got mine in the mail yesterday, October 24th.
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10-25-2006, 02:52 PM | #10 | |
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Section 72-A:4 72-A:4 Collection. – The boat fee shall be collected as follows: I. For boats which are required to be registered with the department of safety under the provisions of RSA 270-E, the fee shall be paid prior to, or at the time of, registration. The fee may be paid to: (a) An agent of the department of safety duly authorized to issue boat registrations under RSA 270-E. These agents shall furnish a surety bond as required in RSA 41:6; (b) The town or city clerk, or tax collector in the place where the boat is registered; or (c) The department of safety. II. For boats which are exempt from the department of safety registration, the fee shall be paid to the town or city clerk, or tax collector as provided in RSA 72-A:8. III. In addition to the fee set in RSA 72-A:3, $1 shall be paid to cover the cost of collection. When the fee is collected by a clerk, tax collector, or authorized agent, he or she shall retain the $1 as compensation. When the fee is collected by the department of safety, the fee shall be deposited in the navigation safety fund established under RSA 270-E:6-a. Source. 1978, 12:1. 1979, 462:1. 1981, 323:4. 1988, 198:8. 1990, 229:5 1999, 193:2, eff. July 1, 1999. Section 72-A:5 72-A:5 Town Treasurer. – I. Every clerk, tax collector, and authorized agent shall each week send all boat fees collected to his town or city treasurer. Except as provided in paragraph II, boat fees shall be for the general use of the town or city. II. When the boat fee is collected by the department of safety, the fee shall be deposited in the navigation safety fund established under RSA 270-E:6-a. Source. 1978, 12:1. 1979, 484:3. 1981, 323:4. 1988, 198:3. 1990, 229:6. 1999, 193:3, eff. July 1, 1999. The Navigation Safety Fund mentioned above is defined here: TITLE XXII NAVIGATION; HARBORS; COAST SURVEY CHAPTER 270-E VESSEL REGISTRATION AND NUMBERING Section 270-E:6-a 270-E:6-a Navigation Safety Fund. – There is established the navigation safety fund which shall be nonlapsing and continually appropriated to the department of safety, division of safety services. The state treasurer may invest moneys in the fund as provided by law and all interest received on such investment shall be credited to the fund. The fund shall only be used to promote the safety of navigation and the administration and enforcement of RSA 270, RSA 270-B, RSA 270-D, and RSA 270-E. Source. 1999, 193:8, eff. July 1, 1999. I apologize if my previous error caused any confusion! Thanks Airwaves..... Skip |
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10-26-2006, 10:48 AM | #12 |
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I got my stack of renewals as well as the letter yesterday.
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The truth is that the Smith Cove area property owners are substantially contributing to the cost of the milfoil removal effort and not through their property taxes; but above and beyond. Related links: http://www.gilfordnh.org/Public_Docu...FFCA4-009FFCB5 http://gilfordgrok.com/blog2/2006/07...ulling_wh.html http://www.nhinsider.com/nhictn/2006...n-milfoil.html http://www.des.state.nh.us/WMB/exoti...005_Report.pdf
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If there are costs associated with being a lakefront community, there is also a whale of a lot of extra revenue generated by horrendous lakefront property taxes with little in the way of services being provided in return.
That said, I've always gone out of my way to see to it that Meredith gets their portion of my boat registration fee, because to my mind they go out of their way to provide extra services for the boating community. I'll likely do so again this season. It also strikes me that, if the income from boat registrations is important enough for the politicians to squabble over , and, since we boaters can decide who gets the money , it would be a way for us to express our appreciation to towns or organizations (i.e., the MP) that treat us well and lack of appreciation for those that don't. Anybody interested in a discussion concerning who's been naughty and nice? Silver Duck |
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I have to tell ya,
After reading the Laconia Citizen article linked above there is no way in the world I would given Gilford an extra dollar! I pay an incredible amount of money in RE taxes to Gilford every year, I do NOT place a drain on the town, I don't live there, I don't have chidren going to the schools, I don't even get plowed out by the town during the winter! So...What happens to my money? It goes go pay for the things in town that that "townies" don't have to pay for! I pay nearly $5,000 in property tax to Gilford, They are complaining about an exrta $48 that would go to fund the Marine Patrol? I think you know what the next two words that I have to say to the Town of Gilford are. .... ... |
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After raeding an article in the online NH Union Leader, it would seem that an Executive Councilor needs to read skip's post dated 10-25-2006 03:52 PM.
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If the community where you keep your boat actually funds facilities and/or programs that benefit the boating public, such as town docks, fire boats or milfoil prevention/eradication, then they deserve your consideration. If they don't, and the money is just another source of revenue for the general coffers, I'd frankly rather see it go to the State where it will be dedicated to the Marine Patrol. |
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Play & Pay!
This is an excellent opportunity for the 'average Joe' to financially express his opinion. Now, if we could only have local, state, and federal fees/taxes work the same way!
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During the "Great Speed Limit Debate" we all pretty much agreed the MP needed better funding. I had no idea that my boat registration $$$ were going into the towns general fund. I will send my registration to the state... to better fund the MP!
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10-27-2006, 06:18 PM | #20 |
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MP funds
Big argument over Marine Patrol funds, education (boating) has happened on this forum in the last two years. Yes the towns have or at least some of them have public docks and launches and I along with my family appreciate that. But we need the marine patrol to be funded more to serve and protect the boating world. I recall the state saying they are not giving them additional funding, I doubt if the cities or towns provide them with any funds, but expect them to do a job.
I got my registration paperwork a couple weeks ago I guess and today I got the letter. As an out of stater I will be sending my fee to the state so that the Marine Patrol will get at least a slice of my dollar. |
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It would be nice to see a specific plan
I want the Marine Patrol to be better funded but it would be nice to get a specific plan, i.e. "We will add 4 boats and 10 officers next year with a focus on X, Y, and Z programs and enforcement. To fund this we will need $XXX and will increase registration cost by $NN." My registration costs around $60. I would happily pay an additional $5 if that would go directly to the Marine patrol for targeted improvements. That would net about $500,000 (100,000 registered boaters) which I think would nicely fund significant improvements. Why is this so hard and why do we need to play these games, pitting state against town?
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How many boats are in the Marine Patrol fleet and how many are on Winnipesaukee vs the rest of the state?
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I see no need of patrol boats larger that that black moriah with two outboards on the stern. The two big boats use a few people on board to operate it, and use a hell of a lot of fuel and I doubt if they could catch a boat in a chase. I think they should sell them boats (ON THE OCEAN) and use smaller crafts on the lake that are not costing so much.
Someone said that they would gladly send in an additional $5.00 to help fund the Marine patrol. That is good, why not do it and see just what happens! |
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Another article
Here's a link to an article that I haven't seen yet. This whole thing is very interesting. I've seen the ways many, many towns spend money (a minor example: cobblestone crosswalks....huh?) and I bet dollar for dollar we'd get ALOT more for our money by directing it to Marine Patrol than to any town. I will say though I'm glad it's me who will be making the decision about my boat reg. bucks.
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Very Interesting
I just sent my registration(s) directly in to the state. I think that the money is much better spent directed to boater's services (such as Marine Patrol). Having boater's fees directly subsidize a town's tax base is very much off target. IMHO
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Maybe you misunderstood?
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They are utility boats. They are designed for heavy weather. They are designed to take the prop wash from a USCG or Medical helicopter. So, if you are in trouble on Lake Winnipesaukee, the past few days are a good example, do you want an 18 foot Sears aluminum boat with an outboard trying to rescue you? Or maybe a 25' boat that Marine Patrol might have on hand, or whatever else may be available? Do you want a vessel with a crew on board that is designed for heavy weather and rescue operations headed out onto the lake to save your ass? I know that many folks on Winnipesaukee have labeled the former CG boats "Battleships" but when the weather is bad those "Battleships" can and will save your life and the lives of your loved ones. Or I can lend them an 8' rowboat. |
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I had not thought too much about that, I have seen one of these boats out on patrol during the day. And then on the 4th of July firworks out of Alton Bay they put that large craft at echo point and the stern was not lite up it was on the bridge and we came much too close. 50% of that dark boat could not be seen at night. I have no idea if they corrected that or not.
It has its uses I will grant that, but I think it is too big. And when they had the steel crafts in the 50's the towns had their police boats out patroling. Mr. Cates did Alton Bay and knew where everyone was. and he had a 15' starcraft with an evinrude on it I believe. I could be wrong, but he knew what I had. |
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I believe the "Battleships" are 41 or 44 footers, certainly not the largest vessels on the lake by a long shot.
As for the stern light I don't know the answer to that one off the top of my head. I think it needs to be on the stern because there is an all around white light required on the masthead so if that is the only white light you saw then you might want to point that out to them, but I am not certain without looking up the regs on that size boat. http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...ze=big&cat=502 Times have certainly changed since Mr Cates patroled Alton Bay, the islands are more populated for one not to mention the increase in the use of the lake. There is a lot to be said about having officiers assigned to specific areas of the lake getting to know residents but that goes to the staffing issue again. |
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Was it the Anchor light you saw?
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I looked up the lighting rules for both NH and the CG to see if the stern light has to be on the stern. This is what I found. Quote:
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airwaves I won't disagree, however with traffic flow coming out of Alton Bay after the fireworks, and that boat stopped (I doubt if at anchor) without stern lights on, just a mast head, he was a hazzard to navigation. It was like having an additional 40-45' of land off 20" or so of shore aimed at the other shore. It was dangerous and should have stern lights on.
They were not out their doing bouy replacements as some of the older steel ships would do during the day. By the way I think I saw one of those steelcrafts going into Paugus Bay on the 14th of Oct. |
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There really isn't a disagreement on my end. You where there I wasn't.
I'm just wondering if what you saw might have been the anchor light. The photos I've seen of the 41' boat on the forum aren't clear eough or close enough for me to spot a stern light. |
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