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08-03-2019, 05:53 AM | #1 |
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Boating Safety and Complaints
Captain Tim Dunleavy interviewed.
Patience, courtesy, preparedness and adherence to the law would remedy many of the problems people encounter when boating, but there are people who apparently don’t care or are ignorant of these basics. From the Laconia Daily Sun: https://www.laconiadailysun.com/spec...174331dd4.html |
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My son took the boating course in another state and the only thing I remember being different was the 150 ft rule.
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I think if Marine patrol spent two Saturdays in a row doing random spot checks of boats/boaters safety compliance and knowledge of the rules, word would get out and more people would brush up on the rules resulting in increased safety for all. Have all of the 2-week license test sites inform their customers that marine patrol is out making spot checks/interviews.
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Side note, been here on Winnisquam all season and have yet to see a MP boat! In past years they were seen on weekends. Not during the week. But, this year, not one has been sighted. Are they all over at the big lake? Just a observation
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Where's the Auxiliary?
NH used to have an active Marine Patrol Auxiliary. I haven't seen them in several years. Power Squadron used to be more visible too. Both did courtesy safety checks at public docks and would discuss various issues (e.g. 150 ft rule) on a casual basis. They could not stop anybody. I don't think MP can just stop anybody without just cause, same as other police. On the other hand, I think Fish and Game CO's can stop you and ask to see your license and your fish.
Things can be pretty busy for Lake Hosts, but maybe they could play a part, even if it is just handing out or offering those buoy direction stickers. (Do those include the 150' rule?). I don't trailer-does anybody know? |
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Innocent boaters getting stopped for no reason is not something I would ever entertain whatsoever! Thank God there are laws on the books to prevent this kind of big brother intrusion! Dan
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Maybe Marine Patrol cannot do that but the Coast Guard can and does stop and board you for a safety check. Good thing we never see them on lake...other then when Mitt Romney was running for President.
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Kind of interesting to me
Growing up on the lake in the fifties and early sixties I never saw a M.P. boat! Was on the water every day, weather permitting, all summer long. How different today.
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In those days, there was noMarine Patrol. The Public Utilities Commission and a couple of 28' Steelcraft boats with blue paint and blue lights. They mostly maintained buoys and would bring SP or sheriff on the lake when needed. In those quieter times, not much need for law enforcement.
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08-04-2019, 11:29 AM | #14 |
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I don't remember Marine Patrol until the mid 60s when Dave Johnston from Alton who was a friend of my parents would swing in to say hi. I wonder when it actually did become active on the lake.
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I think it is safe to say that although MP is not supposed to be able to stop anyone for any reason, we all know they can if they choose to. They can just make up any reason as to why they stopped you, (most people aren't going to argue with them) ie: I thought I saw a child without a PFD on, or it looked like you have to many passengers for this size boat, and wanted to check the Coast Guard tag on the boat, or you looked "unsteady" on your feet and I want to do a sobriety test, there's a million reasons they can come up with if they want to, and we all know that you must be on your best behavior when conversing with them, or they can make life miserable for you. It's the same on the street in your car. It doesn't matter if you are perfectly legal, abiding by all the rules and regulations, anyone can be stopped at any time for any reason, IMHO. I'm not saying it's good or bad, it just is what it is...
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Kinda hard to promote safety and enforce the law if you're not stopping people. I guess that additional coaching must be instruction on determining the level of stupidity one must be engaged in before action is taken and once the suggested quota of stops per day is filled that's it? That's just awesome! I'm not suggesting the MP harass people but these guys have a hard enough job without their own actions being over scrutinized. That breeds hesitation in enforcement that that could have potentially fatal consequences. Not harping on you Descant, I'm harping on the Commissioner. |
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I think the idea is that the initial stop has to be a good one so that if you find something more serious as you go through the process it doesn't get thrown out because the stop was not articulately proper in the first place. Commissioner Flynn is long gone from the scene, but he certainly set the tone for many years.
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Randomly stopping people just to check their knowledge to me personally doesn't make any sense. What's next pulling people over in their (our) cars and asking us "what do you do at a stop sign?" I've had my boating certificate 20(+) (?) years do I remember every rule and every color out there? Nope... BUT...I'm also courteous and do not venture out to areas I'm not familiar. I could not blindly take the test today and pass it to save my life. What percentage of people would you guess that have been boating for 10+ years could randomly (without studying) take the test and pass it? I'm guessing the number would be shockingly low.
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I found a practice test at www.boaterexam.com. I got 100%, but there were no specific NH questions. If this is the average level of education around the country, and we have a lot of people taking out of state exams, it's no wonder we have a lot of boats "ignoring" NH law. They just don't know. DPG, don't sell yourself short,. I bet you and most of the Boating Forum folks are better educated on the rules than average. This may be why some have so much frustration with those who don't know. |
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People know they’re not supposed to speed but they do. They know that they’re not supposed to text and drive but they do. And they know they’re not supposed to run a stop sign or red light but they do. I could go on. They treat the rules of the road as suggestions. Boating rules are no different. Some people treat them as suggestions too and they ignore them just like in the car.
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I agree completely about things like not understanding buoys. There are two marked boat lanes between Bear and Mark and it’s amazing how many boaters go right through the middle where there are some shallow spots. They often drive brand new boats but didn’t bother to get or read a map. But if they hit a rock it’s all on them without impacting anyone else.
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Guy shaking his fist near Bear Island at me.... AKA - Jerk!
Out on Tuesday afternoon water skiing with the family between Meredith Neck and Bear Island when I stop to pick up a skier that fell when I see a boat going ~20+ MPH heading in my direction 20-30 ft to the right of my bow Shaking his fist at me. I was stopped long before he was anywhere near me as I had already turned around to get the skier and was pulling her to the boat with the engine off.
He obviously was mad that I was stopped in the middle of the bay... He must have been talking to his friend in the boat after clearing the NWZ and coming up on plane heading south toward the Weir's when he saw me and felt inconvenienced that he might have to turn to go around me. Unfortunately, I was too busy waving my fist back at him and pointing to the skier I had in the water to get his boat reg numbers. Last I knew is as long as I am not stopped in a channel impeding safe passage for other boats, I can stop anywhere on the lake I want to. Even if I decide, I want to stop and have a sandwich, glass of wine or just jump in and swim. Not to mention if I stop to pick up a water skier. And the spot I was stopped in is at least 2,700 ft from shore to shore and at least 3,000' from the NWZ. Should be plenty of space to have 150' - 300' from me and my skier. Wish I knew where he kept his boat so I could go run my kids on tubes while he is trying to sit on his dock. I could then anchor off his dock and shake my fist at him... LOL. Good news is nobody got hurt, but it would be nice if people would remember that boating on the lake is meant for recreational fun. That includes rides to Weir's, jumping off to swim, going slow past nice houses(with nobody using them), Tubing, Water Skiing, Snorkeling, just sitting in the middle doing nothing. |
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I go to get gas today at 2:30 at trexlers. East side of the bridge on approach a guy is stopped just before the red pin in channel and trying to rig his boat up for tubing. I come down off plane squeeze between him and the pin as another boat heads east on other side. I get gas and head back under the bridge. Now he is set up and getting the third kid on the tube all between 10-12 years old. Once again forced to pass close to him and as I do I lean over the side and yell to him that he has no spotter in boat. He says - huh ? Needless to say he hammered down towing the kids
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