Vaccinations

[BrownstoneNorth]

Originally Posted by rick35

The vaccination card can't possibly be considered to be a certificate. Mine has two stickers on an otherwise blank card. What kind of official document would be needed to get on a vaccinated-only cruise ship? I don't think it could be that card or the downloaded pdf certificate. Either could be easily forged.

You're right, the cards with the CDC logo are already being counterfeited, but for the time being are considered acceptable by some places requiring proof.

THANK YOU for motivating me to find my state's official immunization records website (it wasn't easy), register, and get actual proof. I've now saved in my computer and printed that one out, too. In a couple of weeks we're going to NY, which has recently lifted quarantine & testing requirements for out of state visitors who are fully vaccinated — no indication of what will be considered “proof.”

I think most states have a similar data base. For anybody here who happens to be a Maryland resident, this is it:

https://md.myir.net/

[bobkatfly]

Just got second Pfizer. Be warned that LRCC is no longer giving shots. Moved to Belknap mall. They asked for cert. cards from first shot but didn't need them. They also wrote new cards for the second shot.

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Good question—there's gotta be some record in the system that processed your first shot? I would think they'd be able to fill in a new card when you showed up.

On the same topic: what will the card be needed for, if anything, and should we get them laminated for durability/longevity?

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At my second shot, the person administering suggested i keep my card in a safe place. At each shot a sticker was applied on the card with the date, location and make (for me Moderna) of the shots. So, my card has two stickers with the appropriate information on each, and I keep it in the same place with the cards that identify the type of lenses I received when I had cataract surgery- "just in case"!

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

FYI. Patrick’s Pub closed today due to a positive among the staff
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We're delighted to let you know we'll be open for business tomorrow, Friday, beginning at 3pm (we'll return to opening at Noon next week)!

Working with healthcare experts, we have followed the CDC guidelines, performed extensive cleaning and are now ready to safely serve you.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by rick35

The vaccination card can't possibly be considered to be a certificate. Mine has two stickers on an otherwise blank card. What kind of official document would be needed to get on a vaccinated-only cruise ship? I don't think it could be that card or the downloaded pdf certificate. Either could be easily forged.

I'd hold on to every document you can. Other countries are opening restaurants to serve people who can document their vaccinations. (New mentions of the "green pass").

"According to the regulations, in order to eat inside a restaurant a specially appointed staff member, like a host, must check the patron's green pass or vaccination/recovery certificate, which can be done by scanning the pass's QR or barcode, before they can be seated. Those without the green pass can only be seated outdoors, according to the government regulations".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=uxbndlbing

[WinnisquamZ]

So we just toss out the HIPPA Laws and Privacy rules?

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[rick35]

There's been some chatter on various news sources about a "vaccine passport". Theres nothing official at this point but it makes sense that there will need to be soon.

[BrownstoneNorth]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

So we just toss out the HIPPA Laws and Privacy rules?

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HIPAA's privacy protections are to prevent others from revealing your information without your permission, not to stop you from revealing it to whomever. Americans have been required for generations to show proof of vaccination against various diseases in order to attend school, camp, etc.

https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-profes...acy/index.html

The HIPAA Privacy Rule

The HIPAA Privacy Rule establishes national standards to protect individuals' medical records and other personal health information and applies to health plans, health care clearinghouses, and those health care providers that conduct certain health care transactions electronically. The Rule requires appropriate safeguards to protect the privacy of personal health information, and sets limits and conditions on the uses and disclosures that may be made of such information without patient authorization. The Rule also gives patients rights over their health information, including rights to examine and obtain a copy of their health records, and to request corrections.

[thinkxingu]

I just saw an article that Staples is laminating vaccination cards for free.

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[Sue Doe-Nym]

We had shot #2 yesterday in Plymouth. The line was enormous, so we thought we would be there for hours....not so....it was so efficient, and the National Guardsmen could not have been more helpful and polite. They were appreciative when we thanked them...very positive experience, and we were out of there in 75 minutes total. Moderna....slightly sore arm, nothing more.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

We had shot #2 yesterday in Plymouth. The line was enormous, so we thought we would be there for hours....not so....it was so efficient, and the National Guardsmen could not have been more helpful and polite. They were appreciative when we thanked them...very positive experience, and we were out of there in 75 minutes total. Moderna....slightly sore arm, nothing more.

Congrats, Sue! I got my first at Fenway on Monday, and I was shocked how quick and efficient it was. Even with a bit of back and forth during registration, my father in law and I were out the door in less than 40 minutes

[Biggd]

My wife and I got our first 2 weeks ago at CVS, we get our second in another week. Both our birthdays are in the middle of April so we should be safe by then.
Our 40th anniversary is this June and we were hoping to take a trip so we are planning now that we will be fully vaccinated.
Feeling hopeful for a promising 2021!!

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by Biggd

My wife and I got our first 2 weeks ago at CVS

How did you do that? CVS isn't listed among the vaccination sites.

[TheTimeTraveler]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

How did you do that? CVS isn't listed among the vaccination sites.

Maybe from another nearby State ?

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler

Maybe from another nearby State ?

Perhaps Mass house in Waltham. It’s in his bio.

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[upthesaukee]

Woo hoo. 2nd shot in the books yesterday at Huggins. A little achy today, but not bad.

Kudos to Huggins for an exceptional job of scheduling and then administering the shots.

Dave

[Biggd]

I'm in Ma.

Originally Posted by SailinAway

How did you do that? CVS isn't listed among the vaccination sites.

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[radioman]

Cannot say enough about the marvelous job of the vac program offered at Mid-State Medical in Plymouth !!!!Well done to all involved!!

[Lakegeezer]

The state opened up the registration app for those over 50's at around 7AM and we got an appointment for this afternoon. Lots of slots available! Early bird gets the needle.

[HobieCat'n]

I'm trying to register for vaccine this morning as part of Phase 2b. As of 8:45am the front page of the web site says it's down for maintenance and will open at 8 am, and lacks a Register Now button. If you go thru the Do I qualify? button, answer the questions, you then get a register now button. I got all the way thru the process. But when fill in my personal info, I got stuck because the State and County menus won't fill with choices, nor can you type text into them. So still waiting for them to correct this....

[8gv]

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

The state opened up the registration app for those over 50's at around 7AM and we got an appointment for this afternoon. Lots of slots available! Early bird gets the needle.

Well my wife wanted to sign us up and gave it a shot.

She couldn't get the state and county drop down boxes to work.

She started needling me about it so I tried too.

After an injection of effort on my part I found no cure.

Now it seems that the site is down.

I hope it doesn't have a virus!

[WinnisquamZ]

A good laugh is always welcome when discussing “vaccines”


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[HobieCat'n]

I got all my personal info entered now. But when pushing the next button a red error message flashes at the top. something about VAMS. I thought VINI was replacing VAMS. Stilling pushing Next .....

[HobieCat'n]

Next finally suceeded. Got my email back from the State to Activate my account. Did so. Then trying to schedule. I can see sites and next available date. But when I click See Availability, it says:
Please select an available appointment slot below.

Hmmm, but only empty white space below. Still repeating.....

[HobieCat'n]

Got it scheduled 2 hrs and 57 min after I started trying the website.

[8gv]

Well I am happy to report that after much gyration an appointment has been made for our first vaccination!

Or... it could be our only one because it seems that the brand of the shot is not disclosed.

I'm just happy to get this rolling before the murder hornets return.

[WinnisquamZ]

https://wmur.com/article/new-hampshi...-2021/35903414


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[MeredithMan]

....maybe it was just timing, but we signed up no problemo today...plenty of availability both in Bedford area and Meredith area. We get jabbed on March 31!

[salty dog]

WIfe and I got our 2nd this past Sat. (Pfizer) Very good feeling! I had a sore arm and a little fatigue, my wife was kinda wiped out and had a headache which lasted about 24 hours.

[WinnisquamZ]

Interesting talk this morning about vaccines. Visited a local business and was asked if I was vaccinated? The reason they asked this question was due to the fact many customers are asking if their staff has been vaccinated and they are unsure how to or if they should answer. Can you refuse service to someone not vaccinated? Will you not accept service from a individual not vaccinated? Do you have the right to ask someone?


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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Interesting talk this morning about vaccines. Visited a local business and was asked if I was vaccinated? The reason they asked this question was due to the fact many customers are asking if their staff has been vaccinated and they are unsure how to or if they should answer. Can you refuse service to someone not vaccinated? Will you not accept service from a individual not vaccinated? Do you have the right to ask someone?


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This is America--so as a person or a customer, you may ask another person pretty much anything. I don't think a business may ask its employees if they are vaccinated, that would be a HIPAA violation. But like many employer/employee issues, it's tough to stonewall your boss. Personally, as a customer, I'd be psyched to see a sign that said "All of our staff is vaccinated".

It's still unclear to what degree vaccines prevent vaccinated people from transmitting covid to others. But if you're vaccinated yourself, you should be able to dine at any reasonably compliant place without concern.

[WinnisquamZ]

Agree. I don’t understand ones hesitation or need to know if you yourself has been vaccinated. The risk is on the individual who hasn’t been vaccinated. We need to allow these businesses to open and be successfully once again.


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[winterh]

I have been of the opinion since shortly after this thing began that there has been a severe over reaction. That said my wife signed us up for the vaccine and we went to Loudon racetrack today to get our shots. No matter how you feel about how various levels of government have handled the lockdowns I must say they are doing a fantastic job at Loudon. Very well organized and professional, easy access, quick in and out, everyone was super nice. Quite a large operation they got going there as I understand they will do over 10,000 people this weekend. Great job!

[8gv]

SWMBO and I went to our 9am poke at the Belknap Mall in Belmont on Thursday.

We were in and out in 30 minutes including a 15 minute post shot wait time.

I felt nothing when stuck.

That night my arm was a little sore.

By Friday morning that was gone and so far I have had no ill effects.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by 8gv

SWMBO and I went to our 9am poke at the Belknap Mall in Belmont on Thursday.

We were in and out in 30 minutes including a 15 minute post shot wait time.

I felt nothing when stuck.

That night my arm was a little sore.

By Friday morning that was gone and so far I have had no ill effects.

That is terrific, but who is SWMBO? I am dense tonight.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

That is terrific, but who is SWMBO? I am dense tonight.

She Who Must Be Obeyed. Damn, does she give lessons?

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[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

She Who Must Be Obeyed. Damn, does she give lessons?

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Please sign me up!

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by winterh

I have been of the opinion since shortly after this thing began that there has been a severe over reaction. That said my wife signed us up for the vaccine and we went to Loudon racetrack today to get our shots. No matter how you feel about how various levels of government have handled the lockdowns I must say they are doing a fantastic job at Loudon. Very well organized and professional, easy access, quick in and out, everyone was super nice. Quite a large operation they got going there as I understand they will do over 10,000 people this weekend. Great job!

I also got vaccinated yesterday at Loudon. I was very impressed with the entire operation.

[SailinAway]

QUESTIONS

(1) I heard that with the Pfizer vaccine you're 80% protected within two weeks after the first shot and 95% after the second one. Johnson and Johnson is 75% protection with only one shot needed. If J&J is considered to provide enough protection, then why is a second shot of Pfizer needed?

(2) Officials were pushing J&J, saying that 75% protection is fine and you should get J&J if it's offered to you. BUT: One of the arguments for wearing a mask after you're vaccinated is that the vaccine isn't 100% protective. Doesn't that mean that Pfizer and Moderna (95% protection after second dose) IS actually more effective than J&J?

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

QUESTIONS

(1) I heard that with the Pfizer vaccine you're 80% protected within two weeks after the first shot and 95% after the second one. Johnson and Johnson is 75% protection with only one shot needed. If J&J is considered to provide enough protection, then why is a second shot of Pfizer needed?

(2) Officials were pushing J&J, saying that 75% protection is fine and you should get J&J if it's offered to you. BUT: One of the arguments for wearing a mask after you're vaccinated is that the vaccine isn't 100% protective. Doesn't that mean that Pfizer and Moderna (95% protection after second dose) IS actually more effective than J&J?

I don't know the exact answers, but

1. There is the consideration of effectiveness AND duration AND current situation. As I know it, the second shot is a booster for longevity that also increases immunity. Pair that with the current level of vaccination, and that the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines were tested with earlier variants, and it's better/necessary to have the second jab (if most/everyone's vaccinated and the vaccine works for most variants, 75% is fine...)

2. Given #1, it makes sense to offer/take the one-jab J&J because it can vaccinate twice as many people. So, a town with 40k people with 80% vaccinated at 75% effectiveness is safer than 40% of a town with 95%. Add in that J&J and Pfizer/Moderna may be closer to each other in effectiveness when including new variants, and J&J is a game-changer. I mean, it's half the shipping, storage, production, manpower, etc. costs, doesn't require crazy storage, and already has other manufacturers making it. I would be surprised if Pfizer/Moderna doesn't figure out a one-jab or that J&J becomes the only one.

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[jeffk]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

QUESTIONS

(1) I heard that with the Pfizer vaccine you're 80% protected within two weeks after the first shot and 95% after the second one. Johnson and Johnson is 75% protection with only one shot needed. If J&J is considered to provide enough protection, then why is a second shot of Pfizer needed?

(2) Officials were pushing J&J, saying that 75% protection is fine and you should get J&J if it's offered to you. BUT: One of the arguments for wearing a mask after you're vaccinated is that the vaccine isn't 100% protective. Doesn't that mean that Pfizer and Moderna (95% protection after second dose) IS actually more effective than J&J?

This is a complex question with answers based on your viewpoint. What is good for the whole population vs. the individual. The cost of the vaccine's failure. WHO is giving the advice.

I will give my opinion, for what it is worth.

Consider the risk of failure of the vaccine. COVID can be fatal across ALL age brackets. COVID can also be permanently debilitating in many ways. There was a news article about a person who required a double lung and kidney transplant after COVID. Some might consider the loss of taste and smell as trivial but when it becomes permanent, that is a different matter. There are various problems across the spectrum of the population from minor to catastrophic.

Given the above, OF COURSE 95% protection is better than 75%. Consider a rounded US population of 300 million. 5% failure of a vaccine exposes 15 million people. 25% failure exposes 60 million, an ADDITIONAL 45 MILLION. I would consider that significant and important. NO, it does NOT mean that 45 million WILL get sick or will be at risk for serious illness but more at risk means more will get sick and some of those significantly ill.

In addition, many vaccines fade in effectiveness over time. 95% may fade to 80%. 75% to 60%. It is likely that starting higher means it will last longer as well, although I don't think they have long term test results yet.

As an individual, I want the best protection I can get. Again, 95% is better than 75%. If I could get either one, I would choose 95%. The problem is, there are not enough 95% effective vaccines to pass out to everyone right now. So, an individual may not have a choice.

"Officials were pushing J&J." OF COURSE they are. First, it is being defined as "success" if everyone is vaccinated, even with a less effective vaccine. An alternative approach would be to offer J & J to younger people who might not qualify for a 95% vaccine for a few more months; just to get them vaccinated. Since the younger population is also the one that tends to be more co-mingled with others, this might be a good individual choice. HOWEVER, the government is controlling the vaccine and THEY are all about EQUITY. So, a less effective vaccine is pushed on EVERYONE, even if it isn't a medically sound approach. You don't get a choice unless you decline the vaccine all together. Now the problem of the "less effectiveness" is equitably distributed among all who are waiting for vaccinations, even those who are more likely to get sick and have more severe symptoms.

I can say that I was VERY pleased to find my wife and I were getting Moderna. I would have probably accepted J & J because I am older and have medical problems and some protection is better than none. But, I would NOT have been happy and I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A CHOICE.

As I said, my perspective. I'm sure that 40 year olds forced to accept J & J would probably not be too happy about it. Now we are all subject to the luck of the distribution even though I would have been at much higher risk for getting COVID and having significant illness from it.

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

I don't know the exact answers, but

1. There is the consideration of effectiveness AND duration AND current situation. As I know it, the second shot is a booster for longevity that also increases immunity. Pair that with the current level of vaccination, and that the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines were tested with earlier variants, and it's better/necessary to have the second jab (if most/everyone's vaccinated and the vaccine works for most variants, 75% is fine...)

2. Given #1, it makes sense to offer/take the one-jab J&J because it can vaccinate twice as many people. So, a town with 40k people with 80% vaccinated at 75% effectiveness is safer than 40% of a town with 95%. Add in that J&J and Pfizer/Moderna may be closer to each other in effectiveness when including new variants, and J&J is a game-changer. I mean, it's half the shipping, storage, production, manpower, etc. costs, doesn't require crazy storage, and already has other manufacturers making it. I would be surprised if Pfizer/Moderna doesn't figure out a one-jab or that J&J becomes the only one.

Thanks for this helpful information! Reading between the lines, I think you're saying in #2 that J&J is beneficial for society, but that doesn't necessarily make it the best choice for individuals, if they have a choice---confirmed by jeffk. Currently in NH we do have a choice, which changes the picture.

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by jeffk

This is a complex question with answers based on your viewpoint. What is good for the whole population vs. the individual. The cost of the vaccine's failure. WHO is giving the advice. . . . I can say that I was VERY pleased to find my wife and I were getting Moderna. I would have probably accepted J & J because I am older and have medical problems and some protection is better than none. But, I would NOT have been happy and I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A CHOICE.

Jeff, I agree with your take on this and that's exactly what I was asking about. I felt that both federal and state authorities were urging us to accept J&J without giving us the full facts. I understand the reasoning behind that, but people will be more receptive to government recommendations if they have honest facts about those. I did have a choice, and chose a site where I knew I would be getting Pfizer, because I didn't trust what we were being told about J&J; the information seemed incomplete. If I didn't have a choice, I would have accepted J&J.

(I just read two papers about the relationship between how the Chinese government communicated COVID-19 information to the public and the likelihood that people would comply with recommendations. How the information is presented determines whether people trust the source. Interestingly, people in China do trust government health information, which led to a high level of compliance and a quick end to the first wave last winter.)

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Thanks for this helpful information! Reading between the lines, I think you're saying in #2 that J&J is beneficial for society, but that doesn't necessarily make it the best choice for individuals, if they have a choice---confirmed by jeffk. Currently in NH we do have a choice, which changes the picture.

Don't forget the very real potential that J&J might be as effective overall when considering new variants.

In terms of choice, most people I know simply signed up when possible and, when doing so, didn't really have one. For example, when I was finding CVS pharmacies near me in MA, the only ones with openings were offering Pfizer. For J&J, I would've had to drive to the other side of 93, so I did Pfizer. If "my" place was offering J&J, I'd have gotten that.

Remember that the differences are small overall as both are close to 100% at preventing major symptoms and hospitalization.

Godspeed, friend!

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[winniplayhouse]

I think there are a significant number of people for whom being able to take the time to get two shots is prohibitive. In those cases, the one shot J&J would be preferable to no shots.

[trfour]

At 76 years old. and with underlying health conditions, after getting the OK from my blood Doctor I got both Moderna shots in the same arm with no negative side effects, last month here at the Dallas VA. Not even a sore arm.

I do like this very informative thread!

[jeffk]

Originally Posted by winniplayhouse

I think there are a significant number of people for whom being able to take the time to get two shots is prohibitive. In those cases, the one shot J&J would be preferable to no shots.

I would say those people make ill considered choices. Taking an extra couple hours to get a second shot of a more effective vaccine against a potentially lethal or crippling disease seems like the smarter decision.

Of course, it's THEIR choice. It can also be their choice to smoke, drink to excess and drive, have unprotected sex with strangers, ...

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by jeffk

I would say those people make ill considered choices. Taking an extra couple hours to get a second shot of a more effective vaccine against a potentially lethal or crippling disease seems like the smarter decision.

Of course, it's THEIR choice. It can also be their choice to smoke, drink to excess and drive, have unprotected sex with strangers, ...

There's a sizeable number of people in America that simply don't have the time, transportation, or physical ability to get even one shot. Look at the situation in MA, where they had to offer up a "companion" shot for anyone who brought a 75+ person to an injection site. In addition, they just began an in-home delivery service to accommodate 25k people who would be otherwise unable to get vaccinated.

And it's not just older or low-income people who might struggle getting in two shots. I have former students—in their teens and twenties—who will find it hard to find the time to find an appointment and get to an injection site because they go to school during the day and work or play sports every other free hour.

One of the major failures in MA is that they focused on mass vaccination areas rather than going local like NH. I would've had to drive to Gillette if CVS wasn't given doses directly from the federal government. You know who wouldn't have been able to find the time for two 4-hour drives? This guy.

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[winniplayhouse]

Originally Posted by jeffk

I would say those people make ill considered choices. Taking an extra couple hours to get a second shot of a more effective vaccine against a potentially lethal or crippling disease seems like the smarter decision.

Of course, it's THEIR choice. It can also be their choice to smoke, drink to excess and drive, have unprotected sex with strangers, ...

I would say that up in NH where the rollout has been relatively smooth, lots of appointments availabile (now), relatively little time waiting on lines, etc., that might be true. But in other parts of the country the time and effort people are taking just to make appointments is prohibitive to some people. I know people who are actually dedicating volunteer hours to signing up other people for their vaccinations because the system is so difficult to navigate and takes so much time. And then to even get shots people are travelling hours and hours, waiting for hours in line, etc. For people in those areas, I would say getting one is better than getting frustrated by the system and getting none.

That said, I'm getting mine today and truly hope I get Moderna or Pfizer. I feel fortunate that my lifestyle allows me the flexibility to plan to get both shots.

[tis]

Why can't they say which vaccine they are giving?

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by jeffk

This is a complex question with answers based on your viewpoint. What is good for the whole population vs. the individual. The cost of the vaccine's failure. WHO is giving the advice.

I will give my opinion, for what it is worth.

Consider the risk of failure of the vaccine. COVID can be fatal across ALL age brackets. COVID can also be permanently debilitating in many ways. There was a news article about a person who required a double lung and kidney transplant after COVID. Some might consider the loss of taste and smell as trivial but when it becomes permanent, that is a different matter. There are various problems across the spectrum of the population from minor to catastrophic.

Given the above, OF COURSE 95% protection is better than 75%. Consider a rounded US population of 300 million. 5% failure of a vaccine exposes 15 million people. 25% failure exposes 60 million, an ADDITIONAL 45 MILLION. I would consider that significant and important. NO, it does NOT mean that 45 million WILL get sick or will be at risk for serious illness but more at risk means more will get sick and some of those significantly ill.

In addition, many vaccines fade in effectiveness over time. 95% may fade to 80%. 75% to 60%. It is likely that starting higher means it will last longer as well, although I don't think they have long term test results yet.

As an individual, I want the best protection I can get. Again, 95% is better than 75%. If I could get either one, I would choose 95%. The problem is, there are not enough 95% effective vaccines to pass out to everyone right now. So, an individual may not have a choice.

"Officials were pushing J&J." OF COURSE they are. First, it is being defined as "success" if everyone is vaccinated, even with a less effective vaccine. An alternative approach would be to offer J & J to younger people who might not qualify for a 95% vaccine for a few more months; just to get them vaccinated. Since the younger population is also the one that tends to be more co-mingled with others, this might be a good individual choice. HOWEVER, the government is controlling the vaccine and THEY are all about EQUITY. So, a less effective vaccine is pushed on EVERYONE, even if it isn't a medically sound approach. You don't get a choice unless you decline the vaccine all together. Now the problem of the "less effectiveness" is equitably distributed among all who are waiting for vaccinations, even those who are more likely to get sick and have more severe symptoms.

I can say that I was VERY pleased to find my wife and I were getting Moderna. I would have probably accepted J & J because I am older and have medical problems and some protection is better than none. But, I would NOT have been happy and I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A CHOICE.

As I said, my perspective. I'm sure that 40 year olds forced to accept J & J would probably not be too happy about it. Now we are all subject to the luck of the distribution even though I would have been at much higher risk for getting COVID and having significant illness from it.

It’s all statistics.

You are implying J&J is inferior by looking at 1 parameter among dozens.

What if J&J was 80%, but Moderna was 70% on first shot but you were exposed before you got the 2nd shot? Which is better. Time matters a lot here.

What are the chances that a J&J is mishandled vs a Moderna (either shot)?

J&J was tested against newer strains compared to earlier vaccines.

J&J wasn’t 100% effective of preventing symptoms, but was 100% effective preventing hospitalization or death and that includes newer strains.

J&J is so good it didn’t need a booster.

J&J has less side effects. And side effects are worse after the 2nd shot. And for some those side affects are pretty harsh.

We don’t know how long the effectiveness is of any vaccine.

We don’t know how good any are against transmission.

We don’t know what the possible long term side effects are of any.

If you could fully vaccinate everyone in half the time (half the shots) and more likely reach everyone because J&J does not need such extreme handling which is society better off with?

If more people get vaccinated sooner over a wider area the odds are better you won’t get exposed to someone not vaccinated. In fact that’s what the UK exactly did. They only gave ONE shot of the early two shot vaccine so they could get more people vaccinated sooner. They were in much worse shape than USA. Now they are in much better shape and much better trends (much lower numbers and headed sharply down).

J&J is the winner here. But the other two are also winners because time is so critical and they were available months sooner.

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by winniplayhouse

I would say that up in NH where the rollout has been relatively smooth.

This may be true for some, but not for all. It took me 5 attempts to get my first shot due to system errors and wrong information from 2-1-1. I'm now registered on VINI but it has no record of my first shot and will not show any options for the second. I've spent hours on the phone with 2-1-1 etc. trying to resolve problems.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by winniplayhouse

I think there are a significant number of people for whom being able to take the time to get two shots is prohibitive. In those cases, the one shot J&J would be preferable to no shots.

Seriously? If someone does not have enough time in their life to get a second shot, that may prevent them from contracting a fatal virus, I think they need to re-examine their priorities!

I would submit that no one is that busy!

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Seriously? If someone does not have enough time in their life to get a second shot, that may prevent them from contracting a fatal virus, I think they need to re-examine their priorities!

I would submit that no one is that busy!

Well said. I bet those folks have no problem finding time to go to Walmart or the liquor store or the hair dresser or barber shop etc...

[thinkxingu]

You guys are so out-of-touch and judgmental.

There, but for the grace of God...

https://www.pewtrusts.org/research-a...vid-19-vaccine

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[DEJ]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

You guys are so out-of-touch and judgmental.
https://www.pewtrusts.org/research-a...vid-19-vaccine

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Just like you we have opinions. IMO so are you. Happy Easter.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by DEJ

Just like you we have opinions. IMO so are you. Happy Easter.

Define irony: wishing someone a Happy Easter after stereotyping and persecuting the unfortunate.

Happy Easter to you, too.

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[DEJ]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Define irony: wishing someone a Happy Easter after stereotyping and persecuting the unfortunate.

Happy Easter to you, too.

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Right back at ya, Happy Easter.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by DEJ

Just like you we have opinions. IMO so are you. Happy Easter.

It was not your opinion that the vaccine should be everybody's top scheduling priority that was ironic. That was fair game. As a person who spent 4 hours on the phone wrangling an appointment, I agree.

The ironic part was stereotyping less fortunate people as prioritizing Walmart, booze, and hair as more important than the vaccine, while simultaneously alluding to the teachings of Jesus.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by DEJ

Well said. I bet those folks have no problem finding time to go to Walmart or the liquor store or the hair dresser or barber shop etc...

Can't I get a shot at Walmart now? Certainly at Walgreen's...It's getting easier and easier.

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

It was not your opinion that the vaccine should be everybody's top scheduling priority that was ironic. That was fair game. As a person who spent 4 hours on the phone wrangling an appointment, I agree.

The ironic part was stereotyping less fortunate people as prioritizing Walmart, booze, and hair as more important than the vaccine, while simultaneously alluding to the teachings of Jesus.

No stereotyping on my part, that is your read into my post and not my intention. Happy Easter to you.

[SailinAway]

Schedule for 2nd Pfizer dose

CDC: "You should get your second shot as close to the recommended [Pfizer] 3-week or [Moderna] 4-week interval as possible. However, your second dose may be given up to 6 weeks (42 days) after the first dose, if necessary. You should not get the second dose early. ​There is currently limited information on the effectiveness of receiving your second shot earlier than recommended or later than 6 weeks after the first shot."

In Plymouth they scheduled my 2nd Pfizer dose exactly 4 weeks after the 1st dose, even though there are earlier appointments available. Walgreens was chastised by the CDC for the same practice and they stopped doing it. I wonder why the Plymouth site is doing this. I'm not saying any harm was done, I'm just wondering why they wouldn't follow the recommended interval.

[jeffk]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Schedule for 2nd Pfizer dose

CDC: "You should get your second shot as close to the recommended [Pfizer] 3-week or [Moderna] 4-week interval as possible. However, your second dose may be given up to 6 weeks (42 days) after the first dose, if necessary. You should not get the second dose early. ​There is currently limited information on the effectiveness of receiving your second shot earlier than recommended or later than 6 weeks after the first shot."

In Plymouth they scheduled my 2nd Pfizer dose exactly 4 weeks after the 1st dose, even though there are earlier appointments available. Walgreens was chastised by the CDC for the same practice and they stopped doing it. I wonder why the Plymouth site is doing this. I'm not saying any harm was done, I'm just wondering why they wouldn't follow the recommended interval.

My bet it that it is purely logistics. When they give people either Pfizer or Moderna, they schedule the 2nd shot 4 weeks out. If they didn't do this, Pfizer 2nd doses at 3 weeks would start happening at the same time as Moderna 2nd doses at 4 week intervals. They don't have the facility space or staff to do double duty. Since it doesn't seem that the time window is critical at 3 weeks, it's just a lot easier to do it this way.

[winniplayhouse]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Schedule for 2nd Pfizer dose

CDC: "You should get your second shot as close to the recommended [Pfizer] 3-week or [Moderna] 4-week interval as possible. However, your second dose may be given up to 6 weeks (42 days) after the first dose, if necessary. You should not get the second dose early. ​There is currently limited information on the effectiveness of receiving your second shot earlier than recommended or later than 6 weeks after the first shot."

In Plymouth they scheduled my 2nd Pfizer dose exactly 4 weeks after the 1st dose, even though there are earlier appointments available. Walgreens was chastised by the CDC for the same practice and they stopped doing it. I wonder why the Plymouth site is doing this. I'm not saying any harm was done, I'm just wondering why they wouldn't follow the recommended interval.

It's not just the Plymouth site. Belmont is doing it too and as far as I'm aware all the state-run sites. You can go into your VINI account and change it if you'd like. WARNING: I had a family member linked to my account and when they scheduled the second doses in Plymouth they "unlinked" us which meant when I changed my second dose appointment it did not change my family member's appointment and I had no way to access their appointment as my +1 (I can see all their personal info on my account but not their appointment info). One hour on hold with 211 later and they were able to change that appointment. It was a little annoying just because of dealing with the +1 but other than that, super easy to change the second dose to closer to 3 weeks (for Pfizer) if you would like to.

[FlyingScot]

Got my second Pfizer dose today at the Hynes in Boston. It was awesome! Something like 90 stations doing 7,000/day. Super efficient, well-run operation, including a bunch of military. From the time I entered the Pru Center parking garage (free parking!) to the time I left the 15-minute observation area, it was exactly 30 minutes. So that's only about ten minutes actual processing time at the vax site.

Highly recommended for anyone in Eastern Mass.

It was a great reminder of why we're a great country.

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by jeffk

My bet it that it is purely logistics. When they give people either Pfizer or Moderna, they schedule the 2nd shot 4 weeks out. If they didn't do this, Pfizer 2nd doses at 3 weeks would start happening at the same time as Moderna 2nd doses at 4 week intervals. They don't have the facility space or staff to do double duty. Since it doesn't seem that the time window is critical at 3 weeks, it's just a lot easier to do it this way.

That is exactly what Walgreen's claimed, and why they were reprimanded by the CDC and have now changed that practice.

[WinnisquamZ]

Happy to hear non NH residents after the 19th can schedule a vaccine here in NH. Good business perk for summer help hires and out of state residents here for the summer.


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[TiltonBB]

Sununu on Friday threw the door wide open for any eligible individual, regardless of residency, to sign up for a shot.

“New Hampshire’s vaccine rollout is moving at an incredible pace, and we are incredibly proud of the fact that our success allows the state to offer the vaccine to any person from anywhere beginning on April 19,” Sununu said in a statement. “New Hampshire is getting the job done.”

CDC data as of April 10 indicates that New Hampshire did lead the nation in the percentage of COVID-19 vaccinations administered, almost 92% of the doses received.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

This should make the summer even busier!

There’s plenty of unused vaccines in every state. No need to travel for it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...regions-resist

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[Kamper]

Covid hack:

My wife had the virus. Had a nasty reaction to her first shot (Moderna). Then had the same issues after her second shot.

While looking for something else, we found a package of left-over Lidocaine patches. She put one on her arm and felt a lot of site relief. We probably should have gotten professional advice first but did not think about it.

Anyone who hasn't been to a shooting gallery yet, might want to inquire about using this product, when they get vaccinated.

Good luck!

[TiltonBB]

I had both shots. Moderna. No reaction at all. No site soreness, nothing.

I am glad I didn't get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine!

[swnoel]

I got the first Moderna Thursday... no reaction and very little soreness in the injection site.

[erk]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

I had both shots. Moderna. No reaction at all. No site soreness, nothing.

I am glad I didn't get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine!

You're in more danger from blood clots by living a sedentary lifestyle, smoking, drinking, being overweight, being on birth control than you are from having the
J & J vaccine. Facts

[TheTimeTraveler]

Originally Posted by erk

You're in more danger from blood clots by living a sedentary lifestyle, smoking, drinking, being overweight, being on birth control than you are from having the
J & J vaccine. Facts

I could be wrong, but I don't think we have to worry about TiltonBB being on any birth control

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by erk

You're in more danger from blood clots by living a sedentary lifestyle, smoking, drinking, being overweight, being on birth control than you are from having the
J & J vaccine. Facts

Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler

I could be wrong, but I don't think we have to worry about TiltonBB being on any birth control

You would be right! But, I can't say I am not guilty of ALL of those vices. Hey, I'm no saint!