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Old 11-24-2018, 02:43 PM   #1
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Default Official 2018-2019 Ice-in Thread

This is the Official 2018-2019 Ice-in Thread. Please post your comments about this year's Ice-in here. The air temperatures are falling and a few coves are freezing so it is time to begin our annual discussion. ( A tad early!)

It is typically 33-35 degrees at the Weirs when the broads skims over. The Lake temperature reported by the Winnipesaukee Dataphone is 41 degrees. (12-23-2018) The unseasonable cold may start ice-in early. A year ago the lake temperature was nearly 46 degrees. We hope the lake level will go down considerably before the lake freezes. It has dropped a little over two inches in the last few days as the output at Lakeport increased.

The Ice-in page is live at www.rattlesnakecam.com/watch.htm. If you have a webcam or know of one, please post the information in this thread and I will add it to the page. If you have a webcam that I have in the defunct section of the ice in page, please post here if it will be coming back at some point.

For those of us who are addicted to watching the lake freeze, enjoy. If you are new to the lake, come back often and watch the progress of Ice-in!

Please visit this thread for the latest news and the Ice-in page for current images of the freezing progress. (Please click on the ads at webcam sites and support the sponsors. This provides revenue to keep the cams alive)

As always Please post your pics of the freezing lake here.

See you on the ice!
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Old 11-24-2018, 04:01 PM   #2
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Here's the pics from the ice on Alton Bay thread.

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Old 11-24-2018, 09:05 PM   #3
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With all due respect, we are weeks away from any serious ice in discussions.....but I’ve been wrong before....
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Old 11-25-2018, 08:33 PM   #4
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going to be a warmer than usual winter, no total ice in this year!!
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:12 AM   #5
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According to folks at West Alton, the marina basin was iced in on November 17th, 2018. It has probably lost most if not all of that ice by now, but it did already freeze. Much to my chagrin, since I wanted to launch that day. 😡
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Old 11-26-2018, 11:02 AM   #6
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When we left Sunday after the Pat's game, MVYC was thinly "Iced In" from the channel at the gas dock & throughout all of the slips.

Don't know if it will last given the weather projections

No one's made mention that our "predictor" (Lily Pond) was completely frozen over from edge to edge.
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According to folks at West Alton, the marina basin was iced in on November 17th, 2018. It has probably lost most if not all of that ice by now, but it did already freeze. Much to my chagrin, since I wanted to launch that day.


I was at Minge Cove yesterday and it was still iced in. Ice was 2” thick in the marina (it was melting a little though). The channel was mostly clear.

I was the last boat still in the water there and it was not an easy task to get out of the marina. Flat battery, frozen bilge pump and I now know what piloting an icebreaker is like.

Not my best idea and I’ll never leave it so late to close again. Lifting a dock when the decking is frozen to the frame is no fun and the steep rattlesnake ramp is especially fun when covered in snow and ice.

Definitely a memorable end to the season.



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Old 11-29-2018, 07:49 AM   #8
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Looks like 20mi and 19mi bay have some ice on it. Also, looks like Mirror lake is locked in. Tough to see as its dark going to and from work now.
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Old 11-30-2018, 12:16 PM   #9
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Was hoping to drop my fishing kayak in at 19 mile bay to make a quick run to island home to put a timer on my dock bubbler but may be too risky now.
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Old 12-01-2018, 08:45 AM   #10
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Was hoping to drop my fishing kayak in at 19 mile bay to make a quick run to island home to put a timer on my dock bubbler but may be too risky now.

The wind yesterday forced and moved the ice to shore. Nineteen Mile Bay is open. The ramp is open as well. Go for it.
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Default Lily Pond in Gilford

Lily Pond in Gilford is totally iced in. Not that I'd want to go for a walk on it.

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The ice on Alton Bay, which had virtually disappeared, is now out to Sandy .

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Took my last trip out to BI yesterday, brisk 17 degree NW wind - entire NW shore line of bear is encased in ice. Water temp on the fish finder was reading 36 degrees. Even the markers had a nice ring of ice around the base.

Didn't stay out long anywhere the water was splashing it was flash freezing.

Can't imagine if this keeps up the ice will form pretty quickly. Sadly I think the boat will get winterized today!
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I am curious (and a bit jealous) about your setup, to be able to access an island this late in the season.
I assume you have a permanent dock on the island, but how to you keep the mainland ice free this late? I launch out of West Alton to get to our island and they were frozen solid three weeks ago.

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With this cold snap, the ice is out to around Peggy's Cove, just short of Echo Point.

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We came over the bypass heading to Alton from Tilton, and there were snowmobile tracks on the ice, running in an oval like a race track. Also 3 people ice fishing near the road.

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I am curious (and a bit jealous) about your setup, to be able to access an island this late in the season.
I assume you have a permanent dock on the island, but how to you keep the mainland ice free this late? I launch out of West Alton to get to our island and they were frozen solid three weeks ago.

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I believe he comes out of Shep's which is usually open late. Glendale should still be open and not that far of a ride either. I use it for late season runs, as Gilford Yacht Club has been locked up for a few weeks.
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I am curious (and a bit jealous) about your setup, to be able to access an island this late in the season.
I assume you have a permanent dock on the island, but how to you keep the mainland ice free this late? I launch out of West Alton to get to our island and they were frozen solid three weeks ago.

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No permanent dock, I have a seasonal dock that I typically pull mid to late September. From there it's a matter of scrapping for a parking spot. My neighbors have a crank up setups so they pull theirs up pretty late. It's a trade off they usually use mine in the spring cause I get mine in first, at least enough sections to tie the boat up to. This time of year everyone has their docks out so I just park at the BI post office dock and hike in from there.

Far as on the mainland.... the launch at Sheps was wide open and that's pretty typical even in the winter. Several of the island service crews leave their barges in the water there over the winter. The nice thing about this time of year, plenty of parking and no waiting to pop the boat in or out of the water.

Next trip out will be over the ice pending reliable conditions. Crossing my fingers it may be some time in early to mid January. We shall see!
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I appreciate the optimism for an early ice in!

Attached is a pic from a couple days ago looking north from Mink Island. Little ice flow passing by. Warming trend late in the week will stall things a little.
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Looks like a skim of ice formed overnight north of Mink Island. Progress!

Mount Washington in all its winter white splendor off in the distance.
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With all due respect, we are weeks away from any serious ice in discussions.....but I’ve been wrong before....
I said the above in November when this thread was started and it holds true today. The weather pattern needs to change and that is not in the cards for the next week to ten days at least.
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I said the above in November when this thread was started and it holds true today. The weather pattern needs to change and that is not in the cards for the next week to ten days at least.


You are correct the next 10 days don’t look very promising. Yes below freezing at night but daytime close to or above freezing. We need a good week of single digits at night and no wind to really see some significant progress.


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Hey all I'm down in leavitt park / Patrician shores and on monday and tuesday the lake was locking up around my parts, extending outward from Center Harbor, but was wondering what the progress was from everyone else around the lake? There were a couple dozen people fishing in Center Harbor that's been locked up for quite awhile.

I just need safety for my snowmobiles as well some more snow which is starting to pick up.

Eagerly awaiting your replies and real winter to start.
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Have been smashing up the very thin ice, all around my dock with a roof rake the last two days. Attention self: get the heck off this forum and go get that dock and boat lift outta here ...... it's now or never ..... and ice circulators and timers have become very expensive ..... not cheap! ..... hut-hut-hut ..... gotta get on it ...... do it now ..... Jan 5 & 6 ..... today and tomorrow .... or else, it's ice time.

It takes two come-a-longs, a ramp made with 10' construction 2x10's, going in and out of the cold lake about ten times, to remove dock and 450-lb boat lift ......... who me procrastinate ....... never, never, never! ..... is so much better than Naples, Florida!
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Just slush on the north side on Mink. But a snow-capped Mount Washington is visible in the distance.
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About 4:15pm today, a large barge with a yellow excavator in the center, chugged down through the grey ice-slush between Timber and Mark. It was making a lot of noise grinding through the ice, moving about 1/4-mph, moving toward the open water. It sounded like what a tank battle from WWI must have sound like, slowly grinding through.
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Any reports on Meredith Bay? I'm wondering if there's going to be pond hockey this year.
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Another couple mild-ish days and then the cold settles in for a while. Pretty much on track for a typical winter with “safe” ice — defined as at least 6” of black ice, by the end of the third week of January when traveling from Shep Brown’s to Mink Island. We’ll see.....
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Snow helps show where the ice has some structure to it versus where it's wet and slushy still. Ideally it'd be nice if the snow cover is light - bare exposed ice will build faster than if insulated with a thick blanket of snow.

Like you looking forward to opening up the camp for the winter in a few weeks...
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From Center Harbor going south, how far frozen? Three Mile Island, Five Mile?
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View from Scenic Rd a little north of Ellacoya; south end of Welch on left.

It appears that the Broads skimmed over over night. Can't really tell. There may be a bit of open water at south west end of Welch, the usual hold out.
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-6 this morning when I left the house and a calm wind, whatever wasn't frozen probably is now.
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Emerson Aviation has officially declared Ice-In this afternoon
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David Emerson announced "ice-in":
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Be safe out there!

The lake surface covered with ice does not mean it is all safe. With snow coming in the next few days, it will be increasingly difficult to tell safe areas from not safe.

Please be careful out there, and carry safety equipment when out on the ice. Ice picks, cell phone in a waterproof enclosure, etc..

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....and that life saving flotation belt, enuf to keep you floating pretty good: just a $3 foam noodle, with a line threaded down through the long, center hole, and worn as a waist belt, underneath an outer coat will keep you floating, let you relax, gather your strength, and get up and out of the water .... up onto the ice ..... only to have you break through the ice again .... and again ... and again .... etcetera .... and again

Drowning in 34-degree water can actually happen in 30-60 seconds of panicked chaos, because the initial plunge into ice cold water can shock you cold ..... enuf to open your mouth and gasp big, and inhale enough water to mess you up in a relatively quiet, coughing and drowning fit ..... for lack of a noodle belt.
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FLL and Upthesaukee raise important points. Also, if you haven’t already, look up the self rescue techniques for getting out of the water if you do fall through. Easy to find on the internet/YouTube.

Also, I have ice-awls that are packed in a nice Velcro pack that attach to my forearm for easy access.

As I’m sure everyone knows, it’s mostly about being cautious and not making assumptions about ice conditions.
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Today's January 17 Laconia Daily Sun has a report that a 62-year old Tilton man drowned in the Winnipesaukee River, sometime between Monday, January 7 to January 11. His body was found at the Clement Dam in Tilton on Friday, January 11.

So, what happened? Seems like what happened will never be known?

You know, I mean, how did he end up in the river, drowned?
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Today's January 17 Laconia Daily Sun has a report that a 62-year old Tilton man drowned in the Winnipesaukee River, sometime between Monday, January 7 to January 11. His body was found at the Clement Dam in Tilton on Friday, January 11.

So, what happened? Seems like what happened will never be known?

You know, I mean, how did he end up in the river, drowned?


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Does anyone create any type of ice map every year of the lake depicting thicknesses? We've owned our place on Sleeper for 3 years now and haven't ventured out in the winter, but I really want to. I obviously want to make sure the route I take is more than sufficient for travel by snowshoe. My wife is extremely nervous, so any additional backup information such as data on ice thickness would help my cause.

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Default ..... the hand-held 6" ice auger

With regard to the Winnipesaukee River, it is entirely possible the flow is very slow, and the river has iced over, or partially frozen along the sides, so someone could walk out onto the frozen river for fishing or something?

Good way to educate yourself about the ice is to drill holes with a hand-held ice auger. Something like an Eskimo brand 6" diameter, costs about $50: when sharp it easily goes through the ice as thick as up to 18", plus is much less weight than a gasoline auger. You make a measuring tool with either a wood ruler or yardstick, and attach a short corner angle to the ruler, so it can measure the drilled hole by hooking onto the bottom of the hole.

It takes about 45-seconds to drill through five inches of ice with a hand-held 6" diameter auger.

What is really nerve racking is drilling a hole, and immediately seeing the ice to be only 2" thick ..... oopsie .... that was a big scary surprise! Ice is much stronger after a couple days of deep freeze temps, and also loses strength with warmer temps.

It sort of turns an ice trip into an expedition or a learning experience or something.

Plus drilling the holes show you the quality, and condition of the ice, plus when returning, you follow the holes back to shore .... and wonder ...... so, why I do this winter ice walk anyway ..... is just a lot of ice, floating top the 34-degree, icy cold, lake water. Most people do it once or twice, just to do it?
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Does anyone create any type of ice map every year of the lake depicting thicknesses? We've owned our place on Sleeper for 3 years now and haven't ventured out in the winter, but I really want to. I obviously want to make sure the route I take is more than sufficient for travel by snowshoe. My wife is extremely nervous, so any additional backup information such as data on ice thickness would help my cause.

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That would be a great idea....I want to do the same, walk out to our place near Pier 19 but wife is freaked out!
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There is to much variation in ice thickness around the lake to make such a map. Thickness varies due to temperatures, and currents around the lake.

Avoid going out on the ice near docks with bubblers, carry a cordless drill with a 1 in long shank drill to check ice thickness (check often), wear snowshoes on snow or microspikes on ice, and carry ice spikes to help pull yourself out if you should fall in. Let folks know your travel plans (when you're leaving and expect to return along with your route). Use care walking between islands.

Don't forget to carry liquid hydration and food, just like you would on a summer hike.

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That would be a great idea....I want to do the same, walk out to our place near Pier 19 but wife is freaked out!
We've been making winter trips out to Whortleberry Island from 19 Mile Bay for close to 50 years now. The ice fishermen usually have a plowed road that goes out to Farm and Chase Islands and beyond. I feel pretty pretty safe walking or snowmobiling on a road that trucks are driving on.


The winter experience out there is awesome. Go for it!
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Over the airport manager, the runway is not open yet. It has to be inspected, and with the upcoming snow this weekend, they want to wait until that snow is cleared before opening.

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Has anyone been out to the broadside of rattle Snake Island looking for ice thickness reports thanks in advanced.
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With the warm weather this past week.... wondering if anyone has checked the thickness on the broads side of Rattlesnake? Pressure ridges in the usual places?

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The relatives of Mark O'Connell, one of the three people that died two years ago after their snowmobile went through the ice, formed a foundation to improve safety on Lake Winnipesaukee. A hovercraft was just donated by the foundation to the Moultonboro Fire Department. They have been conducting training trials over the past week and it appears to be working well. Fast, stable and a lot less noisy than I expected. A great asset for the area.
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ALTON — The re¬cent donation of an air boat from a Rattle¬snake Island philan¬thropist will boost the town’s - and that of the whole region’s - capaci¬ty to help first respond¬ers ensure the safety of folks on Winnipesau¬kee prior to ice out.

The boat is an Alu¬mitech flat-bottom model with a polymer base. It was secured by the Alton Firemen, Inc., the non-profit arm of the AFD. It was out¬fitted with $18k worth of upgrades, donated by private individuals. The asset, therefore, comes to Alton with no hard costs or implica¬tions for taxpayers."
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The relatives of Mark O'Connell, one of the three people that died two years ago after their snowmobile went through the ice, formed a foundation to improve safety on Lake Winnipesaukee. A hovercraft was just donated by the foundation to the Moultonboro Fire Department. They have been conducting training trials over the past week and it appears to be working well. Fast, stable and a lot less noisy than I expected. A great asset for the area.
Today's LaDaSun has an article on this new orange colored Moultonborough Fire Dept air boat. Who knows but just maybe this company in Ontario https://airriderhovercraft.com has figured out a way to make it less noisy?

Riding over a cushion of air between the boat and the ice must be a lot different than the jon boat style of air boat which gets powered over the ice on a flat aluminum bottom.

If Moultonborough can have an air boat then Wolfeboro simply must go get a six million dollar helicopter just like the Coast Guard's plus a new hanger, maintenance, and flight crew ..... the Wolfeboro air rescue team!

..... noodles to the rescue ..... think I'll just use my five dollar noodle belt and one dollar, two big nails and shoelace ice grippers, and go save myself!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cils95YBLWU ...... Rick drives a hovercraft
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..... noodles to the rescue ..... think I'll just use my five dollar noodle belt and one dollar, two big nails and shoelace ice grippers, and go save myself!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cils95YBLWU ...... Rick drives a hovercraft
Check with your shrink. It may be too late to save you!

Instead of continuously posting about the value of noodles why don't you go down to the Meredith Fire Department and give them your phone number. They can call you for the next ice rescue and you will have an opportunity to demonstrate how well your system works.
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Check with your shrink. It may be too late to save you!

Instead of continuously posting about the value of noodles why don't you go down to the Meredith Fire Department and give them your phone number. They can call you for the next ice rescue and you will have an opportunity to demonstrate how well your system works.
Better yet volunteer tomorrow at the Center Harbor Ice Fest for the water rescue. I'm sure they would waive any Center Harbor residency requirements for you to participate.

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Instead of continuously posting about the value of noodles why don't you go down to the Meredith Fire Department and give them your phone number. They can call you for the next ice rescue and you will have an opportunity to demonstrate how well your system works.
...... so easy and inexpensive to make and use; holds you higher up in the water than a pfd, same buoyancy as a pfd ....... even a neanderthal could do it!

When I'm 109, expect to see me out there ice fishing with my ambulatory care walker, complete with foam noodles taped to it, all over, and tennis balls on the leg feet for gripping the ice ...... winning the Winni Fishing Derby-2061 ...
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'Vermont State Police adds two air boats to their arsenal' ...... google that to see the videos or ... https://www.wcax.com/content/news/Ve...505429451.html ... interesting, the incredibly high, loud, noise of the airboat engine has been removed ..... another appropriate name for an airboat is a lake shaker ..... combining the engine noise and beat'n down on the ice like a moving thundering drum .... is a real lake shaker-upper ... with all that loud noise!

For use in ice and thin ice, open water rescues, the VSP has recently received two 20' air boats, reported to cost $75,000 each, using federal grant money. Just looking at this boat in the video, $75,000 seems like way, way, too high a price for what it is .... looks like $20,000 .... maybe $25,000 tops for a 20' jon boat modified into an airboat like this .... is too much price!

Do you think the NH Marine Patrol could actually need one to be kept at their Glendale dock for use on the big lake ice?

Nah ...... no way ...... all you need to stay relatively safe out on the ice is a home made foam noodle belt worn under your coat, and a couple large nails/spikes attached to an old, sturdy shoelace, threaded down your sleeves, used as ice rescue picks, and you are much more safe out on the ice than having a $75,000 air boat and driver that most likely would not get to you in time. Is one more big expensive rescue boat that would just get there too late.

You know a foam noodle belt has as much foam flotation as a pfd, and is less bulky to be wearing because it fits snug around your waist. And, the noodle belt holds you about six inches higher up in the water, which helps a lot while struggling to climb and kick yourself out of the water, and up, onto the ice sheet (only to have it break again?).

Your personal ice safety is up to yourself, because you be frozen drowned dead before any help got to you. Drowning in icy cold water can happen fast, like in 90-seconds of coughing, choking, panicked chaos.

Here in New Hampshire, the ice-goers have to take care of themselves because they know a police ice boat will simply not get to you soon enough to help ..... help ...... what help ..... you need to help yourself ...... out on the ice.

And besides, ice boats like this are unbelievably very noisy, disturbing the quiet winter solitude and serenity, and can break up the ice as they power across the water/ice which creates some open water, safety issues for snowmobiles. And, as you may not know, there's no speed limit for snowmobiles out on the NH lake ice.

https://www.emsworld.com/news/107067...rescue-lawsuit ..... on August 22, 2006: 64-year old Virginia Yates of Rockingham Vermont, with just an injured ankle ended up drowned dead, here in New Hampshire, while transported by the local fire dept in an airboat rescue across the Connecticut River from Vermont to New Hampshire .... she would have been better off with a foam noodle belt, slowly swimming to shore, and then hitch-hiking to a hospital, or just to back home in Vermont .... plus there's no ambulance or emergency room bills to pay .....

So's ..... this 2006 airboat rescue from NH done drowned a perfectly healthy woman from Vt, who had an injured ankle, like a sprained ankle or something, while transporting her across the river to NH ...... like, what was they think'n ...... just say'n?
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'Vermont State Police adds two air boats to their arsenal' ...... google that to see the videos or ... https://www.wcax.com/content/news/Ve...505429451.html ... interesting, the incredibly high, loud, noise of the airboat engine has been removed ..... another appropriate name for an airboat is a lake shaker ..... combining the engine noise and beat'n down on the ice like a moving thundering drum .... is a real lake shaker-upper ... with all that loud noise!

For use in ice and thin ice, open water rescues, the VSP has recently received two 20' air boats, reported to cost $75,000 each, using federal grant money. Just looking at this boat in the video, $75,000 seems like way, way, too high a price for what it is .... looks like $20,000 .... maybe $25,000 tops for a 20' jon boat modified into an airboat like this .... is too much price!

Do you think the NH Marine Patrol could actually need one to be kept at their Glendale dock for use on the big lake ice?

Nah ...... no way ...... all you need to stay relatively safe out on the ice is a home made foam noodle belt worn under your coat, and a couple large nails/spikes attached to an old, sturdy shoelace, threaded down your sleeves, used as ice rescue picks, and you are much more safe out on the ice than having a $75,000 air boat and driver that most likely would not get to you in time. Is one more big expensive rescue boat that would just get there too late.

You know a foam noodle belt has as much foam flotation as a pfd, and is less bulky to be wearing because it fits snug around your waist. And, the noodle belt holds you about six inches higher up in the water, which helps a lot while struggling to climb and kick yourself out of the water, and up, onto the ice sheet (only to have it break again?).

Your personal ice safety is up to yourself, because you be frozen drowned dead before any help got to you. Drowning in icy cold water can happen fast, like in 90-seconds of coughing, choking, panicked chaos.

Here in New Hampshire, the ice-goers have to take care of themselves because they know a police ice boat will simply not get to you soon enough to help ..... help ...... what help ..... you need to help yourself ...... out on the ice.

And besides, ice boats like this are unbelievably very noisy, disturbing the quiet winter solitude and serenity, and can break up the ice as they power across the water/ice which creates some open water, safety issues for snowmobiles. And, as you may not know, there's no speed limit for snowmobiles out on the NH lake ice.

https://www.emsworld.com/news/107067...rescue-lawsuit ..... on August 22, 2006: 64-year old Virginia Yates of Rockingham Vermont, with just an injured ankle ended up drowned dead, here in New Hampshire, while transported by the local fire dept in an airboat rescue across the Connecticut River from Vermont to New Hampshire .... she would have been better off with a foam noodle belt, slowly swimming to shore, and then hitch-hiking to a hospital, or just to back home in Vermont .... plus there's no ambulance or emergency room bills to pay .....

So's ..... this 2006 airboat rescue from NH done drowned a perfectly healthy woman from Vt, who had an injured ankle, like a sprained ankle or something, while transporting her across the river to NH ...... like, what was they think'n ...... just say'n?
Bad choice on the part of Vermont to going with that style boat for rescue. A 1000 Islands is considerably safer and much faster. While an 18' is about $100k instead of the $75k they spent, they are completely different machines. Having one of these on Lake Winnipesaukee in a centralized location would be a game changer for rescue situations.
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Oh yeah ..... the article in the Feb 7, 2019 Alton Baysider has two photos (page 5) of their new Alton ice rescue air-boat ..... it looks like maybe a 16-18' (?) aluminum jon-boat with a large caged wind propeller ...... and a seat for the driver only..... so probably others on-board will either be standing up, or sitting on the down low, center thwart bench, while underway.

This boat is probably similar to the one used in the fatal Cornish NH-Rescue Squad water rescue in August 2006, which was said to be a 15' air-boat, where a 64-year old Vermont woman with a sprained ankle was strapped into a Stokes litter, placed in the bow, only to get drowned, when the boat took on water or something in the Connecticut River, while they transported her from Vermont to New Hampshire, across the river. She should have maybe stayed in Vermont?

Now, an 18' air-boat is probably, actually ...... a lot bigger than a 15' air-boat but there's a lesson here; be very wary about letting the rescuers strap you into a carry litter in a situation like a winter ice, water rescue with a small rescue boat. If you end up in the water while strapped into a Stokes, you will know exactly how a drowning grey squirrel in a Have-a-heart trap feels when dropped into the lake ..... it's like 30 seconds of panicked, under water chaos for the squirrel.

Ya knows .... for about 37-cents each, you can go buy two large nails/small spikes and rig up a set of ice self-rescue hand picks, using an old shoelace, that gets threaded down both sleeves, along your arms ...... hanging near your hands ..... ready to use. And .... of course ..... a home made, foam noodle flotation belt, worn under a coat, around the waist, which holds you higher up in the water than a pfd ...... not that a pfd is bad ..... a pfd is very good ..... but for climbing up and onto the ice ..... a foam noodle maybe makes it a little easier to climb onto the ice sheet.

By the time that new Alton air-boat gets out there to you, you will either be noodle supported, floating in the icy cold water, or already have kicked and ice-picked yourself up, onto the ice, be freez'n cold and wet, and be very happy to see and hear the extremely loud air-boat coming for you. Just try to avoid gett'n strapped into a Stokes' litter for the ride back to shore .... if possible.

An individual can expect to survive 75-minutes, floating in 34-degree water, with a pfd or foam noodle, while your hands, feet, arms and legs will freeze up, making them unable to use till thawed out, later on. Just keep your mouth shut when you first hit the water.
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