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NH is really a state. Unfortunately, with the influx of people from blue states, the demographics and the mindsets are changing. FLL's post suggest that a real state taxes the hell out of its citizenry, so it can grow government. I'd rather live in a state that has low taxes, offers minimal government services and requires its citizens to be self-reliant. When will we learn that throwing money at problems does not achieve better results, whether it's education, welfare, dealing with the drug crisis, etc. Better families produce better citizens. We need to expect more from each other.
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What taxes the hell out of its citizenry are cities and town with low home values and their accompanying high property tax rate/$1000. The individual town rates vary a lot from about $10/1000 up to $40/1000 .... plus with a high rate, the homes sell for a lot less.
And, there's no money going from the state back to the towns. So, what happens in this here town is totally paid by this here town .... so it is not so much a state as a collection of individual towns. Most likely, it will always be this way. If it was going to change, it would have already happened.
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Basically, the Massachusetts property owner of the NH single home rental is subsidizing the renter, and it doesn't make too much sense why the owner hangs on to the property. The local rental market just doesn't support all the expenses of owning. Go figure?
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The depreciation comes back as "recapture" and haunts you on the sale of the property.
It's more of a tax deferral than a tax break. |
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Yea, to bad those “massholes” want to drag you kicking & screaming out of the dark ages!
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I have never said that I am not interested in funding education, infrastructure and helping people who TRULY need help. NH natives have traditionally been wary of big government. Democrats finally took over the house in 2006, and what's the first thing they focused on, universal kindergarten. We were just fine without mandating it for the history of the state. Now it isn't good enough. Look at our school systems, one administrator (or more) for every teacher. Look at our investment in Section 8 housing. Look at our investment in rehab facilities. Government is too big. Honestly, I don't want to pay for it. I haven't even touched on the social issues. States like Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York and New Jersey can keep their progressive values. Our value system was just fine prior to the onslaught of out-of-staters. |
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I am NOT in favor of big government, nor am I in favor of continually raising taxes or funding propositions that make no sense. However, coming from the corporate side, there is a huge advantage that government spending has over corporate that I’ve had to concede. A dollar that goes into the corporate kitty has several things going against it:
1. It is depleted by marketing and selling costs which government isn’t. These can be significant part of P&L, in the neighborhood of 30-35%. My corporate dollar just became my corporate $0.70 2. It is further depleted by profit requirements, which government isn’t. Again, significant part of the P&L, in my industry, roughly 20-25%. My corporate dollar became $0.70 and now $0.50. 3. Waste. Here corporate might have an edge over government spending, but there is plenty, if not enormous, waste in corporate. I’ll keep my corporate dollar at $0.50, add back a dime for better use of resources. My corporate dollar became $0.60. Government starts at $1.00, corporate starts at $0.60. Remember already factored in government vs corporate waste, so both equivalized for waste, efficiency and effectiveness. Where to go with this quandary? |
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So move to FL-as I did, much more tax friendly and more importantly, your vote means something. NH is a left wing crazy state. Own it. And anyone who doesn't believe it is from the Massholes who move here to AVOID taxes is delirious. |
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Are we really going to flog this dead horse again in this forum?
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Interesting comments about the good 'ol days. I can't go back 100 years, but I can remember the mid-60's. Winnipesaukee was like a cocoon for us. We got to do all the things kids should do, everyone looked out for each other, the water was so clear. Every dip in the Lake was like a warm bath. The "secret" got out somehow and now it's shared with a lot more people - and commotion. The memories, though, are mine.
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For all you people longing for the "good old days", you can't turn back time!
My father in-law use to say "the good old days weren't as good as everyone makes them out to be". We remember them as being good because we were children without a care in the world but our parents had the same worries and stress that we do today as adults. Our children will remember these days as "the good old days". |
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Robust thread! I love it because it is what we are made of.
From 1954 to 2008 my summers were solely 11 Oak Street, and then after the 911 configuration, 16 Acorn Drive in West Alton. Memories imbued in my grey matter forever, and blessed that my own children had the chance to love the lake as well. Went from $500.00 a year in property taxes all the way up to $10,000.00 before the property was unceremoniously auctioned off. Bless my Uncle for hanging on to it as long as he did. As a Masshole, I can't begin to express the frustration of what I see happening with the likes of Warren. Overall what has happened to the Granite State is a microcosm of what is happening Nation-Wide. 2020 will be a very important time. My own daughter, who is genuinely brilliant, just graduated from Salem State University Summa Cum Laude with her Masters, has been brainwashed by some of the "best speak rhetoric" evident at the graduation ceremony. To us boomers who have been through "a lot", Don't Let the Bastards wear you down! On a good note, picked up the boat at Dave's last Saturday and I am preparing for sunny and calm all summer long in the Paradise of Winni! |
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Oh boy, this thread can go so many ways and they are all bad!
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I prefer this outcome... tomorrow in Thursday - this weekend is Memorial Day so three days off, and I'll be damned if I am not blowing out of work early tomorrow so I can catch the sunset on my dock. Work half a day from there on Friday and call it a week. I earned that much from all the damned taxes I pay :-)
By the way the weather forecast is looking pretty darn nice too. About freaking time! |
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I moved to NC from MA for work in 2001. So many people coming here to escape from high tax and high cost real estate states. Then they vote the same as they did back home. These people are like locusts. NH has suffered from the same thing. We bought property in Sanbornton a few years ago for our retirement home (can't wait to get back!). Limited government and live free or die!
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More boiler plate "feel good" so called gun control stupidity. Also interesting that we are doing this because the amount of gun violence in NH is so high
![]() Establishing gun free zones? LOL beautiful - let's rename them to what they really are, live target practice ranges for the mentally deranged. I thought we cared about our kids... guess not better to leave them completely defenseless and then advertise that they are. A three day waiting period? Great that gives the mentally deranged aforementioned three days more days finalize their plans and stockpile ammo before going on a shooting spree. I guess these dumbocrats didn't bother to notice that most of the large scale horrific shootings that have occurred historically the perpetrator had spent months accumulating what they needed and planning their deed. Mandatory background checks on commercial gun sales? In case these fools didn't know, you need an FFL to conduct commercial gun sales and as such you are FEDERALLY mandated to do a criminal background check or the FFL holder is guilty of a felony. What does this do to stop criminals? Nothing at all. Pat them all on the back aren't they all a bunch of geniuses? |
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This is not simply a mental health issue, either. Instead, it is an availability issue. Suicide attempts with guns are much more "successful" than by other means. The more relaxed the gun laws are, the higher the rate per capital. And, the successful rates of suicides are highest among white men, not coincidentally the same group that is most likely to have access to a gun. I'm not suggested banning guns, just pointing out that to have a meaningful discussion about guns and the second amendment, I believe suidice is an essential part of the discussion. |
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I think mental health and the outrageous amount of people prescribed anti psychotic medication is one of the biggest drivers. You quoted 22,938 people committed suicide by using a fire arm in 2016. Sadly this is only 50% of the total people who committed suicide by any means in 2016. So if any other attempts that were not successful were added to that list it would show a larger finger pointed at general mental unwellness than a "gun" problem. A gun is just a tool used to achieve a result, unfortunately this result is ending their life, whether they use a gun, knife, pills or any other means what the underlying reason is for that action is what needs to be addressed. Not eliminating the tool. Would completely eliminating any of the top 5 ways people do it help, sure but is that the right way to address the overall problem? I don't know. The gun debate is definitely one that warrants discussion in our society. But I think we overlook mental health because we are in no position to offer proper mental support in our health care system and it is much easier to blame an object or availability. |
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The facts are people that hate guns do not want anyone to have them. Cory Booker and others want total confiscation. they have an AGENDA against firearms being pushed and funded by billionaire liberals. No "meaningful" discussion needed. Our God given rights to defend ourselves and our families are being slowly eroded. LIVE FREE OR DIE! |
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I have a few friends that are big gun nuts and I wouldn't consider them completely sane. They are sane until they are not. They all seem to have anger issues and if they are having an episode when carrying I wouldn't trust them not to do something stupid.
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I'd suggest a better phrase would be "very unhappy with their life." None of us ask to be born; if we don't like living in this world we should be free to remove ourself from it, without stigma or recrimination. No, I'm not suicidial: far from it, but I can understand how and why many people choose to kill themselves. "Live free or die."
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Truth.. We will be living in New Venezuela in 20 years not New Hampshire....
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Sadly for liberals, we have this little thing called the Second Amendment. It's funny, the right to bear arms is specifically identified in the Bill of Rights of our great Constitution, yet liberals are obsessed with the idea restricting this fairly broad right. Other so called rights, such as marriage, voting, abortion, etc., aren't even mentioned in the Constitution, yet liberals want the Federal government to place no restrictions on these so called rights.
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Again, as long as we keep perpetuating the us vs. them mentality, meaningful coexistence will never be attained. Sadly, to me anyway, it's not happening - too much finger-pointing at "them" as the cause of the problem.
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The left's version of compromise is confiscation, and both of us know that is ultimately the goal. Whenever I've bought guns, I've been through a background check. What more do you want? The issue is mental health, and mental health patients have rights in today's world. Limiting my rights as a gun owner doesn't achieve your purpose. Doesn't make the world safer, and in the end, is a limitation on liberty. |
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But then again, that's why I think this is such a great country. We can have strong polarizing views, we can disagree, and we have the power to elect those people we think will best represent us. |
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The issue is that the left has absolutely no legal standing for its positions on this issue. Anything beyond unfettered, unregulated gun ownership is a compromise from the right. Background checks are a compromise. Training courses are a compromise. Registering with the local police department is a compromise. Again, exactly how has the left compromised on this issue? |
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This statement has been interpreted very differently by individuals, states, and the judicial branch over the centuries. It's only within the past 10 years or so (District of Columbia v. Heller, 2008) that the Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision recognized the right of a citizen to own a gun for self protection. This has been a contentious issue since our country was founded - which is one reason it is the Second Amendment and not in the original text of the Constitution. So again, while I hear your point, there are many on the opposite side of the issue who feel all they have done is compromise (allow handguns, concealed carry, semi automatic guns, individuals, etc). My main point (my opinion, of course) is that the extreme right and the extreme left each spend too much time blaming the other and are equally to blame for a lack of meaningful dialogue. As an example, I feel that hardcore Bernie supporters in the 2016 election and hardcore Trump supporters had more in common than either side was willing to admit to (the system is rigged, Washington is ineffective, the middle class is being shut out, etc.). Yet, they are venomous in their attacking of each other. |
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In closing I need to follow Maxum's plan - get out of work, away from my computer, and out on the water! Have a great Memorial Day weekend everyone!
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Yep, isn't it funny how the minute the Democrats take over the legislature they add every tax they can think of.
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Why do we have to be liberals/conservatives, republicans/democrats, left/right. I hate all these labels where we paint everyone into a corner. We all live on a continuum and I'd like to think we could all at least talk about common grounds. If one side has to "win" we'll never sort this stuff out.
I guess that's what we get when we have to live our lives on facebook/twitter/SMS where everything has to be said in 180 characters or whatever the limit is. |
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If not, why wouldn't you just stay home. Why come to a once Great State and want to change it. |
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Drag us out of the dark ages?????? I guess we need to thank you for enlightening us. And you wonder why we don't want (some ) of you to come here????? I couldn't believe I read that!!!
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It warms my heart to read some of these responses... I was beginning to think the liberals were going to finally be able to destroy our Constitution and country. Seems like there's still plenty of educated individuals that realize what the Warrens, Clintons, Obamas, etc. are really about. The Democratic Party has become a dangerous organization that no longer represents the people, country , and Constitution. All one has to do is to see how they've reacted to the President being elected for the past 2 1/2 years.! Now that Muellar exonerated the President as a Russian operative, their next plan is to smoke screen the next investigations that appears to be implicating the entire DNC and their many operatives that were involved in a concerted and organized effort to overthrow an election! This is the stuff that happens in third world countries!!
![]() As far as increasing taxes go, this is a response from those elected that have no clue how to solve anything, unless it's by throwing thousands or millions of dollars at it! Either case... it ultimately proves voters are willing to follow blindly, by electing people by color, gender, etc, rather than sound judgement and abilities of the individual. |
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The truth is politicians don't want to solve anything. They want to create issues to get voted into office but never solve them. They have been talking about the same issues my whole life. They want to take our money and waste it.
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I'm pretty sure there are some good people with laudable ideas and ideals that go into politics. Only to be crusehd under the sheer weight of the bureaucracy. I couldn't imagine running a business where there's a line drawn in the sand every time so that if you say "yes", I say "no". Stalemate (checkmate really).
They also have no relationships to work off of. I read something few years back. Used to be that somewhere north of 90% of Congress lived in D.C. for some period of time. They visited each others homes, saw each other at gatherings, created relationships, even friendships. Their political interaction was changed by the personal relationships they had. Now, as I remember, the number living in D.C. is under 5%. Low likelihood of ever cooperating. Even if a spending initiative was good for us, likely 1/2 would say "no" because the other half said "yes." Takes nay saying to another level. |
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