Hired help problems already!

[Hillcountry]

Got an email from Winni Marine the other day saying whomever signed up for a “Spring cleaning service” which was on their “menu” of services, would NOT be getting that service. Their email said even though they had aggressively, advertised on many local ad venues, they could not hire anyone to perform the service!
They said they even looked into hiring local detailing businesses but they were already “over extended” but going forward they would still pursue adding the cleaning service to their list.
As of now, they will perform a complimentary, rinse off of winter dust but would not be removing covers, etc.
I have no problem with this as we don’t mind cleaning our toon ourselves.
Too many jobs available in our booming economy!

[joey2665]

Real employment test will be if the local restaurants fill all their positions. This is the good and the bad of the current economy and job market

[MAXUM]

I pass by a McD's on my way to work down in MA and there is a sign in the front lawn - hiring all shifts, F/T starting at $14 per hour.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I pass by a McD's on my way to work down in MA and there is a sign in the front lawn - hiring all shifts, F/T starting at $14 per hour.

Wow! What kid (or retiree) would not be happy with that starting pay?

[TiltonBB]

The Laconia McDonalds has help wanted signs out but the starting pay is "up to $10 per hour"

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

The Laconia McDonalds has help wanted signs out but the starting pay is "up to $10 per hour"

I wouldn't eat at McDonalds if you paid me $10 an hour. Sorry but their food is horrible. About the only thing I get at McDonalds is a coffee at the drive through and sometimes that's horrible.

[Trail Goer]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Wow! What kid (or retiree) would not be happy with that starting pay?

It's ridiculous, that's why the food at Mc D's is so expensive. I go to NYC every Saturday, sometimes I stop and get breakfast before heading out and I just shake my head at how dumb I am to spend $10+ on a breakfast sandwich or two and cup of coffee. Then again I driver to NYC every Saturday for work, so I'm all kinds of dumb

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Trail Goer

It's ridiculous, that's why the food at Mc D's is so expensive. I go to NYC every Saturday, sometimes I stop and get breakfast before heading out and I just shake my head at how dumb I am to spend $10+ on a breakfast sandwich or two and cup of coffee. Then again I driver to NYC every Saturday for work, so I'm all kinds of dumb

Better off going to a deli and getting a double egg bacon cheese on a roll. Its cheaper, delicious and a free coffee or oj to boot.

[gilfordboater]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Wow! What kid (or retiree) would not be happy with that starting pay?

A retiree that is forced to go back to work due to poor planning or other circumstances would not be happy.

[Dave R]

There's an incredibly simple and obvious solution. There are literally thousands of people arriving to the US border every week looking for a better life and willing to do hard manual labor for reasonable salary. Maybe instead of paying to keep them in detention centers, they could get temporary work visas and add to the economy rather than subtract from it. If they prove to be adding to society over time, give them permanent resident status and let them apply for citizenship, if not send them home. It's astounding to me that this is not happening right now.

Please don't make this political, it's simply pragmatic and I think a necessary step to keep the economy booming longer. If we don't add to the work force, inflation is going to be a problem soon and that will slow the economy.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Dave R

There's an incredibly simple and obvious solution. There are literally thousands of people arriving to the US border every week looking for a better life and willing to do hard manual labor for reasonable salary. Maybe instead of paying to keep them in detention centers, they could get temporary work visas and add to the economy rather than subtract from it. If they prove to be adding to society over time, give them permanent resident status and let them apply for citizenship, if not send them home. It's astounding to me that this is not happening right now.

Please don't make this political, it's simply pragmatic and I think a necessary step to keep the economy booming longer. If we don't add to the work force, inflation is going to be a problem soon and that will slow the economy.

With the massive, amounts of illegals being released into the country right now, this probably will be happening!

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by Dave R

There's an incredibly simple and obvious solution. There are literally thousands of people arriving to the US border every week looking for a better life and willing to do hard manual labor for reasonable salary. Maybe instead of paying to keep them in detention centers, they could get temporary work visas and add to the economy rather than subtract from it. If they prove to be adding to society over time, give them permanent resident status and let them apply for citizenship, if not send them home. It's astounding to me that this is not happening right now.

Please don't make this political, it's simply pragmatic and I think a necessary step to keep the economy booming longer. If we don't add to the work force, inflation is going to be a problem soon and that will slow the economy.

I find it ironic that you make a political post of a highly controversial nature, than ask other to not make it political.

[SAMIAM]

This is the worst seasonal staffing crisis I've seen in 40 years.
There are thousands of jobs out there and hardly anyone applying.
Job fairs and ads are bringing very few results.
It's getting to be a bidding war out there and many business' have resorted to trying to steal employees from competitors.
At least it proves my point that a minimum wage means nothing. It is supply and demand that determines wages as well as prices.

[Outdoorsman]

This is a rather lengthy article but it does have relevancy to the Lakes Region.

Because this paper does have a pay wall I have copied it in its entirety.

{removed because of copyright concerns}

https://www.concordmonitor.com/kiwan...rd-nh-25139115

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

This is a rather lengthy article but it does have relevancy to the Lakes Region.

Because this paper does have a pay wall I have copied it in its entirety.

If you owned a business that relied on revenue from products that you created and sold, would you be ok with someone buying one of your products and then making copies and having them available for free for an unlimited number of people? Yeah, I didn't think so.

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by TMI Guy

If you owned a business that relied on revenue from products that you created and sold, would you be ok with someone buying one of your products and then making copies and having them available for free for an unlimited number of people? Yeah, I didn't think so.

The library has been doing just that for DECADES. They attach the news paper to a stick to ensure it remains in the building for an unlimited number of people to read.

The paper that I quoted above offers a limited number of free articles on the website so I didn't even pay for the one I posted.

Thanks for the laugh though.

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

The library has been doing just that for DECADES. They attach the news paper to a stick to ensure it remains in the building for an unlimited number of people to read.

The paper that I quoted above offers a limited number of free articles on the website so I didn't even pay for the one I posted.

Thanks for the laugh though.

You can try to rationalize this however you want. It's still the theft of intellectual property.

[webmaster]

Originally Posted by TMI Guy

If you owned a business that relied on revenue from products that you created and sold, would you be ok with someone buying one of your products and then making copies and having them available for free for an unlimited number of people? Yeah, I didn't think so.

There is an aspect of copyright law called "Fair Use":

Pursuant to 17 U.S. Code § 107, certain uses of copyrighted material "for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright."

If you want to discuss copyright laws further please do it on the Support Forum or in a new thread. Please don't hijack this thread.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

I find it ironic that you make a political post of a highly controversial nature, than ask other to not make it political.

It's only political if you see it that way. Look at it from a practical point of view.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Dave R

It's only political if you see it that way. Look at it from a practical point of view.

From a practical point of view it's called exploitation.

It's purposely suppressing wages by importing millions of unskilled non-citizen workers that will work for peanuts out of desperation all in the interest of keeping inflation in check. Interesting concept.... rather ironic from the same people that rail about upping the minimum wage to a "living wage" which would not drive up inflation?!? I'm no economics guru but something doesn't add up.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

From a practical point of view it's called exploitation.

It's purposely suppressing wages by importing millions of unskilled non-citizen workers that will work for peanuts out of desperation all in the interest of keeping inflation in check. Interesting concept.... rather ironic from the same people that rail about upping the minimum wage to a "living wage" which would not drive up inflation?!? I'm no economics guru but something doesn't add up.

I don't think the reason is to keep inflation in check, it's more about keeping business thriving which in turn keeps the economy humming along. At some point the labor shortage will have a negative effect on the economy.

[Irish mist]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

From a practical point of view it's called exploitation.

It's purposely suppressing wages by importing millions of unskilled non-citizen workers that will work for peanuts out of desperation all in the interest of keeping inflation in check. Interesting concept.... rather ironic from the same people that rail about upping the minimum wage to a "living wage" which would not drive up inflation?!? I'm no economics guru but something doesn't add up.

Both political parties LOVE their wage-slaves from overseas.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

From a practical point of view it's called exploitation.

It's purposely suppressing wages by importing millions of unskilled non-citizen workers that will work for peanuts out of desperation all in the interest of keeping inflation in check. Interesting concept.... rather ironic from the same people that rail about upping the minimum wage to a "living wage" which would not drive up inflation?!? I'm no economics guru but something doesn't add up.

It's definitely exploitation, but the practical kind, not the unfair kind. I'm confident that these folks would rather detail boats for 15 bucks an hour instead of sitting in a detention center doing nothing, earning nothing and adding nothing to society. What you see as the negative form of exploitation, they would see as a great opportunity.

If it were up to me, jobs would be posted and when they are not filled by US citizens after X number of weeks, they would be offered to folks in detention centers that are waiting for asylum hearings. If they do good work and stay employed, everybody wins. If they can't seem to hold a job after a few tries, we send them home and know that we dodged a bullet. It's not the kindest way to do it, but it's practical and vastly more humane than what's happening now. It would also boost the economy by keeping the most productive people here and working.

I also don't think the solution is to pay high-skill wages to highly-skilled laborers to do unskilled work. That does not add up.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by Dave R

There's an incredibly simple and obvious solution. There are literally thousands of people arriving to the US border every week looking for a better life and willing to do hard manual labor for reasonable salary. Maybe instead of paying to keep them in detention centers, they could get temporary work visas and add to the economy rather than subtract from it. If they prove to be adding to society over time, give them permanent resident status and let them apply for citizenship, if not send them home. It's astounding to me that this is not happening right now.

Please don't make this political, it's simply pragmatic and I think a necessary step to keep the economy booming longer. If we don't add to the work force, inflation is going to be a problem soon and that will slow the economy.

I am not trying to make this political.... But instead of worrying about the immigrants waiting at the boarder, how about makeing those that are collecting unemployment, or welfare take these positions at least on a part time basis. while there are supposed to be looking for work.

Just because jobs seem plentiful, don't believe that there aren't people still out there playing the system. Don't believe that there aren't people available with the ability to work...

I could go on and on, but I will not.... I will simply say the solution is available, and it has nothing to do with immigration... it has to do with reforming unemployment, and walfare systems... so that it isn't a "money for free" operation...

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

I am not trying to make this political.... But instead of worrying about the immigrants waiting at the boarder, how about makeing those that are collecting unemployment, or welfare take these positions at least on a part time basis. while there are supposed to be looking for work.

Just because jobs seem plentiful, don't believe that there aren't people still out there playing the system. Don't believe that there aren't people available with the ability to work...

I could go on and on, but I will not.... I will simply say the solution is available, and it has nothing to do with immigration... it has to do with reforming unemployment, and walfare systems... so that it isn't a "money for free" operation...

They are on welfare because they don't want to work. If you were an employer you wouldn't even want those kind of hires. I agree those systems need reform but that won't help much with the labor shortage.

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[Water Camper]

Originally Posted by Biggd

They are on welfare because they don't want to work. If you were an employer you wouldn't even want those kind of hires. I agree those systems need reform but that won't help much with the labor shortage.

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I take a slight offense to this comment. Back in 2007 I was laid off and was unemployed for 7 months. Thank god for unemployment compensation and a grant for retraining. Not all people who are unemployed don't want to work. That is a blanket statement that is too broad, Yes I am sure there are some people using the system, but that assumption should not be applied to all.

Just my two cents,
Bill

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Water Camper

I take a slight offense to this comment. Back in 2007 I was laid off and was unemployed for 7 months. Thank god for unemployment compensation and a grant for retraining. Not all people who are unemployed don't want to work. That is a blanket statement that is too broad, Yes I am sure there are some people using the system, but that assumption should not be applied to all.

Just my two cents,
Bill

If you reread my post I said welfare.
The other big scam is disability payments. I see so many people on disability that are able to work but they take that free money as long as they can get it. Many of then take the money and still work getting paid under the table, milking the system for all it's worth.

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[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Water Camper

I take a slight offense to this comment. Back in 2007 I was laid off and was unemployed for 7 months. Thank god for unemployment compensation and a grant for retraining. Not all people who are unemployed don't want to work. That is a blanket statement that is too broad, Yes I am sure there are some people using the system, but that assumption should not be applied to all.

Just my two cents,
Bill

Welfare and unemployment are two entirely different things.

Unemployment is not welfare it is a "benefit" you paid into while working. Furthermore there are perquisites to get it. You have to have lost your job by no fault of your own (quit) and not due to dismissal for cause (IE you got fired). Secondly you have to have held your job for a certain period of time and paid in a certain amount which varies by state. In other words you earned that.

It's one of the few social programs that, while not perfect, does give everyone a little safety net that actually earns it.

[tis]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Welfare and unemployment are two entirely different things.

Unemployment is not welfare it is a "benefit" you paid into while working. Furthermore there are perquisites to get it. You have to have lost your job by no fault of your own (quit) and not due to dismissal for cause (IE you got fired). Secondly you have to have held your job for a certain period of time and paid in a certain amount which varies by state. In other words you earned that.

It's one of the few social programs that, while not perfect, does give everyone a little safety net that actually earns it.

Actually Maxum, the employer pays Futa and Suta not the employee. Futa is federal while Suta is state.



Do Employers Have to Pay Unemployment Taxes?

[joey2665]

TIS is absolutely correct. Although the employer does not directly pay unemployment to the employee the tax is imposed on the employer.

However there is an indirect effect. In many states such as NY the rate is dependent on the industry you are in. If you are in a high turnover industry your rate is higher and if you have a high turnover rate in your company your experience rate is also increase. Additionally in NY the tax is imposed on the first 8500.00 of wages unlike the 7000.00 for federal

[Major]

. . . Massachusetts just enacted a new tax associated with the Massachusetts Paid Family and Medical Leave Act. Beginning in January of 2021 most workers in Massachusetts will be eligible to get up to 12 weeks of paid family leave and up to 20 weeks of paid medical leave. The program will be funded by premiums paid by employees, employers, and the self-employed.

The employer has the option of paying a minimum of 60% up to 100% of the premiums. The cost for a typical employee if we pay 60% is $250-$500 per year depending on how much they make. It doesn't sound like much, but it adds up, especially since Massachusetts has a 5.1% income tax.

As part of our firm's management committee, I voted not to pay a penny more than our minimum obligation of 60%. On other things like insurance premium increases or 401(k) benefits, I typically vote to be generous. However, 95% of our employees (we're in Cambridge) most likely voted for the representatives who enacted this nonsense, and they need to understand that there are consequences for their votes. Someday, Massachusetts will drive out employers, much like New Jersey, New York and Connecticut.

[8gv]

Originally Posted by Major

. . . Massachusetts just enacted a new tax associated with the Massachusetts Paid Family and Medical Leave Act. Beginning in January of 2021 most workers in Massachusetts will be eligible to get up to 12 weeks of paid family leave and up to 20 weeks of paid medical leave. The program will be funded by premiums paid by employees, employers, and the self-employed.

The employer has the option of paying a minimum of 60% up to 100% of the premiums. The cost for a typical employee if we pay 60% is $250-$500 per year depending on how much they make. It doesn't sound like much, but it adds up, especially since Massachusetts has a 5.1% income tax.

As part of our firm's management committee, I voted not to pay a penny more than our minimum obligation of 60%. On other things like insurance premium increases or 401(k) benefits, I typically vote to be generous. However, 95% of our employees (we're in Cambridge) most likely voted for the representatives who enacted this nonsense, and they need to understand that there are consequences for their votes. Someday, Massachusetts will drive out employers, much like New Jersey, New York and Connecticut.

That would have cost me $62,500 a year if I were still in the business I had.

To recover that expense I could have raised prices but how much are people willing to pay for a burger?

The labor shortage, minimum wage increases and demands for $15/hour are just a few of the things I am happy to be missing.

Sometimes it's better to be a patient person on the customer side of the counter.

I just chant my retirement mantra..."lalala".

[HellRaZoR004]

Originally Posted by Major

. . . Massachusetts just enacted a new tax associated with the Massachusetts Paid Family and Medical Leave Act. Beginning in January of 2021 most workers in Massachusetts will be eligible to get up to 12 weeks of paid family leave and up to 20 weeks of paid medical leave. The program will be funded by premiums paid by employees, employers, and the self-employed.

The employer has the option of paying a minimum of 60% up to 100% of the premiums. The cost for a typical employee if we pay 60% is $250-$500 per year depending on how much they make. It doesn't sound like much, but it adds up, especially since Massachusetts has a 5.1% income tax.

As part of our firm's management committee, I voted not to pay a penny more than our minimum obligation of 60%. On other things like insurance premium increases or 401(k) benefits, I typically vote to be generous. However, 95% of our employees (we're in Cambridge) most likely voted for the representatives who enacted this nonsense, and they need to understand that there are consequences for their votes. Someday, Massachusetts will drive out employers, much like New Jersey, New York and Connecticut.

Wait a moment, this sounds very familiar. I think NH is trying to do the same and I'm 100% against it. Why should the government mandate that I pay for someone else to take time off while they have a kid.

https://www.concordmonitor.com/New-H...-bill-24276017

[Barbara]

Originally Posted by HellRaZoR004

Wait a moment, this sounds very familiar. I think NH is trying to do the same and I'm 100% against it. Why should the government mandate that I pay for someone else to take time off while they have a kid.

https://www.concordmonitor.com/New-H...-bill-24276017

Elections have consequences and the outside money and out of state community organizers did a bang up job here in NH for our 2018 elections. The results are what you are seeing now. Our legislature has hopped aboard the Socialism train and their goal is tax, tax, tax!!!

[SAMIAM]

Originally Posted by Barbara

Elections have consequences and the outside money and out of state community organizers did a bang up job here in NH for our 2018 elections. The results are what you are seeing now. Our legislature has hopped aboard the Socialism train and their goal is tax, tax, tax!!!

Very true.....the small margin of votes that cost Kelly Ayotte her seat was easily attributed to out of state voters, mostly college students and some bussed in from Mass.

[tis]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Very true.....the small margin of votes that cost Kelly Ayotte her seat was easily attributed to out of state voters, mostly college students and some bussed in from Mass.

I am sure that attributed to the STATE legislators going Dem. too. Why is it that you can count on spending, spending spending, socialism, socialism, socialism, more restrictions too, with the Dems.?

[rsmlp]

Raise wages. It's inevitable but employers have been reluctant because in the past they have't had to. When you get to basically ZERO unemployment it is axiomatic that you gotta pay more to get help. Either that or lose business. Pick your poison. Of course, the result is that prices follow wages up.

This is not really a bad thing. Better to have full employment and higher prices than soft employment and slightly lower prices.

[JEEPONLY]

As far as I know, N.H. already has an FMLA plan in place. I don't know how it is funded, or by whom. It relates to extended health leave from work.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Very true.....the small margin of votes that cost Kelly Ayotte her seat was easily attributed to out of state voters, mostly college students and some bussed in from Mass.

What?

You're not going to cheer for Democracy?

[fatlazyless]

...... hmmmm ..... is it bused or is it bussed .... not that it really matters .... oh well ..... is really gett'n down into the weeds on that 2016 senate election ..... sounds like Samiam has been listening to those nitwits on that Sunday morning, 1350-am, 9-noon, local Laconia radio talk show.

https://ballotpedia.org/Kelly_Ayotte

If Chris Sununu runs against Jeanne Shaheen for the 2020 senate seat, then Kelly Ayotte may run for NH governor.

What may have cost her that tiny percentage loss to Maggie Hassan was when in August, 2016 she said she would vote for Trump but would not endorse him and would just let people decide for themselves, or something.

Kelly could be a very happening NH governor. She is tall at about 5'10" and had to be the best looking, and youngest lady senator in the room.

How's her tennis game ... ... and how come the White House tennis court is never ever in the news ..... what it needs is a plywood 12' high x 24' wide, hitting backboard, painted green with a white line to replicate the net ..... to get some practice tennis hitters out on their court. .... and ditto that for pickleball hitters.

[MAXUM]

I stand corrected and I knew that …

[Garcia]

Related to the difficulty in finding workers is housing. I worked in the area as a teenager and it was great. I was also very fortunate in that my parents provided a free place foe me to live. Later in life when I tried to work a summer job in a different location, the jobs were easy to find, housing was not.

What is the seasonal housing market like in the Lakes Region? I know the service industry looks for workers from Memorial Day to Labor Day, which is also the height of seasonal housing rates.

Having a job at $15/hour sounds great, but if there’s no place to live, not so much.

I live near a ski area which has the same problem in the winter. They have to provide housing for their seasonal workers - most of whom are from other countries.

[rick35]

Originally Posted by Garcia

Related to the difficulty in finding workers is housing. I worked in the area as a teenager and it was great. I was also very fortunate in that my parents provided a free place foe me to live. Later in life when I tried to work a summer job in a different location, the jobs were easy to find, housing was not.

What is the seasonal housing market like in the Lakes Region? I know the service industry looks for workers from Memorial Day to Labor Day, which is also the height of seasonal housing rates.

Having a job at $15/hour sounds great, but if there’s no place to live, not so much.

I live near a ski area which has the same problem in the winter. They have to provide housing for their seasonal workers - most of whom are from other countries.

We had a server at Giusseppe’s last summer from Romania. Spoke perfect English and was an excellent server. We chatted a little bit and she said the owner provided housing (for a fee). Sounded like a good arrangement.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by rick35

We had a server at Giusseppe’s last summer from Romania. Spoke perfect English and was an excellent server. We chatted a little bit and she said the owner provided housing (for a fee). Sounded like a good arrangement.

That would be the US visa titled, H2B:
https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...ker-visas.html

Visa applicants have to prove they are "firmly-grounded" in their home country, so they don't overstay and become non-taxpaying burdens.

Although the housing units appear "ticky-tacky", local governments are building "Workforce Housing" for restaurant help in South Florida—where many H2B visa-holders are from Brazil. They're also excellent English-speakers. When I asked where they honed their speaking skills, the answers were "Alf" and "Bay Watch".

Originally Posted by Garcia

I'm just quoting from the previous poster's article. I was interested in the post and wanted to learn more so clicked on the link. I added the bold merely to highlight the article that was referenced said there was little fraud, not widespread fraud as suggested.

It is the previous sentence that is in agreement with ICE' deputy-director's interview quoted yesterday.

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

I would rather STOP the drugs coming over the southern border (once and for all, no matter what it takes), that are polluting a huge number of otherwise decent people, aka AMERICANS, and get them straightened out and give them first dibs at all the job opportunities in this great economy before we reward people for breaking the law. Then, (hopefully), we can say good riddance to the worst opioid epidemic in the history of this country, and never have to look back at that again... THEN, after we take care of our own, we can begin to concentrate on LEGAL immigration.

China, the prime source of fentanyl—the ingredient killing most addicted Americans—has now banned its manufacture:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/01/asia/...ntl/index.html

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by ApS

That would be the US visa titled, H2B:
[url]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/employment/temporary-worker-visas.html[/url


It is the previous sentence that is in agreement with ICE' deputy-director's interview quoted yesterday. :rolleye2

I disagree - if you read the article and put the numbers in context, people sampled are not random but instead are already tagged as fradulent (again, from the context of the article, they are not defining all illegal immigration as fradulent as another poster wrote about).

It seemed odd to link the article to make the point about widespread fraud as the article was all about how there isn’t widespread fraud.

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by ApS

That would be the US visa titled, H2B:
https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...ker-visas.html

Visa applicants have to prove they are "firmly-grounded" in their home country, so they don't overstay and become non-taxpaying burdens.

Although the housing units appear "ticky-tacky", local governments are building "Workforce Housing" for restaurant help in South Florida—where many H2B visa-holders are from Brazil. They're also excellent English-speakers. When I asked where they honed their speaking skills, the answers were "Alf" and "Bay Watch".


It is the previous sentence that is in agreement with ICE' deputy-director's interview quoted yesterday.


China, the prime source of fentanyl—the ingredient killing most addicted Americans—has now banned its manufacture:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/01/asia/...ntl/index.html

So true about fentanayl - synthetic drugs from China are a huge problem. My question, and it’s something I don’t have an answer to, is how to we get to the root cause of the problem? Banning the substances doesn’t take away the desire. Likewise, if immigrants are fleeing their country because of violence and/or a hopeless future, preventing them from entering the USA doesn’t solve the problem of why they want to flee.

My frustration is that it seems our leaders are not interested in looking at multifaceted solutions. For example, clamp down on drugs coming into the country and expand treatment programs and provide more resources for people to, long term, be self supporting. Or, in regards to immigration, tighten up on the flow of people entering, and address the Dreamers, while at the same time offer meaningful support to countries people are fleeing.

There doesn’t seem to be the political will at the moment, but I remain optimistic that it will be found.

[tis]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I stand corrected and I knew that …

Not trying to correct you, just wanted to make sure you knew.

[tis]

Major and 8, I agree with you. And it's not only the money but how in the world can a small business have people taking 12 or more weeks at a time off? Not only will it make the costs go up, it is impossible to operate with half the employees out on leave for a new baby or sick parent or new dog.

[Major]

Originally Posted by tis

Major and 8, I agree with you. And it's not only the money but how in the world can a small business have people taking 12 or more weeks at a time off? Not only will it make the costs go up, it is impossible to operate with half the employees out on leave for a new baby or sick parent or new dog.

In the last 29 years, I haven’t taken off more than 3 weeks a year. The life of a small business owner. They don’t care if I get twelve weeks off, they only care about how much tax I pay. The government doesn’t see any value in me other than taxes.


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[ApS]

Originally Posted by Dave R

I'm pretty sure competent workers are needed everywhere work is done. If you can sell a boat cleaning service for 50 bucks an hour and pay someone 15 bucks an hour to do it, you can afford to train them and make them competent.
The training will likely pay for itself by day 3; after that, it's pretty profitable, even when you consider overhead. We already know there's a market, and the work facility (and the majority of the overhead) already exists, the only missing link is the hose and
sponge operator. That person is presently sitting in a chain-link fence pen killing time and wasting tax payer money. To me, the solution is absurdly obvious.

The Deputy Director of ICE was interviewed this afternoon on Boston's WRKO.

A pilot program to determine fraud among family units crossing the border was conducted using rapid-field DNA testing. Of the 100 volunteers for the 90-minute test, the results disclosed that 30 were not family units.
https://www.wired.com/story/how-dna-...actually-work/

Sooooo, how is criminal fraud, "child-recycling", "Affordable Healthcare" and "human-trafficking" going to play-out in the long term?

This "absurdly obvious answer" will require a name for Congressional scrutiny—how about "The Affordable Waitstaff Act"?

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[Garcia]

Originally Posted by ApS

The Deputy Director of ICE was interviewed this afternoon on Boston's WRKO.

A pilot program to determine fraud among family units crossing the border was conducted using rapid-field DNA testing. Of the 100 volunteers for the 90-minute test, the results disclosed that 30 were not family units.
https://www.wired.com/story/how-dna-...actually-work/

Sooooo, how is criminal fraud, "child-recycling", "Affordable Healthcare" and "human-trafficking" going to play-out in the long term?

This "absurdly obvious answer" will require a name for Congressional scrutiny—how about "The Affordable Waitstaff Act"?

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Here's the paragraph i think the numbers came from (bold is mine):

Since April 18, CBP has referred 101 families for suspected fraud to ICE special investigators, a DHS official told reporters Wednesday. Of those, 29 were determined to be fraudulent, resulting in 45 people being referred for prosecution and 33 being accepted by prosecutors. CBP doesn’t have figures yet for April, but in the month prior, 53,077 family units were apprehended at the southern border, placing best estimates for the rate of fraud somewhere below half a percent. That’s in line with a report by BuzzFeed that found about 3,100 people, or 1 percent of all migrants last year, did something that could be considered fraudulent, including lying about being part of a family or saying someone older than 18 was a child.

As I interpret the article the conclusion is there is very little fraud.

Either way, there's a shortage of seasonal workers in the Lakes Region...

[tis]

Originally Posted by Major

In the last 29 years, I haven’t taken off more than 3 weeks a year. The life of a small business owner. They don’t care if I get twelve weeks off, they only care about how much tax I pay. The government doesn’t see any value in me other than taxes.


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Major, you didn't build that business, somebody else did!!! Didn't you know that?

[Cal Coon]

I would rather STOP the drugs coming over the southern border (once and for all, no matter what it takes), that are polluting a huge number of otherwise decent people, aka AMERICANS, and get them straightened out and give them first dibs at all the job opportunities in this great economy before we reward people for breaking the law. Then, (hopefully), we can say good riddance to the worst opioid epidemic in the history of this country, and never have to look back at that again... THEN, after we take care of our own, we can begin to concentrate on LEGAL immigration.

[Flylady]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

I would rather STOP the drugs coming over the southern border (once and for all, no matter what it takes), that are polluting a huge number of otherwise decent people, aka AMERICANS, and get them straightened out and give them first dibs at all the job opportunities in this great economy before we reward people for breaking the law. Then, (hopefully), we can say good riddance to the worst opioid epidemic in the history of this country, and never have to look back at that again... THEN, after we take care of our own, we can begin to concentrate on LEGAL immigration.

While neither is connected that is how this thread has evolved. So I am in Southern California......labor shortages are as bad here in a country of how many millions of people. Restaurants, fast food and grocery stores have all had their help wanted signs out beginning in April. Where once you would find the neighbors teenagers working at McD's or the grocery, you find hard working adults that are working 2-3 minimum wage jobs just to be able to keep a roof over their heads. It will be interesting to see how all of the theme parks do in hiring summer help.

Drugs: as most experts have continued to plea: the drugs are coming through legal border crossings and a few tunnels. The Border Patrol has been forced to use all their resources on the immigrant flood, the slow walk of the process and holding people because the government doesn't put enough personal where it is really needed. So showing the immigrant problem helps drive a political message and promise, but does nothing to reduce the flow of drugs.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

I would rather STOP the drugs coming over the southern border (once and for all, no matter what it takes), that are polluting a huge number of otherwise decent people, aka AMERICANS, and get them straightened out and give them first dibs at all the job opportunities in this great economy before we reward people for breaking the law. Then, (hopefully), we can say good riddance to the worst opioid epidemic in the history of this country, and never have to look back at that again... THEN, after we take care of our own, we can begin to concentrate on LEGAL immigration.

We own the opiod problem in this country. That was caused by our own drug companies and white collar crime. Most of todays illegal opiods come from China and not the southern boarder.

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[Dave R]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

I am not trying to make this political.... But instead of worrying about the immigrants waiting at the boarder, how about makeing those that are collecting unemployment, or welfare take these positions at least on a part time basis. while there are supposed to be looking for work.

Just because jobs seem plentiful, don't believe that there aren't people still out there playing the system. Don't believe that there aren't people available with the ability to work...

I could go on and on, but I will not.... I will simply say the solution is available, and it has nothing to do with immigration... it has to do with reforming unemployment, and walfare systems... so that it isn't a "money for free" operation...

That seems good in theory, but in practice it's never worked and never will. You might be able to take away the benefits, but you are not going to make people take and/or keep jobs that they don't want. I'm for giving jobs to people that want jobs and have a ton of incentive to work hard and keep the jobs.

[shifthappens]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

I am not trying to make this political.... But instead of worrying about the immigrants waiting at the boarder, how about makeing those that are collecting unemployment, or welfare take these positions at least on a part time basis. while there are supposed to be looking for work.

Just because jobs seem plentiful, don't believe that there aren't people still out there playing the system. Don't believe that there aren't people available with the ability to work...

I could go on and on, but I will not.... I will simply say the solution is available, and it has nothing to do with immigration... it has to do with reforming unemployment, and walfare systems... so that it isn't a "money for free" operation...

One part of the 'system' that could use serious attention/adjustment is the NH EBT/Food Stamps purchase guidelines. On the 5th of the month grocery/supermarkets are bombarded with hoards of reciprients. One and sometimes 2 shopping baskets full to the brim of 'stuff'. Once I saw a shopper having to return half of it's 2d basket because they had passed their EBT purchase limit. It's disgusting to see the crap that recipients are buying with their monthly EBT allotment that amounts to hundreds of dollars per month at tax payers expense. No guidelines except no liquer, tobacco, paper or soap type products. That means that many splurge on large quantities of everything else. I doubt they would buy the same things and as much if they were working. It's 'free' so lets get it whether we need it or not mentality. If they had a job chances are they would not qualiify. Good reason not to get a job. I use to receive EBT for a couple of months while I was looking for a job and thankfully no longer need the help any longer. Who knows what else these same people are getting for free from the 'system'. I recently read that one neighboring state has plans to revise their program that excludes the purchase of 'junk food' from their food program.

[fatlazyless]

One part of the 'system' that could use serious attention/adjustment is the NH EBT/Food Stamps purchase guidelines. On the 5th of the month .... It's disgusting to see the crap that recipients are buying with their monthly EBT allotment .....

..... what we need is the federal food police ..... the F.F.P. ...... ha-ha-ha ..... with a buyer's list that's narrowed down to just food items that's on the list ..... make that 36-permanent items with six of the items that gets changed every month for some variety...

Let me see ..... what's good to go on the food police list ...... it could be tuna fish, mayonnaise, rice, canned pineapple, orange juice, and milk, and yogurt covered raisins .... all the good cheap stuff! ..... .... no real maple syrup for you ..... is too expensive!

You know the little metal, marked-down, day old, bakery rack in the back of the store there ...... with all the yummy pastry, donuts, whoopie pies, corn bread, & apple pies at Heath's in Center Harbor is the most happening spot in the whole store ..... an "e b t" program for your typical NH bargain eater .... gotta love those peanut butter whoopie pies made by LePage's in Skowhegan .... left over and abandoned .... for half price!

[SAMIAM]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

..... what we need is the federal food police ..... the F.F.P. ...... ha-ha-ha ..... with a buyer's list that's narrowed down to just food items that's on the list ..... make that 36-permanent items with six of the items that gets changed every month for some variety...

Let me see ..... what's good to go on the food police list ...... it could be tuna fish, mayonnaise, rice, canned pineapple, orange juice, and milk, and yogurt covered raisins .... all the good cheap stuff! ..... .... no real maple syrup for you ..... is too expensive!

You know the little metal, marked-down, day old, bakery rack in the back of the store there ...... with all the yummy pastry, donuts, whoopie pies, corn bread, & apple pies at Heath's in Center Harbor is the most happening spot in the whole store ..... an "e b t" program for your typical NH bargain eater .... gotta love those peanut butter whoopie pies made by LePage's in Skowhegan .... left over and abandoned .... for half price!

Not against deserving people getting some help but the other daytime kid in front of me paid with an EBT card. He was in his 20's very healthy and strong. Had on a shirt from a local landscape company and had work boots on so I assume he is working.
Just don't get it.......how do these people qualify?

[TheVoiceOfReason]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Not against deserving people getting some help but the other daytime kid in front of me paid with an EBT card. He was in his 20's very healthy and strong. Had on a shirt from a local landscape company and had work boots on so I assume he is working.
Just don't get it.......how do these people qualify?

Just because you're employed doesn't mean you automatically meet the income threshold to disqualify from EBT. I'd actually prefer to lend a hand to someone who is holding down a job and trying to advance.

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Not against deserving people getting some help but the other daytime kid in front of me paid with an EBT card. He was in his 20's very healthy and strong. Had on a shirt from a local landscape company and had work boots on so I assume he is working.
Just don't get it.......how do these people qualify?

Someone close to me qualifies for EBT benefits - raising three kids and works but doesn't make enough to get by without help. She's always looking for a better paying job but it's harder than many think to make a livable wage. And no, she doesn't smoke, is a moderate drinker, doesn't eat out, no tatoos, no drug problems - and does a good job providing healthy food for her kids.

Yes, there are people at all ends of the income spectrum that abuse the system for personal gain - but I prefer not to assume everyone does.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by shifthappens

One part of the 'system' that could use serious attention/adjustment is the NH EBT/Food Stamps purchase guidelines. On the 5th of the month grocery/supermarkets are bombarded with hoards of reciprients. One and sometimes 2 shopping baskets full to the brim of 'stuff'. Once I saw a shopper having to return half of it's 2d basket because they had passed their EBT purchase limit. It's disgusting to see the crap that recipients are buying with their monthly EBT allotment that amounts to hundreds of dollars per month at tax payers expense. No guidelines except no liquer, tobacco, paper or soap type products. That means that many splurge on large quantities of everything else.
I doubt they would buy the same things and as much if they were working. It's 'free' so lets get it whether we need it or not mentality. If they had a job chances are they would not qualiify. Good reason not to get a job. I use to receive EBT for a couple of months while I was looking for a job and thankfully no longer need the help any longer. Who knows what else these same people are getting for free from the 'system'. I recently read that one neighboring state has plans to revise their program that excludes the purchase of 'junk food' from their food program.

They can always trade those "discounted" items for cash, which I think gets them their smokes.

But the major complaint I've seen is lobster in the cart.

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[tis]

Many say if you can't afford three kids, don't have them. Now that statement should start trouble.

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by tis

Many say if you can't afford three kids, don't have them. Now that statement should start trouble.

I deleted my original post - just not worth it...

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Garcia

I deleted my original post - just not worth it...

Agreed with your original comment--so many circumstances don't follow that narrative.

Someone will be by soon to say she should just work harder.

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[Major]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Agreed with your original comment--so many circumstances don't follow that narrative.

Someone will be by soon to say she should just work harder.

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I'll bite! I actually agree with Garcia to a certain extent. The help should be focused with an eye to not helping anymore. The help shouldn't be forever. I hope we can agree that perpetually being on welfare is not good for the individual being helped, nor society as a whole.

I've told this story before on this Forum. One of my closest coworkers in the RI Army National Guard lost his father in Vietnam. At the time, he was 8. His older brother was 10 and his younger brother was 4. The only thing his mother received was $10,000 from the government. Nothing else. No benefits, no nothing. His mother refused government help (welfare) since she thought it would be a poor example to her children. Instead, she worked three jobs, one full-time job (as a secretary) and two part-time jobs (as a waitress) until the kids graduated from college. One became a medical doctor, one a lawyer and the last one an engineer. All three retired from the military.

The point is that it can be done. Unfortunately, hard work and perseverance is part of the solution.

[Biggd]

I agree that hard work and perseverence can go a long way but some people always want to scam the system.

I have a friend I grew up with, a Vietnam vet, who thinks the world owes him a living because he was in the army. He's 75 and he's been on disability for 25 years claiming he hurt his back at work. He's was auto mechanic and went out on workers comp over 30 years ago, settled a claim for short money and never worked legally ever again. He worked under the table and cashed his disability check every month. He also was lucky to marry a woman that had a great job and paid all the bills.
He's the biggest racist I know, always throwing the N word around and complaining that the illegals are coming into this country and taking his hard earned tax dollars, and he's serious when he says this. He hasn't paid income tax in over 30 years!
He lives in NH now because he says there are no N word.
Sometimes he makes it extremely hard to call him my friend.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Major

I'll bite! I actually agree with Garcia to a certain extent. The help should be focused with an eye to not helping anymore. The help shouldn't be forever. I hope we can agree that perpetually being on welfare is not good for the individual being helped, nor society as a whole.

I've told this story before on this Forum. One of my closest coworkers in the RI Army National Guard lost his father in Vietnam. At the time, he was 8. His older brother was 10 and his younger brother was 4. The only thing his mother received was $10,000 from the government. Nothing else. No benefits, no nothing. His mother refused government help (welfare) since she thought it would be a poor example to her children. Instead, she worked three jobs, one full-time job (as a secretary) and two part-time jobs (as a waitress) until the kids graduated from college. One became a medical doctor, one a lawyer and the last one an engineer. All three retired from the military.

The point is that it can be done. Unfortunately, hard work and perseverance is part of the solution.

Wow, she deserves congratulations! And we know why those kids grew up to be successful don't we!! And she was somebody who needed and deserved help yet was PROUD and wouldn't take it.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Major

I'll bite! I actually agree with Garcia to a certain extent. The help should be focused with an eye to not helping anymore. The help shouldn't be forever. I hope we can agree that perpetually being on welfare is not good for the individual being helped, nor society as a whole.



I've told this story before on this Forum. One of my closest coworkers in the RI Army National Guard lost his father in Vietnam. At the time, he was 8. His older brother was 10 and his younger brother was 4. The only thing his mother received was $10,000 from the government. Nothing else. No benefits, no nothing. His mother refused government help (welfare) since she thought it would be a poor example to her children. Instead, she worked three jobs, one full-time job (as a secretary) and two part-time jobs (as a waitress) until the kids graduated from college. One became a medical doctor, one a lawyer and the last one an engineer. All three retired from the military.



The point is that it can be done. Unfortunately, hard work and perseverance is part of the solution.

Major, your examples are always 30-50 years old. You realize that world no longer exists, right?! Wages vs. living costs are nowhere near what they used to be. Not even close. My parents bought a home on a maintenance man's and grocery clerks salaries in the late 60's. College cost $600 then.

I don't think anyone should ever depend on, or want to depend on, the system; I also know the importance and value of hard work and perseverance (don't forget I worked full time and paid for my own bachelor's and master's degrees mostly in cash, something that could no longer happen, either) but to make comparisons between what it took to succeed 30-50 years ago and now is absurd.

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[DEJ]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Major, your examples are always 30-50 years old. You realize that world no longer exists, right?! Wages vs. living costs are nowhere near what they used to be. Not even close. My parents bought a home on a maintenance man's and grocery clerks salaries in the late 60's. College cost $600 then.

I don't think anyone should ever depend on, or want to depend on, the system; I also know the importance and value of hard work and perseverance (don't forget I worked full time and paid for my own bachelor's and master's degrees mostly in cash, something that could no longer happen, either) but to make comparisons between what it took to succeed 30-50 years ago and now is absurd.

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The world you suggest that does not exist today thinkxingu still does exist, I take issue with many of your comments. My Son recently obtained his Masters degree, paid almost all of it in cash, worked two jobs, raised a family on his income only, wife and one child, never took out a loan for his education so it CAN be done, you just need the drive to do it.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by DEJ

The world you suggest that does not exist today thinkxingu still does exist, I take issue with many of your comments. My Son recently obtained his Masters degree, paid almost all of it in cash, worked two jobs, raised a family on his income only, wife and one child, never took out a loan for his education so it CAN be done, you just need the drive to do it.

What agenda? The only "agenda" I have is being realistic about how the world has changed and how that's affecting us as a country now and in the future. Deficit spending--both governmental and personal--is going to cause major problems and it's not all because young people choose to fail. It is not impossible--I've never said that--but it's exponentially more difficult to achieve what our parents did.

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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by DEJ

I will respectfully disagree. If a person wants to get ahead without handouts in todays world it is very possible, unfortunately youth today are led to believe what you post here and teach.

All that data is wrong? Awesome.

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[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Major, your examples are always 30-50 years old. You realize that world no longer exists, right?! Wages vs. living costs are nowhere near what they used to be. Not even close. My parents bought a home on a maintenance man's and grocery clerks salaries in the late 60's. College cost $600 then.

I don't think anyone should ever depend on, or want to depend on, the system; I also know the importance and value of hard work and perseverance (don't forget I worked full time and paid for my own bachelor's and master's degrees mostly in cash, something that could no longer happen, either) but to make comparisons between what it took to succeed 30-50 years ago and now is absurd.

Thirty minutes later you posted this

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

"But despite the strong labor market, wage growth has lagged economists’ expectations. In fact, despite some ups and downs over the past several decades, today’s real average wage (that is, the wage after accounting for inflation) has about the same purchasing power it did 40 years ago."

You can't have it both ways. Not even in today's world.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

Thirty minutes later you posted this

You can't have it both ways. Not even in today's world.

Yes, but access to well-paying jobs and the costs to achieve those wages has increased. Trade schools, colleges, certification programs, etc. have all exponentially increased and jobs that don't require any education have had the least amount of increases.

Again, it's not impossible, but it's no longer a given that hard work is enough and in an economy like today, where employees are in the driver's seat, increased wages may be a necessity.

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[Biggd]

Basically if you can't find a job in this environment then you either have some serious physical, mental, or drug issues otherwise you are just plain lazy. You're either making money or making excuses.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Basically if you can't find a job in this environment then you either have some serious physical, mental, or drug issues otherwise you are just plain lazy. You're either making money or making excuses.

Agreed. I don't know much about local support systems--does anyone know if there's a job placement aspect to unemployment or just requirements to keep receiving benefits?

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[tis]

The young need and expect so much more today. We did not have cable, internet, cell phones, hardly ever went out to dinner or picked up pizza. We went grocery shopping with a limited list. Chips and junk food were rare. We didn't stop for coffee on the way to work and we took our lunch to work. And you can bet a lot smoke today which is very expensive. We did not expect to have everything when we first started out but today they do. If they didn't have the government to depend on, they would have to change these habits for a few years.

Trfour, I can't help but think of all your pictures of your trip. All those kids but I bet your parents didn't take a penny from the government.

[Garcia]

Perhaps a way to pay, at least in part, for entitlements could be to collect the $400 billion in taxes that are owed but never collect. That would certainly help

http://www.crfb.org/blogs/irs-loses-...r-unpaid-taxes

In all seriousness, a huge problem for seasonal service industry destinations like the Lakes Region is housing. The area can’t support all the summer workers it needs year round, and it struggles to provide affordable housing during the peak season.

And before we spend any more time disparaging the younger generation we should all remember that our Social Security and Medicare benefits rely on their payroll taxes. We expect to receive far more in benefits than we paid in.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-paid-what-yo/ (Article is dated - the gap between what we paid and what we receive has grown). And for those who have saved and planned well for your own retirement and don’t need Social Security, do you refuse it - or are you entitled to it?

Are we just as outraged by these programs that the elderly benefit from as we are from seeing someone use an EBT card?

[trfour]

Tis,

Trfour, I can't help but think of all your pictures of your trip. All those kids but I bet your parents didn't take a penny from the government.

For us, it's Always been, PAY or NAE!! Pay Pay Pay Baby!!
Hi Tis

[Descant]

Originally Posted by tis

Many say if you can't afford three kids, don't have them. Now that statement should start trouble.

If everybody had three kids, the original intent of this thread would be solved. There would be lots of summer help, and retirees would rest easy knowing there is a new, larger, generation paying into Social Security.

[MDoug]

Originally Posted by Dave R

There's an incredibly simple and obvious solution. There are literally thousands of people arriving to the US border every week looking for a better life and willing to do hard manual labor for reasonable salary. Maybe instead of paying to keep them in detention centers, they could get temporary work visas and add to the economy rather than subtract from it. If they prove to be adding to society over time, give them permanent resident status and let them apply for citizenship, if not send them home. It's astounding to me that this is not happening right now.

Please don't make this political, it's simply pragmatic and I think a necessary step to keep the economy booming longer. If we don't add to the work force, inflation is going to be a problem soon and that will slow the economy.

We need competent workers here in NH, not just laborers. I see so much incompetence in the work force and folks just collecting a paycheck instead of being good at what they do.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by MDoug

We need competent workers here in NH, not just laborers. I see so much incompetence in the work force and folks just collecting a paycheck instead of being good at what they do.

I would be happy with ANYONE who can pass a pre-employment drug test!

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by MDoug

We need competent workers here in NH, not just laborers. I see so much incompetence in the work force and folks just collecting a paycheck instead of being good at what they do.

You don't know if they are competent until they start working. Competency doesn't come in a certain color.

[MDoug]

Who said anything about color?

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by MDoug

We need competent workers here in NH, not just laborers. I see so much incompetence in the work force and folks just collecting a paycheck instead of being good at what they do.

I'm pretty sure competent workers are needed everywhere work is done.

If you can sell a boat cleaning service for 50 bucks an hour and pay someone 15 bucks an hour to do it, you can afford to train them and make them competent. The training will likely pay for itself by day 3; after that, it's pretty profitable, even when you consider overhead. We already know there's a market, and the work facility (and the majority of the overhead) already exists, the only missing link is the hose and sponge operator. That person is presently sitting in a chain-link fence pen killing time and wasting tax payer money. To me, the solution is absurdly obvious.

[phoenix]

There are thousands of foreigners who will come for the summer if we would give companies enough permits to bring them over

[phoenix]

If you bring in permanent people what do you do with them in September. Go seasonal

[The Real BigGuy]

While I agree with you Cal Coon that we need to stop it I feel it is a losing proposition. Jeff Goldblum said it in one of the Jurassic Park movies, “Nature will find a way”. Witness prohibition. When the computer gurus come up with a way to stop hackers, the hackers find a new avenue.

Alas, as long as there is a demand, suppliers will find a way to meet it.


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[Outdoorsman]

This thread is so ridiculously off topic....

[tis]

I agree it's too bad this got so far off topic. Maybe somebody could start a new drug thread and this can get back to the issue of help- not that we can solve the problem here.

[Phantom]

UPDATE -

All the off topic politcal ramblin above aside -

For those of you at Channel who have not launched yet - as of this morning I was informed that they have retained a cleaning service for the boats

Unfortunately - mine went in today (dirty) not even a wash down.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Phantom

UPDATE -

All the off topic politcal ramblin above aside -

For those of you at Channel who have not launched yet - as of this morning I was informed that they have retained a cleaning service for the boats

Unfortunately - mine went in today (dirty) not even a wash down.

Wow! (pun intended)
I'll have to call Sadi and find out if mine will be cleaned now...valet doesn't start until the 10th of May. I'll call later today.
On another note, as I recall, mine was not "rinsed off" last season either even though it was on their "Spring launch" to-do list.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Phantom

UPDATE -

All the off topic politcal ramblin above aside -

For those of you at Channel who have not launched yet - as of this morning I was informed that they have retained a cleaning service for the boats

Unfortunately - mine went in today (dirty) not even a wash down.

UPDATE TO THE UPDATE:
I called Sadi at the service desk at Winni Marine (not Channel) and asked her about the cleaning service as I did have it on my Spring launch form. She said they have retained a service but are only trying them out "tentatively" to ascertain their "skill set" for the job. They, at this time, are NOT selling this service.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by tis

I agree it's too bad this got so far off topic. Maybe somebody could start a new drug thread and this can get back to the issue of help- not that we can solve the problem here.

I don't remember how the subject came up, but I asked a waitstaff member from where she began her commute to work near Center Harbor. She started from Ossipee which, to me, seemed like a pretty long commute to wait tables!

Now, some years ago, Wolfeboro built a row of condominiums designed for low-wage residents west—off 109A. Has there been any news how that's worked out?

If the demographics evolved like South Florida's Habitat for Humanity's "collectivized" developments, there should be Cadillacs, Mercedes, and BMWs in the parking lots (and boats on trailers).

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

This thread is so ridiculously off topic....

Show me one "topic" that isn't related to, or derived from, another topic. ALL topics have related "topics". It's called a conversation, and can go off, and come back to original topic at any time. Anyone should be able to feel free to join in, (or out), as they wish... It's called the First Amendment, and it's a beautiful thing. Is that "off topic"??

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Show me one "topic" that isn't related to, or derived from, another topic. ALL topics have related "topics". It's called a conversation, and can go off, and come back to original topic any any time. Feel free to join in.

Given enough time, I knew we'd agree on something!

And FLL, that's creepy.

Happy Sunday, neighbors!

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[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Given enough time, I knew we'd agree on something!

And FLL, that's creepy.

Happy Sunday, neighbors!

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I'm pretty sure that we have agreed on something before, I just don't remember what it was, I just remember being surprised that we agreed on something!! (LOL) FWIW, I enjoy going to my nice little quiet spot on the lake, drop anchor, break out the cleaning products, and go to town cleaning my own boat while listening to good old fashioned hard core rock and roll that ALWAYS motivates the hell out of me!!! It's like an annual ritual... And to those of you (environmentalist wackos) "wondering" if I am polluting the lake with my cleaning products, the answer is NO, none of my cleaning products end up in the lake. EVER. I am all for "preserving" the environment, just not "wacko" over it like some people tend to be...

[WinnisquamZ]

I believe Laconia has many low cost housing apartments that could be occupied by summer help, however, many units are currently rented as section 8 housing. As many of you know your income is limited if you accepted this housing. In other words, if you take one of the hundreds jobs currently available in the area you lose your housing


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[fatlazyless]

Every Wednesday, starting at 10-am is $1.09 ice cream cone day at Kellerhaus, http://kellerhaus.com, above the Weirs, where they make their ice cream in-house, and it is like the very best ice cream, ever.

Anyway, in addition to great ice cream for just 1.09, last year the scoopers were these really athletic looking, young women from Romania ..... they looked almost like professional tennis player type athleticism ..... which sure adds to the whole Kellerhaus experience .... tried to hang around and shoot the breeze ... until running out of appropriate comments ..... like, so how come your vanilla is yellow and not white? What's up with the yellow vanilla ..... except it tastes excellent.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Every Wednesday, starting at 10-am is $1.09 ice cream cone day at Kellerhaus, http://kellerhaus.com, above the Weirs, where they make their ice cream in-house, and it is like the very best ice cream, ever.

Anyway, in addition to great ice cream for just 1.09, last year the scoopers were these really athletic looking, young women from Romania ..... they looked almost like professional tennis player type athleticism ..... which sure adds to the whole Kellerhaus experience .... tried to hang around and shoot the breeze ... until running out of appropriate comments ..... like, so how come your vanilla is yellow and not white? What's up with the yellow vanilla ..... except it tastes excellent.

FLL, in lieu of appropriate comments, perhaps you should have tried the "hair sniffing" trick...