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Old 09-05-2019, 05:34 AM   #1
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Hey, here's an item from yesterday's Sept 4, 2019 www.conwaydailysun.com about some students from Kennett High School in Conway, while attending a football practice camp at Camp Winaukee in Moultonborough on Lake Winnipesaukee, and they posted a video on social media that shows a duck being killed with a broom.

Posting that video was a very dumb move ..... what were they thinking?

Oh well ..... chalk this one off to "boys will be boys" and this stuff happens. I can recall a rest period spent watching some other campers playing frog ball at age-9 with a canoe paddle and a live bull frog back at Camp Litchaven summer camp, way back in 1961 ..... with that poor frog getting totally smashed up ... except there was no social media and smart phones, present .... back then.

As the saying goes ...... boys will be boys?

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I agree but it is a lakes region story, and after all its all about the wonderful wonderful wonderful students.

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Hey, here's an item from yesterday's Sept 4, 2019 www.conwaydailysun.com about some students from Kennett High School in Conway while attending a football practice camp at Camp Winaukee in Moultonborough on Lake Winnipesaukee, and they posted a video on social media that shows a duck being killed with a broom.

Posting that video was a very dumb move ..... what were they thinking?

Oh well ..... chalk this one off to "boys will be boys" and this stuff happens. I can recall a rest period spent watching some other campers playing frog ball at age-9 with a canoe paddle and a live bull frog back at Camp Litchaven summer camp, way back in 1961 ..... with that poor frog getting totally smashed up ... except there was no social media and smart phones, present .... back then.

As the saying goes ...... boys will be boys? Completely different post.

Good grief!
Not what you wrote originally. You do this all the time.
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I agree but it is a lakes region story, and after all its all about the wonderful wonderful wonderful students.

https://www.conwaydailysun.com/news/...1b769e8cb.html
Apparently, the Kennett High School football team is known as the "Eagles" so an argument can be made that it's just a natural predatory act for Eagles to beat on a duck in Lake Winnipesaukee?
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Those involved will be suspended for "up to three games".

How about kicked off the team? Had I been that stupid, the school wouldn't have to suspend me; my parents would have been taken care of that... and more!

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How about kicked off the team? Had I been that stupid, the school wouldn't have to suspend me; my parents would have been taken care of that... and more!

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brooms today...AK-47's tomorrow. Sick. Should be off the team, period.
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I agree. Off the team!!!
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Apparently, the Kennett High School football team is known as the "Eagles" so an argument can be made that it's just a natural predatory act for Eagles to beat on a duck in Lake Winnipesaukee?
Errmm? I guess by your logic "Eagles" that also prey on loons would be fair game too.


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Off the team and community service.
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'Fish & Game Clarifies Duck Charge Decision' ..... a long article in today's Sept 6 Conway Daily Sun, plus there's three letters to the editor from local Conway residents expressing their opinions.

One dead duck has about as much importance as one dead squirrel killed by a passing car so posting the video is what attracted all the attention, plus it's the local high school football team that's involved ....... oh well? ..... what would Justice Antonin Scalia say?
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Accidentally hitting a squirrel while driving and deliberately killing a duck in this manner are not the same.
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brooms today...AK-47's tomorrow. Sick. Should be off the team, period.
Wow... maybe they should be exterminated... just in case they grow up to be mass murderers?
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Some level of stupid/cruel has always existed.

Now it gets on video.

That brings an extra level of stupid as it diminishes deniability.

Some would argue that video and social media increase the stupidity.

Hopefully everyone grows up sometime.
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Imagine if it was one of our beloved Loons that was killed by these punks!! Oh my God, the community and this forum would be up in arms, but for a duck...meh, no big deal!!

Jeffrey Dahmer started off by killing defenseless animals for no reason too...

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.......well ......as Gomer Pyle used to say ...... golleeee & shazzzaammmm!!! ..... that NH Fish & Game does everything from adjudicating a prickly local situation involving the Kennett High School football team, Camp Winaukee summer camp in Moultonborough on beautiful Melvin Bay on Lake Winnipesaukee ...... and a dead duck ..... probably a Mallard that got lured onto the shore with some food to eat ..... Mallards are very trusting when there is a free food hand-out

'Fish & Game Clarifies Duck Charge Decision' ...... Sept 6, 2019 ... Conway Daily Sun ..... and, very definitely worth reading ..... maybe even twice ........ imagine a working link here! ....

...... oh yes ..... NH Fish & Game ....... you gotta read that news article in today's Conway Daily Sun ..... from adjudicating a dead duck, beat down with a broom, and posted with a short movie clip on social media ..... to searching for a frozen hiker on Mt Washington ..... to re-constructing the state boat launch down the southern tip end of Alton Bay ..... the state needs to get more funding directed to what the NH Fish & Game is all about.
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Imagine if it was one of our beloved Loons that was killed by these punks!! Oh my God, the community and this forum would be up in arms, but for a duck...meh, no big deal!!

Jeffrey Dahmer started off by killing defenseless animals for no reason too...

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That's what I thought also when I read this. When kids are cruel, it's not a good sign.
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These kids should be sent for psychiatric evaluations not slapped on the hand. One of them is probably a future mass shooter. Aberrant behavior like this should be addressed, not coddled.
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Is this not the basis for red flag laws? And we excuse it because they are under 18? Granted the immaturity factor, but when you severely punish such behavior, I believe there is a carry over effect to other youngsters. When I and friends wanted to do stupid things in HS , we were vividly aware of what happened to other kids. There was little awareness of the effects on adult criminals. I don't think that awareness level has changed much. And, there is still the attitude, "It's OK, we're under 18, they can't do anything to us."
I recall when the growing up penalty was 30 days or see your recruiter before 4:00 pm TODAY. It's unfortunate that some of these do-no-gooders are no longer qualified for military service. (We should have universal service, but that's another thread)
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Saw the video....enticed the duck out of the water and then beat it to death....unbelievably cruel.
That kid needs a shrink.
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In my opinion (and it’s just an opinion) for some years now kids have been killing anything and everything on the violent, video games we all know about.
I believe some kill so much on the games that they stop getting their thrill of the kill in fantasy mode. Years of this being drummed into the brain might cause someone to think about killing a real living warm blooded creature (to include humans) to see if they can renew their thrill to kill and take it to the next “level” so to speak. The violent games, over years and years, cannot be “good” for anyone. Think about teens that have invaded people’s homes in recent years and killed them for no reason...
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What's more disturbing. To me, at least one member here seems to enjoy this type of post and relishes every opportunity to jump in and glorify it.
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What's more disturbing. To me, at least one member here seems to enjoy this type of post and relishes every opportunity to jump in and glorify it.
No, that's not true at all, and I strongly object to that comment.

Basically, as a 67-year old lonely loser, I just have too much free time so I like to watch an old movie or a tennis match on one lap top, and read the local newspapers on another lap top, at the same time; the LaDaSun, Conway Daily Sun, Concord Monitor and Union Leader.

Local lakes region news items that catch my attention and are interesting because they are news provocative tend to get my attention ...... and I will post them here ..... but, basically I am just chill'n ..... passing the time of day ..... and ain't got nothing better to do ....... more or less ...... honestly!
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In my opinion (and it’s just an opinion) for some years now kids have been killing anything and everything on the violent, video games we all know about.
I believe some kill so much on the games that they stop getting their thrill of the kill in fantasy mode. Years of this being drummed into the brain might cause someone to think about killing a real living warm blooded creature (to include humans) to see if they can renew their thrill to kill and take it to the next “level” so to speak. The violent games, over years and years, cannot be “good” for anyone. Think about teens that have invaded people’s homes in recent years and killed them for no reason...
I believe, and I'm starting to see research to support, that video games are psychologically designed to increase amygdala activation and that extended use hinders prefrontal cortex development.

This, added to Bandura's studies revealing the resulting aggression from aggressive models (as opposed to the cathartic response previously assumed), suggests that kids being raised in and among more violent forms of media--games, movies, music, social--would have a higher likelihood of initially engaging in and/or being unable to separate from aggressive and emotionally charged situations.

I've not seen the video, but it's a terribly sad story.

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brooms today...AK-47's tomorrow. Sick. Should be off the team, period.
Seems someone else has a sick sense, when they bring AK-47's into a conversation, and should be banned for 3 days. Totally uncalled for. Just trying to stir the Liberal Agenda. Typical for some people.
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My overall sense of this whole thread is that most of it is overreaction to a senseless act against nature. Yes, cruel, but there are far worse crimes against nature (humanity) that are legal and taxpayer funded.
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Seems someone else has a sick sense, when they bring AK-47's into a conversation, and should be banned for 3 days. Totally uncalled for. Just trying to stir the Liberal Agenda. Typical for some people.
It's a turn of phrase used by writers, although I've forgotten the term.

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The term is synecdoche.

As for accuracy, one might ask if member Camp Guy attended a Lake Winnipesaukee camp-for-boys for more years than any of the rest of us here.
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In my opinion (and it’s just an opinion) for some years now kids have been killing anything and everything on the violent, video games we all know about.
I believe some kill so much on the games that they stop getting their thrill of the kill in fantasy mode. Years of this being drummed into the brain might cause someone to think about killing a real living warm blooded creature (to include humans) to see if they can renew their thrill to kill and take it to the next “level” so to speak. The violent games, over years and years, cannot be “good” for anyone. Think about teens that have invaded people’s homes in recent years and killed them for no reason...
Couldn’t agree more. Been saying the same thing for years. Spot on Hill!
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Is this not the basis for red flag laws? And we excuse it because they are under 18? Granted the immaturity factor, but when you severely punish such behavior, I believe there is a carry over effect to other youngsters. When I and friends wanted to do stupid things in HS , we were vividly aware of what happened to other kids. There was little awareness of the effects on adult criminals. I don't think that awareness level has changed much. And, there is still the attitude, "It's OK, we're under 18, they can't do anything to us."
I recall when the growing up penalty was 30 days or see your recruiter before 4:00 pm TODAY. It's unfortunate that some of these do-no-gooders are no longer qualified for military service. (We should have universal service, but that's another thread)
EXACTLY. So how do they get on the red flag list? This might take this topic to the side a bit but GREAT QUESTION... Is there a way to find a list they might be on?
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WMUR has the 1:19 duck beater video ...... plus there's an internet petition with 1200 on board for tougher punishment than a 3 football game ban and community service. Everyone and their bother and sister get's all holier than thou when given the opportunity to express their anger over a savage beat down with a broom handle on a harmless Lake Winnipesaukee Mallard duck ...... ka-boom ..... quack-quack!

This duck beat down story has traveled all the way to an English newspaper, the Guardian of London.

Back in 1968, at my time in high school, the school had a big pile of rocks weighing about 10-25 lbs each, with the pile about the size of a pick-up truck, and for punishment, students could get 90-minute blocks of detention, which meant picking up and moving the rock pile about 75-yards, from one end of a field to the other end .... one rock at a time .... adjacent to a parking lot .... and seen by other students. For this duck beating, an adjudicated punishment could be five blocks of detention, 90-minutes each, held on five consecutive Friday afternoons, scheduled at the same time as the Friday football game.

Everyone knew what the rock pile was there for ...... and students walked past it, all the time, on their way to the gym. Bespoken comments such as 'you do that, you nitwit, and you'll get the rock pile' were not uncommon. ...

Moving heavy rocks was an informative punishment because it gave you a lot of time to think about what you had done, and you never forget that 'moving the rock pile.' Plus, when that yellow school bus passed by you, as you was carrying a heavy rock, you got taunted by the entire bus of fellow students with epithets hollered from the open windows like ....... hey buddy, get to work ...... move that pile ..... you is mov'n too slow, buddy ..... get it moved over there!

So, it was pretty effective punishment.
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I think a little “hard labor” would have made our present day “snowflakes” a bit more hardened to the real world rather than seeking a closed room with a binky and a puppy...
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Your solution would get my vote!
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