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Old 09-14-2018, 09:32 AM   #1
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Anyone else catch these critters snooping around their property on Bear Island?Attachment 14206
That is just wrong!!!!! How rude walking up to someones unoccupied home and peering into the windows. A similar thing happen to me when I owned in Long Bay. Very unsettling.
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I've used motion controlled oscillating sprinklers to keep unwanted wildlife away.....bet it would work on the two legged variety.
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Make sure to report this to local police. If a neighbor got broken into this provides a very good starting point.
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Is this real? that is unbelievable.
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To me, these folks look like curious islanders, looking to see what other places look like. Probably not polite, but probably not thieves. 🤓
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Don't look like crooks but definitely not polite.


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To me, these folks look like curious islanders, looking to see what other places look like. Probably not polite, but probably not thieves. 🤓
Yes not polite and downright stupid as many island camps have cameras running. However they do not have the look of hardened criminals.
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Yes not polite and downright stupid as many island camps have cameras running. However they do not have the look of hardened criminals.
Ha! You ever see “Whitey” Bulger? These guys look exactly like Irish mafia.
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To me, these folks look like curious islanders, looking to see what other places look like. Probably not polite, but probably not thieves. 🤓
They'd be staring at the end of a 12 gauge, while I dial 911!

Are you in any way condoning trespassing for this kind for curiosity?

"Curiosity killed the cat"...
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Ha! You ever see “Whitey” Bulger? These guys look exactly like Irish mafia.

First thing I thought too.

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Make sure to report this to local police.
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Default ..... no worries.

Is probably just someone looking to buy an island home or something, and they want to do some window comparison looking while out there looking at another property ....... so lighten up. The big lake is such a low crime, helpful, neighborly and safe area ... people like to look around when shopping for a house .... you know ..... just take a quick peek through the window.

Like ..... isn't this a beautiful island home ..... just look what we can do ..... won't it be wonderful .... an island home of our own ..... no worries. We can have the boat here, leave the car there, a low maintenance island home .... isn't this nice ..... very low purchase price ..... very low property taxes ..... isn't this wonderful ...... yes, we have to go back and talk some more to the real estate people.

Those two look like a retired high school mathematics teacher, and a dentist .... who just want to take a peek.

Is this house or a neighboring house listed for sale because people like to walk next door and take a quick peek when looking at another listed house, while they are there. ..... no big deal especially out on an island?
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Unless the house was for sale I think that it is beyond rude to peek into people's windows. People have a nerve.
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Nope. Stay off my property unless invited.

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Anyone else catch these critters snooping around their property on Bear Island?
I'd tend to agree with FLL.

They're not showing any tools, and sliding glass doors are easy to get through—without a key.

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I really do not think they are perpetrators but it is just rude and an invasion of privacy


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Most intelligent thing FLL has ever said.
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Perhaps FLL would like to post his address here so these critters and others can visit his house next.
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We frequently have folks walk across our property on a shoreline path that has been used for decades by islanders on their way to the East Bear Island mail dock. We enjoy visiting with these "trespassers" and their guests (and pets) as they walk by. The edges of the path are delineated by long, straight tree branches, and we keep the surface free of small items to provide easier footing for our elderly neighbors who regularly pass by to get their mail at the mail dock. Other folks pass by on their way to visit the "carry" at the narrow mid-section of Bear Island. 🐻
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Perhaps FLL would like to post his address here so these critters and others can visit his house next.
......sure, come on down to beautiful old Meredith Neck and bring along a small utility trailer ...... will make you a cup of Walmart coffee in exchange for loading up my aging pile of trimmed tree limbs (not longer than 60"!) for a trip to the transfer station ...... no, that is not a pile of mulch ....... yuk-yuk-yuk!
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I agree that they don't seem to be burglars but without any context it is hard to know what is going on in Hoboken's picture. If it is a snapshot from a video then their demeanor before and after this shot would say a lot. Were they sneaking around or very casual? Did they knock and wait before peeking in? Are those sliders a common entrance for a visitor to use or is there another front door? Was there another camera outside showing them arriving and leaving?

It seems like there has to be some more information that would help us know if this was scary or not.
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I would be more concerned if these two gentlemen were peeking out the sliding glass door from the inside.
I think these two elderly men are just curious about how the stone fireplace is built, they are both looking that way.
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They’re probably renting the place next year and wanted to check it out.


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I'd be more concerned if they'd arrived by snowmobile.

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That is just wrong!!!!! How rude walking up to someones unoccupied home and peering into the windows. A similar thing happen to me when I owned in Long Bay. Very unsettling.
IDK. Curiosity is normal, especially as we're all examining the interior.



Personally, I wouldn't have put a wool rug near a (usually) leaky sliding glass door—especially as there's evidence of blown-in rain damage to the oak floor. But I like the divider between the kitchen and the fire extinguisher. It'd be difficult to put out a grease fire when the fire extinguisher is a lo-o-ong reach near the flames.

If the OP was truly concerned, curtains would have stifled any curiosity.
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I'd be more concerned if they'd arrived by snowmobile.

IDK. Curiosity is normal, especially as we're all examining the interior.



Personally, I wouldn't have put a wool rug near a (usually) leaky sliding glass door—especially as there's evidence of blown-in rain damage to the oak floor. But I like the divider between the kitchen and the fire extinguisher. It'd be difficult to put out a grease fire when the fire extinguisher is a lo-o-ong reach near the flames.

I don’t think the OP was concerned but it’s just my opinion that people should be more attentive to people private property and privacy. To me it’s simply a lack of respect maybe if it happened to you like it did to me you word think different. It was unsettling to see people on my camera walking around my property and peering into my windows.


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At who's dock did they dock their boat?
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Hoboken, do you know who they are? That could be awkward if they’re just nosey neighbors. And now they know you left dishes in the sink. OMG!
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Could be tax assessors from the town too.
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Could be tax assessors from the town too.
Have never see tax assessors dressed in t-shirts, shorts & sneakers not to mention, they usually wear ID badges from the town or companies they represent for the town that they are working for.
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Pretty sure the town notifies taxpayers when the assessments are to occur and when the people will be coming. Pretty rude to climb up on someone's deck and peer inside like that but in today's world no surprise.woulda been funny if the owner if the owner was actually home.
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I am not rude or a criminal, nor are these people. I've done the same thing on a couple occasions with old camps in my neighborhood. The only thing that would be considered rude is if they left nose prints on the sliders. I am quite sure they were aware that no one was home. This has been going on for years but now that everyone has a camera we've all grown paranoid and ready to prosecute or blast away at neighborly admirers. Yes, its a bit creepy to witness this on tape but as the owner of the property I'd be flattered that it's charming enough that someone would want to see inside. Some of you guys really need to take it down a few notches.
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I am not rude or a criminal, nor are these people. I've done the same thing on a couple occasions with old camps in my neighborhood. The only thing that would be considered rude is if they left nose prints on the sliders. I am quite sure they were aware that no one was home. This has been going on for years but now that everyone has a camera we've all grown paranoid and ready to prosecute or blast away at neighborly admirers. Yes, its a bit creepy to witness this on tape but as the owner of the property I'd be flattered that it's charming enough that someone would want to see inside. Some of you guys really need to take it down a few notches.


I am sorry completely disagree. It is impolite and rude to peer into someone’s window. Nothing to do with paranoia it’s a “private” home not a business where people are window shopping. Maybe if it happened to you and later on your home was broken into, like had happened to me at my lake home you might feel different.


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Agree with Joey. You want peek at my property do it when I'm home. Knock on the door and say hi.
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There was no one home. No car parked in the driveway? No lights on during daylight? No boat at the dock? Grass needs mowing? No sound of a TV?

None of the above apply here. An assumption that they "knew" no one was home is dangerous for the assumer. And I am going to assume they were not neighbors "on the island"...So where's their boat? Someone else's dock?

By COLESFAMILY...

"I am not rude or a criminal, nor are these people"...

I disagree...

You ARE very rude and if there is a "No trespassing" sign around, you are also a criminal!
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Given the expressed attitude of a few who think peering into someone's windows is appropriate, I am considering adding No Trespassing/Posted signs so there will be no question they would not be welcome on my property unless invited.
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Blinds and shades!

But, ya gotta keep 'em closed all the time!

Wonder if the door was unlocked, would they have come in for a closer look? If they had no ill intent, what's the harm in a quick look around in your sock drawer?
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There was no one home. No car parked in the driveway? No lights on during daylight? No boat at the dock? Grass needs mowing? No sound of a TV? None of the above apply here. An assumption that they "knew" no one was home is dangerous for the assumer. And I am going to assume they were not neighbors "on the island"...So where's their boat? Someone else's dock?
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"I am not rude or a criminal, nor are these people"...
I disagree...

You ARE very rude and if there is a "No trespassing" sign around, you are also a criminal!
We've had this discussion before. "Trespassing" means to cause damage, and I think New Hampshire is a "Free Range" state. (Except for chickens, where it IS criminal!)

If you want to make your house attractive to a criminal, put up signs with "Private Property", "No Trespassing", or "Posted", and leave outside lights on at night.

OTOH, having interior lights on "variable" timers—in different rooms—will make the cottage look lived-in. This would especially discourage those with an opioid addiction, who are looking for a quick buck from stolen property.
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We've had this discussion before. "Trespassing" means to cause damage, and I think New Hampshire is a "Free Range" state. (Except for chickens, where it IS criminal!)

If you want to make your house attractive to a criminal, put up signs with "Private Property", "No Trespassing", or "Posted", and leave outside lights on at night.

OTOH, having interior lights on "variable" timers—in different rooms—will make the cottage look lived-in. This would especially discourage those with an opioid addiction, who are looking for a quick buck from stolen property.

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I am NOT a lawyer! My understanding is that if land is not clearly posted people can go on it unless and until asked to leave by the property owner. Perhaps this is not the case and simply an unwritten yet widely agreed upon practice in the rural area where I live as well as on the island property I summer.

That said, whether it is legal or not, it is in poor taste and a bit creepy to go up on a stranger's porch and peer in windows. Common sense (which, admittedly, is not always so common) says to be respectful and minimize any impact on someone else's land - and don't peer in windows!
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I am NOT a lawyer! My understanding is that if land is not clearly posted people can go on it unless and until asked to leave by the property owner. Perhaps this is not the case and simply an unwritten yet widely agreed upon practice in the rural area where I live as well as on the island property I summer.

That said, whether it is legal or not, it is in poor taste and a bit creepy to go up on a stranger's porch and peer in windows. Common sense (which, admittedly, is not always so common) says to be respectful and minimize any impact on someone else's land - and don't peer in windows!
You’re talking about “current use” for tax purposes which is designed for open acreage/not-in-use land for purposes like hiking, hunting, etc.
If anyone comes into my YARD or near my buildings that is where the “current use” law stops, obviously. My back woods are open to being walked through and even hunted providing you stay 300’ from any of my dwellings. If I decide to POST my land for NO HUNTING NO TRESSPASSING then all bets are off as far as passing through or hunting. I would also expect a tax increase if I did this.
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Perhaps long time islanders have developed a different tolerance level? As noted earlier, it is common to follow perimeter paths or to develop trails across other's property. Generally, in deference to hunters, hikers etc, crossing land is OK if it is not posted and the liability laws in NH follow that concept. Island dogs pretty are unleashed, and for whatever reasons, rarely leave their own property. It's just a more tolerant attitude. I expect many people don't lock doors, but I really have no way to know.
Assuming the critters in the OP are neighbors and oldsters, it would probably not occur to them that looking into an unoccupied house was rude, or that they would be on a security camera and they had no ill intent. In all the (unbridged) island camps I've visited over the years, few had anything worth the extra effort to steal from an island.
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You’re talking about “current use” for tax purposes which is designed for open acreage/not-in-use land for purposes like hiking, hunting, etc.
If anyone comes into my YARD or near my buildings that is where the “current use” law stops, obviously. My back woods are open to being walked through and even hunted providing you stay 300’ from any of my dwellings. If I decide to POST my land for NO HUNTING NO TRESSPASSING then all bets are off as far as passing through or hunting. I would also expect a tax increase if I did this.
Not knowing exactly how the law reads, this is what I meant by my "common sense" piece. I never realized I had to stay 300' from a dwelling - somehow in my upbringing I just learned to be respectful of others and their belongings. It's not unlike the no wake/headway speed debate on another forum. I might not know exactly how fast I'm going , but I know when I am following the intent of the law and when I am not...
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Not knowing exactly how the law reads, this is what I meant by my "common sense" piece. I never realized I had to stay 300' from a dwelling - somehow in my upbringing I just learned to be respectful of others and their belongings. It's not unlike the no wake/headway speed debate on another forum. I might not know exactly how fast I'm going , but I know when I am following the intent of the law and when I am not...
300’ is for Discharging a firearm...you can walk closer than 300’ but seeing someone that close to my house would raise my ire a bit.
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I am NOT a lawyer! My understanding is that if land is not clearly posted people can go on it unless and until asked to leave by the property owner. Perhaps this is not the case and simply an unwritten yet widely agreed upon practice in the rural area where I live as well as on the island property I summer.

That said, whether it is legal or not, it is in poor taste and a bit creepy to go up on a stranger's porch and peer in windows. Common sense (which, admittedly, is not always so common) says to be respectful and minimize any impact on someone else's land - and don't peer in windows!
In NH If you don't legally post land that you own, I can walk on it all I want.
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You may be able to, but you shouldn't.

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I agree but everyone needs to be careful about how they ask someone to PLEASE don't trespass on their land. The land owner could be the one in trouble and not the trespasser.
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Are you sure this is correct? It might just be for vacant land not a residence. I’d like to see the language.


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That’s an attitude that can get you shot and fed through a wood chipper...just sayin’
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I. "Property" means anything of value, including real estate, tangible and intangible personal property, captured or domestic animals and birds, written instruments or other writings representing or embodying rights concerning real or personal property, labor, services, or otherwise containing any thing of value to the owner, commodities of a public utility nature such as telecommunications, gas, electricity, steam, or water, and trade secrets, meaning the whole or any portion of any scientific or technical information, design, process, procedure, formula or invention which the owner thereof intends to be available only to persons selected by him. (NH RSA 637.2)

I. A person is guilty of criminal trespass if, knowing that he is not licensed or privileged to do so, he enters or remains in any place. (NH RSA 635.2)

Prescribed Manner of Posting. – A person may post his land to prohibit criminal trespass and physical activities by posting signs of durable material with any words describing the physical activity prohibited, such as "No Hunting or Trespassing", printed with block letters no less than 2 inches in height, and with the name and address of the owner or lessee of such land. Such signs shall be posted not more than 100 yards apart on all sides and shall also be posted at gates, bars and commonly used entrances. This section shall not prevent any owner from adding to the language required by this section. (NH RSA 635.4)

Use of Force in Property Offenses. – A person is justified in using force upon another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent what is or reasonably appears to be an unlawful taking of his property, or criminal mischief, or to retake his property immediately following its taking; but he may use deadly force under such circumstances only in defense of a person as prescribed in RSA 627:4. (NH RSA 627.8)

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"Common law in New Hampshire gives the public the right of access to land that's not posted. You won't find that in state law books, because it is common law, going back to the philosophy of New England's early colonists and supported over the centuries by case law. Our forefathers knew the importance of balancing the need for landowners' rights with that of the public good. On one hand, the landowner can make decisions about his or her land. On the other hand, the public should have limited rights to use and enjoy that land. The colonists held similar democratic notions about rivers, lakes, fish and wildlife."

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"Common law in New Hampshire gives the public the right of access to land that's not posted. You won't find that in state law books, because it is common law, going back to the philosophy of New England's early colonists and supported over the centuries by case law. Our forefathers knew the importance of balancing the need for landowners' rights with that of the public good. On one hand, the landowner can make decisions about his or her land. On the other hand, the public should have limited rights to use and enjoy that land. The colonists held similar democratic notions about rivers, lakes, fish and wildlife."

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"Land" is a very broad term and as it is common law it is outdated. I find it hard to believe it would be considered legal to walk around someone's yard and peer into their residence just because it is not posted.
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NH has always had open land access.... if you don't want the public on your property then you have to post it with signs... and there are rules about how the signs have to be posted.

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"Land" is a very broad term and as it is common law it is outdated. I find it hard to believe it would be considered legal to walk around someone's yard and peer into their residence just because it is not posted.
I agree and if the OP took these peekers to court the judge would probably tell the them not to do it again..so..is it worth pressing chargers for this actual photo?
I have security cameras inside & outside of my house and have videos of people walking on my property but not peeking in my windows. I do know that I wouldn't threaten them in anyway..probably just get some legal advice.
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You'll note that after ten days and almost 60 posts the OP hasn't deigned to respond with any further information. Likely as not, one of those critters is Hoboken himself testing out his new security camera. Or friends who knocked first and are looking in to see if he appears to be around.
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I really don't think some of those that posted it is ok to go on other people's land anytime you want would like it if about 20 of us all brought our chairs and sat on their front lawn. Want to try it?
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I really don't think some of those that posted it is ok to go on other people's land anytime you want would like it if about 20 of us all brought our chairs and sat on their front lawn. Want to try it?
You need to understand NH law... I most certainly can walk thru your property if it isn't clearly posted "No Trespassing". That being said, its a different story putting lawn chairs (an object) on someone's property...


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Ok, Woodsy. Then we won't bring our lawn chairs. We will just SIT on the lawn on our little butts!
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Ok, Woodsy. Then we won't bring our lawn chairs. We will just SIT on the lawn on our little butts!
Perfectly legal.... until you are told to leave by the landowner. If you don't comply with a legal request from the landowner... you are guilty of trespass.

Under New Hampshire Law RSA 635:2, someone has committed criminal trespass if they know they are not licensed or privileged to be in a place, or if they remain in a place after being told to leave. A first offense is a misdemeanor.

So basically.... unless your property is properly posted, then the public has the right to walk thru it, hunt or fish, unless the landowner tells them to leave.

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I. "Property" means anything of value, including real estate, tangible and intangible personal property, captured or domestic animals and birds, written instruments or other writings representing or embodying rights concerning real or personal property, labor, services, or otherwise containing any thing of value to the owner, commodities of a public utility nature such as telecommunications, gas, electricity, steam, or water, and trade secrets, meaning the whole or any portion of any scientific or technical information, design, process, procedure, formula or invention which the owner thereof intends to be available only to persons selected by him. (NH RSA 637.2)

I. A person is guilty of criminal trespass if, knowing that he is not licensed or privileged to do so, he enters or remains in any place. (NH RSA 635.2)

Prescribed Manner of Posting. – A person may post his land to prohibit criminal trespass and physical activities by posting signs of durable material with any words describing the physical activity prohibited, such as "No Hunting or Trespassing", printed with block letters no less than 2 inches in height, and with the name and address of the owner or lessee of such land. Such signs shall be posted not more than 100 yards apart on all sides and shall also be posted at gates, bars and commonly used entrances. This section shall not prevent any owner from adding to the language required by this section. (NH RSA 635.4)

Use of Force in Property Offenses. – A person is justified in using force upon another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent what is or reasonably appears to be an unlawful taking of his property, or criminal mischief, or to retake his property immediately following its taking; but he may use deadly force under such circumstances only in defense of a person as prescribed in RSA 627:4. (NH RSA 627.8)

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TITLE LXII
CRIMINAL CODE
CHAPTER 635
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Section 635:2
635:2 Criminal Trespass. –
I. A person is guilty of criminal trespass if, knowing that he is not licensed or privileged to do so, he enters or remains in any place.
II. Criminal trespass is a misdemeanor for the first offense and a class B felony for any subsequent offense if the person knowingly or recklessly causes damage in excess of $1,500 to the value of the property of another.
III. Criminal trespass is a misdemeanor if:
(a) The trespass takes place in an occupied structure as defined in RSA 635:1, III; or
(b) The person knowingly enters or remains:
(1) In any secured premises;
(2) In any place in defiance of an order to leave or not to enter which was personally communicated to him by the owner or other authorized person; or
(3) In any place in defiance of any court order restraining him from entering such place so long as he has been properly notified of such order.
IV. All other criminal trespass is a violation.
V. In this section, "secured premises" means any place which is posted in a manner prescribed by law or in a manner reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders, or which is fenced or otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders.
VI. In this section, "property," "property of another," and "value" shall be as defined in RSA 637:2, I, IV, and V, respectively.

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Woodsy what is it with you? If a law seems the least big ambiguous you always lean to the unlawful side. You must be a criminal.
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A different interpretation doesn't make anything unlawful. "Always" is pretty strong.
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Perfectly legal.... until you are told to leave by the landowner. If you don't comply with a legal request from the landowner... you are guilty of trespass.

Under New Hampshire Law RSA 635:2, someone has committed criminal trespass if they know they are not licensed or privileged to be in a place, or if they remain in a place after being told to leave. A first offense is a misdemeanor.

So basically.... unless your property is properly posted, then the public has the right to walk thru it, hunt or fish, unless the landowner tells them to leave.

https://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/landshare/faqs.html

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Very well explained..I think I'll take a walk on tis's land..maybe take a nap for a few hours
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A different interpretation doesn't make anything unlawful. "Always" is pretty strong.
You are right, Descant. I should have said he seems to lean to to the unlawful side. Of course he will argue he isn't unlawful. It's his interpretation.

And that post was meant to be funny BTW.
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You could come sit on my dock, Rusty.
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Enjoy the walk on Tis' land.. just make sure its not posted and if he asks to leave do so nicely!

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Perfectly legal.... until you are told to leave by the landowner. If you don't comply with a legal request from the landowner... you are guilty of trespass. Under New Hampshire Law RSA 635:2, someone has committed criminal trespass if they know they are not licensed or privileged to be in a place, or if they remain in a place after being told to leave. A first offense is a misdemeanor.

So basically.... unless your property is properly posted, then the public has the right to walk thru it, hunt or fish, unless the landowner tells them to leave. https://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/landshare/faqs.html

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My property isn't posted—yet.

Somebody left sawed deer bones—one on my property, and another nearby in the lake. With high-powered rifle target practice going on all summer within a few hundred feet—and deer foraging all-over—I'm pretty sure who it is.

Course, a "harvested" deer could have been dragged to our place, but is it legal to gut and/or butcher a deer carcass on one's unposted property? In spite of NH's "Free-Range" law for people (not chickens ) that, I would think, is "trespassing".

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Somebody left sawed deer bones—one on my property, and another nearby in the lake. With high-powered rifle target practice going on all summer within a few hundred feet—and deer foraging all-over—I'm pretty sure who it is.

Course, a "harvested" deer could have been dragged to our place, but is it legal to gut and/or butcher a deer carcass on one's unposted property? In spite of NH's "Free-Range" law for people (not chickens ) that, I would think, is "trespassing".

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I would suggest that the deer bone was carried there by something... a coyote, fox, racoon , etc. I highly doubt anyone carried a deer onto your property to gut it or butcher it!! If your land isn't posted in NH people have the right to use it for hunting. It is legal to shoot and practice with a firearm in NH... the second Amendment has been disposed of yet. I you have concerns, take a walk and find out who is shooting!
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I would suggest that the deer bone was carried there by something... a coyote, fox, racoon , etc. I highly doubt anyone carried a deer onto your property to gut it or butcher it!! If your land isn't posted in NH people have the right to use it for hunting. It is legal to shoot and practice with a firearm in NH... the second Amendment has been disposed of yet. I you have concerns, take a walk and find out who is shooting!
Could have been poachers...lots of law breakers out there on and off the water.
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My property isn't posted—yet.

Somebody left sawed deer bones—one on my property, and another nearby in the lake. With high-powered rifle target practice going on all summer within a few hundred feet—and deer foraging all-over—I'm pretty sure who it is.

Course, a "harvested" deer could have been dragged to our place, but is it legal to gut and/or butcher a deer carcass on one's unposted property? In spite of NH's "Free-Range" law for people (not chickens ) that, I would think, is "trespassing".

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My property isn't posted—yet.

Somebody left sawed deer bones—one on my property, and another nearby in the lake. With high-powered rifle target practice going on all summer within a few hundred feet—and deer foraging all-over—I'm pretty sure who it is.

Course, a "harvested" deer could have been dragged to our place, but is it legal to gut and/or butcher a deer carcass on one's unposted property? In spite of NH's "Free-Range" law for people (not chickens ) that, I would think, is "trespassing".

Woodsy has / had a Donzi.

'Nuff said?
APS why do you always have to bring up the speed limit issue? It just derails the thread.


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I would suggest that the deer bone was carried there by something... a coyote, fox, racoon , etc. I highly doubt anyone carried a deer onto your property to gut it or butcher it!! If your land isn't posted in NH people have the right to use it for hunting. It is legal to shoot and practice with a firearm in NH... the second Amendment has been disposed of yet. I you have concerns, take a walk and find out who is shooting!
My land isn't posted, but the suspected shooter's property is!

Two different adult deer bones—one in the lake [the sawed bone], the other on shore—suggest the shooting / butchering was conducted on our property—within 40-feet of our cottage.

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Yeah...Can't bear to peek into that topic.

Then, how about exhaust-pipe noise?

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If you have a camera at your lake house and you get an alert and see that someone is on your property, what do you do?


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If you have a camera at your lake house and you get an alert and see that someone is on your property, what do you do?
First & foremost I try an discern if we may know who the individual is. Next determine if they are simply being nosey or is a potential "intruder".

After my subjective assessment of the above- calling the local police (which I have their # loaded in my phone) becomes the obvious reaction.

Now, If you are talking "Island" property -- you have a completely different situation to deal with.


In the picture shown in this post -- the people are clearly just being nosey !!
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Phantom: "Now, If you are talking "Island" property -- you have a completely different situation to deal with."
Why would it be completely different? You call the PD. If they need a ride, they work with MP. Easy.
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Descant -- When writing that, I guess I was thinking more of the "Response time" ……………
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If you have the new door bell camera it has a speaker so can tell them to get the **** out of there.
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