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Old 09-05-2019, 09:33 AM   #1
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I have search the site in so many ways but can't find out any information on the new (building for past year) McMansion on Alton Bay just off of first entrance to 11-D. I heard rumors about 10,000 sq ft but now looks like more. Heard once owned (maybe still does) by name of Nelson. But that is it. Can anyone help.

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Sue and Bud Nelson once owned the land this place is being built on, I believe. Sue and Bud still live right behind it.


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"McMansions" are, generally speaking, spec homes. This is custom built and it's just under 8000 square feet. Thank you!
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Town Hall has records of ownership and building permits. All public info. If it has been building for a year, there was something there last April 1 that was assessed as partial.
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If you are talking about the one I think you are Beckwith Builders is building it?
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"McMansions" are, generally speaking, spec homes. This is custom built and it's just under 8000 square feet. Thank you!
You speak with great certain, by chance is this your new home?
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Yes, Beckwith Builders are building it....
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I did not realize there was a legal definition of McMansion. Is not one personís Mc Mansion, anotherís McBungalow?
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Quite disturbing how much everyone is so into everyone elseís business. Just mind your own and be nice to others.

If you donít like ĎMcMansionsí, vote in new politicians that will restrict them or at least set a standard that you like.

I am sure the owner is spending a lot of money is not building anything that is against the law.....contact your local politicians to complain instead of being a gossiping neighbor.
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Well said Bruinsfan and donít forget these homes are a huge boost to the economy via supplies and jobs additionally the increase in property tax revenue.


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Quite disturbing how much everyone is so into everyone else’s business. Just mind your own and be nice to others.

If you don’t like ‘McMansions’, vote in new politicians that will restrict them or at least set a standard that you like.

I am sure the owner is spending a lot of money is not building anything that is against the law.....contact your local politicians to complain instead of being a gossiping neighbor.
I didn't see any negativity in any of the posts? The OP just asked a question of ownership.
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Does anyone have a picture? Iíd like to see what it looks like.
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I have not seen the house in question so no comments about it but I wonder how different people define McMansion? In my eyes a McMansion is a large house that is built with no attention paid to build quality, scale, design, good taste, common rules of architecture, ..... Size for the sake of size as money does not buy good taste. Being large does not make it a McMansion. There are large homes that are beautiful and small homes that are ugly. I have no problems with the large homes on the lake and enjoy good architecture of any size. I do have problems with anything that contributes to poor water quality or is just ugly to look at. I understand the ugly part can be subjective.
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I didn't see any negativity in any of the posts? The OP just asked a question of ownership.
The term McMansion is a negative term, usually used by the envious.


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The term McMansion is a negative term, usually used by the envious.
Oh?

I thought the term "mcmansion" typically referred to new construction which does not fit the established pattern of the area, e.g. people buying five to twenty acres on what was previously farm land or woods and then building their large "dream home."
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I never knew it was a negative word? I've heard and read much worse! I guess if you're on the other end of the spectrum then you would take offense to someone labeling your house a McMansion as an insult.

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winterh is right about the quality and workmanship etc. This is one component of your home which causes it to be labeled a McMansion.
You are also right that a large house does not automatically become a McMansion. What makes it a McMansion is that it is too big for the lot that it is put on. It doesnít fit in with the other homes around it. It just takes up too much of the available space.
Also, many people feel that itís too big of a home for too few people. Thatís where the negative connotation comes from.
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Hmmm...did you write this minutes before or minutes after your sandbar posts where you said the lake was losing it's charm and nothing can be done?

The thing that McMansions (of any size) have in common with overcrowding on the lake is that both depend on a system where money drives everything, and too few place value on restraint and natural beauty.
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winterh is right about the quality and workmanship etc. This is one component of your home which causes it to be labeled a McMansion.
You are also right that a large house does not automatically become a McMansion. What makes it a McMansion is that it is too big for the lot that it is put on. It doesnít fit in with the other homes around it. It just takes up too much of the available space.
Also, many people feel that itís too big of a home for too few people. Thatís where the negative connotation comes from.
Where did this definition come from? Is this your opinion? Or did you find a definition somewhere?
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LOL. You caught me.
Whenever I Google anything, I always go to Wikipedia. It is an online encyclopedia for those who do not know. I always want to know the facts and not someone elseís opinion. This is the best place to go when you want that information.
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Hmmm...did you write this minutes before or minutes after your sandbar posts where you said the lake was losing it's charm and nothing can be done?

The thing that McMansions (of any size) have in common with overcrowding on the lake is that both depend on a system where money drives everything, and too few place value on restraint and natural beauty.
Too me "McMansions" have little to nothing to do with the lake losing its charm. Overcrowding of boat traffic does. Most large home are on large plots of land off the lake higher up in the elevation. My opinion but thank you for being so critical. I'll will be sure to monitor your posts for consistency and criticism.
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If a large home is on a large lot then by definition it is not a McMansion.
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Is this definition of "McMansion" in the Webster Dictionary, I don't think so.... Maybe our definitions are different
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Joey, I guess you didnít see my previous post. The definition is from Wikipedia.
Wikipedia is an online way to get factual information.

Websterís dictionary, as well as several other dictionaries and encyclopedias, are used as reference material.

So, Iím not sure where youíre getting your information from because the definition according to Webster was what I was referring to.
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Is this definition of "McMansion" in the Webster Dictionary, I don't think so.... Maybe our definitions are different
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I would say this is going to be a McMansion. Note it is not the Alton Bay house.
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winterh is right about the quality and workmanship etc. This is one component of your home which causes it to be labeled a McMansion.
You are also right that a large house does not automatically become a McMansion. What makes it a McMansion is that it is too big for the lot that it is put on. It doesnít fit in with the other homes around it. It just takes up too much of the available space.
Also, many people feel that itís too big of a home for too few people. Thatís where the negative connotation comes from.
I disagree. The McMansion term is not unique to the lakes region, and is generally used to describe a large house that is relatively non-unique and built according to predesigned plans, usually in close proximity to similar houses that lack unique characteristics. It became widely used, to my knowledge, when builder like Toll Brothers started booming, turning out large numbers of houses with a big footprint (eg: 5,000 sqft and up), but where the construction techniques and finish materials were inferior to "actual" mansions. Think commodity granite countertops and stainless steel appliances from big box stores vs. marble counters and kitchen equipment from Sub Zero and Viking (though including the latter does not make it not a McMansion).

House size relative to property size is not as much of an indicator, IMO, as the general high volume production aspect of the house itself.
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Joey, I guess you didn’t see my previous post. The definition is from Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is an online way to get factual information.

Webster’s dictionary, as well as several other dictionaries and encyclopedias, are used as reference material.

So, I’m not sure where you’re getting your information from because the definition according to Webster was what I was referring to.
Please Really??? I know what Wikipedia is. It is not always accurate as anyone can enter and edit information and I do not ever include it as a source of factual information. Webster is an actually dictionary with factual definitions of real words. I am not referring a reference encyclopedia.


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It's just a slang name given to the rise of large scale homes that look out of place. What is the big deal about how it's interpreted? If you don't like the term then call it what you want. If you're offended because you have one then "get over it".
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It's just a slang name given to the rise of large scale homes that look out of place. What is the big deal about how it's interpreted? If you don't like the term then call it what you want. If you're offended because you have one then "get over it".
It is not really possible to have any meaningful discussion if there is no agreement as to what is being discussed.

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Please Really??? I know what Wikipedia is. It is not always accurate as anyone can enter and edit information and I do not ever include it as a source of factual information.
True ....... Not recognized as a source of factual information, not always accurate
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For me, if you can drive it yourself without crew, it's not a yacht.
If your household staff all live elsewhere i.e,. off the grounds, it is not a mansion.
If a city mansion is located on 2000 acres, it is an estate.
If they are built in large numbers (like hamburgers) it is a McMansion.
Anything else is probably just pretentious.
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It is not really possible to have any meaningful discussion if there is no agreement as to what is being discussed.

There really is nothing to “ get over.”
Some people on here take offense to the term "McMansion". I have no clue why unless they think they own one? If I owned one, which I don't, I could care less what anyone thought.
Some people describe "McMansions" as big houses that all look the same but no one describes big town house developments that way, those can be big homes that all look the same? I just think the arguments on the whole thread are ridiculous. A lot of fuss about nothing.
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Yeah, Biggd. I just Googled the definition so everyone would have an idea what was being talked about.

I donít know why everyoneís getting so upset either.
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Yeah, Biggd. I just Googled the definition so everyone would have an idea what was being talked about.

I donít know why everyoneís getting so upset either.
Whose is upset? Just making a point that people have different definitions for the same word and I based my statements on my definition and you based yours on your definition. I don't think anyone is upset over something so trivial
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Whose is upset? Just making a point that people have different definitions for the same word and I based my statements on my definition and you based yours on your definition. I don't think anyone is upset over something so trivial
It's all my fault. I think it all started when I said I didn't see anything negative in the term "McMansion" and then all hell broke loose.
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Joey, read your own words.

I donít know how to transcribe like you all do, On post # 27, you were arguing that Wikipedia did not always contains factual information. This is ludicrous. Why does the definition of a house have to be so exact in your mind? Weíre not talking about the cure for cancer.
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Joey, read your own words.

I don’t know how to transcribe like you all do, On post # 27, you were arguing that Wikipedia did not always contains factual information. This is ludicrous. Why does the definition of a house have to be so exact in your mind? We’re not talking about the cure for cancer.
Oh my god move on already and stop beating a dead horse. You must have something better to do with your time. You have your opinion and I have mine. Never the two shall meet. Read #34


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It's all my fault. I think it all started when I said I didn't see anything negative in the term "McMansion" and then all hell broke loose.
Yep you are just a big troublemaker!!!!
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There is an entertaining website devoted to identifying and making fun of McMansions. Maybe this will help explain what it is


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HAHAHA, what a riot. Throw in some coming FLL garbage and this will be thoroughly entertaining
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Depends on your realistic point of view, but I appreciate your sarcasm
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winterh is right about the quality and workmanship etc. This is one component of your home which causes it to be labeled a McMansion.
You are also right that a large house does not automatically become a McMansion. What makes it a McMansion is that it is too big for the lot that it is put on. It doesnít fit in with the other homes around it. It just takes up too much of the available space.
Also, many people feel that itís too big of a home for too few people. Thatís where the negative connotation comes from.
So how do you know when you pass by in your boat and look at a home that you would call a "McMansion" that it has poor "quality and workmanship"? Wouldn't you need an up close look and some construction experience to determine this?

How do you know that it is "too big of a home for too few people"? How would you determine how many people live in a house?

When you make your decision have you taken attendance to determine the appropriate number of people per square foot? What is the right number of square feet per person for a house?

Just askin'
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Oh my god move on already and stop beating a dead horse. You must have something better to do with your time. You have your opinion and I have mine. Never the two shall meet. Read #34


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All I know is in a lot of the recent builds the architects have gone to a more modern, plainer style and I don't like it. They look like barns with windows to me.
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For the record, Wikipedia should NEVER be quoted as a credible or reliable source. Back in college paper writing days you would catch a hard F if you were referencing Wikipedia and not peer reviewed verified sources for fact.
Exactly what I said in post #28. Anyone can edit add or delete information on Wikipedia it’s not credible at all.


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Well, I'm glad THAT's been settled!
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For me, if you can drive it yourself without crew, it's not a yacht.
If your household staff all live elsewhere i.e,. off the grounds, it is not a mansion.
If a city mansion is located on 2000 acres, it is an estate.
If they are built in large numbers (like hamburgers) it is a McMansion.
Anything else is probably just pretentious.
Now you've done it!

After a 34 year career with the golden arches I take exception to the use of this term!

The next thing we'll see is the term "McNuggets" used to describe tiny houses!

Now I need to go find my emotional support llama.

He's still mad because they wouldn't let him on the plane...
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This whole thread is getting ridiculous. The OP should be ashamed of himself for using such a negative expression and causing such an uproar, LOL!
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So how do you know when you pass by in your boat and look at a home that you would call a "McMansion" that it has poor "quality and workmanship"? Wouldn't you need an up close look and some construction experience to determine this?

How do you know that it is "too big of a home for too few people"? How would you determine how many people live in a house?

When you make your decision have you taken attendance to determine the appropriate number of people per square foot? What is the right number of square feet per person for a house?

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If it's obscene, it's probably a McMansion. You'll know it when you see it.
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I suspect that the new house will be stunning.

It will also:

Generate additional tax dollars for the town
Employ skilled and non skilled labor to build it
Result in the continued employment of property maintenance workers

All that sounds good to me.
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