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Old 05-20-2019, 01:31 PM   #1
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NH is really a state. Unfortunately, with the influx of people from blue states, the demographics and the mindsets are changing. FLL's post suggest that a real state taxes the hell out of its citizenry, so it can grow government. I'd rather live in a state that has low taxes, offers minimal government services and requires its citizens to be self-reliant. When will we learn that throwing money at problems does not achieve better results, whether it's education, welfare, dealing with the drug crisis, etc. Better families produce better citizens. We need to expect more from each other.



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What taxes the hell out of its citizenry are cities and town with low home values and their accompanying high property tax rate/$1000. The individual town rates vary a lot from about $10/1000 up to $40/1000 .... plus with a high rate, the homes sell for a lot less.

And, there's no money going from the state back to the towns. So, what happens in this here town is totally paid by this here town .... so it is not so much a state as a collection of individual towns.

Most likely, it will always be this way. If it was going to change, it would have already happened.
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What taxes the hell out of its citizenry are cities and town with low home values and their accompanying high property tax rate/$1000. The individual town rates vary a lot from about $10/1000 up to $40/1000 .... plus with a high rate, the homes sell for a lot less.

And, there's no money going from the state back to the towns. So, what happens in this here town is totally paid by this here town .... so it is not so much a state as a collection of individual towns.

Most likely, it will always be this way. If it was going to change, it would have already happened.
Best thing to do is to be a NH resident and rent rather than own. No state taxes, no sales tax, and no property tax.

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Best thing to do is to be a NH resident and rent rather than own. No state taxes, no sales tax, and no property tax.
That can be very true. I know people who do this in Campton and they are pretty well off. In addition, the owner pays for any property or house equipment repairs like a boiler or plumber, and you can always move on if a better situation comes along.

Basically, the Massachusetts property owner of the NH single home rental is subsidizing the renter, and it doesn't make too much sense why the owner hangs on to the property. The local rental market just doesn't support all the expenses of owning. Go figure?
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That can be very true. I know people who do this in Campton and they are pretty well off. In addition, the owner pays for any property or house equipment repairs like a boiler or plumber, and you can always move on if a better situation comes along.

Basically, the Massachusetts property owner of the NH single home rental is subsidizing the renter, and it doesn't make too much sense why the owner hangs on to the property. The local rental market just doesn't support all the expenses of owning. Go figure?
Even if the renter pays only what equates to half of the mortgage that's still getting the house at a steep discount. Renter gets nothing, the owner get's all the equity. Still not a bad deal. Plus there are tax write offs and depreciation the owner can take.
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The depreciation comes back as "recapture" and haunts you on the sale of the property.

It's more of a tax deferral than a tax break.
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Best thing to do is to be a NH resident and rent rather than own. No state taxes, no sales tax, and no property tax.
You don't think the cost of property taxes are built into the rent payments? It would be a really dumb landlord that didn't do that.
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What taxes the hell out of its citizenry are cities and town with low home values and their accompanying high property tax rate/$1000. The individual town rates vary a lot from about $10/1000 up to $40/1000 .... plus with a high rate, the homes sell for a lot less.

And, there's no money going from the state back to the towns. So, what happens in this here town is totally paid by this here town .... so it is not so much a state as a collection of individual towns.

Most likely, it will always be this way. If it was going to change, it would have already happened.
It would be WAY worse if we had an income tax and/or a sales tax. If you live off the water, the tax rate is not horrible. On the water is a different story. Also, as has been well documented in this Forum, cities and towns vary. Regarding the property tax, at least you have a choice on where you live. If instituted, we wouldn't have a choice to avoid the income or sales tax if we wanted to live in NH.
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Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Which states have the highest and lowest property taxes?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...st/3697929002/

Big property tax but in the lower 3rd when all taxes. Doesn’t include taxes masquerading as fees.


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NH is really a state. Unfortunately, with the influx of people from blue states, the demographics and the mindsets are changing. FLL's post suggest that a real state taxes the hell out of its citizenry, so it can grow government. I'd rather live in a state that has low taxes, offers minimal government services and requires its citizens to be self-reliant. When will we learn that throwing money at problems does not achieve better results, whether it's education, welfare, dealing with the drug crisis, etc. Better families produce better citizens. We need to expect more from each other.
Maybe they need to build a wall at the border to keep all those Massholes out. They move in an expect too much.
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Yea, to bad those “massholes” want to drag you kicking & screaming out of the dark ages!


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We're gonna do it slow too, start by bringing in those 3rd world institutions like food trucks. One day you'll wake up and see an UBER vehicle, then you know we got you...
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But isn't that the reason you fell in love with the area?
If not, why wouldn't you just stay home. Why come to a once Great State and want to change it.
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Drag us out of the dark ages?????? I guess we need to thank you for enlightening us. And you wonder why we don't want (some ) of you to come here????? I couldn't believe I read that!!!
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It warms my heart to read some of these responses... I was beginning to think the liberals were going to finally be able to destroy our Constitution and country. Seems like there's still plenty of educated individuals that realize what the Warrens, Clintons, Obamas, etc. are really about. The Democratic Party has become a dangerous organization that no longer represents the people, country , and Constitution. All one has to do is to see how they've reacted to the President being elected for the past 2 1/2 years.! Now that Muellar exonerated the President as a Russian operative, their next plan is to smoke screen the next investigations that appears to be implicating the entire DNC and their many operatives that were involved in a concerted and organized effort to overthrow an election! This is the stuff that happens in third world countries!!

As far as increasing taxes go, this is a response from those elected that have no clue how to solve anything, unless it's by throwing thousands or millions of dollars at it! Either case... it ultimately proves voters are willing to follow blindly, by electing people by color, gender, etc, rather than sound judgement and abilities of the individual.
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It warms my heart to read some of these responses... I was beginning to think the liberals were going to finally be able to destroy our Constitution and country. Seems like there's still plenty of educated individuals that realize what the Warrens, Clintons, Obamas, etc. are really about. The Democratic Party has become a dangerous organization that no longer represents the people, country , and Constitution. All one has to do is to see how they've reacted to the President being elected for the past 2 1/2 years.! Now that Muellar exonerated the President as a Russian operative, their next plan is to smoke screen the next investigations that appears to be implicating the entire DNC and their many operatives that were involved in a concerted and organized effort to overthrow an election! This is the stuff that happens in third world countries!!

As far as increasing taxes go, this is a response from those elected that have no clue how to solve anything, unless it's by throwing thousands or millions of dollars at it! Either case... it ultimately proves voters are willing to follow blindly, by electing people by color, gender, etc, rather than sound judgement and abilities of the individual.
Your last thought is so true (I added the bold) - exactly what both the left and the right say!

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It warms my heart to read some of these responses... I was beginning to think the liberals were going to finally be able to destroy our Constitution and country. Seems like there's still plenty of educated individuals that realize what the Warrens, Clintons, Obamas, etc. are really about. The Democratic Party has become a dangerous organization that no longer represents the people, country , and Constitution. All one has to do is to see how they've reacted to the President being elected for the past 2 1/2 years.! Now that Muellar exonerated the President as a Russian operative, their next plan is to smoke screen the next investigations that appears to be implicating the entire DNC and their many operatives that were involved in a concerted and organized effort to overthrow an election! This is the stuff that happens in third world countries!!

As far as increasing taxes go, this is a response from those elected that have no clue how to solve anything, unless it's by throwing thousands or millions of dollars at it! Either case... it ultimately proves voters are willing to follow blindly, by electing people by color, gender, etc, rather than sound judgement and abilities of the individual.
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NH is really a state. Unfortunately, with the influx of people from blue states, the demographics and the mindsets are changing. FLL's post suggest that a real state taxes the hell out of its citizenry, so it can grow government. I'd rather live in a state that has low taxes, offers minimal government services and requires its citizens to be self-reliant. When will we learn that throwing money at problems does not achieve better results, whether it's education, welfare, dealing with the drug crisis, etc. Better families produce better citizens. We need to expect more from each other.
have you ever thought about moving to Alaska . That out in the woods alone with no neighbors , hugging you gun mentality seems right up your alley . Most folks see the value in schools, good roads , and helping people that are down on their luck , that takes a little more in taxes then you seem willing to involve yourself with
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have you ever thought about moving to Alaska . That out in the woods alone with no neighbors , hugging you gun mentality seems right up your alley . Most folks see the value in schools, good roads , and helping people that are down on their luck , that takes a little more in taxes then you seem willing to involve yourself with
Where are you from Billy Bob? I'm from Laconia. If you are from another state, which I suspect, I find it rich that you can come here and inform us that our value system is not correct. So I'm supposed to move to Alaska because the state that I love is a much different place than it was when I was younger? Okay, that makes sense.

I have never said that I am not interested in funding education, infrastructure and helping people who TRULY need help. NH natives have traditionally been wary of big government. Democrats finally took over the house in 2006, and what's the first thing they focused on, universal kindergarten. We were just fine without mandating it for the history of the state. Now it isn't good enough. Look at our school systems, one administrator (or more) for every teacher. Look at our investment in Section 8 housing. Look at our investment in rehab facilities. Government is too big. Honestly, I don't want to pay for it.

I haven't even touched on the social issues. States like Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York and New Jersey can keep their progressive values. Our value system was just fine prior to the onslaught of out-of-staters.
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I am NOT in favor of big government, nor am I in favor of continually raising taxes or funding propositions that make no sense. However, coming from the corporate side, there is a huge advantage that government spending has over corporate that I’ve had to concede. A dollar that goes into the corporate kitty has several things going against it:

1. It is depleted by marketing and selling costs which government isn’t. These can be significant part of P&L, in the neighborhood of 30-35%. My corporate dollar just became my corporate $0.70
2. It is further depleted by profit requirements, which government isn’t. Again, significant part of the P&L, in my industry, roughly 20-25%. My corporate dollar became $0.70 and now $0.50.
3. Waste. Here corporate might have an edge over government spending, but there is plenty, if not enormous, waste in corporate. I’ll keep my corporate dollar at $0.50, add back a dime for better use of resources. My corporate dollar became $0.60.

Government starts at $1.00, corporate starts at $0.60. Remember already factored in government vs corporate waste, so both equivalized for waste, efficiency and effectiveness.

Where to go with this quandary?
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Where are you from Billy Bob? I'm from Laconia. If you are from another state, which I suspect, I find it rich that you can come here and inform us that our value system is not correct. So I'm supposed to move to Alaska because the state that I love is a much different place than it was when I was younger? Okay, that makes sense.

I have never said that I am not interested in funding education, infrastructure and helping people who TRULY need help. NH natives have traditionally been wary of big government. Democrats finally took over the house in 2006, and what's the first thing they focused on, universal kindergarten. We were just fine without mandating it for the history of the state. Now it isn't good enough. Look at our school systems, one administrator (or more) for every teacher. Look at our investment in Section 8 housing. Look at our investment in rehab facilities. Government is too big. Honestly, I don't want to pay for it.

I haven't even touched on the social issues. States like Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York and New Jersey can keep their progressive values. Our value system was just fine prior to the onslaught of out-of-staters.
Ya, here in progressive Ma we are just doing terrible. We pay our taxes and probably 50% of NH's too.

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So that gives you the right to change us? I live in NH and pay a phenomenal amount of MA state income tax. The difference is I know my place. I don't shove my value system down the throats of all the moonbats I work with. They don't want to hear it and I can't be bothered.
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So that gives you the right to change us? I live in NH and pay a phenomenal amount of MA state income tax. The difference is I know my place. I don't shove my value system down the throats of all the moonbats I work with. They don't want to hear it and I can't be bothered.
I'm not changing your direction. That would take a sizemic event. I know your place too and I'm glad we are far apart. You must be a hoot to work with.

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So that gives you the right to change us? I live in NH and pay a phenomenal amount of MA state income tax. The difference is I know my place. I don't shove my value system down the throats of all the moonbats I work with. They don't want to hear it and I can't be bothered.
I actually kind of agree with you. My family has had island property for 100 years and all the newbies who have come recently and crowd the lake with their big, loud, fast boats are annoying! All these recent arrivals should be more respectful of the way the Lake was 50 years ago when I was a child - or better yet, remember it as it was for my grandfather. Too bad people didn't know their place and instead came here to force their values onto those of us who were already settled. There were no speed limits, fewer no wake zones, way fewer Marine Patrols, parking was easier, no boat license needed, houses were smaller and blended in better - the good old days!
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Interesting comments about the good 'ol days. I can't go back 100 years, but I can remember the mid-60's. Winnipesaukee was like a cocoon for us. We got to do all the things kids should do, everyone looked out for each other, the water was so clear. Every dip in the Lake was like a warm bath. The "secret" got out somehow and now it's shared with a lot more people - and commotion. The memories, though, are mine.
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For all you people longing for the "good old days", you can't turn back time!
My father in-law use to say "the good old days weren't as good as everyone makes them out to be".
We remember them as being good because we were children without a care in the world but our parents had the same worries and stress that we do today as adults.
Our children will remember these days as "the good old days".
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For all you people longing for the "good old days", you can't turn back time!
My father in-law use to say "the good old days weren't as good as everyone makes them out to be".
We remember them as being good because we were children without a care in the world but our parents had the same worries and stress that we do today as adults.
Our children will remember these days as "the good old days".
I agree - and my previous post was meant to be tongue in cheek. Times change, thoughts change, society changes, and "the way things were" evolves. If we don't like what is happening we have the freedom to speak out, to vote in like minded people, or to simply move away. Some options are harder than others and sometimes we go from a majority viewpoint to a minority one (or vice versus) seemingly overnight.
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Robust thread! I love it because it is what we are made of.
From 1954 to 2008 my summers were solely 11 Oak Street, and then after the 911 configuration, 16 Acorn Drive in West Alton. Memories imbued in my grey matter forever, and blessed that my own children had the chance to love the lake as well. Went from $500.00 a year in property taxes all the way up to $10,000.00 before the property was unceremoniously auctioned off. Bless my Uncle for hanging on to it as long as he did.
As a Masshole, I can't begin to express the frustration of what I see happening with the likes of Warren. Overall what has happened to the Granite State is a microcosm of what is happening Nation-Wide. 2020 will be a very important time.
My own daughter, who is genuinely brilliant, just graduated from Salem State University Summa Cum Laude with her Masters, has been brainwashed by some of the "best speak rhetoric" evident at the graduation ceremony.
To us boomers who have been through "a lot", Don't Let the Bastards wear you down! On a good note, picked up the boat at Dave's last Saturday and I am preparing for sunny and calm all summer long in the Paradise of Winni!
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Oh boy, this thread can go so many ways and they are all bad!
Bringing politics into a thread never has a good outcome although I think the OP planned it that way.
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I prefer this outcome... tomorrow in Thursday - this weekend is Memorial Day so three days off, and I'll be damned if I am not blowing out of work early tomorrow so I can catch the sunset on my dock. Work half a day from there on Friday and call it a week. I earned that much from all the damned taxes I pay :-)

By the way the weather forecast is looking pretty darn nice too. About freaking time!
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I prefer this outcome... tomorrow in Thursday - this weekend is Memorial Day so three days off, and I'll be damned if I am not blowing out of work early tomorrow so I can catch the sunset on my dock. Work half a day from there on Friday and call it a week. I earned that much from all the damned taxes I pay :-)

By the way the weather forecast is looking pretty darn nice too. About freaking time!
I like your sunny outlook and disposition! It's a good way to close out this thread.
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I moved to NC from MA for work in 2001. So many people coming here to escape from high tax and high cost real estate states. Then they vote the same as they did back home. These people are like locusts. NH has suffered from the same thing. We bought property in Sanbornton a few years ago for our retirement home (can't wait to get back!). Limited government and live free or die!
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I moved to NC from MA for work in 2001. So many people coming here to escape from high tax and high cost real estate states. Then they vote the same as they did back home. These people are like locusts. NH has suffered from the same thing. We bought property in Sanbornton a few years ago for our retirement home (can't wait to get back!). Limited government and live free or die!
Unfortunately, NH is slowly going blue. Senate demon-rats passed 4 new gun control bills today. Hopefully our governor will get his veto pen ready.
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More boiler plate "feel good" so called gun control stupidity. Also interesting that we are doing this because the amount of gun violence in NH is so high

Establishing gun free zones? LOL beautiful - let's rename them to what they really are, live target practice ranges for the mentally deranged. I thought we cared about our kids... guess not better to leave them completely defenseless and then advertise that they are.

A three day waiting period? Great that gives the mentally deranged aforementioned three days more days finalize their plans and stockpile ammo before going on a shooting spree. I guess these dumbocrats didn't bother to notice that most of the large scale horrific shootings that have occurred historically the perpetrator had spent months accumulating what they needed and planning their deed.

Mandatory background checks on commercial gun sales? In case these fools didn't know, you need an FFL to conduct commercial gun sales and as such you are FEDERALLY mandated to do a criminal background check or the FFL holder is guilty of a felony.

What does this do to stop criminals? Nothing at all.

Pat them all on the back aren't they all a bunch of geniuses?
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NH is really a state. Unfortunately, with the influx of people from blue states, the demographics and the mindsets are changing. FLL's post suggest that a real state taxes the hell out of its citizenry, so it can grow government. I'd rather live in a state that has low taxes, offers minimal government services and requires its citizens to be self-reliant. When will we learn that throwing money at problems does not achieve better results, whether it's education, welfare, dealing with the drug crisis, etc. Better families produce better citizens. We need to expect more from each other.

So move to FL-as I did, much more tax friendly and more importantly, your vote means something. NH is a left wing crazy state. Own it. And anyone who doesn't believe it is from the Massholes who move here to AVOID taxes is delirious.
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Are we really going to flog this dead horse again in this forum?
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Are we really going to flog this dead horse again in this forum?
Sorry, it was my fault, Major is just so predictable I couldn’t help myself.
I’m from Manchester and have been on the lake for 35 years.
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Sorry, it was my fault, Major is just so predictable I couldn’t help myself.

I’m from Manchester and have been on the lake for 35 years.
I’ll take that as a compliment. Although I’m reminded of the quote “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds!”


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