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Old 11-06-2012, 07:41 AM   #301
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As for where Mr. Romney will be watching the returns -- we are down here in Florida, and I did hear on one of the political shows over this past weekend that he will be at their home in Wolfeboro! The Romneys no longer own a home in Belmont. Does anyone know if there are extra news crews setting up in Wolfeboro? That would surely be an indication of where he will be.
Hope not I have to drive by there to get to the job.
Beside these politicians don't want to be in a small out of the way town like Wolfeboro.
There just is not enough people around to pat them on the back win, loose or draw.
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It appears now he will be in Boston for the returns. At least he is "home".
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As for where Mr. Romney will be watching the returns -- we are down here in Florida, and I did hear on one of the political shows over this past weekend that he will be at their home in Wolfeboro! The Romneys no longer own a home in Belmont. Does anyone know if there are extra news crews setting up in Wolfeboro? That would surely be an indication of where he will be.
He's voting in Belmont this morning, then flying off to campaign in two other states (I believe one is PA), then returning to watch the returns at the convention center in Boston. I can see the convention center from my office, there is a ring of satellite trucks surrounding it - since at least yesterday. And they've announced that they're closing down a number of streets this afternoon and there will be no parking in that area.
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We won't have to speculate tomorrow (hopefully ).

Looking forward to a late night tonight and a fantastic day tomorrow!
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If he loves it here so much, why is his house for sale?
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That's because -- IT ISN"T FOR SALE !!!!
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Romney just drove by my office, to and from voting!!

Here we go MITT!!!!
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If he loves it here so much, why is his house for sale?
Where did that come from?
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Where did that come from?
Just more lies a false propaganda!
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Although it will be inconvenient, I think it will be very good for the town of Wolfeboro and the area.
Having been in the middle of a similar election winner settling in The South, the folks of Wolfeboro might not be able to grasp at just how much Wolfeboro will change!

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There have been some subtle improvements made at the formerly-Wolfeboro Airpark, nothing which could support fixed-wing aircraft, but certainly could support a helicopter.
The Airpark always could support a helicopter: a heliport was a feature for many years. With the next President needing an incredible amount of ancillary equipment, I'd expect the new owners of the Airpark property to lend their full support.
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Having been in the middle of a similar election winner settling in The South, the folks of Wolfeboro might not be able to grasp at just how much Wolfeboro will change!


The Airpark always could support a helicopter: a heliport was a feature for many years. With the next President needing an incredible amount of ancillary equipment, I'd expect the new owners of the Airpark property to lend their full support.

Of course the Marriotts will do all they can to help him. They are friends.
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So...what happens now that he didn't win? I suppose the security will remain at least what it was this summer.
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So...what happens now that he didn't win? I suppose the security will remain at least what it was this summer.
Not unless he pays for it himself. X Presidents get covered, not X candidates.
He's now plain old Willard of Wolfeboro.
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No security, no press, no crowds. Mitt will have a simple life as a private citizen.

No impact on the lake at all.

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I thought his lake house was on the market. One of our members posted a link to it last yer (or the year before?).

So technicaly my remark was a "false lie." I only thought it was the truth!
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I guess the new question is; "what happens to the lake now that Romney lost"
Is it business as usual?
I am sure gas prices will still be in the $4 dollar range come next summer.
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I am sure gas prices will still be in the $4 dollar range come next summer.
I'm betting on closer to $5 and probably over that
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I guess the new question is; "what happens to the lake now that Romney lost"
Is it business as usual?
I am sure gas prices will still be in the $4 dollar range come next summer.
Rising income tax rates and the possible exemption of the second home mortgage interest deduction could also have a chilling impact on the vacation home marketplace in the lakes region. Someone will need to pay for all of the federal spending at some point.
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I thought his lake house was on the market. One of our members posted a link to it last yer (or the year before?).

So technicaly my remark was a "false lie." I only thought it was the truth!
I think you may be thinking of the discussion of Appe's house being for sale and the rumor that Romney might move into it for easier protection is elected.

I hate to think what the next four years will bring. I am hoping for the best but cannot see anything good coming of this election on all fronts. I hope I am so wrong.
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I think you may be thinking of the discussion of Appe's house being for sale and the rumor that Romney might move into it for easier protection is elected.

I hate to think what the next four years will bring. I am hoping for the best but cannot see anything good coming of this election on all fronts. I hope I am so wrong.
You are.

I would like to congratulate President Obama for getting the opportunity to be President for four more years.

God Bless America!
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You are.

I would like to congratulate President Obama for getting the opportunity to be President for four more years.

God Bless America!

I am? Does that mean that Obama is going to do things differently this time, in other words not be so socialist?
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I'd just like to remind everyone that America did not vote O back into office. Almost half the country did not. I hope he got that message last night. He did not have a landslide by any stretch of the imagination and at a 50 something percent approval....he better start actually doing some work with out the partisanship crap going on in Congress.
I urge everyone starting today to contact your House and Senate Representatives if you are not happy with the way things are going in Washington. Just to remind them that THEY work for YOU. Not the other way around. The time to sit, wait and see is long over as we saw by the voter turn out and the new voter registrations yesterday. It was nice to see Americans get active in their civic duty to get out and vote.

Does anyone know the results of the Puerto Rico vote to become a State? I can't find anything on it?
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I'd just like to remind everyone that America did not vote O back into office. Almost half the country did not. I hope he got that message last night. He did not have a landslide by any stretch of the imagination and at a 50 something percent approval....he better start actually doing some work with out the partisanship crap going on in Congress.
I urge everyone starting today to contact your House and Senate Representative if you are not happy with the way things are going in Washington. Just to remind them that THEY work for YOU. Not the other way around.

Does anyone know the results of the Puerto Rico vote to become a State? I can't find anything on it?
Does it even matter if he "got the message"? For the next four years he doesn't have to be concerned about getting reelected. Now that's a scary thought...
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in all fronts, anyone else think the electoral college needs to go?
I knwo Romney did not end up winning the popular vote, but why should 9-11 states depict who runs the country, like someone from Utah, and then also RI stated, why should I even vote, my vote does not count
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Does it even matter if he "got the message"? For the next four years he doesn't have to be concerned about getting reelected. Now that's a scary thought...
Well I hope it does. He was elected. He can be unelected....Well you know what I mean.....
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in all fronts, anyone else think the electoral college needs to go?
I knwo Romney did not end up winning the popular vote, but why should 9-11 states depict who runs the country, like someone from Utah, and then also RI stated, why should I even vote, my vote does not count
The electoral college is required so that does not happen. If it did not exist then the election would be dicided by a dozen or so city centers on the coast of the country and important minorities, (for example farmers in the mid west) would have no pull and polititions would only cater to the wants and needs of the city centers. While some may say that is a good thing, certain demographics views are still important, like farmers/food supple.
I can keep going but I think you get it.
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I believe the electoral college still has value:
1) It forces candidates to pay attention to small and rural states. Without the EC a candidate could easily win the popular vote with only urban votes.

2) The EC penalizes one party states. Candidates can safely ignore states that do not have robust competition in their governments.

This country is great because we have a robust competition of ideas. We argue about them, then we vote. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. I would not want to live in a country where one side always won, even if it was my side.

Everyone knows that the other side is watching and is ready to pounce if you screw up, it keeps you on your toes.

The President knows that the next 4 years defines his legacy. He wants to turn this country around and be a success. He does not want to go in the history books as "not as bad as GWB". So he will have to make a few deals with Boehner.
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I am? Does that mean that Obama is going to do things differently this time, in other words not be so socialist?
Interesting. What has Obama done in the past four years that is "so socialist"?
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You are.

I would like to congratulate President Obama for getting the opportunity to be President for four more years.

God Bless America!
We are DOOMED.

Oh to have our only major concern be the speed limit on Winni once again. Looking back, it was like camelot! You have no idea what lies ahead....
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Dang, Gary Johnson lost.

NH voted for Obama?

I thought you people were conservative.

Is "Live Free of Die" even a viable slogan for NH any more?
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As of 11am Markets are tanking
the Dow is down 284.25 points under 13,000
Nasdaq down 59.05
S&P 500 down 27.93

GOOD JOB AMERICA!!!!
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I don't like to get too sucked into politics on these message boards so I will try to keep my statement non-partisan. ANY president who enjoys being elected to a second term, enjoys that priviledge because they are no longer concerned about job approval. Sure they want to leave a positive legacy BUT their chief concern is pushing their agenda through with a ramrod and without concern of public opinion. Their hope is then that the public will see in the following years that they were right and that will be written in history. If they are wrong they have lost nothing but historical opinion.

If you liked what a POTUS did in term one, expect that he will continue moving in that direction in high gear. If you didn't like what he was doing, expect to be VERY unhappy with what you are about to experience. Regardless, Obama is our President for 4 more years....my hope is that it was the right choice made by our citizenry and the beauty of it is it was the choice made by the citizens in the system we are currently in.

I found it interesting that if FLA with I think 30 EC votes that was won by 1% and I think WVA with 18 or 20 EC votes that was won by less than 2% had gone the other way, we'd have a new POTUS....it was a closer election than it seems based on final EC counts. We are certainly a country pretty evenly divided in what we want from our leadership.

God bless America and thank you for all that went out and voted for either candidate.
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As of 11am Markets are tanking
the Dow is down 284.25 points under 13,000
Nasdaq down 59.05
S&P 500 down 27.93

GOOD JOB AMERICA!!!!
The markest are down today primarily because of comments made by the president of the European Central Bank, not because of the U.S. election results. Wall Street guys are numbers guys, and they could read the writing on the wall from all the extensive polling data available over the last year, and especially as the election got closer. Obama's victory was already factored into the markets.
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I found it interesting that if FLA with I think 30 EC votes that was won by 1% and I think WVA with 18 or 20 EC votes that was won by less than 2% had gone the other way, we'd have a new POTUS....it was a closer election than it seems based on final EC counts. We are certainly a country pretty evenly divided in what we want from our leadership.
You mean Virginia and not West Virginia, right? West Virginia has 5 electoral votes and Virginia has 13. Florida has 29 electoral votes. Anyway, your math doesn't work. Given a situation where Obama loses Florida, Virginia and West Virginia, and the other states reflect the real results, Obama still wins with 290 electoral votes, 20 more than is needed. Even if you add Ohio to his theoretical losses, he still wins the race with 272 electoral votes.
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I'd just like to remind everyone that America did not vote O back into office.
Wow, you and I must have been watching different election results last night.
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The markest are down today primarily because of comments made by the president of the European Central Bank, not because of the U.S. election results. Wall Street guys are numbers guys, and they could read the writing on the wall from all the extensive polling data available over the last year, and especially as the election got closer. Obama's victory was already factored into the markets.
then why did the coal stocks shoot up on MOnday and Tuesday?
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then why did the coal stocks shoot up on MOnday and Tuesday?
I'm pretty sure that there were certain sectors that moved before the election based on misjudged predictions, and that there are certain sectors today that are moving based on the actual results, but as I said earlier, today's sell off should not be attributed primarily to the election.
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One of my favorite radio talk show hosts explained it like this:

"You can't vote against Santa Claus".

That explains BO's victory perfectly.
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We are certainly a country pretty evenly divided in what we want from our leadership.
Looking at the results you are correct with the above statetment.
Popular vote: Obama-60mil vs Romney-57mil, States: Obama 25 vs Romney 24, Florida will most likely go to Obama but out of the 8 million that voted 47K separates the two.

I really hope his plan is different from the last 4 years, because I am not on board with the status quo!
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One of my favorite radio talk show hosts explained it like this:

"You can't vote against Santa Claus".

That explains BO's victory perfectly.
Maybe if you prefer not to dig a little deeper and figure out what really happened.

A coalition that is based mainly on older, straight white men is an endangered political species. Hopefully the leaders of the Republican party will figure that out. If not, they will keep losing elections.

Also, a party that runs candidates who hold extreme views threatens its viability in other races, up and down the ticket and across state lines. Republican senate candidates Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock in Missouri and Indiana respectively are examples of this. Until Akin opened his mouth in August and talked about "legitimate rape," the Republicans were on track to gain control of the senate. And if Republican moderate Dick Lugar hadn't been beaten in the primary by tea party backed Mourdock (who made his own comments about rape), the Republicans very likely would have held that seat.
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Looking at the results you are correct with the above statetment.
Popular vote: Obama-60mil vs Romney-57mil, States: Obama 25 vs Romney 24, Florida will most likely go to Obama but out of the 8 million that voted 47K separates the two.
I agree, there is a deep political division within our country, but it's not something that's happened within the past few years.

I'm sure that everyone remembers the 2000 presidential election, when George W. Bush won the electoral vote but lost the popular vote. You can't get much more divided than that.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:52 PM   #343
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Reckon we can close this thread Now !!
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:57 PM   #344
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:29 PM   #345
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As of 11am Markets are tanking
the Dow is down 284.25 points under 13,000
Nasdaq down 59.05
S&P 500 down 27.93

GOOD JOB AMERICA!!!!
The market bottomed on March 9, 2009, about seven weeks after he was sworn in. Since then, the Dow is up 100.3%. The S&P 500 has jumped 109.5%, and the Nasdaq has soared 136.5%. The Russell 2000 has surged 138.5%.

You show 1 of 1460 days since he's been in office....really?

Using the stock market to show how wrong the voters were last night is not where you want to go...
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The markest are down today primarily because of comments made by the president of the European Central Bank, not because of the U.S. election results. Wall Street guys are numbers guys, and they could read the writing on the wall from all the extensive polling data available over the last year, and especially as the election got closer. Obama's victory was already factored into the markets.
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I'm pretty sure that there were certain sectors that moved before the election based on misjudged predictions, and that there are certain sectors today that are moving based on the actual results, but as I said earlier, today's sell off should not be attributed primarily to the election.
Wrong again! All of the 30 Blue Chips are down today!
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:07 PM   #348
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The market bottomed on March 9, 2009, about seven weeks after he was sworn in. Since then, the Dow is up 100.3%.
You are correct. After 4 years in office the stock market is essentially back to where it was right before Obama was sworn in... Or to put it another way, he has managed after this time to recover all the losses, putting us at break-even over the course of his tenure.

Neither spin is particularly complimentary to his efforts, but depending on the story you want to tell, these statistics are good data points to interpret to your liking.
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Wrong! Get online and start reading!
Tell me what your reasoning and sources are, provide a link; then we can have an intelligent conversation.
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Wrong again! All of the 30 Blue Chips are down today!
Read what I posted again. I never said that all the DJIA stocks were not down today. The discussion was about why the market is acting the way it is today.
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Tell me what your reasoning and sources are, provide a link; then we can have an intelligent conversation.
"MarketWatch", "Wall Street Cheat Sheet", and "TheStreet" for a few examples.
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You are correct. After 4 years in office the stock market is essentially back to where it was right before Obama was sworn in... Or to put it another way, he has managed after this time to recover all the losses, putting us at break-even over the course of his tenure.

Neither spin is particularly complimentary to his efforts, but depending on the story you want to tell, these statistics are good data points to interpret to your liking.
No, we are not break even over the course of his tenure. If the Dow was at 12,932, the NASDAQ at 2,937 and the S&P 500 at 1,394 on January 20, 2009, then we would be at break even over the course of Obama's first term to date. In fact, on January 20, 2009 the Dow opened at 8,279, the NASDAQ composite at 1,520, and the S&P 500 at 849.

Now, I'm not saying that the increase in the markets since January 20, 2009 is because of Obama or his policies. The markets were in such a bad place when he took office that it's possible that Bonzo the chimp could have been president and the markets would have gone up. But to say that the markets have only broken even since Obama was inaugurated is simply not accurate.
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First State to ever have 100 % Female Congressional Delegation and Female Governor!

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Given their basic agenda does that mean free sex for all or only the "chosen"
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"MarketWatch", "Wall Street Cheat Sheet", and "TheStreet" for a few examples.
Great. What are they saying about today's sell off? Are they claiming that it's primarily because of the election results? And if so, why?

Here's what I read about today's market action: "Investors renew their focus on a looming fiscal showdown in Congress. Comments by ECB President Mario Draghi feed concerns about Europe's debt crisis." With a still divided Congress and Obama's first term not expiring until January 20 next year, the fiscal showdown happens whether or not Obama wins the election.
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given their basic agenda does that mean free sex for all or only the "chosen"
. . . . huh????
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OK enough is enough. This thread had travelled way away from its original question. Romney lost the election and it no longer pertains to the lake. Time to close it and take the "other" subjects to an appropriate forum on economics and politics.
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I'm out.. this is way off the original topic..
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The market bottomed on March 9, 2009, about seven weeks after he was sworn in. Since then, the Dow is up 100.3%. The S&P 500 has jumped 109.5%, and the Nasdaq has soared 136.5%. The Russell 2000 has surged 138.5%.

You show 1 of 1460 days since he's been in office....really?

Using the stock market to show how wrong the voters were last night is not where you want to go...
The economy and consequences of our elected officials impact the economy of the lake. Romney is a celebrity that makes the lake exciting. There is a special event that occurs when national, global, or hollywood personalities are spotted in our area.

I can't do the research today but the dow and other indicators are not static. Each number is an average of a select few companies that are traded in each of the different markets. The Dow industrial is an average of 30 top companies. The bottom of the performers are swapped out for better companies. This September Kraft was removed and United Health Group replaced it. There were 4 other companies replaced since 2008 / 9 making a comparison of the average worthless. You would be better off using a mutual fund or basic commodities and cost of food and energy for a financial comparison over time.
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I guess the new question is; "what happens to the lake now that Romney lost"
Is it business as usual?
Wolfeboro has "dodged that bullet". (shrug). However, in today's terror-environment, Romney's Secret Service protection should continue for four years—it's not getting easier to find candidates for President.

It's been twenty years since repeal, but our newest voters have few memories of what the "Luxury Tax" did to the boating industry.

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Rising income tax rates and the possible exemption of the second home mortgage interest deduction could also have a chilling impact on the vacation home marketplace in the lakes region.


Would this revision express your statement more clearly?

Rising income tax rates and the possible repeal of the second home mortgage interest deduction could also have a chilling impact on the vacation home marketplace in the lakes region.

For Wolfeboro, that would be catastrophic.

Moultonborough would have it even worse!
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.....mortgage......shmoregage......like who cares about the deducting your mortgage interest what with today's very very low interest rates......long gone is the 15-year, 9% annual interest, 1/3 total down, seller financing type of a deal from 20-years ago...

....besides, when you have crappy credit, then no bank will loan you any money, anyway....

....about the only type mortgage I'll ever qualify....is one of those reverse mortgage scams......as seen on TV.....promoted by Fred Thompson, attorney, actor, U S Senator from Tennessee 1993-2004, & Republican 2008 presidential candidate ...... plus one has to be 62 years old for that so I'm about a year away(?)
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