Go Back   Winnipesaukee Forum > Winnipesaukee Forums > Boating
Home Forums Gallery Blogs YouTube Channel Classifieds Calendar Register FAQDonate Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-27-2021, 08:52 AM   #1
RUGMAN
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: weirs beach,
Posts: 248
Thanks: 37
Thanked 31 Times in 25 Posts
Default speed limits on the Lake

I recently read in the paper that there was a proposal to eliminate speed limits on the lake. My question is , do higher speeds reduce the size of the wake that a boat creates, I have always noticed as boats pass by my house at slower speeds they seem to create a larger wake, particularly larger boats, I have always been amazed when I see so many boats with 2-4 outboards 500 to 800 hp, what's the point when the speed limit is 45 ?
RUGMAN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2021, 10:14 AM   #2
steve-on-mark
Senior Member
 
steve-on-mark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Epping, NH / Mark Island
Posts: 875
Thanks: 61
Thanked 428 Times in 219 Posts
Default

The slower a boat travels, the more of the vee is in the water...it essentially becomes a lake plow, and yes, the waves are much larger!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
steve-on-mark is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to steve-on-mark For This Useful Post:
subaruliving (11-29-2021)
Old 11-27-2021, 11:12 AM   #3
Descant
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Merrimack and Welch Island
Posts: 3,119
Thanks: 913
Thanked 1,173 Times in 735 Posts
Default Bigger wakes?

Yes, there is a bill filed in the legislature to eliminate the 45 mph speed limit. Some really fast boats e.g. Bass Boats make almost no wake at all at speed. Some slower boats e.g. wake or ballast boats make huge wakes at slower speeds.
I know of boats with lots of horsepower that go to FL in the winter and use their speed there for a quick run to the Bahamas, but on the lake, yes, the horsepower is unused. At leas, the outboards are a lot quieter than the big inboards with Captain's Call switches on the above water exhausts. I don't care how fast they go if they're quiet like Bass Boats.
Descant is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Descant For This Useful Post:
subaruliving (11-29-2021)
Old 11-27-2021, 11:38 AM   #4
WinnisquamZ
Senior Member
 
WinnisquamZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,271
Thanks: 143
Thanked 438 Times in 286 Posts
Default

What are the odds of this bill passing? Why now is it being introduced?


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app
WinnisquamZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2021, 11:47 AM   #5
fatlazyless
Senior Member
 
fatlazyless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 7,730
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 250
Thanked 813 Times in 582 Posts
Default

Oh HAPPY day ...... that 45-mph speed limit is going away!

Can hardly wait ...... gonna get me a 27' twin hull Skater-Cat with two 300-hp Merc two-stroke racing engines ...... and away I will go ..... getting up to 107-mph ..... buzzing down the broads.

My 27'- Skater Cat will have a gas pedal as opposed to a hand throttle ..... and make a big two-stroke buzzing sound as it buzzes along at 100-mph+ ........ wwweeeeoooooooo!!! .... ...... high speed boating is HAPPY boating!

..........................

To achieve a NH boat operator's license, you should have to swim 200-yards across the surface of Lake Winnipesaukee and tread water for ten minutes, which is the swim test for Scuba certification. On top of the Lake Winnipesaukee water driving a boat, or under the water with Scuba, the water out there is the same water, so's it should have the same swim test! ... ... hut-hut-hut!
__________________
.... age-70 & suffering terrible chronic tinnitus ... omg!

Last edited by fatlazyless; 11-27-2021 at 03:38 PM.
fatlazyless is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 11-27-2021, 11:55 AM   #6
Descant
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Merrimack and Welch Island
Posts: 3,119
Thanks: 913
Thanked 1,173 Times in 735 Posts
Default

Leave the speed limit alone and get rid of the boat to boat safe passage rule. That works in 49 other states and is rarely enforced/enforceable in NH. LOL
Descant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2021, 01:24 PM   #7
The Real BigGuy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 812
Thanks: 62
Thanked 279 Times in 170 Posts
Default

Just leave things the way they are! Those that want to exceed 45 do anyway. Those that donít think there should be a safe boat to boat passing distance donít pay attention to the rule now.


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app
The Real BigGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to The Real BigGuy For This Useful Post:
sunset on the dock (11-28-2021)
Old 11-27-2021, 02:21 PM   #8
John Mercier
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 678
Thanks: 0
Thanked 151 Times in 131 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ View Post
What are the odds of this bill passing? Why now is it being introduced?


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app
Odds? Hard to say. The reason for the introduction... Mike Bordes first term in the Legislature.
John Mercier is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2021, 03:16 PM   #9
WinnisquamZ
Senior Member
 
WinnisquamZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,271
Thanks: 143
Thanked 438 Times in 286 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Mercier View Post
Odds? Hard to say. The reason for the introduction... Mike Bordes first term in the Legislature.
So, it has little chance


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app
WinnisquamZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2021, 03:53 PM   #10
fatlazyless
Senior Member
 
fatlazyless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 7,730
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 250
Thanked 813 Times in 582 Posts
Default

This proposed speed limits revocation has a very strong smell of the NH Marine Trades Assoc at work, here. Contributing two hundred dollars/year to Republican state reps as a political contribution to pay for re-election signs, who get paid just fifty dollars/year for being a state rep, the NH Marine Trades Assoc. has a lot of clout with many of the state reps(R).

Where does the NH Marine Trades Assoc get its funding? It is donated from NH boat sellers/marinas and national boat makers/sellers.

Sniff - sniff - sniff ...... I smell $200 political contributions ..... coming from the NH Marine Trades Assoc. ..... a political action committee .... donating it to each and every Republican state rep in New Hampshire ...... which has 213-Republcans and 187-Democrats ..... at this time in the NH House of Reps ....

$200-political donation x 213 Republican state reps is $42,600.
__________________
.... age-70 & suffering terrible chronic tinnitus ... omg!
fatlazyless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2021, 05:40 PM   #11
NH.Solar
Senior Member
 
NH.Solar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Jackson Pond, New Hampton
Posts: 157
Thanks: 30
Thanked 87 Times in 47 Posts
Default

The problem has never been the speed of the boats, but rather the "slowness" in the thinking of so many of the drivers.
That being said removing the speed limit on such an overcrowded body of water is a recipe for disaster. The issue again isn't the speed of the go-fasts, it is the difference between those boats and most other boats on the lake ...and the actual number assigned to the speed isn't the issue, it is the mindless thinking of so many boaters. My last boat could make it from the docks in Wolfeboro to the dock in Center Harbor in 21 minutes (FLL, were you on that late Sept ride? We did touch 107 ...and there was no wake), but one of my scariest moments came while driving the largest barges on the lake through the narrow channel by Pick's Point and having two jetskiers decide that they needed to stop and have a conversation directly in front of the barge. 60" of steel barge and a twenty foot pushboat don't stop or turn without at least minute of pre-planning, even at barely six miles an hour.
As a lover of high speed boats I never thought I would hear myself say this, but the speed limit needs to stay in place ...during the weekends and holidays
__________________
Peter
NH Solar
NH.Solar is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to NH.Solar For This Useful Post:
Biggd (11-27-2021), secondcurve (12-02-2021)
Old 11-27-2021, 06:47 PM   #12
sunset on the dock
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 262
Thanks: 98
Thanked 68 Times in 44 Posts
Default

It seems rather curious. Rep. Bordes heard from "literally hundreds of people" bringing up the topic yet Rep. Littlefield, from the same district AND same ward, heard from none. Something is a little fishy here. Of course Rep. Bordes owns a boat that will go 58 MPH (but of course he only cruises at 35 MPH).
sunset on the dock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2021, 08:16 PM   #13
John Mercier
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 678
Thanks: 0
Thanked 151 Times in 131 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fatlazyless View Post
This proposed speed limits revocation has a very strong smell of the NH Marine Trades Assoc at work, here. Contributing two hundred dollars/year to Republican state reps as a political contribution to pay for re-election signs, who get paid just fifty dollars/year for being a state rep, the NH Marine Trades Assoc. has a lot of clout with many of the state reps(R).

Where does the NH Marine Trades Assoc get its funding? It is donated from NH boat sellers/marinas and national boat makers/sellers.

Sniff - sniff - sniff ...... I smell $200 political contributions ..... coming from the NH Marine Trades Assoc. ..... a political action committee .... donating it to each and every Republican state rep in New Hampshire ...... which has 213-Republcans and 187-Democrats ..... at this time in the NH House of Reps ....

$200-political donation x 213 Republican state reps is $42,600.
Legislators get paid $100 per year. Bordes has been on this rant since arriving from NY... long before he ever held state office.
John Mercier is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2021, 08:47 PM   #14
8gv
Senior Member
 
8gv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,718
Thanks: 54
Thanked 596 Times in 384 Posts
Default

While nobody has asked me...

I believe that the current day time speed limit is appropriate.

If one is to hit something, the faster the vessel is going the worse the outcome will be.

For those that have boats capable of speed in excess of 45 mph hopefully the speed limit might curtail running at 55 or 60.

For me the noise level at W.O.T. or close to it is a deterrent to me going fast.

A higher speed limit or worse yet, no speed limit would increase the lake's noise level.

I believe that the night speed limit is 35 mph.

That is too fast in my opinion.
8gv is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to 8gv For This Useful Post:
sunset on the dock (11-28-2021)
Old 11-27-2021, 09:20 PM   #15
Descant
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Merrimack and Welch Island
Posts: 3,119
Thanks: 913
Thanked 1,173 Times in 735 Posts
Default Facetious

My original post, #3 was facetious, hence the LOL. I hope this new thread on speed limits will not duplicate the mess of the original issue.
Descant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2021, 11:47 PM   #16
John Mercier
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 678
Thanks: 0
Thanked 151 Times in 131 Posts
Default

I don't think the discussion would go very far.
The current crop of legislators (not sure if they are much different than the past) seem to form an opinion, then seek out the voices that support that opinion.
John Mercier is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2021, 09:50 AM   #17
sunset on the dock
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 262
Thanks: 98
Thanked 68 Times in 44 Posts
Default

Rep. Bordes, originally from NY, states in the LDS article that there are no speed limits in NY waters. What?! As one example Lake George has a 45/25 MPH speed limit and a safe passage law. Rep. Bordes might be either poorly prepared/informed or he is being deceitful.
sunset on the dock is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to sunset on the dock For This Useful Post:
upthesaukee (11-28-2021)
Old 11-28-2021, 10:02 AM   #18
fatlazyless
Senior Member
 
fatlazyless's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 7,730
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 250
Thanked 813 Times in 582 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Mercier View Post
Legislators get paid $100 per year. Bordes has been on this rant since arriving from NY... long before he ever held state office.
...... is my understanding that NH state reps get one hundred dollars per their two-year term, or $50/yr plus a per diem mileage reimbursement for driving their car to the NH State House and returning home.
__________________
.... age-70 & suffering terrible chronic tinnitus ... omg!
fatlazyless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2021, 10:18 AM   #19
upthesaukee
Senior Member
 
upthesaukee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Alton Bay
Posts: 5,312
Blog Entries: 2
Thanks: 2,068
Thanked 1,764 Times in 981 Posts
Default Yup

Quote:
Originally Posted by sunset on the dock View Post
Rep. Bordes, originally from NY, states in the LDS article that there are no speed limits in NY waters. What?! As one example Lake George has a 45/25 MPH speed limit and a safe passage law. Rep. Bordes might be either poorly prepared/informed or he is being deceitful.
I think yes/yes and finally yes.

Dave
__________________
I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!
upthesaukee is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2021, 11:18 AM   #20
John Mercier
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 678
Thanks: 0
Thanked 151 Times in 131 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fatlazyless View Post
...... is my understanding that NH state reps get one hundred dollars per their two-year term, or $50/yr plus a per diem mileage reimbursement for driving their car to the NH State House and returning home.
$200 per term and mileage.
$100 per year.
John Mercier is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2021, 11:33 AM   #21
Descant
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Merrimack and Welch Island
Posts: 3,119
Thanks: 913
Thanked 1,173 Times in 735 Posts
Default Legislative services

Quote:
Originally Posted by sunset on the dock View Post
Rep. Bordes, originally from NY, states in the LDS article that there are no speed limits in NY waters. What?! As one example Lake George has a 45/25 MPH speed limit and a safe passage law. Rep. Bordes might be either poorly prepared/informed or he is being deceitful.
Reps (and Senators) can get such info researched by Legislative Services. New reps are less likely to do this in advance, but after they have filed their request for a bill to be drafted. The bill filing period is very short, so a lot gets done later in the process. New reps are also less likely to go to the relevant committee chair to find out what has passed or failed over the years. I don't know anything about Rep. Bordes, just what I've learned about the process.

For me, NH stands alone on many issues. Doesn't matter what they do in the nanny states like NY.

If Lake George is wholly contained within a National Park (is it?), then the speed limit there may not be a NY law and Rep. Bordes could be technically correct.
Descant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2021, 11:42 AM   #22
John Mercier
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 678
Thanks: 0
Thanked 151 Times in 131 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sunset on the dock View Post
Rep. Bordes, originally from NY, states in the LDS article that there are no speed limits in NY waters. What?! As one example Lake George has a 45/25 MPH speed limit and a safe passage law. Rep. Bordes might be either poorly prepared/informed or he is being deceitful.
There is a type of social battle going on between the various views of what is appropriate for the area.
The lake just seems to be a focal point.

Quiet solitude is steadily being replaced with the newer view.
John Mercier is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to John Mercier For This Useful Post:
sunset on the dock (11-28-2021)
Old 11-28-2021, 12:25 PM   #23
sunset on the dock
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 262
Thanks: 98
Thanked 68 Times in 44 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Descant View Post
Reps (and Senators) can get such info researched by Legislative Services. New reps are less likely to do this in advance, but after they have filed their request for a bill to be drafted. The bill filing period is very short, so a lot gets done later in the process. New reps are also less likely to go to the relevant committee chair to find out what has passed or failed over the years. I don't know anything about Rep. Bordes, just what I've learned about the process.

For me, NH stands alone on many issues. Doesn't matter what they do in the nanny states like NY.

If Lake George is wholly contained within a National Park (is it?), then the speed limit there may not be a NY law and Rep. Bordes could be technically correct.

Many NY Lakes have a speed limit including some Finger Lakes. Maybe I'm wrong but I cannot find that Lake George is in a national park.
sunset on the dock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2021, 02:07 PM   #24
TheTimeTraveler
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 630
Thanks: 190
Thanked 191 Times in 109 Posts
Default

I believe it is best to leave the speed limit in place. Why? Noise pollution.

Those high powered speeding boats literally destroy the peace and tranquility that most of us currently enjoy without them.

There also other issues such as safety and excess (and wasted) fuel consumption.
TheTimeTraveler is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to TheTimeTraveler For This Useful Post:
secondcurve (12-02-2021), sunset on the dock (11-28-2021)
Old 11-28-2021, 03:40 PM   #25
TiltonBB
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Gilford, NH and Florida
Posts: 2,310
Thanks: 429
Thanked 1,747 Times in 711 Posts
Default

Speed has never been a safety problem on the lake. Most jet skis, and many power boats on the lake today, can and do regularly exceed the speed limit without incident.

It was a "feel good" law to begin with to pacify a certain crowd. The major accidents that have occurred on the lake in the past 25 to 30 years had nothing to do with speed. When those accidents occurred, the operators were within the current speed limits, even though the speed laws were not yet in place.

Even the go fast boats with the loud exhaust pass through an area, leaving a minimal wake, and are gone in a matter of minutes. And, the state has requirements to limit the maximum decibel output of a boat. I know people who had to remove their boat from the lake years ago because they were unable to muffle the exhaust sufficiently.

Noise and wakes from the wake board boats are a much bigger problem. The shoreline and dock damage are an issue but the loud stereos, designed, not for the occupants of the boat, but to blast music across the water, are a much more disruptive nuisance. And that is a problem when they set up in one area, blast music (sometimes complete with F Bombs) and seem oblivious to the sound travelling for miles. In one wake boarding excursion they can easily disrupt the peace of the occupants of 50 to 100 homes.

In my opinion that is a much greater problem than speed ever was or will be.

Last edited by TiltonBB; 11-28-2021 at 06:15 PM.
TiltonBB is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to TiltonBB For This Useful Post:
BroadHopper (11-29-2021), Descant (11-28-2021), dippasan (11-29-2021), garysanfran (11-28-2021), lakewinnie (11-28-2021), Seaplane Pilot (11-28-2021), subaruliving (11-29-2021)
Old 11-28-2021, 04:09 PM   #26
tis
Senior Member
 
tis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,512
Thanks: 593
Thanked 1,158 Times in 791 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TiltonBB View Post
Speed has never been a safety problem on the lake. Most jet skis, and many power boats on the lake today, can and do regularly exceed the speed limit without incident.

It was a "feel good" law to begin with to pacify a certain crowd. The major accidents that have occurred on the lake in the past 25 to 30 years had nothing to do with speed. When those accidents occurred, the operators were within the current speed limits, even though the speed laws were not yet in place.

Even the go fast boats with the loud exhaust pass through an area, leaving a minimal wake, and are gone in a matter of minutes. And, the state has requirements to limit the maximum decibel output of a boat. I know people who had to remove their boat from the lake years ago because they were unable to muffle the exhaust sufficiently.

Noise and wakes from the wake board boats are a much bigger problem. The shoreline and dock damage are an issue but the loud stereos, designed, not for the occupants of the boat, but to blast music across the water, are a much more disruptive nuisance. And that is a problem when they set up in one area, blast music (sometimes complete with F Bombs) and seem oblivious to the sound travelling for miles. In one wake boarding excursion they can easily disrupt the peace of the occupants of 50 to 100 homes.

I my opinion that is a much greater problem than speed ever was or will be.
I totally agree with you.
tis is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to tis For This Useful Post:
BroadHopper (11-29-2021), TiltonBB (11-28-2021)
Old 11-28-2021, 09:33 PM   #27
Descant
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Merrimack and Welch Island
Posts: 3,119
Thanks: 913
Thanked 1,173 Times in 735 Posts
Default Speed vs ???

Actually, the speed limit issue is posting a number of the same issues that were posted before when it first came up a decade ago. The Big Big Big benefit is it brings the Forum back to lake and lakes region and gives us something instead of Covid issues to talk about. I try not to read anybody's Covid posts but sometimes they creep into "new posts".
Descant is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Descant For This Useful Post:
gillygirl (11-29-2021)
Old 11-28-2021, 10:02 PM   #28
lakewinnie
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Moultonborough and CT
Posts: 37
Thanks: 11
Thanked 37 Times in 14 Posts
Default Speed versus wakes

I have said this before. In 30 years of boating on the lake, I have never been put in danger by boats going >45 mph. In the last 10 years, I have gotten bow-swamped, shaken and stirred a number of times by wakes from wakeboard boats.

And if I had to take one over the other, I would rather hear loud engine noise than loud rap music.
lakewinnie is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to lakewinnie For This Useful Post:
CubRun (12-02-2021), subaruliving (11-28-2021)
Old 11-28-2021, 11:20 PM   #29
FlyingScot
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Tuftonboro and Sudbury, MA
Posts: 1,652
Thanks: 856
Thanked 710 Times in 435 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TiltonBB View Post
Speed has never been a safety problem on the lake. Most jet skis, and many power boats on the lake today, can and do regularly exceed the speed limit without incident.

It was a "feel good" law to begin with to pacify a certain crowd. The major accidents that have occurred on the lake in the past 25 to 30 years had nothing to do with speed. When those accidents occurred, the operators were within the current speed limits, even though the speed laws were not yet in place.

Even the go fast boats with the loud exhaust pass through an area, leaving a minimal wake, and are gone in a matter of minutes. And, the state has requirements to limit the maximum decibel output of a boat. I know people who had to remove their boat from the lake years ago because they were unable to muffle the exhaust sufficiently.

Noise and wakes from the wake board boats are a much bigger problem. The shoreline and dock damage are an issue but the loud stereos, designed, not for the occupants of the boat, but to blast music across the water, are a much more disruptive nuisance. And that is a problem when they set up in one area, blast music (sometimes complete with F Bombs) and seem oblivious to the sound travelling for miles. In one wake boarding excursion they can easily disrupt the peace of the occupants of 50 to 100 homes.

In my opinion that is a much greater problem than speed ever was or will be.
Agreed. But this is not an either/or question. We should keep the speed limit, for all the reasons mentioned by others...and rein in the wake boards
FlyingScot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2021, 07:17 AM   #30
BroadHopper
Senior Member
 
BroadHopper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Laconia NH
Posts: 5,210
Thanks: 2,762
Thanked 1,002 Times in 710 Posts
Default USCG Rule #6

Instead of reinventing the wheel like most legislative bodies tend to do and avoid history, why not adopt the tried and true rule #6?

I actually feel safer on the intercoastal and where coastal jurisdiction. You don't need speed limits, no-wake, and tons of other laws that are at times difficult to enforce, and I have seen them not able to stand up in courts.

Talk to any LEO, Rule #6 will be easier to enforce and maintain.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text...o%20account%3A
__________________
Someday may never be an actual day.
BroadHopper is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to BroadHopper For This Useful Post:
trfour (11-29-2021), Wolfe-man (12-12-2021)
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:29 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

This page was generated in 0.79887 seconds