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Old 07-29-2014, 02:34 PM   #1
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WOW! All the MP bashers on this forum will LOVE this!
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not criticism yet:
why is a new facility even needed at this time? my honest question as I have never been to the facility
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Prior to MP, Goodhue Boat Yard was on this site. It burned in the 50's (1957?) and Goodhue built this new building. They sold it to the State of NH some years later. The hangar style building behind it is even older. That may be part of the reference to acquiring adjacent land. In any event, the current HQ building is 65 years old, and I have heard it is settling a little more each year.

The state built a new courthouse in my town (2009-2010), anticipating a cost of $7MM, and expecting 2-3 bidders. They got 13 bids and closed the deal for about $4MM. Recession! Don't bash the numbers until they are firm.
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Prior to MP, Goodhue Boat Yard was on this site. It burned in the 50's (1957?) and Goodhue built this new building. They sold it to the State of NH some years later. The hangar style building behind it is even older. That may be part of the reference to acquiring adjacent land. In any event, the current HQ building is 65 years old, and I have heard it is settling a little more each year.
The above info is correct. The land was filled in, one of the reason the building is settled. Also the building was originally built as a one story building and additional story was added later.

The hanger style building was built by my dad and uncle back in 1950 for Goodhue. The materials were war surplus and was built to minimum standards. My uncle is surprise it is still standing!
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If you pay taxes in the state you should be able to voice your opinion of the project.
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oh please.....do people really need to start the tax bs all over again. Residents vote and non residents do not vote in NH just like every other state in the US.
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oh please.....do people really need to start the tax bs all over again. Residents vote and non residents do not vote in NH just like every other state in the US.
what makes you think I Was talking about non residents? lighten up try decaf
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Every none profit business/organization seems to have plenty of money to build what ever they want. Schools, churches, prisons, and now a mansion for the NH Marine Patrol.

Also have you ever been into some of these Insurance business buildings? Talk about plush and plenty of money spent on things like cafeterias, gyms, baby sitting rooms, etc. Why not cut our premiums and get rid of some of these luxuries.

And who pays for all this CRAP... why you and I do.

This country is out of control with spending tax payers money.
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really? If you are a resident then you can voice your opinion by your vote and talking with your rep...and you should do so.
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What happened to all of those running for office that claim that they will cut waste, fraud, and abuse?

Ah . . . when it comes to the authorities . . . money seems to be no object.

Are they asking for jail cells too?
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What happened to all of those running for office that claim that they will cut waste, fraud, and abuse?

Ah . . . when it comes to the authorities . . . money seems to be no object.

Are they asking for jail cells too?
According to the "CONSTRUCTION MANAGER SELECTION" , they are going to have a "secure booking area". I would say that they means a "Jail"...it's just a fancy way of wording it.

Here is the scope of the work:
"The scope of work includes working in all phases of design in
coordination with an A/E Design Consultant and the State of New Hampshire. The scope of
work includes construction of a new 26,000 SF facility, with on-site parking, which will include:
office space for Marine Patrol (sworn/ civilian); secure booking area; storage facility; mechanics
shop; ADA accessible boating education classrooms; boat registration and administration
functions. The State is reviewing land acquisition options of adjacent properties for additional
on-site parking. The life expectancy for this project is 50 years. The available funds for
construction are $7,800,000.00."
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I am a non-resident, lakefront property owner, so I have no vote here. However, I believe this is needed and I support this move.

The present MP HQ facility does not support what is needed. We need a professional MP on the lake and I believe this is a step towards that end.

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I am a non-resident, lakefront property owner, so I have no vote here. However, I believe this is needed and I support this move.

The present MP HQ facility does not support what is needed. We need a professional MP on the lake and I believe this is a step towards that end.

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The existing MP personnel aren't "professional" now? How will a new building make them more professional?

How about more MP staff to get some of the boneheads during the tourist season.
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I don't know first hand but it's not hard to believe that the current facility is outdated and beyond renovation.

Still why do things like "office space for Marine Patrol (sworn/ civilian); secure booking area; storage facility; mechanics shop; ADA accessible boating education classrooms; boat registration and administration functions." need to be in a waterfront location?

Why not just leave the boat shop and docks there and build or buy a plain vanilla office building on cheap Gilford or Laconia land. Return that lake front land to the people of NH. Either sell it to the town, a private interest or develop it for recreational use.
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I don't know if they need a new building or not because I have never been inside it, but I know that all these gov. entities think they need the taj mahal. They don't care that the average joe has to work very hard for them to have their palaces. I know a lot of it is rules and regs, but I think they overdo a lot.
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Every none profit business/organization seems to have plenty of money to build what ever they want. Schools, churches, prisons, and now a mansion for the NH Marine Patrol.

Also have you ever been into some of these Insurance business buildings? Talk about plush and plenty of money spent on things like cafeterias, gyms, baby sitting rooms, etc. Why not cut our premiums and get rid of some of these luxuries.

And who pays for all this CRAP... why you and I do.

This country is out of control with spending tax payers money.
Insurance companies are not government entities. They are private businesses and are free to make as much money as they can, just like any other business.

But that has nothing to do with this thread.
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I am a non-resident, lakefront property owner, so I have no vote here. However, I believe this is needed and I support this move.

The present MP HQ facility does not support what is needed. We need a professional MP on the lake and I believe this is a step towards that end.

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Agreed. I support a new, modern MP facility. I wonder how much of the revenue needed will come from federal grants.
No sense in worrying about something I can't control.
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WOW! All the MP bashers on this forum will LOVE this!
Hopefully they save some space to be used for training of the MP. It seems like they need more of it.
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I haven't seen plans for the new building but I can tell you that the current building is seriously compromised. There are structural cracks that have reached a point where walls are separating at corners. There are also launching and retrieval needs that must be addressed. So again, while I can't speak to what the new building will be, I can say they certainly cannot remain in the one that they have.
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Based on what I have read here and other places, I do not doubt that a new building is needed. I also wish the Marine Patrol could be more active on our lake and in general.

Having said that, $7+M seems like a lot of money. I've seen some pretty impressive homes built for $1M. What is driving the cost so high?
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Based on what I have read here and other places, I do not doubt that a new building is needed. I also wish the Marine Patrol could be more active on our lake and in general.

Having said that, $7+M seems like a lot of money. I've seen some pretty impressive homes built for $1M. What is driving the cost so high?
agree here seems like they need a new building but why did they buy so high knowing this? why cant it be done for a 1/3 of the costs?

they building million dollar intricate homes, and yet this is an office type space with technology just like any other office building space
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The building isn't just used for office space. They service their own boats. I would wonder if there are costs associated with chemical containment / storage of costs associated with the demo and clean up of the old building. I also wonder if some of the cost might be related to purchasing adjacent land for parking.
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office type space and storage space but that is even less intricate
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Since it will be on 'the same site,' where will the MPHQ be situated during the work in progress?
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The life expectancy for this project is 50 years. The available funds for
construction are $7,800,000.00

Hmm 7.8M for 50 years comes out at a cool 156K per year, now that's a bargain
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Do we know what the current breakdown is of sworn/civilian MPs? I know it used to be a heavily seasonal force. Has that changed? Do all MP's have full arrest authority? Has there ever been talk of merging with State Police?
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Do we know ... ?
I had the impression the MP became part of the SP last year. I'm not certain though. At any rate I believe the transition is in the works.

By "Civilian MP" do you mean the NHMP auxiliary? They do not have arrest/citation powers. They can only 'suggest." However if they observe you making a serious infraction they have the same right to file a complaint as any citizen and are likely to be considered a credible witness by the legal system.
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Agreed. I support a new, modern MP facility. I wonder how much of the revenue needed will come from federal grants.
No sense in worrying about something I can't control.
I say put in tolls on the exits in Merrimack to help pay for it
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Well as I've been told, we don't have enough manpower. So lets build a $7.8 building that a few employees can run in. Makes no sense.

I hope it's pretty because I'll be looking at it.

The couple who purchased that mobile home park and put up a private residence behind it are going to be in for a surprise.

p.s. I'm surprised the industrial building is standing and that people actually store their boats there during the winter.

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Unfortunately, it is similar to the belief that if a town builds a bright new shiny school that the kids will be smarter because of it.

As PBFF stated, there is nothing we can do about it but embrace it.

I have called marine patrol on occasion regarding the zippy wake makers and the typical response . . . "sorry maam, we just don't have the staff." Watching the boats just sit at the dock is as painful as looking at the mansions that aren't occupied.

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The present MP HQ facility does not support what is needed. We need a professional MP on the lake and I believe this is a step towards that end.

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This is what I don't understand. If we don't have the money for enough officers how in the world can we afford an expensive new building.

Unfortunately, this happens a lot. We have a wonderful new building in a town but not enough staff. Which is more important? I know what is more important to me!!

I have nothing against MP, I just wonder why they need to spend that much, just as I often wonder why the towns needs such extravagant buildings. As Mish says, a school doesn't make a kid smarter, the teachers could teach the kids outside and they would learn. It's not the building!
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Why not just leave the boat shop and docks there and build or buy a plain vanilla office building on cheap Gilford or Laconia land. Return that lake front land to the people of NH. Either sell it to the town, a private interest or develop it for recreational use.
If your boat was sinking, would you like to wait an extra 20 minutes for MP to get the call, get in their vehicle, drive the distance, get in the boat, then respond to your emergency call?
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... would you like to wait an extra 20 minutes ... ?
Except when the weather is too dangerous, there are MP on the lake 24/7 during the season. But I mostly agree with you. The extra transit time from the station to the docks would mean less time on the water. The possibility for vandalism also exists when there aren't "eyes" in the area, even with cameras.
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The Dept. of Safety also has a large building nearby on Rt. 106. I've seen trailered MP boats there and assumed it was used for boat maintenance and storage. There also seems to be office space in the front.

Does anyone know more about how this building is used?

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I can't imagine that ever being a problem, KPW. They will always have (and need) space ON the lake for the boats. It's just do they need an eight million dollar facility?
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By "Civilian MP" do you mean the NHMP auxiliary? They do not have arrest/citation powers. They can only 'suggest." However if they observe you making a serious infraction they have the same right to file a complaint as any citizen and are likely to be considered a credible witness by the legal system.
I'll be honest, I am not sure what I mean. I just saw that in the scope of work and it got me wondering. I was curious if "civilian" meant the part timers (seasonal) who do have ticket authority, but, for example, do not carry weapons and the "sworn" meant full time sworn police officers. Again, not really sure the difference, but it stuck out to me in reading the scope of work.
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Building a house for $1MM is a lot different than constructing a "public" building that must have sprinklers, be ADA compliant, elevators, etc. Probably the house has eight foot ceilings and spans of 12-14 feet. Driving trucks and trailers through the building requires greater spans, and weight bearing capacity. Can you hoist a 10,000 lb boat from that household ceiling? What happens to the floor when you drop a V-8 engine on it? Does it sag when you put a couple of engines in the same room? It's just not close to being the same thing.

I believe the training folks operate out of Belmont, so there are offices and classrooms there. Dispatch and other functions moved to Concord when the MP merged into SP.

If you want more MP, they need the support structures, room, repair shops.. You can still support them by checking the block that says donate all or part of my gas tax refund to the Navigation Safety Fund. It's a tax-deductible donation.

I think it is premature to assume that $7.8MM will be spent. Wait until the bids come in. The $$ cannot be moved to other purposes, so they can't just "spend it because it is there."
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"Civilian" in an article or report, probably referred to non-sworn staff like mechanics, dispatchers and administrative personnel.
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If your boat was sinking, would you like to wait an extra 20 minutes for MP to get the call, get in their vehicle, drive the distance, get in the boat, then respond to your emergency call?
There are a hundreds of other lakes in NH and they don't have an MP office building on the shore. The MP is always on patrol on the big lake and their dock would still allow this. The on-duty officers would start their shift when they arrived at their boat, no loss of water time.

There is no practical reason to build the clerical functions of the MP on the waterfront.

Let's face it, the number one goal of government is to use taxes to buy votes. $7.8 million buys a lot of votes.
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The Government at work. New building with a life expectancy of 50 years. Planned obsolescence before it is even built. There are private residences on the lake older and still functional and will be for more than 50 more years to come. The Government is the only disorganized entity with that proverbial MONEY TREE. These seems a bit extreme for a facility that functions from May to October. I wonder how the residents of Gilford feel about this project? Would the money be better spent incorporating it with Gilford PD or GFD and be used year round. I don't know but seems a waist for a seasonal entity.
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I'll be honest, I am not sure what I mean. I just saw that in the scope of work and it got me wondering. I was curious if "civilian" meant the part timers (seasonal) who do have ticket authority, but, for example, do not carry weapons and the "sworn" meant full time sworn police officers. Again, not really sure the difference, but it stuck out to me in reading the scope of work.
I was told last year that Marine Patrol employee's were part of the NH state police and they all carried weapons. I am not sure if this is accurate or not.
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I was told last year that Marine Patrol employee's were part of the NH state police and they all carried weapons. I am not sure if this is accurate or not.
In fact, wasn't that posted on this forum?
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Current HQ are failing. This project has been in the works for the past 3yrs +. Money has been allocated as well as federal grants I'm sure. Commercial buildings have a different set of specs for building than residential. And yes everything is now figured out with life expectancy. The 7.8 million is a budget. My guess is bids will come in lower, then generally do all depends on materials being used etc. and yes the budget is for all work, which includes demo and removal of the existing HQ. All things have a life expectancy, look at all the roads and bridges that were built no more than 50 yrs ago. Everything has a timeline. There will always be people that don't agree with spending money for something that has outlived its useful life. Renovating the current building is not an option due to the type of construction that is there (prestressed concrete panels and block) believe me when I say they need a new building.
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Hey, web, in that picture at the top of this thread, I was trying to imagine what part of the lake the pic is showing. The island arrangements don't look right. My best guess is it's from above Center Harbor, looking south. That's the only thing that makes any sense in the foreground. Perhaps the screwy placements of the islands further out is from camera distortion. Any other thoughts?
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7.8M is a big number, but a drop in the bucket if compared to amount of $$ this country gives away.
It sounds a little like 'Live free or Die' has has evolved into 'pay for it so stick around awhile' the gov. from the other 49 states is leaking in.

I would like to look at it as if 'they' are going to spend this much on a building to help police the lake, how much are they going to invest to preserve the lake.

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I was told last year that Marine Patrol employee's were part of the NH state police and they all carried weapons. I am not sure if this is accurate or not.
I asked Tim Dunleavy that question at a talk he gave at the Belknap County Sportsmens Club this past spring and he stated that all MP officers are now armed. The Marine Patrol is now part of the NH Division of State Police under the Department of Safety.
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Hey, web, in that picture at the top of this thread, I was trying to imagine what part of the lake the pic is showing. The island arrangements don't look right. My best guess is it's from above Center Harbor, looking south. That's the only thing that makes any sense in the foreground. Perhaps the screwy placements of the islands further out is from camera distortion. Any other thoughts?
Yes, Center Harbor looking south-east down the Broads. Black Cat, Three Mile and the Beavers are visible left to right, with Bear further down through the Three Mile-Beaver passage.
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Talk about out of control spending.. they can not even man the boats they have now! This is all to make our precious time on the lake more enjoyable
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I don't know first hand but it's not hard to believe that the current facility is outdated and beyond renovation.

Still why do things like "office space for Marine Patrol (sworn/ civilian); secure booking area; storage facility; mechanics shop; ADA accessible boating education classrooms; boat registration and administration functions." need to be in a waterfront location?

Why not just leave the boat shop and docks there and build or buy a plain vanilla office building on cheap Gilford or Laconia land. Return that lake front land to the people of NH. Either sell it to the town, a private interest or develop it for recreational use.
Just a quick question what is the breakdown of personnel whi will be house in the new facility?
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My guess is that most of you who post negative comments about your local government and who are quick to comment about how nothing is right with how your community leaders are doing things with "your money" have never volunteered for an advisory board or attended a public meeting. You spend more time on these forums spreading misinformation and poison than you've ever spent walking to your car and driving to community meetings. It should be a requirement that you attend at least one open meeting regarding anything at all related to how your government operates before you are allowed to post a remark.

Thank God for the men and women of the Marine Patrol and praise them for how well they operate with such a limited budget and let's hope the Coast Guard never gets jurisdiction of this lake.
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My guess is that most of you who post negative comments about your local government and who are quick to comment about how nothing is right with how your community leaders are doing things with "your money" have never volunteered for an advisory board or attended a public meeting. You spend more time on these forums spreading misinformation and poison than you've ever spent walking to your car and driving to community meetings. It should be a requirement that you attend at least one open meeting regarding anything at all related to how your government operates before you are allowed to post a remark.



Thank God for the men and women of the Marine Patrol and praise them for how well they operate with such a limited budget and let's hope the Coast Guard never gets jurisdiction of this lake.

Isn't a personal opinion and being able to voice it the basis of our democracy? I've been on Town Meeting and a steering committee. Why should my opinion be worth any more or less than my neighbor's?
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My guess is that most of you who post negative comments about your local government and who are quick to comment about how nothing is right with how your community leaders are doing things with "your money" have never volunteered for an advisory board or attended a public meeting. You spend more time on these forums spreading misinformation and poison than you've ever spent walking to your car and driving to community meetings. It should be a requirement that you attend at least one open meeting regarding anything at all related to how your government operates before you are allowed to post a remark.

Thank God for the men and women of the Marine Patrol and praise them for how well they operate with such a limited budget and let's hope the Coast Guard never gets jurisdiction of this lake.
Can you give me an example of the "misinformation" and "poison" that someone has posted on this thread. Start with the webmaster comment that started this topic.
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Isn't a personal opinion and being able to voice it the basis of our democracy? I've been on Town Meeting and a steering committee. Why should my opinion be worth any more or less than my neighbor's?
No, it's not that simple--citizens in a democracy have a responsibility to participate in that democracy. Criticism without participation (and, I daresay, apathy) is the very antithesis of democracy.
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No, it's not that simple--citizens in a democracy have a responsibility to participate in that democracy. Criticism without participation (and, I daresay, apathy) is the very antithesis of democracy.

It actually is that simple. The First Amendment guarantees that. And Participation comes in many forms including voicing your opinion in places like this forum, voting and volunteering.
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It actually is that simple. The First Amendment guarantees that. And Participation comes in many forms including voicing your opinion in places like this forum, voting and volunteering.
No, you're getting the freedom of speech and democracy confused. The first amendment protects your, and others', rights to criticize, but democracy cannot work by criticism alone.

If people here have issues with the construction of a new MP headquarters, they are free to complain, but it's useless to the larger picture unless they're going to get involved. And uninvolved complainers are annoying. I think that was the original point.
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No, you're getting the freedom of speech and democracy confused. The first amendment protects your, and others', rights to criticize, but democracy cannot work by criticism alone.

If people here have issues with the construction of a new MP headquarters, they are free to complain, but it's useless to the larger picture unless they're going to get involved. And uninvolved complainers are annoying. I think that was the original point.

I'm not confused at all. Free speech is a product of a functioning democracy. What you view as complaining is actually someone voicing his/her opinion.

When I was on Town Meeting I got comments just like the one above from people in my precinct, especially during the annual town budget. I chose not to see them as "uninvolved complainers" but as tax paying townspeople with every right to their opinion. I would never discount feedback or an unsolicited opinion. Being able to listen to viewpoints other than mine is essential to the committees I am and have been on.
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It actually is that simple. The First Amendment guarantees that. And Participation comes in many forms including voicing your opinion in places like this forum, voting and volunteering.
This discussion is a little off topic but I believe that the 1st Amendment only protects you from the government limiting speech ("Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech"). Although a forum like this gives you plenty of opportunity to speak freely it is not protected by the 1st Amendment unless Congress tried to make a law limiting it. As the site operator I could limit your speech here all I want to. Newpapers can publish or not publish anything they want and if someone tried to tell you their opinion on the street corner you could tell them to "shut up" and they'd have no Constitutional right to speak.

We all believe in free speech but don't get carried away with what is protected by the 1st Amendment.
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That price is peanuts to what some think their property on the lake is worth! This is easily fixed by increasing the taxes on all waterfront homes in NH... 40% increase and wha..la, paid for!
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That price is peanuts to what some think their property on the lake is worth! This is easily fixed by increasing the taxes on all waterfront homes in NH... 40% increase and wha..la, paid for!
Obviously, you don't own waterfront, one of the lets tax others for your own benefit crowd, uuuggggghhhh
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Yes, everyone has an opinion. But here are some things to ponder.

Since the existing building is old, and sinking, something has to be done. Some people have speculated about why the facility needs to be on the water. There are numerous reasons.

1. When a significant incident occurs on the lake (major boating accident, plane crash etc.) supervisors can leave their offices, jump in a boat, and respond immediately.

2. When there is an arrest the prisoner can be transported, booked, and held for court without involving other departments.

3. When a Marine Patrol officer has any mechanical issues with his assigned boat he can return to the office and change boats.

4. Marine Patrol officers reporting for their shift can start immediately rather than have to drive (on the payroll) to a different location to get in a boat.

5. Repairs to the boats can happen on site without a need to pull them out of the water to trailer them elsewhere, adding unnecessary expense.

6. Morale and professionalism will increase when they work out of a state of the art facility that they can be proud of.

7. Citizens will find it convenient to visit when any need arises. I know that has happened to me in the past when I got a warning for a burned out stern light and the ticket was written so that by appearing at the Marine Patrol office and showing the repair the citation was waived.

I am sure that there are other reasons, but this facility needs to be built and the waterfront is the right place for it.
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I spent a lot of time on the lake this summer and hardly every saw the Marine Patrol out on the water. When I would go past the MP HQ .... all the boats sitting on the dock. I was cut off, passed too close just about every time I drove my boat around the Weirs/Meredith area... never MP around. They did stop over at Advent cove to "double check" that I was properly rafting my boat (I was).

Is their mission to show up at an accident and take a report? If that is the case, I don't think they need new HQ.
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I didn't reread this entire thread, so I apologize if this is already in here. But.....

Is there a vacation planning board (of sorts) that may possibly have some insight as to future planning of the 'Lakes Region'. If future refurbishing of areas around the lake are in the works, it makes sense to have phase A be preparing the policing force first prior to larger crowds, and then trying to play catch up. Larger summer or winter events could play a role.

I'm speculating, and hoping many areas that are complained about get the attention they need.

I too, don't always agree with out of control tax dollar spending, so hoping this project improves the area is all I can hope for.
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I didn't reread this entire thread, so I apologize if this is already in here. But.....

Is there a vacation planning board (of sorts) that may possibly have some insight as to future planning of the 'Lakes Region'. If future refurbishing of areas around the lake are in the works, it makes sense to have phase A be preparing the policing force first prior to larger crowds, and then trying to play catch up. Larger summer or winter events could play a role.

I'm speculating, and hoping many areas that are complained about get the attention they need.

I too, don't always agree with out of control tax dollar spending, so hoping this project improves the area is all I can hope for.
I think you will find that there is no local, state or county organization that holds much sway over tourism or master planning. Most of the maintenance and funding seems to be by the towns and spending will vary based on their tax base.
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Just a clarification for anyone thinking their tax dollars are paying for the new Marine Patrol building. According to the Governor and Council approval, funding is from the Navigational Safety Fund. This fund is made up from registration fees from boats that must be registered. While some of you will say it is still the taxpayer that carries the burden...I agree, but only if you register a boat.

Interesting fact...this fund is a revolving, dedicated fund that had a several million dollar balance under Dave Barrett who worked to save for the purpose of a new building. Then along came Speaker Bill O'Brien and his followers who took the funds and applied it to the general fund as revenues. So...if you want to talk about unfair taxes...did you know the boaters paid an unfair amount to the general fund that others didn't have to?

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Just a clarification for anyone thinking their tax dollars are paying for the new Marine Patrol building. According to the Governor and Council approval, funding is from the Navigational Safety Fund. This fund is made up from registration fees from boats that must be registered. While some of you will say it is still the taxpayer that carries the burden...I agree, but only if you register a boat.

Interesting fact...this fund is a revolving, dedicated fund that had a several million dollar balance under Dave Barrett who worked to save for the purpose of a new building. Then along came Speaker Bill O'Brien and his followers who took the funds and applied it to the general fund as revenues. So...if you want to talk about unfair taxes...did you know the boaters paid an unfair amount to the general fund that others didn't have to?

Just some facts to consider.
Thanks, I think(?).

It's great to hear Mr. Barrett had a plan and stuck to it, making this undertaking possible ! Mr. O'Brien on the other hand, hopefully a guy like this has achieved something positive on his own without repeatedly stealing from Peter to fund Paul.

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Although I am in favor of a new facility for the MP, I am curious if anyone here knows what the impact or lack thereof will be for those who put in at the town docks while the project is underway?
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I think some closer inspection will show that aker Terri Norelli and her crew raided the various dedicated funds, including the rainy day fund, and that by the time Bill O'Brien was Speaker, the money was all gone. I don't usually like political stuff on this forum, but if you're going to post this stuff, perhaps it should be a separate thread and should have some specifics, like dates. and bill numbers.
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From the meeting I was in, there should be little to no impact at the town docks, that may have changed from 3 months ago, but the state is being very conscious of the summer time residents. Again that was 3 months ago at the meeting. They also wanted demo and pile/sheet driving done before residents started arriving for the spring/summer however I can tell you for a fact demo will not be starting when they originally wanted it to, due delays with the paper work end of it.....hope this helps
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From the meeting I was in, there should be little to no impact at the town docks, that may have changed from 3 months ago, but the state is being very conscious of the summer time residents. Again that was 3 months ago at the meeting. They also wanted demo and pile/sheet driving done before residents started arriving for the spring/summer however I can tell you for a fact demo will not be starting when they originally wanted it to, due delays with the paper work end of it.....hope this helps

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I think some closer inspection will show that aker Terri Norelli and her crew raided the various dedicated funds, including the rainy day fund, and that by the time Bill O'Brien was Speaker, the money was all gone. I don't usually like political stuff on this forum, but if you're going to post this stuff, perhaps it should be a separate thread and should have some specifics, like dates. and bill numbers.
224:220 Navigation Safety Fund. Amend RSA 270-E:6-a to read as follows:

270-E:6-a Navigation Safety Fund. There is established the navigation safety fund which shall be [nonlapsing and] continually appropriated to the department of safety, division of [safety services] state police. The state treasurer may invest moneys in the fund as provided by law and all interest received on such investment shall be credited to the fund. The fund shall only be used to promote the safety of navigation and the administration and enforcement of RSA 270, RSA 270-B, RSA 270-D, and RSA 270-E. Any balance remaining in the navigation safety fund at the close of each fiscal year shall lapse to the general fund.

Items in brackets were deleted from the statute's language upon passage.

I believe Speaker O'Brien's rule was 2010-2012.
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224:220 Navigation Safety Fund. Amend RSA 270-E:6-a to read as follows:

270-E:6-a Navigation Safety Fund. There is established the navigation safety fund which shall be [nonlapsing and] continually appropriated to the department of safety, division of [safety services] state police. The state treasurer may invest moneys in the fund as provided by law and all interest received on such investment shall be credited to the fund. The fund shall only be used to promote the safety of navigation and the administration and enforcement of RSA 270, RSA 270-B, RSA 270-D, and RSA 270-E. Any balance remaining in the navigation safety fund at the close of each fiscal year shall lapse to the general fund.

Items in brackets were deleted from the statute's language upon passage.

I believe Speaker O'Brien's rule was 2010-2012.
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The relevant language in this legislation is below. It can be found approximately 2/3 of the way through the document.

"224:220 Navigation Safety Fund. Amend RSA 270-E:6-a to read as follows:

270-E:6-a Navigation Safety Fund. There is established the navigation safety fund which shall be [nonlapsing and] continually appropriated to the department of safety, division of [safety services] state police. The state treasurer may invest moneys in the fund as provided by law and all interest received on such investment shall be credited to the fund. The fund shall only be used to promote the safety of navigation and the administration and enforcement of RSA 270, RSA 270-B, RSA 270-D, and RSA 270-E. Any balance remaining in the navigation safety fund at the close of each fiscal year shall lapse to the general fund."
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Default ..... Ellecoya Community Sailing facility

A new home for the Marine Patrol, in an architect designed, single purpose, waterfront building that can be used for the next hundred years is a great improvement. Just take a look at the Town of Meredith's Police Dept, Fire Dept, and Community Center; all super-duper, public town buildings that totally improve the Town of Meredith....big-time!

You do not see any 268-unit storage businesses being proposed on a Route 3 vacant lot in Meredith....now do you......which is the very ugly, imminent storage case in the Weirs.........too ugly bad for the Weirs!

Wouldn't it be nice if the State of NH changed its mind, and agreed to build a new community sailing building facility on the beautifull stretch of un-developed sandy beach that fronts on Lake Winnipesaukee at the Ellecoya State Park-RV Campground. That proposed community sailing center there at Ellecoya should be re-visited once the legislature wakes up and figures a way to power up the state's parks and recreation facilities.
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Rep. Dave Huot propose to shoot down O'Brien grab from the Navigation fund last year. Only to be oppose by O'Brien and declared ITL (Inexpedient to Legislate) Huot had the backing of the NH Marine Industry and SBONH.

Now that O'Brien is out of the way Marine Patrol was able to move forward with this proposal. Problem is most of the money is gone and bonds will need to be issued.

I think Rep. Huot should once more reestablished the navigation fund now that O'Brien lost power.
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A new home for the Marine Patrol, in an architect designed, single purpose, waterfront building that can be used for the next hundred years is a great improvement. Just take a look at the Town of Meredith's Police Dept, Fire Dept, and Community Center; all super-duper, public town buildings that totally improve the Town of Meredith....big-time!

You do not see any 268-unit storage businesses being proposed on a Route 3 vacant lot in Meredith....now do you......which is the very ugly, imminent storage case in the Weirs.........too ugly bad for the Weirs!

Wouldn't it be nice if the State of NH changed its mind, and agreed to build a new community sailing building facility on the beautifull stretch of un-developed sandy beach that fronts on Lake Winnipesaukee at the Ellecoya State Park-RV Campground. That proposed community sailing center there at Ellecoya should be re-visited once the legislature wakes up and figures a way to power up the state's parks and recreation facilities.
Does driving past run down homes and a trailer park make those Meredith facilities all that more fantastic? Driving past that empty Aubuchon and pizza place is pretty swanky too. No one even sees those buildings. I'm sure you are making your comments in jest so I won't comment on the thought of building another building on a prestine beach.

And putting another building on the beach is a fantastic idea.

And the total for the building exceeds the $7.8M. You have a $600K+ architect cost and the $1.5M cost to buy the industrial building.
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Hey, just raise the gas taxes like the feds plan on doing
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Hey, just raise the gas tax ...
I was reading online, with gas prices down consumption is up. Since the gas tax is per gallon the state & fed's fuel revenue is actually up.

I suppose you could add a maritime fuel tax for gas sold at marina's but if I suggested that, we'd get some screaming here!
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It's a beautiful building. That is why those people need to live in trailers because the government has beautiful buildings that they have to pay for. Yet (some of ) those same people are the ones that vote for everything because they think someone else is going to pay for it. The people in government have what they want not what they need. Government has become a huge monster.
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Good article and rendering in the Laconia Daily Sun today.
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The life expectancy for this project is 50 years. The available funds for
construction are $7,800,000.00

Hmm 7.8M for 50 years comes out at a cool 156K per year, now that's a bargain
Now assume this was private taxable property assessed for 2.5 million, it would bring in about 40K per year in taxes for about 6 months of use by a second home owner at no cost to the city..
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Todays LDS has an article about the new building. I created a pdf file with just the pages that talk about it:
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Default ..... your five dollars saved; go Marine Patrol!

You know you save the five dollar service fee which would go to the local town, when you go to the existing Marine Patrol building at the Gilford town docks as opposed to purchasing your boat registration at your town hall or at a marina.

For me and my boat, that means I pay about $37, as opposed to $42, so that is a pretty good savings......save five bucks.....go to the MP-HQ at Gilford town docks.

Am looking forward to saving five dollars in their new 7.8-million dollar MP-HQ starting maybe in April, 2016.....soon as the ice melts ....... so just gimmeeee five, Officer!!!
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Its probably too late but, any idea who to contact about bidding for the site work, shoring, concrete side of things. I know the GC's bid in the fall, I never had anything come across the usual job lead sites.
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You know you save the five dollar service fee which would go to the local town, when you go to the existing Marine Patrol building at the Gilford town docks as opposed to purchasing your boat registration at your town hall or at a marina.

For me and my boat, that means I pay about $37, as opposed to $42, so that is a pretty good savings......save five bucks.....go to the MP-HQ at Gilford town docks.

Am looking forward to saving five dollars in their new 7.8-million dollar MP-HQ starting maybe in April, 2016.....soon as the ice melts ....... so just gimmeeee five, Officer!!!
City of Laconia charged an additional fee to use a credit card. The state do not. I haven't written a check in years nor do I have checks. One reason to register at Marine Patrol or any DMV outlet!
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Nice building, any structural or civil drawings?
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Its probably too late but, any idea who to contact about bidding for the site work, shoring, concrete side of things. I know the GC's bid in the fall, I never had anything come across the usual job lead sites.
Yes it is too late. All GCs contacted their "subs of choice" for pricing to determine a price. The reason you did not see it on the usual job lead sites is because they did not want every sub in mass, nh and beyond contacting them when they didn't even have a full set of drawings. The GC has been selected to build it and they have their subs already lined up.
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7:20 am on a Saturday starts off the demolition
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As of today, Sunday, May 31, there's no signs of any construction activity at the old MP-HQ on the waterfront at the Glendale Docks. No construction vehicles, no signs, no materials, no orange cones, no construction fencing, NO NOTHING, and the nearby Glendale Marina which was sold for 1.1-mil for the expanded footprint under the new MP-HQ structure is still operating as a marina business.

I smell the Republican controlled state legislature at work here! After all, they are the 'Party of No' who always finds a way to vote no, do nothing, and just let the state roads, state parks, and state buildings continue to deteriorate and crumble. They like to vote no, so's I smell them 'publicans at work here when absolutely no MP-HQ construction has yet to be happening here.
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was definitely happening there yesterday morning.

And blaming the Republicans for a slowdown in construction FLL for something that is moving forward is quite ridiculous. The state got there $11.1M for this "improvement" as the sky is falling (or rather, the building is sinking), or is it "we want more, and shiny too"?


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was definitely happening there yesterday morning.

And blaming the Republicans for a slowdown in construction FLL for something that is moving forward is quite ridiculous. The state got there $11.1M for this "improvement" as the sky is falling (or rather, the building is sinking), or is it "we want more, and shiny too"?
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What I saw today, Sunday, May 31, at the MP-HQ building was no signs of the expected demolition, or construction; nothing to suggest a demolition-construction project is soon to happen there based on what is there, at this time.

As the saying goes, seeing it is believing it! Maybe this will change starting tomorrow on June 1, but only time will tell? As already mentioned, the NH-Republican controlled legislature likes to say no because it costs too much, and that NH has a spending problem as opposed to a taxing problem.
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What I saw today, Sunday, May 31, at the MP-HQ building was no signs of the expected demolition, or construction; nothing to suggest a demolition-construction project is soon to happen there based on what is there, at this time..

SERIOUSLY --- what would you expect to see on a rainy SUNDAY ??


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Nothing will happen until after July 1st. That is when all boats are required to be out of Glendale Marine. Once that occurs, demolition should begin...
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What I saw today, Sunday, May 31, at the MP-HQ building was no signs of the expected demolition, or construction; nothing to suggest a demolition-construction project is soon to happen there based on what is there, at this time.

As the saying goes, seeing it is believing it! Maybe this will change starting tomorrow on June 1, but only time will tell? As already mentioned, the NH-Republican controlled legislature likes to say no because it costs too much, and that NH has a spending problem as opposed to a taxing problem.
As I was saying in another thread, FLL loves to blame the republicans:

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