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Yes, I DO Own a GFBL Boat 37 23.87%
No, I DO NOT Own a GFBL Boat 118 76.13%
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Old 08-10-2009, 11:57 AM   #1
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I realize that some people have more than one boat. But I'm seriously interested in knowing how many here own a GFBL boat. I figured I'd try to keep this one simple.

Yes, I do own a GFBL Boat

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Thinking it would be more telling if the poll were limited to people who oppose the limit.
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Thinking it would be more telling if the poll were limited to people who oppose the limit.
Regardless, figuring how many posters are actually supporters here compared to an overwhelming number of opponents, having such a small number of GFBL's on the poll speaks loudly to me. You don't have to be performance boat owner to think the speed limit is unwarranted. This is assuming that the bulk of those who responded are opponents.
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You don't have to be performance boat owner to think the speed limit is unwarranted.
Describes me perfectly, I'm not an owner and have never been in a GFBL, though I'm thinking of taking OCD up on his blanket offer for a ride next year... I bet that boat is fun when it's running.

My boat will flirt with 50, with a typical load. With a light fuel load, no biminis, cool air, non-ethanol fuel in the tank, and just me on board, it will hit 53 on the GPS.

Weighs about 6000 lbs, wet.
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I voted, but somehow I don't think all the SL supporters will believe the results.
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Thinking it would be more telling if the poll were limited to people who oppose the limit.
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Regardless, figuring how many posters are actually supporters here compared to an overwhelming number of opponents, having such a small number of GFBL's on the poll speaks loudly to me. You don't have to be performance boat owner to think the speed limit is unwarranted. This is assuming that the bulk of those who responded are opponents.
Actually, I agree with both. It would be nice to know how many people opposing the SL don't own performance boats in relation to the overall number of people that oppose the SL. Like codeman said, we sort of know there are alot of non-GFBL boat owners that actually do oppose the limit.

It may be useful at some point to know the total breakdown, i.e., GF owners that support SL's, GF owners that oppose SL's, all others that support SL's and all others that oppose SL's.
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Frankly, I thought more would vote for NO I do not.

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WOT (when running right) was 57 mph.

Average speed on my lake......... 20 to 30 mph
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"...It may be useful at some point to know the total breakdown, i.e., GF owners that support SL's, GF owners that oppose SL's, all others that support SL's and all others that oppose SL's..."
This is very telling:

1) Among my eight boats owned last year, only two—maybe three—could have broken the night limit. Are we to ignore the night limit? And only approve of a return to unlimited speeds?

2) Of those eight boats, none are what I'd call "Loud". (As in GFBL).

3) For those "Non-Loud" boats, why not set a weight limit instead? Use a "base weight" of a small GFB/GFBL?

Use the weight of a DONZI "Classic", for example?

After all, it is the combined speed and weight that can dangerously affect those lesser, but "medium-sized" boats out there.

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28' Active Thunder Savage 650 HP - Top speed (before blowing the engine 86mph)

17 Pro Line - triton 150 horse outboard - top speed 41

26 foot aqua patio 150 horse - top speed 38
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28' Active Thunder Savage 650 HP - Top speed (before blowing the engine 86mph)
Pffffffffft my car goes WAY faster than that.

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Where exactly did I "leave out" Winni?
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This is very telling:

1) Among my eight boats owned last year, only two—maybe three—could have broken the night limit. Are we to ignore the night limit? And only approve of a return to unlimited speeds? :
Must be nice to afford EIGHT boats! I'm lucky to have one!

Did I say anything about ignoring the night-time limit? No.
Did I even mention daytime or nighttime speed limits? No.

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2) Of those eight boats, none are what I'd call "Loud". (As in GFBL).

3) For those "Non-Loud" boats, why not set a weight limit instead? Use a "base weight" of a small GFB/GFBL?

Use the weight of a DONZI "Classic", for example?

After all, it is the combined speed and weight that can dangerously affect those lesser, but "medium-sized" boats out there.

(And cottages!)
First, there's already a law to handle decibel limits of ALL boats. If the state would allow a switchable exhaust, I could be quieter on the lake and I would be MORE than happy to use it early in the morning or late at night; I stated the same thing in one of the old SL threads. And before anyone get's their panties in a bunch (like they did the last time I mentioned this), I am NOT suggesting removing OR raising the current decibel limits; the current decibel limits are fine where they are and can stay there.

Why not set a weight limit? Because then you're infringing on someone's right to have a larger cruiser on the lake. A lot of people, like myself, can't afford to own shorefront property on the lake, be it "mainland" or island property. It's not just the initial purchase; it's the cost to maintain, taxes, etc. that must be paid year after year. Boat ownership of a cabin cruiser of any size can be more affordable for some people. If they're reasonably mechanically inclined, they can do a lot of maintenance themselves thereby saving money. Plus, let's face it, registering a boat and paying a slip rental fee can sometimes be alot less than paying property taxes. I'm sure you property owners can attest to that.

Also, we know that most speed boats (not just the GF boats) with a planing hull make a smaller wake than a smaller boat moving at less than planing speed. I'd rather cross the wakes created by a dozen GF boats at speed than one or two wakes of large cruisers. I've seen pontoon boats moving slower than my boat making a much larger wake than my boat when my boat's on plane; pontoon boats don't get on plane at ANY speed. Unfortunately, some owners conveniently forget the facts of the relationship between planing hulls and speed; all they want to do is drive off or ban GF boats from the lake and then they'll get to work on doing the same to the larger cruisers.

Finally, try not to nit-pick my response; I know most of you understand the generalizations I'm trying to make. Most of these points were made and debated ad nauseum in the old SL threads; look 'em up. This isn't a perfect world, it's just a forum and I'm not a professional debater.
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Finally, try not to nit-pick my response; I know most of you understand the generalizations I'm trying to make. Most of these points were made and debated ad nauseum in the old SL threads; look 'em up. This isn't a perfect world, it's just a forum and I'm not a professional debater.

You must be somewhat new here... thats what he does.. just go with it....

I agree with you 100% except.. Tri-toons do get on plane... There is not as much of transition as a normal boat, but they definately do come up on plane.

Anyone with a tritoon knows by putting all your passengers in the front can keep you from coming up onto plane. Sometimes there is as much of a difference in speed of 5-10 mph. Transferring weight makes a very big deal.

See the picture below.... (it also proves your point that pontoons can easily throw a bigger wake then what my A/T will at speed)
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Somewhat; I joined Jan 2008 and have just 127 posts.


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... thats what he does.. just go with it....
Yeah, I've noticed......that's why I thought I'd nip it in the bud!!

And thanks for that picture, that's exactly what I was thinking of! I stand corrected on the tritoon; I don't see many of them on the lake.
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Thinking it would be more telling if the poll were limited to people who oppose the limit.
I know what you mean. I suspect ELChase and others put YES in the poll
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This is very telling:

1) Among my eight boats owned last year, only two—maybe three—could have broken the night limit. Are we to ignore the night limit? And only approve of a return to unlimited speeds?

2) Of those eight boats, none are what I'd call "Loud". (As in GFBL).

3) For those "Non-Loud" boats, why not set a weight limit instead? Use a "base weight" of a small GFB/GFBL?

Use the weight of a DONZI "Classic", for example?

After all, it is the combined speed and weight that can dangerously affect those lesser, but "medium-sized" boats out there.

(And cottages!)
I'd kick sand in your face but I can't reach from here

Seriously APS, take a pill or something.

You can take a simple Yes/No question, and make everyone want to drive to the liquor store.
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I know what you mean. I suspect ELChase and others put YES in the poll
I wonder how many times he answered no..........
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I just did, and was then able to finish the thread!
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I wonder how many times he answered no..........
Gotta wonder. With some of the statements made on here by Some Of the SL supporters, one has to ask how high your rubber boots need to be by the time they get to the legislature
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"...it also proves your point that pontoons can easily throw a bigger wake then what my A/T will at speed..."
Apples to oranges: Your wake will be greater at the relatively slow speed in this photo.

(And a roostertail is not a wake).

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Somewhat; [New here] I joined Jan 2008 and have just 127 posts..."
Then you missed this post on polling of boater opinions here.

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"...You must be somewhat new here..."
Your user-name is also new here, if I'm left to guess, and missed the same post: (here).

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Where exactly did I "leave out" Winni?
The more concise questionaire should have read:

1) Yes, I do own a GFBL Boat on Lake Winnipesaukee.

2) Yes, I do own a GFBL Boat but on different waters.

3) No, I do Not own a GFBL Boat on Lake Winnipesaukee.

4) No, I do Not own a GFBL Boat but on different waters.

What validity does a poll have when it includes votes of those who boat on distant waters?

Was it a committee that drew up this poll?

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"...Must be nice to afford EIGHT boats! I'm lucky to have one...!"
Actually, I have ten boats, but these eight are on Winnipesaukee!

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"...Did I say anything about ignoring the night-time limit? No...Did I even mention daytime or nighttime speed limits? No.


1) This poll is in the Speed Limits forum.

2) Dave R is right: this poll should have been limited to SL opponents.

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"...If the state would allow a switchable exhaust, I could be quieter on the lake and I would be MORE than happy to use it early in the morning or late at night;
You don't suppose it was Winnipesaukee Cowboys who, after Midnight, "used their switchable exhaust at night"—to abuse such rights—that brought about today's restriction on what is a totally residential neighborhood?

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"...This isn't a perfect world, it's just a forum and I'm not a professional debater..."
Nobody's asking for perfection.

While an Internet poll can be defeated by a determined group, a poll does has to be reasonably concise.

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99 ProLine 190 CC w/ 135 Optimax 53kts wide open, cruise 30
I do not consider this a GFBL

Not on Winnie:
2003 20' Pontoon w/ 50 4-stroke 22mph
2006 10' RIB w/ 8hp 25kts
The other 3 are human powered, kayak, canoe and peddle


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Apples to oranges: Your wake will be greater at the relatively slow speed in this photo.

(And a roostertail is not a wake).



Then you missed this post on polling of boater opinions here.


Your user-name is also new here, if I'm left to guess, and missed the same post: (here).



The more concise questionaire should have read:

1) Yes, I do own a GFBL Boat on Lake Winnipesaukee.

2) Yes, I do own a GFBL Boat but on different waters.

3) No, I do Not own a GFBL Boat on Lake Winnipesaukee.

4) No, I do Not own a GFBL Boat but on different waters.

What validity does a poll have when it includes votes of those who boat on distant waters?

Was it a committee that drew up this poll?


Actually, I have ten boats, but these eight are on Winnipesaukee!




1) This poll is in the Speed Limits forum.

2) Dave R is right: this poll should have been limited to SL opponents.


You don't suppose it was Winnipesaukee Cowboys who, after Midnight, "used their switchable exhaust at night"—to abuse such rights—that brought about today's restriction on what is a totally residential neighborhood?


Nobody's asking for perfection.

While an Internet poll can be defeated by a determined group, a poll does has to be reasonably concise.

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Who's screwing up my poll?

It was a simple question too. As are many I ask.
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Vt why even bother reading APS posts? I always skip them it saves on Aspirin, Booze and other medications. Seriously I'd put APS on ignore but I'd miss out on the pure entertainment value. Don't lose any sleep over it.
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I know what you mean. I suspect ELChase and others put YES in the poll
So this poll expected "NO" votes should dominate?

A poll shouldn't anticipate, nor encourage, an outcome.

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"...Vt why even bother reading APS posts...?"
This poll can't stop world-wide participation. (The situation I'd previously linked to).

For the Speed Limits forum, I would've thought there might be a more-meaningful poll of, say, Rattlesnake Islanders for a narrow "Unrestricted Speed Zone" off their shore. There was an equivalent zone there, and is described on these pages here. Just like before, the "Unsafe Passage" regulation would be waived. It's deep there, and that shore already discourages small boaters due to wakes and what Mother Nature already throws against its shore. I can't say I've ever seen a kayak there. Nobody else goes there.

Rattlesnake Islanders at this forum are already self-documented, speed-enthused, and would participate. It would exclude world-wide participation.

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These words of mine are only opinions: I haven't voted.

Some are apologizing for their undocumented sub-45 speeds—where's the definition of GFBL?
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In the spirit of what may very well be the first great weekend of this "summer". I'm taking a 40 mile jaunt across the lake to NY and having a great time on the water. Winds were forecast to be 5 knots, but they're 12 already. So this won't be a quick ride in my non GF boat.

El mentioned safety and Bonehead in the same post. My job is done
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I would love to vote but don't know what a GFBL boat is. Can somebody tell me what this stands for?
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How's this for a definition of a GFBL?

"Any boater who is driving faster than the posted limit, conditions considered, and/or having an exhaust that is in violation."


As most everyone knows by now, GFBL is an acronym for Go Fast - Be Loud. So, it is a reference to the person driving the boat as opposed to any one type, style or design of a boat.

Going 45mph in a boat is hardly a slow speed for a boat. For most, all boats it is a very fast speed.
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I would love to vote but don't know what a GFBL boat is. Can somebody tell me what this stands for?
Absolutely. Go Fast Be Loud. There are some GFBS boats around, which is a little silly.

Today, we traveled around 75 miles or more round trip. Some light winds to start with, followed by wallowing of cruiser wakes home.

We were bouncing a bit and going around 23 mph or so, just slow enough to not break a rib or two. A 42' Fountain went by us, bimini up, doing around 40 or more. The waves didn't really impact him, he looked quite comfy. Not that loud a boat, probably had some mufflers. I made it back to port about 40 minutes behind him. There were about 10 more of them, a couple of Cigs, a 29 Baja Islander BR, some others. A couple were too loud for my taste, and all of them were cruising at 50 to 60, mostly at the lower end.

That's what a GF boat does. They really should rename the style to CFIC Cruise Fast In Comfort. That's what I'd like. It's really not how fast your boat can go, but how fast it can cruise comfortably. The first time I wanted a fast cruiser was about 30 years ago on Winni. Curse those cruiser wallows on weekends, or just get something more comfy
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