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Old 08-12-2022, 10:44 AM   #101
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Folks everyone is getting carried away here.... We live in America....

First there are always two trials...

The trial in the Press, where the press is never really held accountable, if they report incorrect assumptions as facts....

Then the Trial in the court room, where things are scrutinized. Which can end up in a complete contrary verdict, that doesn't agree with what the Press lead us to believe......

The laws and rules of this country where applied, a Jury provided a decision, we need to be done with this... Not continue to argue over what is write and what is wrong....
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Old 08-12-2022, 01:36 PM   #102
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Folks everyone is getting carried away here.... We live in America....

First there are always two trials...

The trial in the Press, where the press is never really held accountable, if they report incorrect assumptions as facts....

Then the Trial in the court room, where things are scrutinized. Which can end up in a complete contrary verdict, that doesn't agree with what the Press lead us to believe......

The laws and rules of this country where applied, a Jury provided a decision, we need to be done with this... Not continue to argue over what is write and what is wrong....
Just as the jury did with this bum of a defendant, let's be fair to the press and also hold ourselves accountable.

No one on this forum has cited any incorrect reporting. (A person's memory of an article from years ago does not count.) The LDS reporting has been excellent, especially for a small paper without a lot of resources. If I'm wrong here, I look forward to a link correcting me.

All of us, myself included, were ready to lock this guy up just based on his past behavior. That's on us, nobody else
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I guess boatbottom952 felt it necessary to send me this by PM….

“Don't stop crying and taking your ball home with you. You were WRONG, so stop crying and move on. You entitled little ones make me laugh.”

Somehow I’m “entitled” “crying” and “I’m taking my ball home” because I asked John Mercier not to bother to respond as I was done on this topic. The only reason I said that is unlike some, I don’t need or care to get the last word in on any topic. This is just an Internet forum that’s supposed be somewhat fun, and relevant to the lake.

Always love people who hide behind screen names and send nasty PM’s to other forum members anonymously acting like a tough guy…

Well broadbottom I’m not going anywhere and you should stop playing on your mothers computer!

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I guess boatbottom952 felt it necessary to send me this by PM….

“Don't stop crying and taking your ball home with you. You were WRONG, so stop crying and move on. You entitled little ones make me laugh.”

Somehow I’m “entitled” “crying” and “I’m taking my ball home” because I asked John Mercier not to bother to respond as I was done on this topic. The only reason I said that is unlike some, I don’t need or care to get the last word in on any topic. This is just an Internet forum that’s supposed be somewhat fun, and relevant to the lake.

Always love people who hide behind screen names and send nasty PM’s to other forum members anonymously acting like a tough guy…

Well broadbottom I’m not going anywhere and you should stop playing on your mothers computer!

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How is this tool still a member after going after Sue and admin learning that s/he has two other usernames that also have been unforumlike?

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Folks everyone is getting carried away here.... We live in America....

First there are always two trials...

The trial in the Press, where the press is never really held accountable, if they report incorrect assumptions as facts....

Then the Trial in the court room, where things are scrutinized. Which can end up in a complete contrary verdict, that doesn't agree with what the Press lead us to believe......

The laws and rules of this country where applied, a Jury provided a decision, we need to be done with this... Not continue to argue over what is write and what is wrong....
Nicely stated LI! This was a tough one for me being both a former Marine and semi retired biker it hit close to home… But yes I agree and as I stated previously, I am done with it.

Now why did I reply??..

Have a great weekend!

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Hi Dan,

You're right--this BS should see sunshine...

A couple of weeks ago I received an email alert that I had this PM from Boatbottom:

"It really isn't any of your Business. Focus on changing your state of Mass. Gunstock is not your concern."

The message was not in my Forum box when I checked, so I figured Boatbottom or Don had axed it, and I just decided to let it go.

But this guy needs to stop harassing people, and maybe if we all share this stuff it will end
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For those of you wrestling with the “ beyond a reasonable doubt” concept, ask yourself one question: which is worse….convicting an innocent person to jail, or letting a guilty person off. ?
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For those of you wrestling with the “ beyond a reasonable doubt” concept, ask yourself one question: which is worse….convicting an innocent person to jail, or letting a guilty person off. ?
That depends—does the person have an extensive criminal history, including drug and alcohol charges and a license that was supposed to have been revoked as a result of previous offenses?

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It’s really pathetic, but I have observed that the PM is the perfect chosen vehicle for the cowards, bullies, and misfits who haven’t the courage to post their ideas or grievances on an open forum…..sick and creepy.
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That depends—does the person have an extensive criminal history, including drug and alcohol charges and a license that was supposed to have been revoked as a result of previous offenses?

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Courts work very hard to avoid a preconception of guilt or innocence among the jurors.
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It’s really pathetic, but I have observed that the PM is the perfect chosen vehicle for the cowards, bullies, and misfits who haven’t the courage to post their ideas or grievances on an open forum…..sick and creepy.
Sorry that you've received those PMs Sue. While I receive notifications of every forum post and new member I don't get notified of PM activity and can't see them unless I tunnel down into the database, which I rarely do. PMs are supposed to be private and I don't get involved unless someone points out a problem.

Although Boatbottom952/Fritoman/subaruliving has been heavily restricted already I've now taken additional steps to keep them out. You shouldn't get any more PMs like those but please let me know if you do.
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With motorcycles drivers supposedly TWENTY EIGHT times more likely to get killed than a car driver, what really makes the difference for the motorcyclist is their level of perfomance and their alertness. Some motorcyclists go their whole life without a crash, while others have a crash early on.

One thing for sure is that a large pickup truck offers way more protection than a 500-lb motorcycle. Motorcycles just look really cool & dynamic even when standing still ..... they are like a work of art, driving machine that hooks people onto riding them.

Once you is dead ..... that's all there is .... the end. Is riding a motorcycle worth the high risk? ......

If the Fallen-7 had been riding in five different Subaru's and not on Harley Davidson's ....... there would have been much much less death for evryone. So's maybe you Harley riders want to go trade in that Harley and go get yo-self a Subaru!
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Depends.
When I rode, that was all I could afford - an inexpensive used motorcycle that got what at that time was great gas mileage.

I had to go from Belmont to my job in Holderness, so motorized was the only option.
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Sorry that you've received those PMs Sue. While I receive notifications of every forum post and new member I don't get notified of PM activity and can't see them unless I tunnel down into the database, which I rarely do. PMs are supposed to be private and I don't get involved unless someone points out a problem.

Although Boatbottom952/Fritoman/subaruliving has been heavily restricted already I've now taken additional steps to keep them out. You shouldn't get any more PMs like those but please let me know if you do.
Thanks on behalf of all who find this creepy behavior annoying. However, I am a big girl and can take it, so don’t go to extreme measures for me….I was just pointing out the creepiness of supposed adults who are immature cowards. From now on, they should simply be ignored, and that’s my plan.
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When I rode, that was all I could afford - an inexpensive used motorcycle that got what at that time was great gas mileage.
Lemme guess here ..... it had to be a 1966 Honda-95 Classic what with its cost value/mile coefficient .... http://www.smartcycleguide.com/motor.../1966-honda-50 ..... plus you meet the nicest people on a Honda! ...
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Not quite. By the time I was driving, those would have been nearly a classic.

I bought cheap CM400 that was about seven years old. No one ''aspired'' to be seen on one. I was getting in the low 40s for mpg.
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Every single charge the state brought was dropped. That on its own says plenty about the integrity of the state's evidence.

Seems plenty of folks in general still want to hang this young man and choose to completely ignore the fact that the motorcyclists have just as much responsibility here, being over the legal BAC limit and all.

There is a group of people involved who aren't taking a long hard look at their own actions and the young man is the only one being persecuted as a result.

I think it's a horrible situation all around. Hopefully someone somewhere is learning or has learned something from all this.
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With motorcycles drivers supposedly TWENTY EIGHT times more likely to get killed than a car driver, what really makes the difference for the motorcyclist is their level of perfomance and their alertness. Some motorcyclists go their whole life without a crash, while others have a crash early on.

One thing for sure is that a large pickup truck offers way more protection than a 500-lb motorcycle. Motorcycles just look really cool & dynamic even when standing still ..... they are like a work of art, driving machine that hooks people onto riding them.

Once you is dead ..... that's all there is .... the end. Is riding a motorcycle worth the high risk? ......

If the Fallen-7 had been riding in five different Subaru's and not on Harley Davidson's ....... there would have been much much less death for evryone. So's maybe you Harley riders want to go trade in that Harley and go get yo-self a Subaru!
Well respectfully I find your post pretty narrow minded. I both drive and ride and I do expand my zone of awareness hugely when riding. That being said this kid was drugged for sure and even if one rider was also "drugged" on drink that was his problem. The truck driver had much more to be responsible for as he was driving a tank versus a bike. It matters little than one or two bikers were also legally over the limit, this kid was totally stoned out and I think his license was also removed before for cause. he is guilty and needs to serve time and never drive again.
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Stoned?
So you saw the blood test, and even though it was thrown out as being under any limit to cause impairment... you are sure he was stoned?

He also, according to the reconstruction, remained in his lane.

Not to mention he was found not guilty; and doubtful will never drive again in the US as he is being deported.

So I think everyone is being a bit narrow minded.
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Well respectfully I find your post pretty narrow minded. I both drive and ride and I do expand my zone of awareness hugely when riding. That being said this kid was drugged for sure and even if one rider was also "drugged" on drink that was his problem. The truck driver had much more to be responsible for as he was driving a tank versus a bike. It matters little than one or two bikers were also legally over the limit, this kid was totally stoned out and I think his license was also removed before for cause. he is guilty and needs to serve time and never drive again.
I'm not sure if you've seen all the articles? It's true the kid's a druggie and has spent much of his life wasted. But blood tests and police statements on field sobriety both say he was sober at the time of collision.
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People die on boats every year. People fall out, run people over, crash going out to dinner and hit stationary objects. Are boats dangerous or do they require common sense, regular upkeep and respect?

Twenty eight times as deadly as walking the WOW trail at 2 am? It's all relative. The machine is not dangerous. Is it an issue in the live free or die state, no helmets weather or not someone chooses to ride a motorcycle? Are the open air Spyders, trikes and Can Ams any safer?

I'm not sure what the point is other than a personal choice would be to not ride a Harley or any other brand of motorcycle. Does it relate to the ride and crash?

Is choice always right or wrong?
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In the beginning, the media screwed-up this story big time. They reported the truck driver's background before learning the facts of toxicology testing on the motorcyclists. By then public opinion became mob rule and has remained that way. The media is always very slow to report itself wrong.
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It matters little than one or two bikers were also legally over the limit, this kid was totally stoned out and I think his license was also removed before for cause. he is guilty and needs to serve time and never drive again.
Misinformation.

The facts stated in court do not support the conclusion of impairment. His license was not suspended or "removed" at the time of the accident.
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I remember thinking the truck driver was guilty as hell and would never be free again during his life.
He even said he caused the crash!

Coös County Police were too slow to read his Miranda Rights?

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The media reported things the jury was not allowed to hear because those historical items in this guy's life could not be admitted in the court-of-law. It could only be disclosed by the media, in the court-of-public-opinion.
Worse, eligible Coös County voters who'd read of those instances would be excluded from the jury! That leaves a very ignorant jury in a tiny jurisdiction with few who hadn't known of this crash that left seven dead bodies.

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Now, reading the details of the case, the outcome makes legal sense...But WOW!!!
The defense found a weak link among the bikers, and played it to the hilt.

Among my library of books--mostly about Nature--I have a volume autographed to me by the author titled, "The Defense Never Rests".

Personally, I'd like very much to analyze an enlarged aerial photograph of the [cleared] roadway scene with the sun directly overhead.
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A none prejudiced jury is the basis of our system.

He wasn't impaired, and didn't cross the line.
He did admit to being distracted and felt in the emotion of the moment that he had been at fault.

He plead not guilty. And the jury found the facts to be so.

A weak link... you mean impaired and crossed the line?
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"Pacella told Western Mass News that this case rested on the experts."

"There was an expert for the defense who said that although Zhukovskyy was just over the centerline, that at the time of the accident, the bike had turned sideways, essentially, when it hit the truck. Therefore, he lost control first and he caused the accident," Pacella explained.

August 9, 2022: https://westernmassnews.com/2022/08/...uilty-verdict/

Am trying to think of something intelligent to say, here? .... ..... Maybe that a Subaru is supposedly 28-times less fatal than a Harley Davidson, plus it always has air conditioning and a heater and four tires.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrHxVqpNPdo&t=36s ....... Harley's on the Lake Winnipesaukee ice, Meredith Bay ice fishing derby, Feb 2 2020 ...... think I gotta try this next winter ...... except with in-line roller skates with four roller skate wheels, in-line ..... ha-ha-ha! ..... roller skating on the ice ...... weeeooooo!
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You should give up the rant about motorcycles - or any brand in particular - as the people riding are keenly aware of the inherent danger.
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Misinformation.

The facts stated in court do not support the conclusion of impairment. His license was not suspended or "removed" at the time of the accident.
Besides the fact he took heroin and cocaine that morning, admitted to being responsible for the crash, there was plenty to know. (Even his defense attorneys admitted he was over the yellow line, and then, they found alcohol among the dead bikers).

The next day, I'd like to be that journalist who followed up the jurors' reactions. How would you feel as a juror in this case, returning home and reading the following?

‣ Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles records show that Zhukovskyy’s license had been temporarily suspended shortly after a 2013 arrest in Westfield because he was deemed an “immediate threat.”

‣ The Westfield News reported in 2014 that Zhukovskyy was placed on probation for one year and had his license suspended for 210 days in that case.

‣ The video of his February arrest at a Denny’s restaurant in Baytown [TX] showed a jittery man hopped up on something that wouldn’t allow him to stand still. Officers responded to the restaurant for a complaint about a customer who was “talking to himself and acting strange” and banging on the counter, the Boston Herald reported.

‣ Zhukovskyy’s license had been suspended for several years after a drunk driving incident in Westfield, MassLive reported.

‣ And on June 3, five months after his February arrest in Baytown, he rolled an 18-wheeler in the same area, the Boston Herald reported.

That wreck occurred just two weeks before Zhukovskyy plowed into the motorcycle club in New England.


He's so unlucky.
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He's so unlucky.
Just the opposite, actually: he beat the rap.
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That wreck occurred just two weeks before Zhukovskyy plowed into the motorcycle club in New England.

He's so unlucky.
Did he plow into them, or did they plow into him? The reconstruction shows he was on his side of the center line.

His driving history, while filled with problems, did not come into consideration in the not guilty finding.

Too many motorcycle operators hug the center line or ride side by side. Definitely less safe than riding more to the right and single file.
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