Village Kitchen 2022

[phoenix]

Samiam Will you be open for dinner this summer

[SAMIAM]

Not looking good right now. We're not getting any applications for seasonal workers and as much as I hate to lose nights, we just can't ask our loyal staff work double shifts all summer. They gladly step up when needed but it would be unfair to put that burden on them.
If things change and people start applying, we would open back up as soon as possible.
Thanks for asking....wish I had better news

[phoenix]

understandable but disappointing Bob

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Not looking good right now. We're not getting any applications for seasonal workers and as much as I hate to lose nights, we just can't ask our loyal staff work double shifts all summer. They gladly step up when needed but it would be unfair to put that burden on them.
If things change and people start applying, we would open back up as soon as possible.
Thanks for asking....wish I had better news

This is sad to hear, I was hoping that the hiring issues of last summer would be in the rear view mirror at this point. Apparently not, I can't imaging how hard it is making trying to run a successful business at this time.....

[tummyman]

Samiam....are you suggesting that the current three nights might also be eliminated???? UGH..... Let's hope that you can at least keep the current schedule.

[SAMIAM]

Originally Posted by tummyman

Samiam....are you suggesting that the current three nights might also be eliminated???? UGH..... Let's hope that you can at least keep the current schedule.

Going to hang on for a while but as spring business picks up we'll have to drop nights unless we get additional staff

[tis]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Going to hang on for a while but as spring business picks up we'll have to drop nights unless we get additional staff

Strange this shortage of workers has gone on so long. I was wondering if some of it could be to the fact that people don't take as many second jobs as much any more??

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by tis

Strange this shortage of workers has gone on so long.

How are they supporting themselves without an income?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

How are they supporting themselves without an income?

Many of those people were in the US on temporary work visas that have not been available for the past 5 years or so.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Many of those people were in the US on temporary work visas that have not been available for the past 5 years or so.

Also, the Great Resignation.

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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Also, the Great Resignation.

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Here's a great piece with data on the great resignation being over. It gets to Mr V's question and my response--people are supporting themselves with better jobs as the economy improves, and we're missing a lot of immigrants

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/o...mployment.html

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Here's a great piece with data on the great resignation being over. It gets to Mr V's question and my response--people are supporting themselves with better jobs as the economy improves, and we're missing a lot of immigrants

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/o...mployment.html

That's behind a pay wall, but didn't you just say what I suggested? That "people are supporting themselves with better jobs" because they left lower-paying ones? I'm definitely not suggesting that immigrant labor isn't a thing, but I know a lot of people who fit into the "Great Resignation" thing who left part-time or low(er) paying jobs because it was a break-even proposition with daycare, etc.

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[garysanfran]

Where does someone go for a better job who just turned 16?

Most people, at 16, are (or should be) getting their first jobs. They're usually not making career decisions and moving up.

At 16, I was working in a restaurant washing dishes. At 17, I moved up to busboy. I liked the money and money was what motivated me. What's not motivating 16 yr. olds?

I have an 18 yr. old nephew who has no intentions of ever working. He keeps asking me if I'm leaving all my stuff to him when I pass on. I think he's looking forward to, and relying on, that a bit too much. Especially since I've told him I plan on having nothing when I die except a house he can never afford to own... and selling it, and splitting the proceeds with others...Yup, sorry, ain't gonna be enough left for him to make it.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

That's behind a pay wall, but didn't you just say what I suggested? That "people are supporting themselves with better jobs" because they left lower-paying ones? I'm definitely not suggesting that immigrant labor isn't a thing, but I know a lot of people who fit into the "Great Resignation" thing who left part-time or low(er) paying jobs because it was a break-even proposition with daycare, etc.

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Sadly, data charts in the article will not copy.

Yes, we agree that people are supporting themselves with better jobs, and I also know underemployed low wage people who would not have been underemployed years ago. But more broadly for the economy as a whole, the Great Resignation of people leaving the work altogether is gone. Workforce participation adjusted for demographics, etc is back to normal.

The labor shortage today is not a Great Resignation (of people checking out), it is lack of immigration, demographics, and in certain areas such as ours, a tough housing shortage.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Sadly, data charts in the article will not copy.

Yes, we agree that people are supporting themselves with better jobs, and I also know underemployed low wage people who would not have been underemployed years ago. But more broadly for the economy as a whole, the Great Resignation of people leaving the work altogether is gone. Workforce participation adjusted for demographics, etc is back to normal.

The labor shortage today is not a Great Resignation (of people checking out), it is lack of immigration, demographics, and in certain areas such as ours, a tough housing shortage.

I just heard tonight that yesterday's report showed 3.6% unemployment, historically low, which might support your comments. In any case, it's not cool.

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[GusMan]

Aside from all this talk about economics, employment stats etc.

Breakfast this morning at the VK was outstanding! I arrived to an (almost) empty parking lot at 6:45am... fishing an 8am bass tournament out of Harilla Landing. Thought it might be closed... but open it was! Sat at the breakfast bar and was served coffee immediate by the (always) outstanding staff.

But, no menu! I found out food service started at 7:00am. At 7:00 and 12 seconds my order was taken... Biscuits, Sausage Gravy, scrambled eggs and homefries (extra homefries please!). Awesome!

In these hard times of getting good help... the VK somehow hires the best! Kudos to those servers.. and the owners/management team for making the VK the excellent experience!

Best of luck....

Gusman

[phoenix]

The WSJ today had an article that teen unemployment was down to a pre pandemic rate of 10%. are there no teens in the lakes region that want to work?

[Billy Bob]

Originally Posted by phoenix

The WSJ today had an article that teen unemployment was down to a pre pandemic rate of 10%. are there no teens in the lakes region that want to work?

Many of the teens DO work . There just are not that many in the area to take the jobs. Ageing population in the lakes region . There are better paying and more interesting jobs available then washing dishes at the VK .

[sky's]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

How are they supporting themselves without an income?

its called BIG GOVERNMENT thats how democrats buy your votes.

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by sky's

its called BIG GOVERNMENT thats how democrats buy your votes.

Really?

The hand outs ended long ago.

Unemployment has dried up.

Yet people somehow don't work yet get by; how?

[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by tis

Strange this shortage of workers has gone on so long. I was wondering if some of it could be to the fact that people don't take as many second jobs as much any more??

When I was looking for summer jobs in the 1960s and the 1970s, it was almost impossible unless you knew someone to get in somewhere. Everyone was so grateful to have a job. There were much fewer restaurants back then, but the population was also about a third of what it is now in Belknap County and in Carroll County.

I don’t know if the population is just growing older. Even though there are more people, are there less teenagers?

[thinkxingu]

I have to wonder why some places struggle to find help and others don't. The Boro this morning had, like, six young people working while Anika's, literally a mile down the road, can't find help.

Is it money, culture, expertise? All?

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[phoenix]

idk but interesting comment. Last summer you couldn't go by any establishment without seeing a help wanted sign. I guess owners with adjust with hours etc and patrons will adjust to longer waits

[camp guy]

I may trip over my own response, but I will try to make my point. Years past, youth went to work for two basic reasons, 1), to earn money (whether in the economy or a family business, nevertheless, to earn money, and 2), as a way to gain experience and develop character. Earning money speaks for itself, but experience and character covers a w - i - d - e range of life, something only gained by actually doing it.

My question, in the real time of today, is, "How are the unemployed youth of today receiving this "life's education" without actually "doing it" in the market place.?

I had a variety of jobs growing up, and even today, some 60+ years removed from those days, something will trigger a memory from the 'way-back' and I reflect on how lucky I was to have had variety of different jobs and be exposed to the people I worked with and gained experience and character from them.

[Garcia]

I read often on this forum about teenagers not working. My question - is this true? In my town all the teenagers I know work, including my own. Often it is just in the summer, and many I know work under the table and/or do not file tax returns. Does this make it seem like they are not working? Colleges seem to start earlier than when I went, so my kids are back in school before August is over. My kids also go to the lakes region regularly - and don't work when there (neither do I).

It seems there are way more seasonal jobs in the lakes region than there are teenagers or season employees.

I'm really just curious.

[thinkxingu]

I am working with ~120 high school seniors this year, and almost all of them work year-round and most have activities and/or sports. It is very, very rare for a student of mine to not do anything besides school.

Of those students, I know around 15 that have camps/homes/summer rentals around a lake (Winni, Newfound, Ossipee) but none that work there. As someone posted on this forum before, the pay in MA is wayyy better, so, like the person who posted, my students work in MA and head north to play.

I will add that L'il Buddy, who turns twelve in a few weeks, and I have talked about his first job and, more than likely, it will not be working at a store/restaurant, etc. He currently does basic landscaping jobs making somewhere in the $25/hr.+ range, which there's no way he can match working for someone else. In fact, he's already gotten his own push mower, weed whacker, rakes, shovels, etc. throughout the process these last two years.

That's one less summer worker for the region!

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

I will add that L'il Buddy, who turns twelve in a few weeks, and I have talked about his first job and, more than likely, it will not be working at a store/restaurant, etc. He currently does basic landscaping jobs making somewhere in the $25/hr.+ range, which there's no way he can match working for someone else. In fact, he's already gotten his own push mower, weed whacker, rakes, shovels, etc. throughout the process these last two years.

That's one less summer worker for the region!

This is AWESOME!!! I love that he can earn $25/hr at age 12--a testament to brains and determination, I'm sure. Also a good illustration of why it's tough to fill low level level jobs at restaurants. Please tell your son I salute him

[garysanfran]

I'm curious about the historic number of students in the area. I tried to find the year-to-year population of Interlakes and I couldn't easily.

If the number is increasing, year-over-year, I'm perplexed as to why the employment shortage for filling entry-level positions.

SAMIAM stated recently, he'd take anyone with a pulse in his restaurant.

Another member recently posted that his 12 yr. old is making over $25/hr. doing landscaping on his own.

The restaurant and entertainment industry is extremely important in this touristy Lakes Region. But, I wonder if the young entry-level kids see the food industry as not career oriented enough?

I saw an article recently on the unreal salary expectations of recent college grads, expecting $100k+ for their first job and the disappointing reality that ensues.

I have friends that have made the food industry their careers and very successfully so.

At the ages of senior citizens today, they're not in the kitchen washing dishes or busing tables. They are in senior management positions or owners.

All of them have at least bachelor degrees in the food industry. One has a masters and has travelled all over the world and lived an exciting life doing so...In my opinion, a landscaper locked into the geography they've built their business in loses some geographical flexibility.

A good food worker can travel almost anywhere worldwide and get employment. Remember, recently before pandemic, all those Eastern European summer workers that would spend their summers here? The Weathervane at The Weirs relied on those workers and has been closed now since 2019.

[SAMIAM]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

I'm curious about the historic number of students in the area. I tried to find the year-to-year population of Interlakes and I couldn't easily.

If the number is increasing, year-over-year, I'm perplexed as to why the employment shortage for filling entry-level positions.

SAMIAM stated recently, he'd take anyone with a pulse in his restaurant.

Another member recently posted that his 12 yr. old is making over $25/hr. doing landscaping on his own.

The restaurant and entertainment industry is extremely important in this touristy Lakes Region. But, I wonder if the young entry-level kids see the food industry as not career oriented enou

I saw an article recently on the unreal salary expectations of recent college grads, expecting $100k+ for their first job and the disappointing reality that ensues.

I have friends that have made the food industry their careers and very successfully so.

At the ages of senior citizens today, they're not in the kitchen washing dishes or busing tables. They are in senior management positions or owners.

All of them have at least bachelor degrees in the food industry. One has a masters and has travelled all over the world and lived an exciting life doing so...In my opinion, a landscaper locked into the geography they've built their business in loses some geographical flexibility.

A good food worker can travel almost anywhere worldwide and get employment. Remember, recently before pandemic, all those Eastern European summer workers that would spend their summers here? The Weathervane at The Weirs relied on those workers and has been closed now since 2019.

Love this post from Gary and totally agree.
After more than 40 years in the business,I have scores of success stories
Kids that started as dishwashers at age 14 or 15 that learned the nuts and bolts of the business and went on to very good jobs in management or as owners their own restaurant.
Restaurant work is good for young people because it teaches them how to navigate the workplace dealing with others.Usually,their first such experience
Also teaches them the value of teamwork.Back of the house as well as the front must work together with precision or things fall apart quickly.
Restaurant work is a good start for any young person.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Love this post from Gary and totally agree.
After more than 40 years in the business,I have scores of success stories
Kids that started as dishwashers at age 14 or 15 that learned the nuts and bolts of the business and went on to very good jobs in management or as owners their own restaurant. Restaurant work is good for young people because it teaches them how to navigate the workplace dealing with others.Usually,their first such experience
Also teaches them the value of teamwork. Back of the house as well as the front must work together with precision or things fall apart quickly.
Restaurant work is a good start for any young person.

Let's not forget that it also teaches empathy and patience—most everybody should work in a retail setting for these reasons.

That being said, given the myriad jobs available to teens that may be more fulfilling or pay better, I can see that restaurant help might suffer.

For example, a fair amount of my students work for camps/after-school programs, etc. that pay well, provide great resume material, and a pipeline to scholarships...and are probably seen as more rewarding. In fact, now that I think about it, I'm not sure I know any seniors working in restaurants.

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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

For example, a fair amount of my students work for camps/after-school programs, etc. that pay well, provide great resume material, and a pipeline to scholarships...and are probably seen as more rewarding. In fact, now that I think about it, I'm not sure I know any seniors working in restaurants.

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This is an excellent point point--my 20-something kids had a huge selection of resume-building (i.e. college application enhancing) activities/jobs to choose from that did not exist decades ago

[trashman]

I agree with SAMIAM in that working in the restaurant industry is an excellent job for teens. People are tough, and when expected to give good service with a smile, in a "customer is always right" environment, there are a lot of lessons learned here. Aside from the hard work, it's great for kids to be able to continuously converse with someone they never met before (and who is an adult).

[8gv]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

I have to wonder why some places struggle to find help and others don't. The Boro this morning had, like, six young people working while Anika's, literally a mile down the road, can't find help.

Is it money, culture, expertise? All?

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The current hiring climate for restaurant employees is something that makes me quite happy to be retired from the business.

While I cannot speak to the specific restaurants mentioned I do know this:

People often don't quit their job, they quit their boss.

[phoenix]

i have been to the VK at least 100 times over many years and i have never run across any employees that went friendly to customers. Notice when the chefs finish cooking a meal they announce the name of the server please. So a great place for a teen to learn .Classy place and if not open Friday nights will have me favorite grilled haddock for lunch

[Descant]

In round numbers, our local school system used to have 4300 students, all grades. Now we have closer to 3500. This is not unusual across the country.

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by Descant

In round numbers, our local school system used to have 4300 students, all grades. Now we have closer to 3500. This is not unusual across the country.

Is that just in Government schools or does it also apply to private schools? Just wondering if there has been a shift from those run by the Govt. to private?

[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

Is that just in Government schools or does it also apply to private schools? Just wondering if there has been a shift from those run by the Govt. to private?

Private schools definitely benefited from the Covid pandemic. Many parents took their children out of public schools which were moving to virtual learning, where most private schools had the ability to continue teaching in class.
I know catholic schools also increased their students.

[TomC]

I was talking to a Real Estate agent yesterday (5/13) and she said in passing that VK is for sale She is a residential agent and didn't indicate whether it was the property or the business or both.

perhaps Samiam can confirm or dispel this rumor....

[SAMIAM]

Originally Posted by TomC

I was talking to a Real Estate agent yesterday (5/13) and she said in passing that VK is for sale She is a residential agent and didn't indicate whether it was the property or the business or both.

perhaps Samiam can confirm or dispel this rumor....

Yes,it's true.Hate to leave the business but way past retirement time for us.

[tis]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Yes,it's true.Hate to leave the business but way past retirement time for us.

😢 I am sorry to hear this, Sam, (happy for you) and good luck with a sale and retirement. It's bittersweet.

[Susie Cougar]

I’m sorry to hear this too, Sam, but wish you and your family the very best in your future.

If there’s one bright side, the real estate market is red hot.

[phoenix]

Bob are you keeping the red hill dairy

[SAMIAM]

Originally Posted by phoenix

Bob are you keeping the red hill dairy

Yes....it's only seasonal so it's pretty problem free....except finding staff.
Can't believe we're not getting kids for summer jobs

[phoenix]

seems like a modification of the peter paul and mary song " where have all the children gone"

[Susie Cougar]

How much has school enrollment gone down in recent years, or has it?

[SailinAway]

Re working teenagers, when I was a high school teacher (I left 20 years ago), teenagers overworking outside school was a severe problem. They exceeded the legal number of hours for their age and prioritized work over school. The reason for working was sometimes an expensive vehicle they had to have.

I've tried to hire quite a few teenagers to work on my property. It has been a consistent failure. 50% don't show up on the first day. Half of those who do, don't show up on the second day. Every time I look out the window, they're on their cell phones. I end up working alongside them to keep them moving and doing most of the work myself.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

How much has school enrollment gone down in recent years, or has it?

Somebody mentioned this in another thread saying it has gone down in, I believe, Moultonboro. I believe the Gov. Wentworth student enrollment is down also. Haven't seen anything about Meredith/Laconia area.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

Private schools definitely benefited from the Covid pandemic. Many parents took their children out of public schools which were moving to virtual learning, where most private schools had the ability to continue teaching in class.

I know catholic schools also increased their students.

I know the private/prep schools in the lakes region did move to virtual learning twice, fall of 2020, returned January 2021 and went virtual again early April 2021.


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[SAMIAM]

Getting no summer applications at the Village Kitchen but surprised that no kids are applying yet at the Red Hill Dari
We badly need counter staff there
If any of you have kids looking for summer work (14 and over) send them by to train now on weekends and more hours during summer.
With inflation cutting so deep.......I'd think kids would be needing some spending money.

[Susie Cougar]

SAMIAM,
I feel so bad for your situation. I love the Red Hill Dari, and the Village Kitchen, and have so many fond memories of eating there.

I am wondering if you could eliminate the need for counter help by having customers place their orders themselves. I know some restaurants have touch screens, like Wawa does.
I am in Florida and since the pandemic we have been getting many food trucks coming into our neighborhood. At first, they were swamped and couldn’t keep up. Now, you can place your order on your own telephone and they will let you know when it is ready. I wonder if you could do something like either of these ideas?

Does anyone else have any other ideas? Instead of just commenting on the lack of help in the area, let’s put our heads together and see if we can’t figure out a solution.

[Billy Bob]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

SAMIAM,
I feel so bad for your situation. I love the Red Hill Dari, and the Village Kitchen, and have so many fond memories of eating there.

I am wondering if you could eliminate the need for counter help by having customers place their orders themselves. I know some restaurants have touch screens, like Wawa does.
I am in Florida and since the pandemic we have been getting many food trucks coming into our neighborhood. At first, they were swamped and couldn’t keep up. Now, you can place your order on your own telephone and they will let you know when it is ready. I wonder if you could do something like either of these ideas?

Does anyone else have any other ideas? Instead of just commenting on the lack of help in the area, let’s put our heads together and see if we can’t figure out a solution.

It’s actually simple and basic. supply and demand.
The restaurants that pay the highest wages with a positive work environment find employees. They increase prices to cover the cost.
Some folks won’t adjust the business model and eventually ( quickly) get forced out.
Someone had his cheese moved

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob

It’s actually simple and basic. supply and demand.
The restaurants that pay the highest wages with a positive work environment find employees. They increase prices to cover the cost.
Some folks won’t adjust the business model and eventually ( quickly) get forced out.
Someone had his cheese moved

It's easy to criticize when you're not in the arena. We're talking about a couple of terrific places that have tough business models. I do not know Sam, but my impression from many a meal is that he cares about more than just money.

My first job in high school was at a fried fish place not too different from Red Hill. The added food costs and perishability--compared to pizza, just for example--was brutal, especially for a guy trying to keep everything affordable.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob

It’s actually simple and basic. supply and demand.
The restaurants that pay the highest wages with a positive work environment find employees. They increase prices to cover the cost.
Some folks won’t adjust the business model and eventually ( quickly) get forced out.
Someone had his cheese moved

I disagree. It is hard to find enough help today, period.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

Is that just in Government schools or does it also apply to private schools? Just wondering if there has been a shift from those run by the Govt. to private?

Birth rates were dropping long before any pandemic effect. Maybe we'll see a bump in the numbers after everybody stayed home in 2020? Or did they all just adopt pets? That number was way up.

[phoenix]

Vk has a lot of locals who can eat out inexpensively. So not easy to just raise prices. Cutting hours likely still best solution if help is not on the way

[TheTimeTraveler]

Working at the Village Kitchen is a great opportunity for any Senior citizen.

It was only a few short years ago that folks in their 50's or 60's had difficulty in finding someone who would hire them......

[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler

Working at the Village Kitchen is a great opportunity for any Senior citizen.

It was only a few short years ago that folks in their 50's or 60's had difficulty in finding someone who would hire them......

You know, this idea has crossed my mind also. I read so much about seniors on Social Security and how they cannot get by. And you’re right, it wasn’t that long ago that we faced age discrimination in the workforce.

I’m glad to see some other ideas.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

You know, this idea has crossed my mind also. I read so much about seniors on Social Security and how they cannot get by. And you’re right, it wasn’t that long ago that we faced age discrimination in the workforce.

I’m glad to see some other ideas.

Depending on the jobs we're talking about here, I find it difficult to believe that someone in their 50's+ would want to spend an hour of their life for, what, $10-12 after taxes?

I think Walmart is able to pick up greeters and other simple jobs because they're very easy and social. But running around at an ice cream counter or washing dishes, serving, etc.?

Sam, what demographic are you missing these days? Is it local kids, seasonal/foreign workers, older people? Is it a worker shortage or an inability to attract people to work?

I mention this last piece because everybody's talking about the teacher shortage in America when, in reality, there isn't a teacher shortage at all—teachers are just choosing to get out of the business because, well, (for many) it's not awesome to be in education these days. I wonder if it's the same for the food and other industries.

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[phoenix]

there is an interesting article today In the Journal about lack of service help in every state. Pools remain closed, camps limit attendance, trolleys in Maine shut down because no drivers, restaurants (just as VK) reduce hours and days. Establishments having to pay more but still get no one applying for jobs. People show up and quit. Biden authorized about 35K more foreign temps. No reason other than demand is up and i guess people going to higher paying industries Red hill cant even get 14 year olds to apply . I am not sure other than immigration anything will change