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Old 12-30-2021, 05:10 PM   #1
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Default Gilford to have meeting on Short Term Rentals Monday

So it looks like Gilford will be possibly implementing restrictions and a possible permit system for the Short Term Rentals within Gilford. I for one would personally be against this, but understand concerns. We have a small studio that we rent out and have high standards including no rental to anyone under 30, limited to two adults with no pets or children, and anyone considered must have great reviews from previous stays with other hosts. Our rating is 5 stars and everyone of our guests was a pleasure to have. All were quiet and clean, we would welcome any of them back anytime.

I do believe there should be a process in order to host and fines for those who abuse, but please don't make this too difficult on home owners trying to offset property taxes, insurance, and heating costs.

Keep is simple for example:

1.) All Short term rentals should require permit
2..) Have a 3 strike policy. Police have to come each time is a strike, on the third one you loose your permit
3.) Maybe form a reasonable tax due to Gilford

Let keep this sensible and not a head hunting expedition
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We spent years renting for a week or two at a time before we bought our place, so I'm sympathetic to short term rentals.

One other idea worth considering wrt sensibility is limiting the number of nights per year that a home can be rented and/or limiting the number of homes that a family can rent out. There's a big difference between an active caring homeowner renting for a few weeks to make ends meet, and an absent investor who's going into the AirBnB business.
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I don't know what situation or problems prompted this discussion in Gilford but I would be against substantial changes or over regulation.

Many of the motels and waterfront rentals in the area have become owner occupied condos and created a shortage of places a that a family can vacation on the lake. The opportunity for families to enjoy the area (and spend money at local establishments) should not be taken lightly.

I have a home on the lake in Gilford that is a weekly rental in the summer and then one tenant occupies it for the winter. I have been renting this house out since 2004. I am very aware of what is going on at the house all summer because I live next door.

There are laws in place for noise, parking, fireworks, and any number of other things that may be a problem. I think the existing laws are adequate to stop any problems, should they occur.
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As you probably know, the Town of Conway NH is a mount washington valley town with a population of about ten thousand residents and a lot of second vacation homes and it done gone and did this ..... http://www.conwaynh.org/wp-content/u...ted-by-BOS.pdf ..... ...... about five pages .... rules .... str's .... December 2020
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Perfect timing-so many of the folks who own such properties have rented for the winter and gone south. Can the Selectmen do this, or does it require Town Meeting vote?
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I don't know what situation or problems prompted this discussion in Gilford but I would be against substantial changes or over regulation.

Many of the motels and waterfront rentals in the area have become owner occupied condos and created a shortage of places a that a family can vacation on the lake. The opportunity for families to enjoy the area (and spend money at local establishments) should not be taken lightly.

I have a home on the lake in Gilford that is a weekly rental in the summer and then one tenant occupies it for the winter. I have been renting this house out since 2004. I am very aware of what is going on at the house all summer because I live next door.

There are laws in place for noise, parking, fireworks, and any number of other things that may be a problem. I think the existing laws are adequate to stop any problems, should they occur.
I don't know what the specific regulations are in Meredith, but if the home five doors away from us is any indication, those laws are likely weak or poorly enforced (or maybe the immediate neighbors have simply given up). This home is rented throughout the summer to many one or two-week renters. Some are quiet but others make up for that with loud gatherings that extend to 1:00 AM and beyond, and at times unsafe boating. Police have been called and the owner talked to by neighbors but that hasn't really achieved a whole lot given the homeowner's absentee status. We're just far enough away to not be overly bothered by it but I sure wouldn't want to live next door.

I think effective regulation is key and I like the sort of ideas that Sunseeker suggests where there is a strong incentive to not exceed certain levels of tolerance (effectively giving nearby neighbors hope). I agree, don't over regulate. But there's a need for reasonable laws and repercussions that sting if they aren't followed.
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If history is any clue... it will be an ongoing issue.
Each time those engaged in the activity will counsel for limited restriction and not going overboard; but over time it will increase until it is overwhelming.

They seldom hit hard enough to end the problem, they just coax it along with a new bandage every time it springs a leak.
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We should definitely make Gilford more like LaconiaÖ. Aka less desirable.
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Without knowing for sure, I think most rental places in Gilford would be part of an HOA where there would already be rules and an enforcement process. I'm thinking about places like Lake Shore Park, Winnstock and Broadview. Other places, such as described by Tilton BB seem just fine as is. Loud party music is just (unfortunately) a current fact whether it be nightclubs, parties or wake boats.

Oh, for the peaceful times when you just carried a boom box on your shoulder.
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Without knowing for sure, I think most rental places in Gilford would be part of an HOA where there would already be rules and an enforcement process. I'm thinking about places like Lake Shore Park, Winnstock and Broadview. Other places, such as described by Tilton BB seem just fine as is. Loud party music is just (unfortunately) a current fact whether it be nightclubs, parties or wake boats.

Oh, for the peaceful times when you just carried a boom box on your shoulder.
LSP rules are NO renting. Now saying that I would be very surprised that people aren't
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We have a year round home that we don't rent. We try to be up every weekend, hopefully to retire in the future. People near us rent their house on BNB website. It sucks, the majority of time it is a younger crowd who could care less about the rules, I am tolerant person but its getting old. YMMV.
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Just curious. If Gilford does implement rules on short-term rentals, would it apply to all zones or just residential?
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Depends on what the regulation states.
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Jeb Bradley is sponsoring a new bill regarding this. You might want to look into it.
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https://legiscan.com/NH/text/SB249/2022
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Having now read the link--separate from this specific issue--these laws where states limit what towns can do (or the feds limit what states can do) really bug me. It's one thing if it's some big fundamental issue, like the right to vote or other constitutional stuff. But why should someone in Concord be telling a town what is or is not right for that town on something as mundane as short term rentals. Furthermore--why do they even care about this at a state level?

I wrote before that as someone who rented short term for years (decades), I think they are generally good. But this whole thing looks like AirBnB and other big business interests pressuring towns via the state. F them
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Having now read the link--separate from this specific issue--these laws where states limit what towns can do (or the feds limit what states can do) really bug me. It's one thing if it's some big fundamental issue, like the right to vote or other constitutional stuff. But why should someone in Concord be telling a town what is or is not right for that town on something as mundane as short term rentals. Furthermore--why do they even care about this at a state level?

I wrote before that as someone who rented short term for years (decades), I think they are generally good. But this whole thing looks like AirBnB and other big business interests pressuring towns via the state. F them
I don't think the State or City would really care if there was an abundance of affordable workforce housing... Unfortunately, there is a huge shortage of affordable housing and short term/airbnb/vrbo investors gobble up what little inventory is left thus driving the prices even higher. While it might be financially beneficial to an investor, the neighborhood pays the price.

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Supposedly he is trying to make amend it.
But the problem isn't a group of State Senators... elected officials are running smack into a labor housing shortage.
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Circumventing becomes a sport at this point:

ďSorry, we no longer do weekly rentals to multiple families in the same house. If youíre going to rent this place, itís very important that you book at least 1 month and that you are all the same family. I can only take payment from one of you.

(But feel free to collect $ from your friends,er, I mean family and you can check out a 3 weeks early with no penalty

PS: We have a car you can borrow. It gives the neighborhood a more permanent look. The neighbors like the appearance of less turnover. Enjoy your whole summer, er, week long vacation!


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If the permit rules say "three strikes and you lose the permit", can I just complain about my neighbor three times and he's out of business? Of course, the Selectmen can hold a hearing, but they are a non-judicial body, and getting on their schedule may take weeks. This sort of plan needs a lot of thought and can easily get way too complicated. And the PD doesn't want to be in a position of deciding which party is TOO rowdy, and which is OK.

I do have a friend in another part of the state who rents his own home occasionally. It is quite large and has significant land. The town rules limit the total number of people allowed on site for any reason. No events, no weddings, no fireworks, etc. It's pretty easy for the property host to count heads. If you rent Sunday to Saturday, there are no Saturday parties.
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I think the Newspaper article does a great job of describing the issue and has a fair analysis of both sides of it.....

It doesn't rely on assumptions like "only non-residents do it" I suspect that's not the case. "They are already violating the zoning" when the document provided only says to check your own town ordinances to find that out - and no one has provided any Town ordinance that shows this is true in Gilford. And so on, and so on......

If this waits until the end of the year, and the State enacts essentially the same law mid-year, this might be a good way to spell-out Gilford's control of these rentals. Whatever it looks like in the end will, if nothing else, be spelled out and everybody can work from the same playbook...

Some have said that enforcement of all of this after the dust settles may-well be an issue and I agree. You full-timers would know your own police better than anybody. This is going to be the key to whether or not everyone can live with all of this harmoniously. I know nothing about the Law enforcement in Gilford but have no reason to believe that they can't pull it off. I hope so, anyway. They not only have to exercise discretion for small violations, but they should also not hesitate to revoke the permit for repeat offenders...

Thanks to all. This has been a very informative discussion....
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You don't seem to understand what a ''resident'' is.
I am a resident of the State, but not a resident of Gilford.

The threat to elected officials are those that represent the residents of each specific district; and the threat of a lost election does not bother elected officials that do not intend to seek re-election.

And if you read local papers and expressed opinions, facing that electorate is a no-win situation on this issue.
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I was only indicating that the blanket statement that primary-home residents don't offer their property for STR is just not so. It is the base assumption offered by others that everything else flows from. There are as may different owner situations as there are places to rent. Like Descant, I know someone who rents out their primary residence - of a house in a town they are RESIDENTS of.

Just pointing out that all of this isn't just a money-maker for out-of-towners. In some cases it helps people meet their living needs. And as long as the housing prices keep rising, taxes keep going-up and "ahem" some of us are getting older, the STR thing becomes an option for some to retain their homes on the most beautiful place in the world.

Those of us that live here full-time are lucky. To give up the place you love because your fixed income can no longer support your home is hard. It is a privilege to live where we live. If I ever get to that place where i am living on the edge of affordability, I would look at the option myself. I don't want to leave here...
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I was only indicating that the blanket statement that primary-home residents don't offer their property for STR is just not so. It is the base assumption offered by others that everything else flows from. There are as may different owner situations as there are places to rent. Like Descant, I know someone who rents out their primary residence - of a house in a town they are RESIDENTS of.

Just pointing out that all of this isn't just a money-maker for out-of-towners. In some cases it helps people meet their living needs. And as long as the housing prices keep rising, taxes keep going-up and "ahem" some of us are getting older, the STR thing becomes an option for some to retain their homes on the most beautiful place in the world.

Those of us that live here full-time are lucky. To give up the place you love because your fixed income can no longer support your home is hard. It is a privilege to live where we live. If I ever get to that place where i am living on the edge of affordability, I would look at the option myself. I don't want to leave here...
We lived in upstate NY near Saratoga and there were many people in the town that would rent their home during the 8 week racing session in Jul and Aug, often to the same people year in and year out. They made enough in rental fees to pay their annual property taxes and the cost of their rental wherever it was.
I do agree most homeowners do not rent their primary residence for short term rentals, never say never.

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I was only indicating that the blanket statement that primary-home residents don't offer their property for STR is just not so. It is the base assumption offered by others that everything else flows from. There are as may different owner situations as there are places to rent. Like Descant, I know someone who rents out their primary residence - of a house in a town they are RESIDENTS of.

Just pointing out that all of this isn't just a money-maker for out-of-towners. In some cases it helps people meet their living needs. And as long as the housing prices keep rising, taxes keep going-up and "ahem" some of us are getting older, the STR thing becomes an option for some to retain their homes on the most beautiful place in the world.

Those of us that live here full-time are lucky. To give up the place you love because your fixed income can no longer support your home is hard. It is a privilege to live where we live. If I ever get to that place where i am living on the edge of affordability, I would look at the option myself. I don't want to leave here...
Primary home people do rent their homes for STR... some for rooms... like an actual B&B. But more as a LTR.
Some homeowners would rent their home out to escape Bike Week, but those were almost always in the areas that a zoned commercial/resort, or similar, that I previously spoke of.
These are not in any danger of local regulation. In fact, these are why local regulations are so hard to tailor. The State of NH wouldn't need any new legislation to protect those.
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I respect your opinion, but even when offered as a fact (without support), it is an opinion. You may not think so, but there are homeowners with primary residences that rent their homes as a room, some rent LTR, and some as STRs. This is a fact even if it doesn't fit your narrative.

BTW the guy 5 houses away from me (his primary residence, but he has a second home) Rents STR for only 2 weeks each Summer. It's a nice set-up with a dock and 5 BRs. People bring their own watercraft, and they use the on-property paddleboards and kayaks (which scares me from a liability insurance issue, but that's off-topic). He gets an incredible $12,800 a week. It more than pays his taxes and insurance, and he gets to enjoy his home the rest of the year. Yes, people like this exist. Again, there are as many STR situations as there are rentals to choose on AirBNB and VRBO. There are no absolute descriptions.
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I stated that some primary homeowners do rent rooms as STR, but more as LTR.
That is simply a fact of the market.

Homeowners can take on roommates just as easily as someone renting a home without a no sublet agreement can take on a roommate.

My narrative is that all these things have been happening in this are for at least the last five and a half decades that I've been alive; before there was ever any zoning, permitting, or even paying Meals & Room tax.

Something changed... and the narrative is that more of it is happening than before and something that was less perceived has now become more perceived. The government response has been steady steps toward waylaying the local outcry... and that is also fact that can be determined by the slow steady progression of the rules/regulation/taxation.

And the political fallout from that slow progression...
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In regard to the Conway lawsuit, the judge had ruled in favor of the rental owners.
STRs are not a violation of the Conway zoning.
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Zoning is fluid. The wording that exists today can be amended.

Each municipality is going to have to decide the fate of its commercial motel/hotel/B&B operations.

Laconia, for the most part, has already taken the hit... most of them in the Weirs section are gone. I think they only have the Naswa and Margate?

Meredith and Gilford are the ones that have to make the big decision.
It is why I think that Rusty was lucky to sell Church Landing, and shouldn't invest in the Gunstock project. Church Landing is taxes to Meredith, and the Gunstock project is taxes to Gilford; but I don't see the ROI for the investors that is worth the risk.
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Laconia, for the most part, has already taken the hit... most of them in the Weirs section are gone. I think they only have the Naswa and Margate?.
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Thanks for the correction... it was sort of why I had the question mark.

I know we have some big jobs for the Weirs section, and I think that they may have the option of STR for them. They seem very modern functional; which is different than the designs that I get requested to do for most primary home owners.
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The motels in the weirs went condo because of the amount of money the former motel owner can make selling them as Condos, it had nothing to do with people buying them to rent them as airbnb. Surely that's not what you are saying.
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The State Senate had a hearing on January 25th on the bill regarding short term rentals submitted by Senator Harold French. At the hearing, Senator French offered amendments to the bill.

Senator French has done some good things and is very responsive to input from Citizens. He seems to be a real "common sense" guy.

I asked him to submit legislation a couple of years ago and he was receptive and interested. He made some suggestions about the language, attended the hearings and testified for the bill, and the bill was passed.

Back to the subject at hand: The short term rental bill amendment would allow communities to adopt ordinances to have an inspection of the premises to ensure it meets minimum housing standards.

From The Laconia Sun:

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Old 01-26-2022, 10:12 PM   #36
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The motels in the weirs went condo because of the amount of money the former motel owner can make selling them as Condos, it had nothing to do with people buying them to rent them as airbnb. Surely that's not what you are saying.
People don't move from an STR like a motel, to go back to an STR in most cases.
Motels close for various reasons... retirement of the owners and no one willing to take over the business, etc. But competition plays a role, at a certain point an STR regardless of type may not be able to compete with another STR regardless of type... the market moves. Changing a property to another format is always an option; but that would be because the motel wasn't as profitable against the competition which held the profits down.

If someone would have told me three years ago that black/black windows would be the hot item in my line of work - I would laughed so hard I would need a doctor. Currently, it is rare that the customer is not looking for black/black windows. The companies that do black/black well... with the right price point... they are doing very well. Three years from now what will be the demand... I have no idea... but the same can be stated for STR, condos, or really any market segment.

As the market moves, the companies that do it best survive and prosper, those that don't... tend to die a death one way or the other.
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The motels in the weirs went condo because of the amount of money the former motel owner can make selling them as Condos, it had nothing to do with people buying them to rent them as airbnb. Surely that's not what you are saying.
Disagree. I bought a motel to condo conversion in 1980 specifically for STR. Many of the other buyers at the time did the same. Yes, the owners wanted to retire and move, and, as with many other Weirs motels, to continue running it as a "modern" motel would have cost a lot more than they, or a business buyer, could make back in a few years. Some of my first tenants were people who had rented from the motel in the past. They looked around and decided that motels weren't going to be around for long and bought conversions as well. Used it for a few weeks and rent the rest of the time. The catch was, Gunstock had no snowmaking then and also that year, no natural snow. Nobody wanted to rent winter short term. In a couple of years, the price doubled, so I sold it. Prices have continued to climb and I believe many of those units are STR because people have mortgages and much higher taxes.
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Cherry Valley?
I know Cedar Lodge went condo so the owners could recapture capital, and it is still STR... but I didn't know there were others. I thought most went timeshare.
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Disagree. I bought a motel to condo conversion in 1980 specifically for STR. Many of the other buyers at the time did the same. Yes, the owners wanted to retire and move, and, as with many other Weirs motels, to continue running it as a "modern" motel would have cost a lot more than they, or a business buyer, could make back in a few years. Some of my first tenants were people who had rented from the motel in the past. They looked around and decided that motels weren't going to be around for long and bought conversions as well. Used it for a few weeks and rent the rest of the time. The catch was, Gunstock had no snowmaking then and also that year, no natural snow. Nobody wanted to rent winter short term. In a couple of years, the price doubled, so I sold it. Prices have continued to climb and I believe many of those units are STR because people have mortgages and much higher taxes.
I don't doubt your situation, however, it has been talked about on here at length about how the motels of the weirs going condo negatively impacted area businesses because of the lower utilization rates of condo owners vs motel renters. Now that Short term rentals are being discussed in a negative way, you are suggesting and twisting it in way that people sold their motels as condos so people could rerent them on VRBO. And that somehow the VRBO rental in a former motel is somehow worse since gunstock now makes snow. That is downright comical and just shows the internet never fails that someone can twist anything to serve their opinion.
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A judge just denied the attempt in North Conway to ban short-term rentals that are not owner-occupied. Just came across WMUR.
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I don't doubt your situation, however, it has been talked about on here at length about how the motels of the weirs going condo negatively impacted area businesses because of the lower utilization rates of condo owners vs motel renters. Now that Short term rentals are being discussed in a negative way, you are suggesting and twisting it in way that people sold their motels as condos so people could rerent them on VRBO. And that somehow the VRBO rental in a former motel is somehow worse since gunstock now makes snow. That is downright comical and just shows the internet never fails that someone can twist anything to serve their opinion.
I would state that some surmised that the motels going condo hurt local business more from the fact that the condos generally provide a means to prepare a meal without dining out. It really does not seem to be the situation. Some restaurants have struggled and closed, while others seem to thrive through the changes.
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It's almost like some of these businesses were STR.
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...cIntyre+Circle
BTW, the Mart moved across from the airport, where Tractor Supply is now.
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Businesses have come and gone, but it generally isn't related to tourism.

The numbers that the State has put out for about the last decade were around $6 billion in economic activity from tourism, and anywhere from 75 to 85 percent being from residents of the State.

They see that in everything from snowmobiling on through... snowmobiling/OHRVs just give them a greater sense of the number because we don't have reciprocal registration; so the accounting is a little more accurate.

Oddly, they have public outcry in the STR (rentals) in that category also.

So more long term residents to the area, regardless of having a kitchen, is really what supports these businesses.

Same thing happens in our business... new build currently has control, but I still need to focus on the renovations/repairs that homeowners DYI... because the economy will slow, and they are the long term customer that keeps the business running; that is why I like the small old camps and cottages.
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Here it is - passed by NH Legislature
Can't outlaw them
But you can Regulate the hell out of them


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A bill to ban municipalities from enacting zoning that would prohibit short-term rentals passed on a voice vote. Proponents of SB 249 pointed to the economic importance of tourism in the state. Sen. Rebecca Perkins Kwoka, a Portsmouth Democrat, spoke against the bill. Given the impact short-term rentals have on the price and availability of housing in the state, she said municipalities should be able to pass local regulations to address the issue in their own community.

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Docket seems to only be the NH Senate.
Nothing on the NH House or Governor.

And could be subject to repeal next session after the election if enacted.
So it still has a ways to go.
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Will probably go in the end..
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Maybe. But it is easier to get through the 24 Senators than it is the 400 House members.

Especially when it took three voice votes and an amendment to get through the Senate.
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One voice vote - the only vote.

Love voice votes, means overwhelming "Yea"

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill...2064&inflect=2
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See the 3rdg... that means three readings.
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Hmmmmm

Intro to pass in less than 45 days on a single amendment and single (voice) vote... Didn't look like a lot of resistance to me.

Good point on what happens in the House... We'll see.

Sununu won't be an issue
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You do realize a pass in the commitee which has schedule that has to be met so the bill can move to the Senate - also not the only bill that committee works on.


And you actually see two VV in your listing. One for the amendment and one for the recommendation of the bill with the amendment.

You keep saying one voice vote... when even your link shows two. But they never record votes on the motion as VV just as further readings.

And it ended up on the regular calendar.

That is for a bill proposed by the committee chair. Who was the one that most likely entered the motion to amend in the first place after suffering backlash by his constituents.
He had a 3-2 vote before even going to amendment.
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You're right. Actually, three affirmative votes, not one.

On Feb 10th, affirmative 5-0

https://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/Sen...010%202022.pdf
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Point also well taken we'll see if it is embraced as much in the House as the Senate. We'll have to see.

I still see that there's a compromise in there that should be OK with everybody in the end....
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He had three affirmatives prior to the vote... even prior to the amendment.
The amendment after the third reading must have been enough to get everyone on board.

What I normally saw in the past; laws meant to cover the entire State generally run into larger debates.

The one NHOHVA got through the House Transportation Committee on a 24-0 vote, got killed on the floor. When they went back again, they moved that only Coos county would be involved... didn't pass the House Transport unanimously that time, but went through even on the floor.

The committees are a slice of the State... so things don't always go as expected.
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See the 3rdg... that means three readings.
Actually, since all legislators can read now, there is no 3rd reading. At the end of the day, there is a third reading motion, "by which all bills are hereby read a third time", among other things. Same with the first two readings at different times in the legislative process.
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So it automatically goes to 3rdg? Interesting.

I have never sat in their Executive Meeting, not sure if anyone from the public can, so my presumption was that each time the wording in a motion was changed it had to be re-read.

I know that Hosmer talked to French to get the bill amended to match Laconia more closely... that was in the paper.
But I think that Hosmer, like French, has a little more interest in seeing the bill pass than their constituents.

Especially since Laconia adopted their position without any need for new legislation.
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