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Old 06-09-2020, 08:03 AM   #1
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Default And the WHO now says.....

The latest From WHO - confused yet? (Clarification - not Roger Daltry and the boys)


The spread of coronavirus by people not showing symptoms "appears to be rare," a World Health Organization [WHO] official said Monday.

“We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing – they are following asymptomatic cases, they are following contacts and they are not finding secondary transmission onward, it’s very rare,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove said during a news briefing. “Much of that is not published in the literature.”

“We’re constantly looking at this data, and we’re trying to get more information from countries to truly answer this question,” she added. “It still appears to be rare that an asymptomatic individual actually transmits onward.”

Does this mean all those healthy people wearing masks hasn't made a difference?
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Old 06-09-2020, 08:08 AM   #2
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Wear a mask, don't wear a mask, WHO cares?

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Sounds like if you've got symptoms, stay away from peeps but otherwise let's roll!

God I hope school is back in fall...

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Old 06-09-2020, 10:35 AM   #4
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Default PreSymptomatic v Asymptomatic

The difference is between people who are Asymptomatic vs preSymptomatic. The WHO is apologizing for it's muddy communication on the matter. They've been using the two interchangeably which is incorrect.

Asymptomatic people (those with the virus but not showing any symptoms) are 'rarely' spreading the disease. This is what everyone is focusing on.

Presymptomatic people are those who have caught the virus but are NOT YET showing symptoms, though they will show them in due course. These people can and do spread the virus.

The problem is you can't really tell if a person is presymptomatic or asymptomatic - it all appears the same until the presymptomatic person begins showing symptoms.

As the CDC writes: "The potential for presymptomatic transmission underscores the importance of social distancing, including the avoidance of congregate settings, to reduce Covid-19 spread."

The difference is subtle but important. Care will still need to be taken, I'm afraid.

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Stating to sound like something from abbot and costello who's on first whats on second
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Stating to sound like something from abbot and costello who's on first whats on second
Lol...I do believe Abbot and Costello had much more credibility
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The difference is between people who are Asymptomatic vs preSymptomatic. The WHO is apologizing for it's muddy communication on the matter. They've been using the two interchangeably which is incorrect.

Asymptomatic people (those with the virus but not showing any symptoms) are 'rarely' spreading the disease. This is what everyone is focusing on.

Presymptomatic people are those who have caught the virus but are NOT YET showing symptoms, though they will show them in due course. These people can and do spread the virus.

The problem is you can't really tell if a person is presymptomatic or asymptomatic - it all appears the same until the presymptomatic person begins showing symptoms.

As the CDC writes: "The potential for presymptomatic transmission underscores the importance of social distancing, including the avoidance of congregate settings, to reduce Covid-19 spread."

The difference is subtle but important. Care will still need to be taken, I'm afraid.
A helpful clarification. Thank you.
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We're seeing somewhat of a surge out west since things have started to loosen up.

61 new cases reported in Newport, Or from a fish processing plant.

It seems people who work in close proximity to one another, whether doing a vigorous activity or otherwise, are most at risk: nursing homes, processing plants.

You folks in the lakes region are fortunate to be off the beaten path.

It ain't over til the fat lady tests negative.
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Default Nuance and subtly can be confusing

To be fare to WHO, this wasn't published information but an off-the-cuff answer to a question during a Q&A session at a press conference. A link to the (worthwhile) 44 minute press conference is here and the quote that caused the stir is about 35 minutes in. It was interesting to get information raw from the source, then see how the various press outlets spun it.
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It seems the much-feared surge is beginning, at least in rural areas.

see: https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-incr...093045353.html

No reference to NH...yet.
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It seems the much-feared surge is beginning, at least in rural areas.

see: https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-incr...093045353.html

No reference to NH...yet.
Yes, due to the increase in testing...no fear mongering necessary!

Itís time to get back to work and live life!

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Yes, due to the increase in testing...no fear mongering necessary!

Itís time to get back to work and live life!

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I am talking surge, you are talking splurge.

Time will tell.

tick ... tick ... tick ...
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I am talking surge, you are talking splurge.

Time will tell.

tick ... tick ... tick ...
No, I’m talking reality...I don’t believe in posting “fortune telling”, “the cup is half empty” fear mongering crap from people and organizations and media outlets who have had it wrong all along and rely On sensationalism for ratings and popularity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KvNt5NG-GM

I Also refuse to live in fear and In my closet the rest of my life as that is not living.

The cup is half full, the sun will be out this afternoon and I think I will go for a boat ride to the Red Hill Dari for lunch!

Back to work, back to water sports, back to Sunday morning Bloody Mary’s with friends and family and back to life!

Tick tick tick...Enjoy life!

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No, Iím talking reality...I donít believe in posting ďfortune tellingĒ, ďthe cup is half emptyĒ fear mongering crap from people and organizations and media outlets who have had it wrong all along and rely On sensationalism for ratings and popularity.
The gov't and media outlets have not "had it wrong all along."

The infection / death rate would have been much, much worse had we not stayed at home, adopted social distancing, used hand sanitizer, washed our hands more frequently and avoided touching our faces.

Yes, the economy suffered, and yes we must reopen, but precautions are still very necessary.

To believe and act otherwise seems to me to be the height of foolishness.
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We're seeing somewhat of a surge out west since things have started to loosen up.

61 new cases reported in Newport, Or from a fish processing plant.

It seems people who work in close proximity to one another, whether doing a vigorous activity or otherwise, are most at risk: nursing homes, processing plants.

You folks in the lakes region are fortunate to be off the beaten path.

It ain't over til the fat lady tests negative.
Not so much....

And... for drama, here is a snippet

The company is redirecting a portion of production from its Portsmouth plant to ... to minimize impact to supply.


https://www.unionleader.com/news/hea...e5ae4464d.html
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The gov't and media outlets have not "had it wrong all along."

The infection / death rate would have been much, much worse had we not stayed at home, adopted social distancing, used hand sanitizer, washed our hands more frequently and avoided touching our faces.

Yes, the economy suffered, and yes we must reopen, but precautions are still very necessary.

To believe and act otherwise seems to me to be the height of foolishness.
Have a ball...I know I will!

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Thinking this summer wardrobe includes a lot of ďlive free or dieĒ tís and no mask


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Saturday, I ran into the first person who knew someone who caught this flu. (Three people-one familyóeldest in her 90s, diedóthe others recovered).

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The gov't and media outlets have not "had it wrong all along." The infection / death rate would have been much, much worse had we not stayed at home, adopted social distancing, used hand sanitizer, washed our hands more frequently and avoided touching our faces. Yes, the economy suffered, and yes we must reopen, but precautions are still very necessary. To believe and act otherwise seems to me to be the height of foolishness.
I just heard of a healthcare worker who tested positive for the last FOUR 14-day infection periods!

Her testers: "Don't call back".

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I work for a large nationwide critical care transport company. To date we have transported over 1400 confirmed or suspected COVID patients. Many were critically ill. People will believe what they want about this pandemic if they are not directly involved in managing those who have contracted it. I suggest you follow the CDC guidelines to protect yourself. If you donít, you may contract the virus and you may or may not do well. Itís that simple. It is real and people are dying. If you want to play the odds and donít care, good luck. If the mortality rate were even as low as 1%, that would mean 1 in 100 people who contract it would die. It looks like itís a bit higher than that. Imagine any lottery drawing wherein you had a 1 in 100 chance of winning the jackpot! Iíd play those odds! Except, this is a jackpot you donít want to win. Now just because you donít follow the guidelines doesnít mean youíre going to catch it. But youíll also have no way of knowing until you do and you may infect your loved ones in course. None of this means people canít still responsibly enjoy activities like boating. Heck, boating is the perfect social distancing activity....if youíre not social distancing from others while boating, itís usually called a ďcollisionĒ! Be smart, be well, be good to each other.


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To be fare to WHO, this wasn't published information but an off-the-cuff answer to a question during a Q&A session at a press conference. A link to the (worthwhile) 44 minute press conference is here and the quote that caused the stir is about 35 minutes in. It was interesting to get information raw from the source, then see how the various press outlets spun it.
CNBC, in response to yesterday's Wall Street Journal discovery, is calling for an investigation of the Wuhan Laboratory's part in spreading the virus.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/24/us-s...cial-says.html
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But wait...didnít almost ALL media quickly - and eagerly - in 2020 dismiss any theories about the virus origins coming from the Wuhan lab as racist, hateful, and as ignorant as Trump and his supporters? It was from a wet food market they insisted, not a lab in China (yes, Wuhan)- a lab that has received funding from the United States for ďgain of functionĒ research going back to 2006. Also contributing to that research was The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. While this type of research is supposedly used for good, the opposite is also possible.
How to make pathogens more infectious, basically.

Some enlightening reading out there on the net - and Fauciís being a long-time supporter of the research. Seems deep down - or not so deep - he knew the origins of the virus and didnít want to point in that direction for his own reasons.
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No, that's not how it went down.

Scientists used the available data to form opinions as to causation.

Early on there was no evidence that Wuhan lab workers had gotten ill; now there is some newly-discovered evidence to that effect.

I almost hope it can be proven that China was attempting to weaponize the virus and that it escaped: with sufficient proof and pressure The World might force China to cough up trillions in damages.

Wishful thinking I suppose ...
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Unhappy New Study...

Not yet peer-reviewed, a 39 year-old South African woman suffering with Covid-19 (for months) has produced 30+ flu variants.

Something else brewing out there?
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No, that's not how it went down.

Scientists used the available data to form opinions as to causation.

Early on there was no evidence that Wuhan lab workers had gotten ill; now there is some newly-discovered evidence to that effect.

I almost hope it can be proven that China was attempting to weaponize the virus and that it escaped: with sufficient proof and pressure The World might force China to cough up trillions in damages.

Wishful thinking I suppose ...
There is a fascinating article in Vanity Fair about the lab-leak theory.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021...ae9_popular4-1


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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021...ae9_popular4-1
All you need to know:

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(From India News, a few days ago).

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No, that's not how it went down.

Scientists used the available data to form opinions as to causation.

Early on there was no evidence that Wuhan lab workers had gotten ill; now there is some newly-discovered evidence to that effect.

I almost hope it can be proven that China was attempting to weaponize the virus and that it escaped: with sufficient proof and pressure The World might force China to cough up trillions in damages.

Wishful thinking I suppose ...
The proof is already out there. If the U.S. hadn't added (800+?) millions of dollars to fund "Gain of Function", there'd be a perfect case for damages. But even worse, the U.S. bureaucrat responsible has been put in charge of the "investigation".

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