Go Back   Winnipesaukee Forum > Winnipesaukee Forums > Automotive
Home Forums Gallery Blogs YouTube Channel Classifieds Calendar Register FAQDonate Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-10-2022, 03:25 PM   #1
MeredithMan
Senior Member
 
MeredithMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Bedford, NH; Meredith, NH
Posts: 805
Thanks: 224
Thanked 732 Times in 286 Posts
Default Welcome to Vermont!

So some of you may recall a prior post I put up back in the Springtime about my son moving to Vermont and looking for a place to live. Ultimately, that was sorted out and he moved in to a great place in Rutland and has been enjoying his job at GE and getting to know his new surroundings.

Back in March, not yet having secured the GE job in VT, but knowing he would need a car upon graduation, he bought a new Honda Pilot SUV here in NH. He registered it in NH, since he anticipated living with his mom and me. He got the GE VT job, moved over there, and last week finally went to register the car in VT. Much to his surprise, (and to mine and his mother's), he had to fork over $2400 in VT state sales tax on the car in order to register it!! (6% sales tax X $40K value).

He told the DMV person that he didn't try to pull a fast one by buying the car in "no sales tax NH"...he was actually living here and didn't know he would end up in VT and that it was completely unfair to pay VT sales tax when nothing about his car purchase had anything to do with VT. He ended up maxing out his two credit cards in order to pay the sales tax! The DMV person said they give you credit for the sales tax you paid in the previous state where you bought the car, but since NH doesn't have a sales tax, "you have to pay ".

The rules are the rules, but it's really outrageous!
MeredithMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2022, 03:30 PM   #2
thinkxingu
Senior Member
 
thinkxingu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 5,575
Thanks: 1,121
Thanked 1,785 Times in 1,101 Posts
Default

How long does that requirement exist, and why not keep it registered in NH until then?

Sent from my SM-G990U1 using Tapatalk
thinkxingu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2022, 03:45 PM   #3
tis
Senior Member
 
tis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,867
Thanks: 638
Thanked 1,239 Times in 856 Posts
Default

You have to pay the sales tax in Fl too if you register a NH purchased car there. On the other hand if you buy a car in Fl and register it in NH you don't pay the sales tax.
tis is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to tis For This Useful Post:
The Real BigGuy (10-11-2022)
Old 10-10-2022, 03:51 PM   #4
Outdoorsman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 802
Thanks: 103
Thanked 192 Times in 125 Posts
Default

Over time it will work out to be about the same $ as it would cost him to continue registering in NH. His annual registration in VT will be something like $70 VS $300+ that he could be paying in NH.

Also notable, when he files his VT State Tax Return, there is a line on the form for him to claim/pay the 6% VT sales tax on items he bought in NH. Examples would be furniture, household appliances or a lawn mower....
Outdoorsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2022, 03:54 PM   #5
MeredithMan
Senior Member
 
MeredithMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Bedford, NH; Meredith, NH
Posts: 805
Thanks: 224
Thanked 732 Times in 286 Posts
Default he's there for at least two years...

He has a two year commitment to GE in Rutland, as they gave him a relo pkg and he's in an Engineering Development Program. After two years, he can either stay there, or transfer to a different GE facility. Since it was that length of time, we decided he should play by the rules and get a VT driver's license, register to vote, register his car, get it insured there, etc.

I suppose we could have kept everything under the radar and kept his car registered and insured in NH, but we've always tried to do things above board. And, if there were ever an accident, the ins co could refuse to pay since the car was not "garaged" in NH.
MeredithMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 10-10-2022, 04:15 PM   #6
thinkxingu
Senior Member
 
thinkxingu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 5,575
Thanks: 1,121
Thanked 1,785 Times in 1,101 Posts
Default

I applaud your integrity. The world could use more of that, for sure.

Sent from my SM-G990U1 using Tapatalk
thinkxingu is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to thinkxingu For This Useful Post:
baerkjkr (10-11-2022), Biggd (10-10-2022), FlyingScot (10-10-2022), mcdude (10-10-2022), Merrymeeting (10-11-2022), Slickcraft (10-10-2022)
Old 10-10-2022, 07:08 PM   #7
TiltonBB
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Gilford, NH and Florida
Posts: 2,630
Thanks: 525
Thanked 1,959 Times in 811 Posts
Default

Some states have a time limit after which the sales tax will not apply on transferred in vehicles.

After a certain amount of time you can move your NH registered vehicle to another state, like Florida, and there is no sales tax due. I believe the current Florida law states that no sales tax is due if you register the car in Florida after 6 months in another state.

I am not sure what Vermont's law is but it may have been worth asking the question.
TiltonBB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2022, 07:15 PM   #8
thinkxingu
Senior Member
 
thinkxingu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 5,575
Thanks: 1,121
Thanked 1,785 Times in 1,101 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MeredithMan View Post
So some of you may recall a prior post I put up back in the Springtime about my son moving to Vermont and looking for a place to live. Ultimately, that was sorted out and he moved in to a great place in Rutland and has been enjoying his job at GE and getting to know his new surroundings.

Back in March, not yet having secured the GE job in VT, but knowing he would need a car upon graduation, he bought a new Honda Pilot SUV here in NH. He registered it in NH, since he anticipated living with his mom and me. He got the GE VT job, moved over there, and last week finally went to register the car in VT. Much to his surprise, (and to mine and his mother's), he had to fork over $2400 in VT state sales tax on the car in order to register it!! (6% sales tax X $40K value).

He told the DMV person that he didn't try to pull a fast one by buying the car in "no sales tax NH"...he was actually living here and didn't know he would end up in VT and that it was completely unfair to pay VT sales tax when nothing about his car purchase had anything to do with VT. He ended up maxing out his two credit cards in order to pay the sales tax! The DMV person said they give you credit for the sales tax you paid in the previous state where you bought the car, but since NH doesn't have a sales tax, "you have to pay ".

The rules are the rules, but it's really outrageous!
It looks like it would have to have been at least three years, which is crazy.



Sent from my SM-G990U1 using Tapatalk
thinkxingu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2022, 09:13 PM   #9
TheTimeTraveler
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 725
Thanks: 225
Thanked 228 Times in 136 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TiltonBB View Post
Some states have a time limit after which the sales tax will not apply on transferred in vehicles.

After a certain amount of time you can move your NH registered vehicle to another state, like Florida, and there is no sales tax due. I believe the current Florida law states that no sales tax is due if you register the car in Florida after 6 months in another state.

I am not sure what Vermont's law is but it may have been worth asking the question.
I also recall hearing something like the 6 month rule.......
TheTimeTraveler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2022, 03:15 AM   #10
thinkxingu
Senior Member
 
thinkxingu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 5,575
Thanks: 1,121
Thanked 1,785 Times in 1,101 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler View Post
I also recall hearing something like the 6 month rule.......
See my response, just above.

Sent from my SM-G990U1 using Tapatalk
thinkxingu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2022, 05:53 AM   #11
TiltonBB
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Gilford, NH and Florida
Posts: 2,630
Thanks: 525
Thanked 1,959 Times in 811 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thinkxingu View Post
See my response, just above.

Sent from my SM-G990U1 using Tapatalk
It looks like the three years may not even apply since it says it must have been registered for three years or more "in a jurisdiction that imposes a state sales tax". That would not include New Hampshire.

There are only 5 states that do not have a state sales tax: Delaware, Alaska, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon.

The catch all phrase that is in the sales tax law in most states is "sales or use tax". That way even if the sale did not occur in that state they can still tax you.
TiltonBB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2022, 06:33 AM   #12
Little Bear
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 537
Thanks: 90
Thanked 212 Times in 111 Posts
Default

A few years ago I bought a new-to-me boat for my place in Florida. When I tried to register it in Florida, they asked if I had purchased it more than 6 months prior, which I had not. Therefore, they wanted me to pay a 6% sales tax, which amounted to $7200.00. I walked out, contacted the State of NH and registered it here for less than $400.00. I feel zero guilt. I then bought a brand new (2nd boat) in Florida for a different mission. I again registered it in NH, and again feel zero guilt.
Little Bear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2022, 06:45 AM   #13
BroadHopper
Senior Member
 
BroadHopper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Laconia NH
Posts: 5,396
Thanks: 2,965
Thanked 1,059 Times in 760 Posts
Default Massachusetts

Decades ago I moved to Dracut Mass from NH. I also had to pay sales tax on vehicles to get them registered. The tax was based on the Nadaguide value of the car which is non-negotiable in case the vehicle is a piece of junk compared to pristine.
So Mass. and VT. are pretty much in line. Not sure about Maine. I never heard any complaints.
I know if you bought a vehicle from Mass. and live in NH. You must sign the title and register in an NH town hall to escape the sales tax. weird.
__________________
Someday may never be an actual day.
BroadHopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2022, 07:18 AM   #14
SAMIAM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Moultonborough
Posts: 2,756
Thanks: 285
Thanked 1,548 Times in 527 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Little Bear View Post
A few years ago I bought a new-to-me boat for my place in Florida. When I tried to register it in Florida, they asked if I had purchased it more than 6 months prior, which I had not. Therefore, they wanted me to pay a 6% sales tax, which amounted to $7200.00. I walked out, contacted the State of NH and registered it here for less than $400.00. I feel zero guilt. I then bought a brand new (2nd boat) in Florida for a different mission. I again registered it in NH, and again feel zero guilt.
Same here Little Bear
Bought a boat in Kentucky and avoided the tax by having it shipped to Florida but registered in NH. Absolutely 0 quilt. We pay our share of taxes in many other ways
SAMIAM is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to SAMIAM For This Useful Post:
Little Bear (10-11-2022)
Old 10-11-2022, 07:53 AM   #15
Garcia
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 521
Thanks: 112
Thanked 233 Times in 146 Posts
Default

It is highly doubtful anyone will be called on boat registration. If you live in another state, you can legally register your boat in NH if it is used 51% of the time in NH. In FL, a boat from another state can be used no more than 90 days, and in MA for no more than 60 days.

Paying sales tax on used vehicles in MA irks me. Multiple people are paying sales tax on the same vehicle; every time it is registered to a new owner, sales tax is paid.
Garcia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2022, 10:01 AM   #16
thinkxingu
Senior Member
 
thinkxingu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 5,575
Thanks: 1,121
Thanked 1,785 Times in 1,101 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TiltonBB View Post
It looks like the three years may not even apply since it says it must have been registered for three years or more "in a jurisdiction that imposes a state sales tax". That would not include New Hampshire.

There are only 5 states that do not have a state sales tax: Delaware, Alaska, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon.

The catch all phrase that is in the sales tax law in most states is "sales or use tax". That way even if the sale did not occur in that state they can still tax you.
Absolutely right—that's horse pucky.

Sent from my SM-G990U1 using Tapatalk
thinkxingu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2022, 11:36 AM   #17
TiltonBB
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Gilford, NH and Florida
Posts: 2,630
Thanks: 525
Thanked 1,959 Times in 811 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Garcia View Post
It is highly doubtful anyone will be called on boat registration. If you live in another state, you can legally register your boat in NH if it is used 51% of the time in NH. In FL, a boat from another state can be used no more than 90 days, and in MA for no more than 60 days.

Paying sales tax on used vehicles in MA irks me. Multiple people are paying sales tax on the same vehicle; every time it is registered to a new owner, sales tax is paid.
Many years ago I kept a boat at Beverly Harbor Marina in Massachusetts. The agents from The Mass Department of Revenue would walk the docks and make note of out of state registered boats. If your boat was there after 60 days elapsed they would notify you that the sales (or use) tax was due.

The big brother situation will get way better just as soon as the 87,000 new IRS agents are hired!
TiltonBB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2022, 11:50 AM   #18
FlyingScot
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Tuftonboro and Sudbury, MA
Posts: 2,011
Thanks: 1,001
Thanked 853 Times in 526 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TiltonBB View Post
Many years ago I kept a boat at Beverly Harbor Marina in Massachusetts. The agents from The Mass Department of Revenue would walk the docks and make note of out of state registered boats. If your boat was there after 60 days elapsed they would notify you that the sales (or use) tax was due.

The big brother situation will get way better just as soon as the 87,000 new IRS agents are hired!
I'm surprised Florida does not have this. Separate from whether these taxes should exist--if the rules aren't enforced, it's not fair to the people trying to do the right thing (as the OP was).

After a couple of generations, you end up with only "stupid" people paying taxes. This made news several years ago during the Greek financial crisis
FlyingScot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2022, 12:13 PM   #19
Little Bear
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 537
Thanks: 90
Thanked 212 Times in 111 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingScot View Post
I'm surprised Florida does not have this. Separate from whether these taxes should exist--if the rules aren't enforced, it's not fair to the people trying to do the right thing (as the OP was).

After a couple of generations, you end up with only "stupid" people paying taxes. This made news several years ago during the Greek financial crisis
I learned from the former Senator from Taxachusetts...

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna38378992
Little Bear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2022, 12:36 PM   #20
The Real BigGuy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 914
Thanks: 81
Thanked 328 Times in 192 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Outdoorsman View Post
Over time it will work out to be about the same $ as it would cost him to continue registering in NH. His annual registration in VT will be something like $70 VS $300+ that he could be paying in NH.

Also notable, when he files his VT State Tax Return, there is a line on the form for him to claim/pay the 6% VT sales tax on items he bought in NH. Examples would be furniture, household appliances or a lawn mower....
I bet a lot of people check the box and pay the 6%

MA has the same line on its tax forms. I rush to calculate how much I owe the state, NOT!!!


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app
The Real BigGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2022, 01:10 PM   #21
MeredithMan
Senior Member
 
MeredithMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Bedford, NH; Meredith, NH
Posts: 805
Thanks: 224
Thanked 732 Times in 286 Posts
Default Thank you for the kind words...

Quote:
Originally Posted by thinkxingu View Post
I applaud your integrity. The world could use more of that, for sure.

Sent from my SM-G990U1 using Tapatalk
I had a great teacher in my father. He always taught us to do the right thing, even when no one is looking. One time when I was a kid...about 12 or 13...he took me to a Bruins game. The people in front of us left before the end of the game, and as we were leaving, my father noticed a wallet either on the seat or under the seat in front of us. He found the guy's license in the wallet and he lived somewhere in Dorchester. My father grew up in Southie and knew approximately where the guy lived, so we drove to the guy's house to return the wallet. We lived out in the western suburbs, so it wasn't exactly on our ride home. I thought the guy was gonna kiss my father...he insisted my father take some cash for being so kind and honest, which my father refused to do.

He would have been 103 yesterday. He made it to almost 90, and I still think about him pretty much every day.
MeredithMan is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to MeredithMan For This Useful Post:
Biggd (10-13-2022), FlyingScot (10-12-2022), KennyFromBoston (10-13-2022)
Old 10-12-2022, 01:53 PM   #22
Garcia
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 521
Thanks: 112
Thanked 233 Times in 146 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MeredithMan View Post
I had a great teacher in my father. He always taught us to do the right thing, even when no one is looking. One time when I was a kid...about 12 or 13...he took me to a Bruins game. The people in front of us left before the end of the game, and as we were leaving, my father noticed a wallet either on the seat or under the seat in front of us. He found the guy's license in the wallet and he lived somewhere in Dorchester. My father grew up in Southie and knew approximately where the guy lived, so we drove to the guy's house to return the wallet. We lived out in the western suburbs, so it wasn't exactly on our ride home. I thought the guy was gonna kiss my father...he insisted my father take some cash for being so kind and honest, which my father refused to do.

He would have been 103 yesterday. He made it to almost 90, and I still think about him pretty much every day.
I wasn't going to respond to some of the earlier posts but you struck a nerve. I, too was raised to do the right thing and try and make sure I send the same message to my own children. What your son did in transferring the vehicle to VT was the right thing to do.
Garcia is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:41 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

This page was generated in 0.49913 seconds