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Old 04-10-2020, 08:25 PM   #1
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Arrow Opening for Business—State By State?

Texas will be "opening for business" in two weeks.

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"As President Trump has consistently emphasized, a strategy designed to safely reopen the nation’s economy will not involve a one-size-fits-all timeline. Texas, in large part to its advanced emergency management practices that have evolved from decades of practice dealing with major storm, fire, drought and hurricane events, has been able to weather this latest storm better than most".
Is the US ready for "The Bounce"?
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The fact that they're still referring to it as the China virus precludes them from serious consideration.

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Your ignorance is showing. Texas is a wonderful place and are thinking for themselves. Hopefully our Governor will do the same


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Your ignorance is showing. Texas is a wonderful place and are thinking for themselves. Hopefully our Governor will do the same


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I was referring to the news source, not the state of Texas. But by all means, attack first and ask questions later.


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Sabine Parish, Louisiana, "un-bans" short term rentals—opens to tourism.

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MANY, La. – There’s some good news ahead for the owners of rental facilities in Sabine Parish. Sabine Parish Police Jury President Mike McCormick has said he intends to end the ban on short-term rentals on April 30, District Attorney Don Burkett announced Monday on Facebook. “I concur with this decision,” Burkett said.

That means those business owners can begin taking reservations for the month of May and beyond.
McCormick issued a parish-wide order on March 30 ending all vacation rentals and telling those who were staying in the parish temporarily to leave by April 2.
Can our Belknap County be far behind?

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The fact that they're still referring to it as the China virus precludes them from serious consideration.
To that *phobia-construct issue, Bill Maher exclaimed:

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Zika Virus = Zika Forest
West Nile Virus = River in Egypt
Ebola = Ebola River, ‎Democratic Republic of the Congo
Hantavirus = Hantan River, South Korea
Guinea Worms = sovereign West African Country
Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever = Colorado
Spanish Flu = ~Spain
MERS = Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome
Lyme disease = Connecticut

"So why should China get a pass," Maher questioned.
What was Bill Maher smoking?

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I'm not downplaying the seriousness of this virus at all, but at some point we are going to have to find some middle ground and get back to some semblance of normalcy. Kids need to be back at school (online learning is not the future of K-12 education), businesses need to reopen. The long term effects of this on our economy and mental health are just as serious.
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Because epidemiologists have named it coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) and only people with an agenda call it the China virus.


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Because epidemiologists have named it coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) and only people with an agenda call it the China virus.
Exactly, it's just kind of weird and makes you wonder if you can trust anything else they're saying as objective
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An interesting sidebar. Do people realize the Spanish Flu in all likelihood did not originate in Spain?
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Wow -- did you just accuse everyone who uses "China Virus" or "Chinese Virus" as a racist?

You didn't say the word "racist", but by accusing someone of having an "agenda" by referring to the virus by a commonly used nickname that includes the country of origin....sounds like you are accusing racism.
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Wow -- did you just accuse everyone who uses "China Virus" or "Chinese Virus" as a racist?

You didn't say the word "racist", but by accusing someone of having an "agenda" by referring to the virus by a commonly used nickname that includes the country of origin....sounds like you are accusing racism.
Oh, stop--she accused everyone who uses term Chinese virus of following Republican talking points in order to deflect attention away from the President's handling of this crisis. If you doubt the talking points aspect, Google the terms and you'll see clearly how its usage came to be

(And let's leave Bill Maher out of this--idiocy and meanness are not confined to one side of the aisle)
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Oh, stop--she accused everyone who uses term Chinese virus of following Republican talking points in order to deflect attention away from the President's handling of this crisis. If you doubt the talking points aspect, Google the terms and you'll see clearly how its usage came to be

(And let's leave Bill Maher out of this--idiocy and meanness are not confined to one side of the aisle)
Thank you for clarifying her meaning -- how I read the comment was not as you just explained on her behalf.
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That’s absurd. We have had SARS, MERS, Hong Kong flu, West Nile virus, and many others. I guess Legionaires Disease was also discriminatory. If the virus originated in China, what would you prefer to call it?
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Due to CV-19, Scot has given up being a financial professional and has become a mind reader.
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That’s absurd. We have had SARS, MERS, Hong Kong flu, West Nile virus, and many others. I guess Legionaires Disease was also discriminatory. If the virus originated in China, what would you prefer to call it?
I'm sure some folks in CT wish Lyme Disease was named something else too!
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Lots of posts saying NH needs to open up the economy. Yet, what appears to be missing in many of these threads, is a direct answer to a question that keeps getting asked: Opening the economy in the Lakes Region will look like……what?

Open Up supporters - here’s your chance. How and when does it happen? You tell us.

Tough challenges for the summer. MC Week and concerts appears to be shelved. Crowded bars will probably not be an option.

Restaurants may open, at half the capacity. Can they even survive with that?

Who is your labor pool for all the tourist jobs? It does not appear that places like NASWA will be importing foreign workers. Who are the locals that will grab those $7.50/hr jobs? They weren’t around last year.

Most importantly - who are your tourists? Will anyone want to come to NH? Will NH actually welcome tourists? There appears to be a big divide locally between “stay out” and “please come”.

There are some landlords here. Are you going to charge full rent for the summer? If you lease to a restaurant are you going to charge less? When is the cancellation dates for tourist summer rentals?
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Nahhh. We say it keeps the riff raff out.
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Interesting article featuring our next door neighbors.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...ca/ar-BB12BatO

So many small businesses that operate on a shoestring may not be back. I suspect there will be a fair share of empty storefronts in the near future - especially if the summer season is 'cancelled'. I'm for doing what's necessary to save lives and ensure the virus doesn't return and inflict even greater damage to the economy. Yet, this article does make you think. In the short term anyway, it seems we may be in deep doo doo no matter what direction we take.

I believe that in the long haul, we stand to lose many small businesses but with the natural resources we have in the Lakes Region, small business (especially small business) will always have a chance to thrive here. Not so however for many other rural areas that don't have the draws that we do.
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Even when things do open up it's going to be different for quite a while.
I know my wife and I will be a little more gun shy about visiting any place with a crowd.
But will any place be crowded this summer?
Will people continue wearing masks and gloves?
Will restaurants remove tables and seats to keep the 6' distances and will they remove bar stools?
How will the Dive and the Mount handle the crowds?
They talk about a new normal but we don't know what that will look like yet.
I think this summer is going to look much different than last.
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Talking Re-Opening Dates, State-by-State...

A whole bunch of Wolfeboro's storefronts feature real estate companies: I'd expect even more this season!

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Both the Black Plague and Spanish flu originated in China. (National Geographic).

COVID-19 is too easy to forget, is not its scientific name, and has already started mutating. Its vaccine will be ready by summer, 2021. Even COVID-18 gets a mention on this forum.

The countries of Taiwan, Vietnam, and city-states like Hong Kong--with "an agenda"--have named it CCP-Flu. (Communist China Party-Flu).

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An interesting sidebar. Do people realize the Spanish Flu in all likelihood did not originate in Spain?
Noticing the use of ~ in ~Spain.

States' amended dates for reopening:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzanne.../#226493cb61b1

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Wow -- did you just accuse everyone who uses "China Virus" or "Chinese Virus" as a racist? You didn't say the word "racist", but by accusing someone of having an "agenda" by referring to the virus by a commonly used nickname that includes the country of origin....sounds like you are accusing racism.
There are more than 16 ethnicities in China. (Wikipedia).
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Historical uses of disease names are irrelevant to this discussion.

Geographic names have been applied to diseases/plagues at least since the Middle Ages. Syphilis, in particular, has had many place names, and in this context the names HAVE been used against the enemy. Example, in England syphilis was the French disease when France was the enemy.

Likewise, names have been used as an honor. German measles ( rubella) was named in honor of the German scientist who distinguished it from measles (rubeola).

And, as pointed out, West Nile Fever and Lyme disease are just geographic names with no political connotation.

Initially, calling Covid 19, (which isn’t its real name) Wuhan Flu, or Chinese Flu was not necessarily racist but primarily geographic.

But context is all.

When the President continued to call it the Chinese virus despite the much more widespread use of Covid 19 it was either because he could not remember Covid 19 or he had a political purpose in mind, reminding us it came from CHINA.

It is a total waste of time to bicker about this ( or to read my opinion ) when the members of the Forum who are interested in such trivialities perfectly well know that, in general, the more politically right of us who support the president tend to use Chinese virus and the more left and the scientific community use Covid 19 or (SARS-CoV-2).
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Historical uses of disease names are irrelevant to this discussion.

Geographic names have been applied to diseases/plagues at least since the Middle Ages. Syphilis, in particular, has had many place names, and in this context the names HAVE been used against the enemy. Example, in England syphilis was the French disease when France was the enemy.

Likewise, names have been used as an honor. German measles ( rubella) was named in honor of the German scientist who distinguished it from measles (rubeola).

And, as pointed out, West Nile Fever and Lyme disease are just geographic names with no political connotation.

Initially, calling Covid 19, (which isn’t its real name) Wuhan Flu, or Chinese Flu was not necessarily racist but primarily geographic.

But context is all.

When the President continued to call it the Chinese virus despite the much more widespread use of Covid 19 it was either because he could not remember Covid 19 or he had a political purpose in mind, reminding us it came from CHINA.

It is a total waste of time to bicker about this ( or to read my opinion ) when the members of the Forum who are interested in such trivialities perfectly well know that, in general, the more politically right of us who support the president tend to use Chinese virus and the more left and the scientific community use Covid 19 or (SARS-CoV-2).
There is far right and far left. Most americans fall somewhere in the middle. Most of us are able to think on or our own and not believe the news 100% nor not believe 100% (fake news).

So while I agree with what you said I think the reality is more nuanced. Trying not to wade into politics here but the current President does not fall into what traditional Republicans stood for just as Bernie Sanders does not represent the typical Democrat. News media that carry only one side of the story are probably most at fault for our becoming so polarized but shame on anyone who does not listen or read contrary opinions to make an informed choice on what is true.
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There is far right and far left. Most americans fall somewhere in the middle. Most of us are able to think on or our own and not believe the news 100% nor not believe 100% (fake news).

So while I agree with what you said I think the reality is more nuanced. Trying not to wade into politics here but the current President does not fall into what traditional Republicans stood for just as Bernie Sanders does not represent the typical Democrat. News media that carry only one side of the story are probably most at fault for our becoming so polarized but shame on anyone who does not listen or read contrary opinions to make an informed choice on what is true.
Amazon's Jeff Bezos purchased The Washington Post just a few years after it was sold at auction for $1.

The Washington Post editors famously "spike" the news stories that don't fit Bezos' agenda.

However, that agenda took a hit yesterday with their latest opinion-piece that the virus lab at Wuhan (located in Communist China) has been the subject of repeated US inspections regarding their sloppy security- and work-ethic!

https://www-washingtonpost-com.cdn.a...ronaviruses%2F
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Amazon's Jeff Bezos purchased The Washington Post just a few years after it was sold at auction for $1.

The Washington Post editors famously "spike" the news stories that don't fit Bezos' agenda.

However, that agenda took a hit yesterday with their latest opinion-piece that the virus lab at Wuhan (located in Communist China) has been the subject of repeated US inspections regarding their sloppy security- and work-ethic!

https://www-washingtonpost-com.cdn.a...ronaviruses%2F
$1?? " In October 2013, the paper's longtime controlling family, the Graham family, sold the newspaper to Nash Holdings, a holding company established by Jeff Bezos, for $250 million in cash.

The Washington Post - Wikipedia"

On the other issue the Post is simply leading with the story about the sloppy work done at Wuhan. No agenda. You know it is a beautiful thing when people have the ability to understand the differences between a news story and an op-ed. When they can't it is sad, very sad.
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$1?? " In October 2013, the paper's longtime controlling family, the Graham family, sold the newspaper to Nash Holdings, a holding company established by Jeff Bezos, for $250 million in cash.

The Washington Post - Wikipedia"

On the other issue the Post is simply leading with the story about the sloppy work done at Wuhan. No agenda. You know it is a beautiful thing when people have the ability to understand the differences between a news story and an op-ed. When they can't it is sad, very sad.
I think it's pretty clear that ApS doesn't understand, or intentionally manipulates, facts. There's a sizable history, especially recently, to support that.

In any case, here's an opinion piece by someone who thinks we went too far: https://www.am1100theflag.com/opinio...e-gone-too-far

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"Official names have been announced for the virus responsible for COVID-19 (previously known as “2019 novel coronavirus”) and the disease it causes. The official names are:

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severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2
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It is urgent to understand the future of severe acute respiratory syndrome–coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) transmission. We used estimates of seasonality, immunity, and cross-immunity for betacoronaviruses OC43 and HKU1 from time series data from the USA to inform a model of SARS-CoV-2 transmission. We projected that recurrent wintertime outbreaks of SARS-CoV-2 will probably occur after the initial, most severe pandemic wave. Absent other interventions, a key metric for the success of social distancing is whether critical care capacities are exceeded. To avoid this, prolonged or intermittent social distancing may be necessary into 2022. Additional interventions, including expanded critical care capacity and an effective therapeutic, would improve the success of intermittent distancing and hasten the acquisition of herd immunity. Longitudinal serological studies are urgently needed to determine the extent and duration of immunity to SARS-CoV-2. Even in the event of apparent elimination, SARS-CoV-2 surveillance should be maintained since a resurgence in contagion could be possible as late as 2024."https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...cience.abb5793.
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You know it is a beautiful thing when people have the ability to understand the differences between a news story and an op-ed. When they can't it is sad, very sad.
Most don't get the crutch of what you are stating.

Few comprehend the difference between the news and the opinion shows.

Chris Wallace of Fox News stated it best.

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Trump came out with a 3-stage plan to "get back to normal" today but will "leave it to the governors."

At the same time, Hokkaido, Japan had to reinstate their quarantine less than a month after dropping it.

Clearly a danger in going too quickly.

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We are all interested in how NH attacks it. Us and Maine are in a difficult spot with MA at such a high rate of positives. Can’t close the roads or open to residents only. Thinking this is going until June 1st. Was thinking May 1st for the longest time, but after hearing the Governor the past few nights, can’t see a early open


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"But the existence of a clearly effective treatment regime, thanks to the hydroxychloroquine/zinc combination, and social distancing measures that can be practiced by those in the workplace now make it possible for states to begin shifting from a shelter-in-place strategy to a quarantine-plus-treatment approach."

That boldfaced and colored text, from the original article (https://dbdailyupdate.com/index.php/...as-businesses/), should tell us everything we need to know about that source. There are a lot of studies just starting or currently in progress involving hydroxychloroquine, but they may all end up telling us that it does nothing, nada, zip. (Psssst: Those hopeful stories you've see on the news (i.e., the anecdotes)? They might all be...wait for it... coincidence. That's why they're now doing the larger scale, randomized, placebo-controlled, (ideally) double-blind studies. ) To pretend there's an effective "treatment" available will most assuredly have one effect: people will relax safety measures. Then we'll see the wisdom of Texas.

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I WILL change my out in public habits, especially immediately after the restrictions are lifted, and probably for six or more months after that.

The big fear of course is that once social distancing etc. is lifted people will once again mix freely, and those who still are infected will infect others: hello, round two.

But what else can you do?

I'll tell you: the safest thing to do is to keep restrictions in effect until a truly viable vaccine is developed, and we've all been inoculated with it: only then should the restrictions be lifted.

But I understand the pressure to get "back to normal" is intense, but most politicians are weak, venal creatures who will bow to the prevailing winds to ensure reelection.

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I WILL change my out in public habits, especially immediately after the restrictions are lifted, and probably for six or more months after that.

The big fear of course is that once social distancing etc. is lifted people will once again mix freely, and those who still are infected will infect others: hello, round two.

But what else can you do?

I'll tell you: the safest thing to do is to keep restrictions in effect until a truly viable vaccine is developed, and we've all been inoculated with it: only then should the restrictions be lifted.

But I understand the pressure to get "back to normal" is intense, but most politicians are weak, venal creatures who will bow to the prevailing winds to ensure reelection.

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I would hope that as we start to reopen the businesses (at least those that have survived the forced closing) that face masks ( and gloves if applicable) are available for anybody who feels they need it in the workplace. Those with pre-existing medical conditions or who are over 60 will need to take extra precautions as each person sees fit. Social distancing will likely remain for a bit - as much as it can - in the workplace and retail. Start reopening sooner than later to save as many businesses and livelihoods as possible.

As for a vaccine - that could take up to 6 months or so. And by that time will the virus have mutated? Then what -- we start this all over again? Round two may be inevitable, no matter how much we try to prevent it.

As we've seen in the last several days US citizens are growing weary of being told to continue to sacrifice -- more and more are protesting as they want to go back to work and make money so they can pay their rent or mortgage, feed their families, keep their vehicles, etc. Many are rightfully concerned that the rights they've so freely given up this last month will not return - and that possibility is frightening.

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There's something inconsistent about how the pols and experts have morphed the "mask" issue.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but early on didn't they tell us not to bother to wear masks?

Now it is suggested that we wear them?

Why? What changed?

As I understand it, the ONLY GOOD THING that masks can do is prevent you from giving the virus to someone if you already have it: it will not protect someone who is exposed to it.

Aren't our eyes a vulnerable area and subject to catching the virus?

Shouldn't we wear goggles also?

I like the design pictured below: clever, but is it effective?

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Regardless of any efforts, two things always determine the outcome of any given situation like this: (1) Individual level mental health AND human nature; and (2) Cold, cruel finances. Those two things are in the minds of all high-level officials as they consider opening things up again. I really don't think the idea of opening up for Easter was ever serious. Certain things have to be suggested in order to keep people as calm as possible. Very likely they knew "lockdown" would require a couple months minimum, but that news would not have gone over very well. They started us off with "For a couple of weeks" and have gone incrementally from there.

Why? All high level officials get briefed on typical human reactions to certain things, and they all spend lots of time looking at budgets. They don't come out and deliver the cold realities because that produces horrible reactions. They know we can't stay like this or we WILL break, mentally and financially, and they know we can't jump back to the way we were, because the virus is waiting for that to happen. It is as if we are hiding from Africanized killer bees while holding our breath under Lake Winnipesaukee. They're waiting for us to come up because they know we have to. Sometimes life really sucks like that, and we're there now.

Mental health: Around the world right now, individuals ARE breaking down, and nothing can stop that without spreading the virus. My doctor had that conversation with me. Most methods for prevention of mental breakdown, conversion-to-irrationality, and suicide/homicide work against the prevention of diseases. That's "kind of a problem" right now. He admitted there's no point staying safe from a virus if it means you break down instead. He knows I've learned a lot in counseling (and finished) and told me to weigh that stuff with the virus prevention stuff at all times. Both are medical advice. Both are valid. They just happen to work against each other right now, and that sucks, for everyone. There's been plenty of documentation on what happens to normal people under certain circumstances. Civilians don't have military training to raise their tolerance for mental stress. We only have a stigma on mental health that's now screwing us over.

I KNOW firsthand that people who were "normal" before ARE going to be "off" for a while after this happens. "Loss of social skills" doesn't sound like a big deal, but it's one of the leading factors behind every mass shooting and other random acts of horror that no one can understand. When I was newly recovering, I went to every situation I'd known before, and failed miserably. I needed a friend to function as wing-man for the first couple of weeks. He'd stomp my foot if I got too chatty, forgot to shake hands, or committed other social violations. It took 4 months to get back to functioning independently and even then, a group of communications professors I met at a dinner presentation told me they could tell I wasn't 100% yet. They gave me a timeline for return-to-normal-function based on brain cell biology. Those same concepts WILL apply to every person who has mortal human brain cells. We've never been through a psychological scenario (some say "experiment") like this before, ever. So we can only make broad guesses about how people will be. They will NOT be popping back up unless they've been regularly socializing and mixing among others.

Finances: Mental health directly affects the economy. When people feel hopeless about the future, even if it's bright, the economy slumps. The governments of the world aren't going to tell everyone "it's hopeless because we're out of money," because that will incite a worldwide riot. They will try to ease people into the frigid water as the Titanic sinks. There are already signs in various news sources that "we can't keep a system alive much longer without loans or revenue." And the loan sources are drying up around the world because no one has much revenue anymore. Italian news has already mentioned the nation's debt situation very casually. Brits have been posting comments of wondering how long their NHS can stay at full throttle while the tanks are quickly running dry. The US has already seen casual headlines about funds running out. The IMF has already casually hinted at financial catastrophe. It's basic math: Our lifesaving systems require continuous support from a large number of people who are no longer able (or as able) to provide it.

Complications: The masses don't understand vaccines are NOT a cure-all. The flu vaccine is FAR from 100% effective. It's "better than nothing" and that's as good as it's ever been. That's why lots of people still get the flu after getting a shot for it.

The virus has demonstrated (A) an ability to mutate in a host (person) and come out slightly different from how it went in. It's also jumped from animals to humans and back into animals. Wildlife (including but not limited to rats) are moving into the spaces we left vacant. Rats in many cities are now following their noses to where people are generating garbage (home instead of public) and are hungry enough to try getting inside. They carry 55 different pathogens, and coronavirus might already be #56 for all we humans know. We'll be discovering such things in the months ahead. Coyotes are in and around NYC area. They have been known to mate with domestic dogs to create coydogs -- a rabies and maul hazard. Given that coronavirus found its way into a zoo tiger, the idea of a rabid corona coydog isn't far-fetched. These are the things nerds are considering. There's no guarantee they'll happen, but the virus has already shown its ability to make that a reality. We get to find out "yes or no" on the coyotes, rats, and 1,000 other dominoes in the months ahead. The ideal outcome is possible. Hear Clint Eastwood ask us all, "You feelin' lucky punk?"

We have no good options at the moment. Don't expect public announcements to say that. It's been that way in weather for many years. Forecaster discussions have always been the place to learn about the big storm far in advance while the public announcement does its best to pacify the audience until it's time to shout "Blizzard" or "Tornado." A lot of people don't know how to handle the technical explanations that deliver the truth, OR use the information to navigate through it. Tornadoes are approachable, but you MUST know them technically, inside and out or you will die. Same for house fires. Same for germs. People who work in biocontainment labs are the medical equivalent of *trained* storm chasers in meteorology, the same firefighters in 911. They all have training to work with hazards.

Now look around at the number of people using masks and gloves incorrectly. None of them are really protected. They don't know how to use PPE and are just wasting it. Examples: Touching your mask and then touching your face after taking it off -- whatever's on the mask is now on your face where it would've been if you hadn't worn a mask at all. Wearing rubber gloves to the supermarket and using your hands the same as you normally would -- you're still spreading germs to yourself and others, except with latex instead of your skin. People ditching used latex gloves in parking lots -- spreads the virus to anyone who might step on them, or a child who picks one up. Going gloveless and using hand sanitizer is better than tossing used gloves on the ground. That's a huge part of the problem -- we all need medical-grade TRAINING, not just medical grade PPE, and we have plenty of people in society who (no joke) can't manage a "boil water" order for 48 hours.

There are so many "oh crap" factors for this virus. The problem boils down to "on the one hand, we have (A), but then we also must consider (B). Sometimes, (C) will be a factor, and we must weigh the likelihood of (D).

We've become a society of debaters fighting in favor of (A) or (B), when either one will defeat the purpose of the other.

Inspiration: The most hopeful thing to say is a call-out to enterprising people of all thought levels: "Put opinions and emotions aside as much as possible, Get into scientific thinking, make lists of (A) through (D) and produce the solution of best outcome, remembering ideal isn't an option for anyone anymore."

Around the lake we've got some great minds, some outside-the-box thinkers (including innovative rednecks whose ideas are as valid as anyone else's in times like this), we have people inspired by the waves, the sunrises and sunsets, we've got high level people and people connected to high level people. Imagine if a major pandemic solution went into the history books as originating in a bunch of folks at Lake Winnipesaukee.

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I would hope that as we start to reopen the businesses (at least those that have survived the forced closing) that face masks ( and gloves if applicable) are available for anybody who feels they need it in the workplace. Those with pre-existing medical conditions or who are over 60 will need to take extra precautions as each person sees fit. Social distancing will likely remain for a bit - as much as it can - in the workplace and retail. Start reopening sooner than later to save as many businesses and livelihoods as possible.

As for a vaccine - that could take up to 6 months or so. And by that time will the virus have mutated? Then what -- we start this all over again? Round two may be inevitable, no matter how much we try to prevent it.

As we've seen in the last several days US citizens are growing weary of being told to continue to sacrifice -- more and more are protesting as they want to go back to work and make money so they can pay their rent or mortgage, feed their families, keep their vehicles, etc. Many are rightfully concerned that the rights they've so freely given up this last month will not return - and that possibility is frightening.

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As you drink that kool-aid, I might suggest that your think about it.... The issue that you will see once this Stay-Home order is lifted.... many of the minimum wage jobs will continue to be vacant. THIS will force the permanent closure of many retail and RESTAURANT/BAR jobs.

These workers will grab the quick money. (A couple hundred bucks a week for UE plus their windfall of $600/wk). By the time the bonus round of $600/wk is removed, the season will be over... and business will have closed.
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statnews.com How prepared is your county for Covid-19

The above was sent to me today by a friend in Alton.

It is a website that you can plug in any county in the country and see a list of ratings on how well your county is prepared as well as when the virus is expected to peak.


I typed in Carroll County NH- the peak date is AUGUST 3.

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The above was sent to me today by a friend in Alton.

It is a website that you can plug in any county in the country and see a list of ratings on how well your county is prepared as well as when the virus is expected to peak.

I typed in Carroll County NH- the peak date is AUGUST 3.

Scary.
Unfortunately, this is not surprising with the way it spreads. I came up to the lake for the day to take care of some business this week and frankly, I was very surprised at the number of people NOT wearing masks in stores. I saw very few. I know it’s rather odd and can make people self-conscious but if people don’t take this small step,the area will eventually be hit at least moderately hard as more people arrive in the area as the weather warms. I also saw many people stopping and talking with each other as if nothing was going on. The vast majority of experts say social distancing works. Stop and talk, just stay far enough apart. I fear for what this summer and autumn will look like here if what I witnessed is the norm.


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This is not to be snarky, but a serious question.

Didn’t the 2009 H1N1 pandemic originate in and was first identified in the United States, before it spread to rest of world?

My recollection is that thousands died in the US and across the world, but I don’t recall a big push by others to rename it the American flu.
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H1N1 originated in Mexico; however, it was identified in the USA harbored in a ten year-old.

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Unfortunately, this is not surprising with the way it spreads. I came up to the lake for the day to take care of some business this week and frankly, I was very surprised at the number of people NOT wearing masks in stores. I saw very few. I know it’s rather odd and can make people self-conscious but if people don’t take this small step,the area will eventually be hit at least moderately hard as more people arrive in the area as the weather warms. I also saw many people stopping and talking with each other as if nothing was going on. The vast majority of experts say social distancing works. Stop and talk, just stay far enough apart. I fear for what this summer and autumn will look like here if what I witnessed is the norm.


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Hold on, you came up to the Lake for the day and were out shopping? You're giving people grief about not wearing masks?
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Hold on, you came up to the Lake for the day and were out shopping? You're giving people grief about not wearing masks?
I'm not sure where you got "giving people grief"? I was making an observation based on guidelines issued by the government saying that people should wear face coverings and that people should maintain social distance when in public spaces. Both of which I was observing when I went shopping, which is my right to do.

My point was that based on what I saw, it won't be surprising if the lack of observance creates issues later on. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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I'm not sure where you got "giving people grief"? I was making an observation based on guidelines issued by the government saying that people should wear face coverings and that people should maintain social distance when in public spaces. Both of which I was observing when I went shopping, which is my right to do.

My point was that based on what I saw, it won't be surprising if the lack of observance creates issues later on. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
I agree that it may cause issues. I was pointing out that coming here from somewhere, shopping and then posting about the lack of face coverings is a little hypocritical, given the guidance and directives from our officials.
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Unfortunately, this is not surprising with the way it spreads. I came up to the lake for the day to take care of some business this week and frankly, I was very surprised at the number of people NOT wearing masks in stores. I saw very few. I know it’s rather odd and can make people self-conscious but if people don’t take this small step,the area will eventually be hit at least moderately hard as more people arrive in the area as the weather warms. I also saw many people stopping and talking with each other as if nothing was going on. The vast majority of experts say social distancing works. Stop and talk, just stay far enough apart. I fear for what this summer and autumn will look like here if what I witnessed is the norm.


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I think you totally missed the point that you are part of the way that it spreads. You’re not supposed to come up here and go into stores before you have spent 14 days in quarantine to make sure that you are safe to go out to stores.
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I think you totally missed the point that you are part of the way that it spreads. You’re not supposed to come up here and go into stores before you have spent 14 days in quarantine to make sure that you are safe to go out to stores.
You should be far less worried about me, who practices social distancing, wears a mask, uses a bucket of hand sanitizer a week, than you should be of the zero people I saw wearing masks last week. Make no mistake, people are still traveling. I saw plenty of out of state plates up there as I see plenty of them daily in MA.


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You should be far less worried about me, who practices social distancing, wears a mask, uses a bucket of hand sanitizer a week, than you should be of the zero people I saw wearing masks last week. Make no mistake, people are still traveling. I saw plenty of out of state plates up there as I see plenty of them daily in MA.


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So, we went to work on the house at the lake from Nashua 04/18, went did our stuff came back home, no stops, here's what we saw Motorcycles everywhere (I also Ride), out of state plates, for the most part NO one social distancing or mask. Ok, so I must admit I was somewhat taken back, truth in Nashua many folks are adhering to the program, and not for nothing, Ma is 3rd highest cases in the USA, Middlesex County being the worse, the county that borders Southern NH, where many folks pass through heading north, no offence folks, but the Boston Mayor stated he was very disappointed in those NOT following guidelines, I'm not saying it was just MA and/or out of state folks, but summer isn't here yet!
There seems to be some apathy about this virus, some don't realize when they start TRACING(Look it Up) many folks will wind up in quarantine for at least 14 days, just by association, yea the peep standing next to you, or the older folks walking by when you coughed. Not for nothing, what does rebelling or failing to do the basic 's accomplish. If you have the bug, you and all those who decided to snub the recommendations wind up in quarantine for at least 14 days (Sick or Not), that'll suck huh. Or perhaps worse, one of your loved becomes ill and perhaps draws the short straw and dies, I'm amazed, if it was that some folks who do as they wish simply hurt themselves, no big deal, but in this case reckless behavior puts many innocent folks at risk.
So, yes this truly really sucks, but here in NH we've been lucky so far, but if what we saw in Laconia stays the course that may be short lived.
Simply Wear a Mask, Stay 6 Feet Away, Wash Your Hands, treat the situation like it was a loved one your protecting or maybe it could be someone else's loved one!!!! If your from MA, NY, Ct, RI etc. have some decency and do the right thing, which is self quarantine if you plan to stay, (14 Days), or just stay home till the smoke settles.

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So, we went to work on the house at the lake from Nashua 04/18, went did our stuff came back home, no stops, here's what we saw Motorcycles everywhere (I also Ride), out of state plates, for the most part NO one social distancing or mask. Ok, so I must admit I was somewhat taken back, truth in Nashua many folks are adhering to the program, and not for nothing, Ma is 3rd highest cases in the USA, Middlesex County being the worse, the county that borders Southern NH, where many folks pass through heading north, no offence folks, but the Boston Mayor stated he was very disappointed in those NOT following guidelines, I'm not saying it was just MA and/or out of state folks, but summer isn't here yet!
There seems to be some apathy about this virus, some don't realize when they start TRACING(Look it Up) many folks will wind up in quarantine for at least 14 days, just by association, yea the peep standing next to you, or the older folks walking by when you coughed. Not for nothing, what does rebelling or failing to do the basic 's accomplish. If you have the bug, you and all those who decided to snub the recommendations wind up in quarantine for at least 14 days (Sick or Not), that'll suck huh. Or perhaps worse, one of your loved becomes ill and perhaps draws the short straw and dies, I'm amazed, if it was that some folks who do as they wish simply hurt themselves, no big deal, but in this case reckless behavior puts many innocent folks at risk.
So, yes this truly really sucks, but here in NH we've been lucky so far, but if what we saw in Laconia stays the course that may be short lived.
Simply Wear a Mask, Stay 6 Feet Away, Wash Your Hands, treat the situation like it was a loved one your protecting or maybe it could be someone else's loved one!!!! If your from MA, NY, Ct, RI etc. have some decency and do the right thing, which is self quarantine if you plan to stay, (14 Days), or just stay home till the smoke settles.

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I've been in Meredith the past couple weekends and it's been very good. There are people out and about but for the most part they are staying far away from each other. Not everyone in wearing masks but them seem to be keeping a safe distance apart from one another.
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I've been in Meredith the past couple weekends and it's been very good. There are people out and about but for the most part they are staying far away from each other. Not everyone in wearing masks but them seem to be keeping a safe distance apart from one another.
That's good, but it wasn't that way in Laconia the day we went, sadly!!!
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Reporting from Florida, where my county allows only residents to enter:


Over on the West Coast, 27,000 employees are returning to the Boeing plant today.

https://q13fox.com/2020/04/16/back-t...ing-next-week/

Here on the East Coast, a Massachusetts judge has released a prisoner with Wuhan Flu symptoms to prevent a flu-surge throughout the marginal social-distancing found among inmates.

Jailed for selling heroin, the felon will stay with his mother in her assisted-living facility near Boston.

Meanwhile, the courts still cash their paychecks.
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When I read someone get chastised for driving up to New Hampshire and going to a store I wonder how many people, including those that set the guidelines really understand what the rules are. Apparently some of the comments follow a rule that once you leave your home and travel to a different state or place you must quarantine for 14 days before going out in public. If this person was practicing social distancing and traveled directly by car, then why when someone goes to the gas station for gas are they not expected to quarantine for 14 days before going out again? I just don't think the guidelines/rules have been adequately explained leaving room for rules police to emerge especially on social media. I think we were given guidelines to follow using common sense ( something becoming scarcer than M95 masks). I am in Florida right now and our county has has 770 cases of which 340 are active which means that 1 out of every 2000 is known to have the virus. Which brings up another point, testing. Every politician and medical person they trot out before the cameras says testing is the answer to opening the economy. But no one is saying who exactly we are going to test. I fear that this is a false narrative as unless we all isolate from one another and are all tested at the same time, the virus will continue to slither between those untested and those already tested. The language about why we shut down the economy is also changing. Remember we were told that the economy was shut down to flatten the curve so that the hospitals were not over run. Now we are hearing that if we go back to work there will be more cases and deaths. What is now beginning to emerge is the truth. We are all going to get this virus sooner or later and some of us will die from it. Immunologists are now saying that the savior vaccine we are waiting for will not work 100% and could even offer little protection. The truth is that vaccine used against mutating viruses have generally been between 40 and 80 percent effective. The effects of this shut down are becoming dangerous. The government is trying to blunt the economic hardship but it's systems were never designed to have 22 million people file for unemployment in 3 weeks. They can not get stimulus checks out to all the people in a week or two. The size of the lines at food banks is astounding and the people interviewed while waiting are becoming desperate and the food banks are not able to serve all of those in line. I fear we are very close to hearing the first reports of robbery of groceries in the Winn Dixie parking lot. The country needs to get back to work and soon. Some level of death will happen. Will it be acceptable? Of course it is not. All will need to practice separation as much as possible. Those of us over 60 or with conditions will have to stay isolated until we see what happens with infection rates. Hope you all stay well.
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When I read someone get chastised for driving up to New Hampshire and going to a store I wonder how many people, including those that set the guidelines really understand what the rules are. Apparently some of the comments follow a rule that once you leave your home and travel to a different state or place you must quarantine for 14 days before going out in public. If this person was practicing social distancing and traveled directly by car, then why when someone goes to the gas station for gas are they not expected to quarantine for 14 days before going out again? I just don't think the guidelines/rules have been adequately explained leaving room for rules police to emerge especially on social media. I think we were given guidelines to follow using common sense ( something becoming scarcer than M95 masks). I am in Florida right now and our county has has 770 cases of which 340 are active which means that 1 out of every 2000 is known to have the virus. Which brings up another point, testing. Every politician and medical person they trot out before the cameras says testing is the answer to opening the economy. But no one is saying who exactly we are going to test. I fear that this is a false narrative as unless we all isolate from one another and are all tested at the same time, the virus will continue to slither between those untested and those already tested. The language about why we shut down the economy is also changing. Remember we were told that the economy was shut down to flatten the curve so that the hospitals were not over run. Now we are hearing that if we go back to work there will be more cases and deaths. What is now beginning to emerge is the truth. We are all going to get this virus sooner or later and some of us will die from it. Immunologists are now saying that the savior vaccine we are waiting for will not work 100% and could even offer little protection. The truth is that vaccine used against mutating viruses have generally been between 40 and 80 percent effective. The effects of this shut down are becoming dangerous. The government is trying to blunt the economic hardship but it's systems were never designed to have 22 million people file for unemployment in 3 weeks. They can not get stimulus checks out to all the people in a week or two. The size of the lines at food banks is astounding and the people interviewed while waiting are becoming desperate and the food banks are not able to serve all of those in line. I fear we are very close to hearing the first reports of robbery of groceries in the Winn Dixie parking lot. The country needs to get back to work and soon. Some level of death will happen. Will it be acceptable? Of course it is not. All will need to practice separation as much as possible. Those of us over 60 or with conditions will have to stay isolated until we see what happens with infection rates. Hope you all stay well.
The simple rules is, Wear a Mask(It Should Be), Wash Your Hands (Alot), or Use Sanitizer (Alcohol 65 Percent), Stand Away 6(Six) Feet. This IS NOT rocket science just good ole common sense in nerve wracking times. I agree let's open the country back up, ASAP, but not in a haphazard way. People need to adhere to simple rules first, this allows the virus less opportunity to continue to spread. BTW, I'm in the 60+ crowd, I don't really feel like dying just yet, and not because we did stupid ****. If peeps can't follow simple rules just what makes anyone think we can safely open the doors back up. Just a FYI, this virus doesn't age discriminate younger, young, middle,old, older, it's worse for the older crowd that find themselves in assisted living nursing homes and they are trapped, in Nashua that's one of the hardest hit locals and the biggest contributor to death in the city.
Let's be real folks, it's on us if you think the govment is gonna miraculously save your asses, think again, or watch some CNN, Fox, or pick you poison.
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The simple rules is, Wear a Mask(It Should Be), Wash Your Hands (Alot), or Use Sanitizer (Alcohol 65 Percent), Stand Away 6(Six) Feet. This IS NOT rocket science just good ole common sense in nerve wracking times. I agree let's open the country back up, ASAP, but not in a haphazard way. People need to adhere to simple rules first, this allows the virus less opportunity to continue to spread. BTW, I'm in the 60+ crowd, I don't really feel like dying just yet, and not because we did stupid ****. If peeps can't follow simple rules just what makes anyone think we can safely open the doors back up. Just a FYI, this virus doesn't age discriminate younger, young, middle,old, older, it's worse for the older crowd that find themselves in assisted living nursing homes and they are trapped, in Nashua that's one of the hardest hit locals and the biggest contributor to death in the city.
Let's be real folks, it's on us if you think the govment is gonna miraculously save your asses, think again, or watch some CNN, Fox, or pick you poison.
Holy Rehash Batman...I think everyone knows this by now?

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Holy Rehash Batman...I think everyone knows this by now?
Great, all they have to do is do it, Knowing is only half the battle actually doing is another........

We run a Commercial/Industrial cleaning company, we are working everyday and the rules are constantly reinforced. Humans especially Americans have what is known as selective hearing, or the forget syndrome, you know it happened last week, what!!!

Yep, Re-Hash everyday here, one goes down and many follow, sick not sick at home 14 days, we can't run our biz that way.

So, Yes Robin it is what it is!!!!
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That’s absurd. We have had SARS, MERS, Hong Kong flu, West Nile virus, and many others. I guess Legionaires Disease was also discriminatory. If the virus originated in China, what would you prefer to call it?
I vote for calling it the Commi Virus.
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Arrow Next State to Open--Missouri...

Missouri is also the first state to sue...umm...that country next to Russia, with Beijing as its capital.

(With Beijing relatively untouched by COVID-19--due shutdown of internal flights).

https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/...e230ec106.html
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I'm curious how everyone's going to react once this obvious distraction with the China virus is over and they realize the world economy has been destroyed by the CCP. 27 million Americans have signed up for unemployment in the last 6 weeks... they're all going to get weekly checks plus and extra $600. Like the drug dealer giving out free heroin... what could go wrong?
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I'm curious how everyone's going to react once this obvious distraction with the China virus is over and they realize the world economy has been destroyed by the CCP. 27 million Americans have signed up for unemployment in the last 6 weeks... they're all going to get weekly checks plus and extra $600. Like the drug dealer giving out free heroin... what could go wrong?
I have been having this discussion a lot. It is going to be very difficult to coax some workers off the couch.
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I have been having this discussion a lot. It is going to be very difficult to coax some workers off the couch.
Yup...we initially had to let go a sub-contactor we use as supplemental manpower 4 weeks ago as one of our projects was shutdown. Tried to get them back today and was told by the owner that his men were quite comfortable collecting unemployment!

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I vote for calling it the Commi Virus.
A lot of effort went into denying it.

https://youtu.be/LwqhvRcBrK4

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A lot of effort went into denying it.

https://youtu.be/LwqhvRcBrK4

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I think it was discovered in China but started in the New Country of Wuhan in the Asiatic area around China somewhere.
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Thumbs up Restrictions Eased or Eliminated...

Around 35 states are opening their restrictions soon.

Florida, except for the three most populous counties in SE Florida, starts May 4th "with conditions").

(I'll have to check, but I think my county will remain blocked to outsider-traffic).

An up-to-date check on your specific state and county, a link:

https://www.huschblackwell.com/state...ce#linktojump1
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