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Old 11-27-2018, 09:36 PM   #1
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Default A lighthouse on the Witches?

Bizer receives all sorts of inquiries. We try and answer them all. My favorite was a phone call I received about 10 years ago, "I'm driving north on I-93 and I'm calling you from my cell phone. What exit do I get off at to get to Laconia?"

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Today, Bizer received an email which asked, "Hi - It would be extremely helpful to know the approximate dimensions of the Witches on Lake Winnipesaukee for a lighthouse proposal." Answer: about 2100 ft long and 650 feet wide. Anyone heard of any plan to put a lighthouse on the Witches?
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Bizer receives all sorts of inquiries. We try and answer them all. My favorite was a phone call I received about 10 years ago, "I'm driving north on I-93 and I'm calling you from my cell phone. What exit do I get off at to get to Laconia?"

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Today, Bizer received an email which asked, "Hi - It would be extremely helpful to know the approximate dimensions of the Witches on Lake Winnipesaukee for a lighthouse proposal." Answer: about 2100 ft long and 650 feet wide. Anyone heard of any plan to put a lighthouse on the Witches?
I think it's a great idea but who would pay for it? That's the bigger question.
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I think it's a great idea but who would pay for it? That's the bigger question.
Back in 2001 I suggested (in jest) that this site would sponsor it.

Here's the thread from our old forum:

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I think it's a great idea but who would pay for it? That's the bigger question.
I bet a "go fund me" type of collection would work. Just propose it here, and in the several Facebook groups. Also I'm sure that WMUR would run with a story about it.
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I canít believe anyone would seriously consider this. The area is well marked by spars. At night use a map & compass or a GPS. If your uncomfortable at night stay away from the area or donít go out. Another sissification of our society!


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While I agree with the Big Guy

i also think those spars should be lighted and flash to show the channel through the middle and around it
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I actually like the idea of a lighthouse on the Witches. Doesn't have to be extravagant, just utilitarian. Might save a prop or two and possibly a life.
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I actually like the idea of a lighthouse on the Witches. Doesn't have to be extravagant, just utilitarian. Might save a prop or two and possibly a life.
I agree! I don't see any downside other than cost.
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Ok, blinking spars I can go with. A light house is a little over the top.


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Ok, blinking spars I can go with. A light house is a little over the top.


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I don't think a light house like you see on the ocean shore would be appropriate but some kind of bright blinking warning light for the deaf, dumb, and blind would be useful and cost efficient.
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Ok, blinking spars I can go with. A light house is a little over the top.
There are already three flashers in the area. Used to be only two (27 & 28) #71 was added "recently". I think #71 could add to the confusion. If you only see only one flasher, is #71 or #28? If you see 71 and think you're looking at 28, you could go on the wrong side.

Maybe CG Surplus bell buoys, tuned to sound like wind chimes, and, of course, lighted?
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Bizer receives all sorts of inquiries. We try and answer them all. My favorite was a phone call I received about 10 years ago, "I'm driving north on I-93 and I'm calling you from my cell phone. What exit do I get off at to get to Laconia?"

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Today, Bizer received an email which asked, "Hi - It would be extremely helpful to know the approximate dimensions of the Witches on Lake Winnipesaukee for a lighthouse proposal." Answer: about 2100 ft long and 650 feet wide. Anyone heard of any plan to put a lighthouse on the Witches?
This sounds like a high school, end of the semester, project.
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Good luck. I am sure first you would have to get approval. The way government works it would probably take what, 5 years? And then, everybody would want lighthouses out on the lake. I have a feeling this idea is dead in the water. It would be kind of neat though. I like lighthouses.
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Ok, for those who think itís a good idea, where do yo put it on a 2100 ft x 650 ft shoal? Is one enough? Do you need 2 or 3? How about a keepers cottage? Better yet, letís be like the Chinese and fill the shoal to create a new island the we donít need any additional lights at all.

For those unsure, yes I am being sarcastic. (and maybe trying to stir the pot)


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Ok, for those who think itís a good idea, where do yo put it on a 2100 ft x 650 ft shoal? Is one enough? Do you need 2 or 3? How about a keepers cottage? Better yet, letís be like the Chinese and fill the shoal to create a new island the we donít need any additional lights at all.

For those unsure, yes I am being sarcastic. (and maybe trying to stir the pot)
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Ok, for those who think it’s a good idea, where do yo put it on a 2100 ft x 650 ft shoal? Is one enough? Do you need 2 or 3? How about a keepers cottage? Better yet, let’s be like the Chinese and fill the shoal to create a new island the we don’t need any additional lights at all.

For those unsure, yes I am being sarcastic. (and maybe trying to stir the pot)


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Maybe the state should just sell it, let some mega rich owner build a McMansion on it and require them to keep the lights on. Just think of the tax revenue!
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Mount small blinking lights to all sea gulls. Then just dodge the 30 gulls standing on the rocks.
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Ok, for those who think itís a good idea, where do yo put it on a 2100 ft x 650 ft shoal? Is one enough? Do you need 2 or 3? How about a keepers cottage? Better yet, letís be like the Chinese and fill the shoal to create a new island the we donít need any additional lights at all.

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The most logical thing would be to just dredge the area and remove the hazard entirely. A barge and a few sticks of dynamite would take of it the same way other unwanted granite deposits in the state are removed.
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Waste of money. Leave it as it is, maybe just add a few more lighted spars at minimal cost. How many serious incidents have there been in the last 5 years at the witches?
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Waste of money. Leave it as it is, maybe just add a few more lighted spars at minimal cost. How many serious incidents have there been in the last 5 years at the witches?
Are you serious??

I don't think anybody else on this thread is.

BTW, other lighthouses on Winnipesaukee were privately funded. Of course they are on private property where you are quite welcome to spend money anyway you want. You'd have to negotiate a 99 year lease for the Witches and then negotiate with Shore Things to build. I expect she'd enjoy the challenge. Can't be much trickier than building on Wilcomb (sp?) Island.
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How about solar lights...put them on some poles that would be installed like a light post and put them around the witches....it would look awesome and serve a purpose
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Personally, I think they should put a daymark at/near the northernmost and southernmost rock of the Witches. Use a telephone pole (to handle the winter ice) and put solar-powered lights on top. I feel daymarks are good navigational aids because they are easy to see and they do not drift out of position.

Here's what they look like.
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If anyone put something this conspicuous on their shorefront property, Bizer would probably put it on the map as a navigational aid.
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Bizer's Daymarks? Can't tell if this is serious or not. The one with the boat wrapped around it makes me think "An expensive solution to a non-problem" not preventing accidents, just protecting indestructible rocks from damage.
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Are you serious??

I don't think anybody else on this thread is.

BTW, other lighthouses on Winnipesaukee were privately funded. Of course they are on private property where you are quite welcome to spend money anyway you want. You'd have to negotiate a 99 year lease for the Witches and then negotiate with Shore Things to build. I expect she'd enjoy the challenge. Can't be much trickier than building on Wilcomb (sp?) Island.
We've already met. As we explained to them in the meeting we, NHDES, are not the biggest challenge here. The biggest underlying problem here is that NHDES lacks the authority to approve a project that that takes public land and transfers it to a private holding. That authority rests with the Governor and Executive Council. They need to figure out who is going to take ownership of this and be responsible for maintaining it. Once they figure that out they can move forward in pursuing the construction and potential land transfer.
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Hi All,

Interestingly... there are several lighthouses on Lake Sunapee at least one of which I believe marks a hazardous reef/navigation area (I'd have to dig out my chart to see for sure). It's my understanding that they are quite popular with the tourists for photo ops etc.

I have no idea who owns them... but kinda neat nonetheless..

Hell... the cottage on Becky's Garden is a huge draw.... why not the Witches? (mostly busting chops!)Ö.

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Waste of money. Leave it as it is, maybe just add a few more lighted spars at minimal cost. How many serious incidents have there been in the last 5 years at the witches?
Hmmm. Same as Middle Ground Shoals, I bet. I know the lake is a lot busier than it used to be, but there are times when I believe it was better when the Public Utilities Commission was in charge instead of Safety and DES. Like many other things, when people start asking their legislators to pass a law, the long term result is not always the intended outcome. And you get Department Commissioners who tell staff to "put a buoy there" (because my friend doesn't want so many boats coming so close?). Now, we have a logical MP who removes unnecessary buoys because there really is no hazard. Good job, MP. DES says there are certain classes of docks that present no environmental impact, but they don't want to stop regulating them. The Legislative dock study commission couldn't meet because they couldn't get a quorum. Are they really interested? Time to figure out that we just don't need more regulation. Just let MP do their law enforcement job, and read your own chart to avoid prop damage. Here endeth the rant.
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This is what we need. We could just build a little platform for him to "perform" on.
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You're thinking of this Daymarker?

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From Joey 2665; Waste of money. Leave it as it is, maybe just add a few more lighted spars at minimal cost. How many serious incidents have there been in the last 5 years at the witches?

Hmmm. Same as Middle Ground Shoals,I bet. I know the lake is a lot busier than it used to be, but there are times when I believe it was better when the Public Utilities Commission was in charge instead of Safety and DES. Like many other things, when people start asking their legislators to pass a law, the long term result is not always the intended outcome. And you get Department Commissioners who tell staff to "put a buoy there" (because my friend doesn't want so many boats coming so close?). Now, we have a logical MP who removes unnecessary buoys because there really is no hazard. Good job, MP. DES says there are certain classes of docks that present no environmental impact, but they don't want to stop regulating them. The Legislative dock study commission couldn't meet because they couldn't get a quorum. Are they really interested? Time to figure out that we just don't need more regulation. Just let MP do their law enforcement job, and read your own chart to avoid prop damage. Here endeth the rant.
I believe the next committee meeting is scheduled for January 11th at the Legislative Office Building in Concord at 10:00 a.m. You should come. The meetings are open to the public. You can verify the schedule by keeping an eye on the House calendar which is posted weekly here: http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/hous...ns/default.htm

They list it by its long title, Commission To Study The Effectiveness Of The Current Statutes Related To Management Of Non-Tidal Public Waterways And The Construction Or Placement Of Structures Within Them.
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Personally, I think they should put a daymark at/near the northernmost and southernmost rock of the Witches. Use a telephone pole (to handle the winter ice) and put solar-powered lights on top. I feel daymarks are good navigational aids because they are easy to see and they do not drift out of position.

Here's what they look like.
www.bizer.com/lwother/daymark5.jpg
www.bizer.com/lwother/daymark6.jpg
www.bizer.com/lwother/daymark1.jpg
www.bizer.com/lwother/daymark3.jpg
www.bizer.com/lwother/daymark4.jpg

If anyone put something this conspicuous on their shorefront property, Bizer would probably put it on the map as a navigational aid.
I think he should include the green rope lighting on the east side of mink...best navigational aid coming out of Smith cove!


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Wrong thread. The Witches is not a NWZ. LOL.
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You will notice that the daymarker did it's job, and prevented the boat from entering what might have been a bad area.
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Speaking of DayMarks, this might help in a few spots...
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I believe the next committee meeting is scheduled for January 11th at the Legislative Office Building in Concord at 10:00 a.m. You should come. The meetings are open to the public. You can verify the schedule by keeping an eye on the House calendar which is posted weekly here: http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/hous...ns/default.htm

They list it by its long title, Commission To Study The Effectiveness Of The Current Statutes Related To Management Of Non-Tidal Public Waterways And The Construction Or Placement Of Structures Within Them.
The Commission's meeting scheduled for the 11th is being postponed for a week or two in order to allow the new interim chair to confirm that vacant seat on the Commission are being filled so that there will be a quorum. Please refer to the House calendar at the link provided for the rescheduled time. It is anticipated to only be a 2 week delay at most.
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Thanks for keeping us posted, Shore Things.
Two related bills have been filed. One to adjust membership and establish a quorum of 7. The second one will extend the report deadline from November 2019 to November 2020. That likely means any recommended changes will come as legislation in 2021, pass in June 2021 to be effective January 2022.

HB 219 relative to membership on the Structures on Non-tidal Public Waterways Commission.
HB 228 extending the commission to study the current statutes related to management of non-tidal public waterways and the construction or placement of structures within them.
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Old 01-07-2019, 05:36 PM   #44
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My first experience was WatereSkiing through rthe Witches and loosing one of the wood fins on my wood Water Skis which I still own. It was a scary experience! Went to Goodhue & Hawkins & after a little educatuion I bought my first Chart. This is now the STATE Location of theMarine Patrol ! still Boat on Winni. As a owner of Island proprety since 81 after renting before that. Lots of fond memorys. kerk
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:26 AM   #45
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My first experience was WatereSkiing through rthe Witches and loosing one of the wood fins on my wood Water Skis which I still own. It was a scary experience! Went to Goodhue & Hawkins & after a little educatuion I bought my first Chart. This is now the STATE Location of theMarine Patrol ! still Boat on Winni. As a owner of Island proprety since 81 after renting before that. Lots of fond memorys. kerk
I'm amazed that you damaged your skis, but not the boat. Yes, scary.
BTW, Goodhue and Hawkins Navy Yard is in Wolfeboro, still in business. Sounds like you bought your chart at Goodhue Boat Yard in Glendale, now the site of MP headquarters.
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:31 AM   #46
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You guys weren't serious about a lighthouse on the Witches were you? Or were you???? I thought it was tongue in cheek.
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Thanks for keeping us posted, Shore Things.
Two related bills have been filed. One to adjust membership and establish a quorum of 7. The second one will extend the report deadline from November 2019 to November 2020. That likely means any recommended changes will come as legislation in 2021, pass in June 2021 to be effective January 2022.

HB 219 relative to membership on the Structures on Non-tidal Public Waterways Commission.
HB 228 extending the commission to study the current statutes related to management of non-tidal public waterways and the construction or placement of structures within them.
The Commission can make recommendations on legislation at anytime; they don't have to wait until their final report is out. There is already an LSR (19-0768) in relative to creating a dock registration process. I fully expect them to be reviewing it and commenting on it. They could vote to ask the appropriate legislative committees to push it forward this year, recommend changes, or ask for it to be tabled for review. We'll have to see what happens but what ever it is the Commission's effect will start to be felt this session.
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You guys weren't serious about a lighthouse on the Witches were you? Or were you???? I thought it was tongue in cheek.
The group putting this idea forward is quite serious.
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The group putting this idea forward is quite serious.
How Massachusetts of them.
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The Commission can make recommendations on legislation at anytime; they don't have to wait until their final report is out. There is already an LSR (19-0768) in relative to creating a dock registration process. I fully expect them to be reviewing it and commenting on it. They could vote to ask the appropriate legislative committees to push it forward this year, recommend changes, or ask for it to be tabled for review. We'll have to see what happens but what ever it is the Commission's effect will start to be felt this session.
The deadline for signing off on LSRs/Bills was January 4th. Nobody rose, as far as I can see, to sponsor LSR 768 as a bill, so it is dead. Could come up as an amendment to something else, but unlikely. I stand by my estimate that nothing will happen soon.
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How Massachusetts of them.
Are you sure they are from Massachusetts? Sometimes I get tired of people jumping to this conclusion....

Now having said that... I will absolutely laugh if we start seeing lighthouses on the lake in area's like the Witches... Because once that happens, I see one on Middle ground shoal.... The Graveyard... etc.....

With the charts and electronics available to aide in navigation... people are just not paying attention when they wander into these area's....
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Are you sure they are from Massachusetts? Sometimes I get tired of people jumping to this conclusion....
Lighten up. It was a joke.
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Back in 2001 I suggested (in jest) that this site would sponsor it.
Why not ask the Margate to give back the one that was at the "White Owl Cabins" It would certainly help keep the cost down. I don't think they are using it at the Margate any more. While I'm certainly not sure they are the same exact light house...... I'd have a hard time believing they are not especially when it was essentially right across the street at one time.




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The deadline for signing off on LSRs/Bills was January 4th. Nobody rose, as far as I can see, to sponsor LSR 768 as a bill, so it is dead. Could come up as an amendment to something else, but unlikely. I stand by my estimate that nothing will happen soon.
LSR 768 is now HB 645-FN
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/lsr_...?id=821&type=4
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