UN Agenda 21 meeting in Moultonborough tonight

[Lakesrider]

7pm at the town library. If you don't want to live in a regionalized society you owe it to yourself to go and get information. Or pretty soon you won't own your own water well, and you will be taxed on it and the money will go to other towns. Should wake some people up on what is happening in this country that most know nothing about.
Just saying.

[Just Sold]

Originally Posted by Lakesrider

7pm at the town library. If you don't want to live in a regionalized society you owe it to yourself to go and get information. Or pretty soon you won't own your own water well, and you will be taxed on it and the money will go to other towns. Should wake some people up on what is happening in this country that most know nothing about.
Just saying.

Agenda21
Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment.
Agenda 21, the Rio Declaration on Environment and Development, and the Statement of principles for the Sustainable Management of Forests were adopted by more than 178 Governments at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janerio, Brazil, 3 to 14 June 1992.
The Commission on Sustainable Development (CSD) was created in December 1992 to ensure effective follow-up of UNCED, to monitor and report on implementation of the agreements at the local, national, regional and international levels. It was agreed that a five year review of Earth Summit progress would be made in 1997 by the United Nations General Assembly meeting in special session.
The full implementation of Agenda 21, the Programme for Further Implementation of Agenda 21 and the Commitments to the Rio principles, were strongly reaffirmed at the World Summit on Sustainable Development (WSSD) held in Johannesburg, South Africa from 26 August to 4 September 2002.

[Lakegeezer]

There is a lot of hyperbole and scare tactics presented by those that use Agenda 21 as a political agenda. It does matter to the lakes region. Our environmental quality is dependent on research, education and yes - ordinances that restrict people's use of their own land. Your ability to drain or pollute a shared aquifer with your well is not a right. Your right to clear-cut or build 50 feet from state owned lake water is rightly restricted. The tea-party led folks against Agenda 21 sometimes get confused about the intent of local and state control, believing it is part of, or is a slippery slope to a UN agenda. The result is a head-wind on local efforts to protect the lakes region environment.

[AC2717]

not touching this topic with a 10 foot pole

oh crap, just touched it

[Lakesrider]

The part that scares me is the taxation of your own well. Then the money will be redistributed to poorer towns. Much like what is happening already within the school systems. Where will it stop. Soon you will have to pay a tax to breath.
And someone thinks it a good idea to let the UN determine what you do or how you do it? Not me. We already have enough gov't intervention in everything we do.

Read the whole thing....The N is telling the States what they should do. Huh?

http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/r...nda21_33.shtml

[TomC]

sort of a bad date to get any representation from seasonal/vacation property owners...

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Lakesrider

The part that scares me is the taxation of your own well. Then the money will be redistributed to poorer towns. Much like what is happening already within the school systems. Where will it stop. Soon you will have to pay a tax to breath.
And someone thinks it a good idea to let the UN determine what you do or how you do it? Not me. We already have enough gov't intervention in everything we do.

Read the whole thing....The N is telling the States what they should do. Huh?

http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/r...nda21_33.shtml

The UN can't tax your well. The UN can spend as much hot air as they want telling states what they "should" do, but it doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Is anyone in Concord talking about passing legislation that would even come close to what the UN is saying "should" be done? No? I didn't think so.

[songkrai]

A coalition of folks from the Tea Party to the John Birch Society to the Free Staters.

[jrc]

Watch out for black helicopters! It's the Illuminati here to get us! Or is it the umbrella corporation. Some people have a hard time telling where fact ends and fiction begins.

The political activities of the UN have drifted towards farce for quite awhile. An organization that equates countries just because they are contries without regard for the inherent freedom of their citizens, does not truly represent the world's peoples.

It only represents the world's ruling regimes. Only the UN believes that a Cuban dictators vote is equal to the vote of democratically elected leader of Canada.

[Billy Bob]

These are the same people that caused the OLD MAN to fall off Cannon Mountain !!!
This UN taking over the world stuff is a bit on over the edge .

[Acrossamerica]

Part of the UN what ever is the scenic highway designation which allows the town, country and state to tell you what you can and can not do with your front yard up to 80 feet back from the road. A friend just had a letter sent to them about a business sign that has been up for years, that it is now prohibited because it is in the senic highway zone. They can decide (and who knows who are the deciders) that they find your shubbery to be offensive or if you have a bunch of children and the toys take away from the scenic highway look that they can not be within 80 ft of the road. Not what I call "Live Free or Die" but --

[RailroadJoe]

What UN? Is this the United Nations in NY or some other UN?

[Slickcraft]

Originally Posted by Acrossamerica

Part of the UN what ever is the scenic highway designation which allows the town, country and state to tell you what you can and can not do with your front yard up to 80 feet back from the road. A friend just had a letter sent to them about a business sign that has been up for years, that it is now prohibited because it is in the senic highway zone. They can decide (and who knows who are the deciders) that they find your shubbery to be offensive or if you have a bunch of children and the toys take away from the scenic highway look that they can not be within 80 ft of the road. Not what I call "Live Free or Die" but --

In NH, a scenic road designation is made at the Town level and requires a vote of the Town Meeting. So if you are old enough to vote you should have seen that warrant article when it was up for vote. You and your friend also had a chance to speak against it at the Town Meeting that I'm sure you attended.

That is how democracy works thanks to all those who won our freedom and actually fought for the live free or die principal.

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Acrossamerica

Part of the UN what ever is the scenic highway designation which allows the town, country and state to tell you what you can and can not do with your front yard up to 80 feet back from the road. A friend just had a letter sent to them about a business sign that has been up for years, that it is now prohibited because it is in the senic highway zone. They can decide (and who knows who are the deciders) that they find your shubbery to be offensive or if you have a bunch of children and the toys take away from the scenic highway look that they can not be within 80 ft of the road. Not what I call "Live Free or Die" but --

The UN "what ever" does not allow the town, county or state to tell you what you can and can't do with your front yard. Period.

[Lakesrider]

Originally Posted by Acrossamerica

Part of the UN what ever is the scenic highway designation which allows the town, country and state to tell you what you can and can not do with your front yard up to 80 feet back from the road. A friend just had a letter sent to them about a business sign that has been up for years, that it is now prohibited because it is in the senic highway zone. They can decide (and who knows who are the deciders) that they find your shubbery to be offensive or if you have a bunch of children and the toys take away from the scenic highway look that they can not be within 80 ft of the road. Not what I call "Live Free or Die" but --

Like RT 109. That is a scenic byway. There are plenty of scenes of cracks in the road. Potholes and grass growing up in the middle of the road. Where else but a scenic byway in a heavily populated Summer Tourist area can you actually get air off one of the frost heaves. I mean you have to go to an amusement park and ride an old style wooden roller coaster to get more bumps and negative G's than on RT 109..... Not one deer crossing sign on that road either.....

[tis]

You are so right, Lakesrider. This is very scary. I heard all about it on a radio show last night. Rochester, NH voted against it. Good for them, they are smart!

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/

[Rusty]

I am totally against the UN telling any US citizen what they can or cannot do with their property.

When President Bush signed the UN Agenda 21 document, he proudly said this:
“It is the sacred principles enshrined in the UN Charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance.”

I am sure the American people were very surprised or perhaps totally unaware that a U.S. President would pledge allegiance to a foreign body instead of the U.S. Constitution.

[Lakesrider]

Originally Posted by TMI Guy

The UN can't tax your well. The UN can spend as much hot air as they want telling states what they "should" do, but it doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Is anyone in Concord talking about passing legislation that would even come close to what the UN is saying "should" be done? No? I didn't think so.

Well they are looking into it.....

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...12/HB1634.html

The State of NH voted against the UN Agenda 21 but it is still an issue with many other states, so it is technically still an issue with our state as well.

People that think this is a joke have their heads in the sand. There are lots of things going on that we are unaware of. I feel sorry for our next generations as it is all falling apart quickly. Even if you don;t believe in things such as Agenda 21 you need to read between the lines. If this isn't ratified by all the states there will be people using back doors to get something like it passed.

Are all these articles wrong? If everyone is fighting it...it must be a real issue.

http://nashua.patch.com/articles/letters-9de63afd

http://miscellanyblue.com/post/31536085323

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda2...lent-news.html

[tis]

Originally Posted by Lakesrider

Well they are looking into it.....

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...12/HB1634.html

The State of NH voted against the UN Agenda 21 but it is still an issue with many other states, so it is technically still an issue with our state as well.

People that think this is a joke have their heads in the sand. There are lots of things going on that we are unaware of. I feel sorry for our next generations as it is all falling apart quickly. Even if you don;t believe in things such as Agenda 21 you need to read between the lines. If this isn't ratified by all the states there will be people using back doors to get something like it passed.






http://nashua.patch.com/articles/letters-9de63afd

http://miscellanyblue.com/post/31536085323

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda2...lent-news.html

Yes, congratulations to Rochester for rejecting it! I hope Moultonboro and the other Lakes Region towns are as smart.

Did that bill pass in the state, Lakesrider, or is it just being studied?

[Lakesrider]

I believe the House rejected UN Agenda 21 back in May. I hadn't looked that up before my original post. If they did in fact reject it I wonder why they even had a meeting about it in Sept though? Like Vinny Barbarino used to say........
I'm zohoooooo confuuuuuused.

I gotta do more digging when I have time. Gotta get my new well in fast.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Lakesrider

I believe the House rejected UN Agenda 21 back in May. I hadn't looked that up before my original post. If they did in fact reject it I wonder why they even had a meeting about it in Sept though? Like Vinny Barbarino used to say........
I'm zohoooooo confuuuuuused.

I gotta do more digging when I have time. Gotta get my new well in fast.

That's what I wondered too-why have the meeting in Sept. in Rochester if the state passed a bill banning it. The person I heard talking about it last night mentioned that places in NC, CA, and Rochester, NH had all rejected it. When she said Rochester it really got my attention.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by tis

That's what I wondered too-why have the meeting in Sept. in Rochester if the state passed a bill banning it. The person I heard talking about it last night mentioned that places in NC, CA, and Rochester, NH had all rejected it. When she said Rochester it really got my attention.

NH didn't pass a Bill to ban UN Agenda 21. As TMI Guy said: The Bill is an "act to establish a committee to study procedures to prevent the implementation of UN Agenda 21".
The Bill has been sitting in the House with not action taken since early this year.

[RailroadJoe]

Why study it? Just reject it. What happened to Live Free or Die. The government tells us too much of what we can do now. I think it is time to "get the US out of the UN".

[Grandpa Redneck]

Originally Posted by RailroadJoe

Why study it? Just reject it. What happened to Live Free or Die. The government tells us too much of what we can do now. I think it is time to "get the US out of the UN".

And while we are at it get the UN out of the US!

[tis]

Originally Posted by RailroadJoe

Why study it? Just reject it. What happened to Live Free or Die. The government tells us too much of what we can do now. I think it is time to "get the US out of the UN".

Exactly, the state should reject it! That's the way I read what was posted that it was a study. I thought maybe someone knew something more recent.

And yes, get the US out of the UN and as Granpa said, get the UN out of the US.

Did anyone go to the Moultonboro meeting. BTW, what is the now correct spelling of Moultonborough-Moultonboro? Is it orough now?

[P-3 Guy]

It sounds like a lot of people who are against Agenda 21 are getting their knickers in a wad simply because they've heard that the UN is "imposing" a radical anti-American agenda on local governments, when nothing could be further from the truth. There are certain parts of Agenda 21 that clearly go against traditional American values and that probably even violate the federal and state constitutions and will never be implemented in the United States. There are other parts of Agenda 21 that are fairly main stream and are being used in many American communities without controversy. Most of Agenda 21 lies somewhere between those two extremes.

The United Nations has zero ability to impose anything on any government in the United States. Governing bodies may consider recommendations that are part of a UN report, but anything that's implemented must comply with both federal and state constitutions and presumably, must have popular support lest elected representatives find themselves out of a job after the next election.

[Lakesrider]

George Bush's quote on Agenda 21...

"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations Charter to which the American People will henceforth pledge their allegiance."

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Lakesrider

George Bush's quote on Agenda 21...

"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations Charter to which the American People will henceforth pledge their allegiance."

Context is important, as I'm sure that you know. How about providing a link to the whole speech, or quoting the whole paragraph that contains this sentence as well as the paragraphs before and after?

That quote is 20 years old. Have we been pledging our allegiance to the principles in the UN charter since then? Do you even know what the principles in the UN charter are?

Edited later to add: I don't think that George H.W. Bush ever said this. I spent a few minutes doing an internet search, and the only place that I could find these words was on wacko conspiracy theory web sites, plus a web site that lists false Bush quotes. Presidential speeches and statements are scrupulously recorded and archived. If Bush really said these words in public at the UN, or anywhere else, there would be an easily located and verifiable record of it. I could be wrong (it wouldn't be the first time), but I don't think so.

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by tis

That's what I wondered too-why have the meeting in Sept. in Rochester if the state passed a bill banning it. The person I heard talking about it last night mentioned that places in NC, CA, and Rochester, NH had all rejected it. When she said Rochester it really got my attention.

I don't think that the NH legislature "banned" anything. Local city and town councils and boards of selectmen still have the ability to regulate local land use as they (and their constituents) feel best, within extisting state law. That's good, right? From my brief look at it, the Rochester thing was a vote to reject a federal "sustainable community initiative grant," whatever that is. I guess that certain people think that such grants are some sort of communist/socialist/UN/new world order plot to subvert our American way of life.

One of the many web sites that talks about this says that American court rooms are controlled by Queen Elizabeth II of England. The proof is that the American flags in U.S. courtrooms have gold fringe around the edges, which is a symbol of maritime law, and England is a maritime nation. Really.

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Lakesrider

Well they are looking into it.....

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...12/HB1634.html

The State of NH voted against the UN Agenda 21 but it is still an issue with many other states, so it is technically still an issue with our state as well.

People that think this is a joke have their heads in the sand. There are lots of things going on that we are unaware of. I feel sorry for our next generations as it is all falling apart quickly. Even if you don;t believe in things such as Agenda 21 you need to read between the lines. If this isn't ratified by all the states there will be people using back doors to get something like it passed.

Are all these articles wrong? If everyone is fighting it...it must be a real issue.

http://nashua.patch.com/articles/letters-9de63afd

http://miscellanyblue.com/post/31536085323

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda2...lent-news.html

The "looking into it" that you point to was an act to establish a committee to study procedures to prevent the implementation of UN Agenda 21.

Are all those articles wrong? I don't know, but I do know that a conspiracy theory does not become true just because it's repeated enough times.

As I said in my earlier post, the UN can't tax your well. The New Hampshire legislature may be able to do that, but I doubt they will. Why? Because unlike at the UN, New Hampshire citizens have a say about what goes on in Concord.