NH State Liquor essential?

[fatlazyless]

New Hampshire has 77-state liquor stores spread across the state which is easily the largest interface between the State of NH and the NH-people. They sell spirits and wine, no beer, lottery tickets, and no tobacco items. For beer you go to a grocery that also sells food items.

Ok, so why is the NH State Liquor store considered an essential business that's open now during the corona virus scare while restaurants and bars are closed?

For state liquor store employees who sell liquor and wine to the public it seems like they must be in close proximity to many different customers and putting their own health at risk.

http://www.twitter.com/ziyatong/stat...475334/photo/1 ..... people spots ...... retail spacing solution for keeping customers six feet apart from Denmark .... a very good idea!

[WinnisquamZ]

State revenue is great from these stores


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[garysanfran]

Deems liquor stores and marijuana dispensaries to be essential services.

The work-at-home folks can sit at the kitchen table with a shot and a joint.

Us retired people sit in a more comfortable chair.

[Mr. V]

All the liquor stores and cannabis outlets should close.

Out west the casinos are closed.

Without gambling, booze or weed a lot of addicted / habituated folks would have to go cold turkey and find something else to help fill up the time.

Is that such a bad thing?

[WinnisquamZ]

Wishing NH liquor stores would sell cigars. One stop shopping


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[fatlazyless]

Seven different states have state liquor stores: Alabama, Idaho, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Utah, and Virginia.

Did some fast research and here's what's open and closed:

Alabama- 78 stores closed
Idaho-closed
New Hampshire-77 stores open
North Carolina-open
Pennsylvania-closed
Utah-short hours with social distancing enforced
Virginia-short hours

Those people spots from post #1 could be a good way to practice the six foot, social distancing at the check-out line. Using them sends a message and helps to build community good faith because they treat everyone the same. Creating a little trust and good faith at the check-out is a good thing ...... sort of a 'musical chairs' check-out conga line where everyone advances one people spot, together, at the same time ....... all together, now!

Could not find any info on the liquor store clerks wearing surgical masks?

[The Real BigGuy]

My brother-in-law owns a liquor store in CT. There they have been declared essential businesses by the state. As he always says, “When things are bad people drink. When things are good people drink.” No way NH is closing down this revenue stream.


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[codeman671]

Although I like having them open, it is an invitation for out of staters to come into NH and spread this. Close them down.

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

All the liquor stores and cannabis outlets should close.

Out west the casinos are closed.

Without gambling, booze or weed a lot of addicted / habituated folks would have to go cold turkey and find something else to help fill up the time.

Is that such a bad thing?

IMHO, not a solution.

Those with a gambling addiction will find a way to gamble, legally or not.

Those with an alcohol addiction will find it, wine st the grocery store, e.t.c, and if they can't get it legally, they can break into houses and steal it.

Drug addiction, well they can buy weed and anot anything else they want in almost any community.

Close the gathering spots? Yes. Cure the addictions? I don't think so.

Again, JMHO

Dave

[The Real BigGuy]

Damed out-of-staters! All they do is support the NH economy & supply the much needed tax revenue that keeps the state running. I see no reason to let them cross the border. Cowhampshire is far to pure to have coronavirus within its borders. It’s all someone else’s fault.

Yup, real sound thought process!


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[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Damed out-of-staters! All they do is support the NH economy & supply the much needed tax revenue that keeps the state running. I see no reason to let them cross the border. Cowhampshire is far to pure to have coronavirus within its borders. It’s all someone else’s fault.

Yup, real sound thought process!


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I just read that some towns in France are starting to prohibit residents from returning to their summer homes during this pandemic. They don’t want the virus brought to areas where they don’t have enough hospitals and medical people equipped to deal with this.

[iw8surf]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

I just read that some towns in France are starting to prohibit residents from returning to their summer homes during this pandemic. They don’t want the virus brought to areas where they don’t have enough hospitals and medical people equipped to deal with this.

France??? gross, I don't want to do anything in NH based off of what France does.

Maybe its time for us to realize the worlds well past overpopulated and these places where they don't have a hospital finally actually need one.

[Doobs41378]

Game Stop told their employees they had to work because they were considered essential. They sell video games!!’

[GTO]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

All the liquor stores and cannabis outlets should close.

Out west the casinos are closed.

Without gambling, booze or weed a lot of addicted / habituated folks would have to go cold turkey and find something else to help fill up the time.

Is that such a bad thing?

I just asked the question why is it essential for liquor stores to remain open. My sister who is a nurse at a mass hospital fighting this virus answered "Alcoholics will go into life threatening seizures if they stop using cold turkey. They will then take up valuable emergency room beds and eventually ventilators hat will be needed elsewhere. Nurses have been talking about keeping these open since this all started"

[Y2K]

Originally Posted by GTO

I just asked the question why is it essential for liquor stores to remain open. My sister who is a nurse at a mass hospital fighting this virus answered "Alcoholics will go into life threatening seizures if they stop using cold turkey. They will then take up valuable emergency room beds and eventually ventilators hat will be needed elsewhere. Nurses have been talking about keeping these open since this all started"

True. Another thought was that if normal alcohol was not available, the Alcoholics would turn to drinking other forms of alcohol to satisfy their needs, such as rubbing alcohol, mouthwash, etc. Things even worse than normal....

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Damed out-of-staters! All they do is support the NH economy & supply the much needed tax revenue that keeps the state running. I see no reason to let them cross the border. Cowhampshire is far to pure to have coronavirus within its borders. It’s all someone else’s fault.

Yup, real sound thought process!


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This is more about controlling the spread, not hating on non-residents. If you want to take one for the team, get the virus and let us know how you are doing feel free. My wife works in healthcare on the front line of this, and its not pretty.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Did not think people spots would be such an in depth topic.

www.governor.nh.gov/news-media/emergency-orders/

..... you read it here first ..... after seeing this thread, Gov Sununu has directed all retail food stores and all 77 state liquor stores to immediately start using people spots, spaced six feet apart, as a retail method for maintaining a six foot space between customers at the check-out line. ....

People spots; an excellent plan from Denmark.

[JEEPONLY]

Kind of cute! We have The RBG and Biggd on the same page!

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by codeman671

This is more about controlling the spread, not hating on non-residents. If you want to take one for the team, get the virus and let us know how you are doing feel free. My wife works in healthcare on the front line of this, and its not pretty.

If it’s only about controlling the spread why aren’t you pushing for NH to institute shelter in place? If there are already 78 documented case in the state there will probably be 3 or 4 times that next week without your feared out of staters!


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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY

Kind of cute! We have The RBG and Biggd on the same page!

Build a wall, LOL. I'm curious to know if Joey2665 is still saying we are overreacting with almost 50% of the total cases in the US in his state of NY now and multiplying fast!

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I'm curious to know if Joey2665 is still saying we are overreacting with almost 50% of the total cases in the US in his state of NY now and multiplying fast!

I do just my opinion you have yours. There you go!!!

Be vigilant be sanitary maintenance distance but closing business is disastrous.

In a war few are sacrificed for the many but but are now sacrificing the many for the few.

Again my opinion if you don’t like it tough crap.

BTW big thanks to the left for killing the stimulus package by trying to stuff there agenda of abortion funding, energy credits and an emissions package down our throats without regard for all the people you purposely and needlessly put out of work. Killing our economy and people’s lives for political gain. Very nice!


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[TheRoBoat]

There are 101 cases as of today.

[LadyJane]

Sorry....basic question about using this site, there used to be a "Thank You" button, how does one reply thank you to a comment now? also, I thought there used to be a "start a thread" option....so hope I did right choosing "reply to thread" as that is all I see for choices. I hope everyone stays safe and well. Be very careful out there. Take good care.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by LadyJane

Sorry....basic question about using this site, there used to be a "Thank You" button, how does one reply thank you to a comment now? also, I thought there used to be a "start a thread" option....so hope I did right choosing "reply to thread" as that is all I see for choices. I hope everyone stays safe and well. Be very careful out there. Take good care.

Have you used the “thank you button” today? I believe your only allowed 5 a day.


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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I do just my opinion you have yours. There you go!!!

Be vigilant be sanitary maintenance distance but closing business is disastrous.

In a war few are sacrificed for the many but but are now sacrificing the many for the few.

Again my opinion if you don’t like it tough crap.

BTW big thanks to the left for killing the stimulus package by trying to stuff there agenda of abortion funding, energy credits and an emissions package down our throats without regard for all the people you purposely and needlessly put out of work. Killing our economy and people’s lives for political gain. Very nice!


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It's nice to say sanitize and maintain a safe distance but you can't count on the ordinary citizen to do that without mandatory action, esp in the busiest City in the country. Can you just imagine how much worse it would be if your Governor didn't enact the restrictions that he did? The health care system in NY is being over run but you seem content to let people die to save others wealth. To use your expression "Very nice"!
I'm not going to get into a political debate except to say we need to close the NY borders to keep the rest of the US safe.

[gravy boat]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

All the liquor stores and cannabis outlets should close.

Out west the casinos are closed.

Without gambling, booze or weed a lot of addicted / habituated folks would have to go cold turkey and find something else to help fill up the time.

Is that such a bad thing?

Well, perhaps the government should (but never will) also void the medical marijuana cards (except cancer and other serious diseases - old injuries and "anxiety" don't count here) and close the reservation casinos (they remain open, no?).

GB

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Biggd

It's nice to say sanitize and maintain a safe distance but you can't count on the ordinary citizen to do that without mandatory action, esp in the busiest City in the country. Can you just imagine how much worse it would be if your Governor didn't enact the restrictions that he did? The health care system in NY is being over run but you seem content to let people die to save others wealth. To use your expression "Very nice"!
I'm not going to get into a political debate except to say we need to close the NY borders to keep the rest of the US safe.

If your so worried about New York you could always just bury yourself in a hole and come out next spring.

I actually the non essential band just started Sunday so the restriction is not even know if it will or won’t help. Beside did you see the list of essentials? It’s tremendous the only people staying home are admin type jobs. Please font praise my governor until you live here.

Again my opinion I can’t help it if you disagree.


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[fatlazyless]

Is vaping related to corona virus?

www.time.com/5807214/vaping-caronavirus/ .... March 23, 2020

Could be bad for business at the three vape stores in Laconia!
............

Oops, posted this one in the wrong thread, thought it was going into the 'Covid-19 effects on summer businesses' ..... my bad!

[Mr. V]

Well, perhaps the government should (but never will) also void the medical marijuana cards (except cancer and other serious diseases - old injuries and "anxiety" don't count here) and close the reservation casinos (they remain open, no?).

"Voiding medical marijuana cards?"

That sort of fuzzy thinking makes no sense.

I don't know how you people do it on the east coast, but out here you don't need a medical marijuana card to buy and consume cannabis: recreational use of cannabis is legal for all 21 or older.

It used to be the only way you could legally blaze was to have the MMJ card but that restriction went the way of the dodo bird.

As for gambling, ALL casinos are closed, including tribal casinos.

They may be sovereign nations but they can get sick and die like the rest of us.

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by joey2665

BTW big thanks to the left for killing the stimulus package by trying to stuff there agenda of abortion funding, energy credits and an emissions package down our throats without regard for all the people you purposely and needlessly put out of work. Killing our economy and people’s lives for political gain. Very nice!


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Get your facts straight. The bill isn’t dead, it’s still in negotiations. The dems have an issue with giving 500 billion to bail out Boeing, the airlines, hotels, etc. just like you and the Republicans had an issue with bailing out the automobile industry and the banks. They want transparency on any money going to big business and more funding/easier access for small business, education, child care. They are just trying to keep the Pumpkin & his toady Mitch from screwing the American people like they did with their tax cut.


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[Crusty]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Get your facts straight. The bill isn’t dead, it’s still in negotiations. The dems have an issue with giving 500 billion to bail out Boeing, the airlines, hotels, etc. just like you and the Republicans had an issue with bailing out the automobile industry and the banks. They want transparency on any money going to big business and more funding/easier access for small business, education, child care. They are just trying to keep the Pumpkin & his toady Mitch from screwing the American people like they did with their tax cut.

Getting facts right is important. Like the fact that both Democrats and Republicans worked tirelessly to craft legislation to preserve our jobs and economy. Like the fact that Nancy Pelosi stepped in at the last minute to end debate on the bipartisan effort and introduce her OWN 1,100 page bill (crafted in secrecy) as the ONLY acceptable package. Like the fact that Nancy's bill places limits on aircraft emissions, includes tax breaks for solar and wind energy, gives $30 million to the Kennedy Center, increases union authority, etc., etc.. The fact that Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and key Democrat "leaders" are using sickness and death in an extortion attempt to enact their personal agendas. The only fact that gives me hope is the fact that most Democrats are just as appalled at this behavior as most Republicans.

[The Real BigGuy]

Like Republicans have never used a crisis as a negotiation tool. Grow up.

You understand that if the Senate bill got to the House as it was it was going to be debated & modified or the House was going to send a totally different bill back to the Senate. By Pelosi getting involved now it actually will shorten approval time and get the bill to the President faster.


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[CaptT820]

1) Democrats and Republicans both use their own influence to get what they want incorporated into bills all the time. If both sides did not agree to the "pork" that is added by both sides, we would literally never get anything done/passed in this country. Lets leave politics out of this, we are trying to solve a pandemic, we are all human.

2) To put the economy in front of someone living or dying is reckless and irresponsible at best. If we eliminate the virus, the economy will come back. We have ALL lost money in the last month irregardless of age/creed/etc. However if the government wants to shut everything down, they do need to help those out who cannot earn a living.

3) The virus lasts 14 days (as far as we know right now). Shut EVERYTHING down for 15 days and the virus dies. The health care system and supply chain can catch up and the economy naturally follows. People trust that there are no or very few cases out there, so they will buy and shop and get back to daily life, thus jumpstarting the economy.

4) Whether or not you believe in social distancing, it works. It may be a corny term, but you stay 6-ft away from me, and I do the same to you and we are good. Unfortunately people cannot do this, or are not conscious enough to do this, which is part of the problem. We could all go back to work and live our daily lives if everyone could do this properly, but they cant. I am amazed by people at gas stations and grocery stores who are still not wearing gloves or sanitizing the grocery cart. Are you nuts? Thats how this thing spreads. A gas pump handle is a petri dish for bacteria.

5) I could go on and on, but back to work. Anyone who doesn't believe any of this should consult a health care worker on the front lines and ask them how they feel, or ask someone with a MD, PHD, MS after their name. They know what they are talking about.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Get your facts straight. The bill isn’t dead, it’s still in negotiations. The dems have an issue with giving 500 billion to bail out Boeing, the airlines, hotels, etc. just like you and the Republicans had an issue with bailing out the automobile industry and the banks. They want transparency on any money going to big business and more funding/easier access for small business, education, child care. They are just trying to keep the Pumpkin & his toady Mitch from screwing the American people like they did with their tax cut.
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Never said the bill was dead! Get your facts straight if you are going to quote a post.

Please explain what funding the Kennedy Center, Bailing out the Post Office, changing minimum wage when no one is working, Abortion funding, airplane emissions, voting changes have anything to do with or crisis. Purposely trying add specific policies they could not get through a Republican majority Senate the past 3 years at the expense of the public when taxpayers really need them. Yes the corporate bailout on both side will definately be negotiated and resolved but these other items are ridiculous.

I love the tone of your post by the way.

[Kamper]

Have you ever dealt with a person in serious withdrawal from anything?

They can become a major problem very quickly even if it isn't life threatening. You can expect belligerence as well as physical symptoms of nausea and incontinence. This could result in emergency services being involved and tieing
up a hospital bed until the subject quiets down.

There are enough politicians trying to promote social agendas on the back of this crisis as it is. If I wanted to take "The White Pledge" I would not want it forced on me.

[garysanfran]

Employers have to be healthy.

Has anyone on this forum worked for someone less wealthy than them?kjl./z

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

Employers have to be healthy.



Has anyone on this forum worked for someone less wealthy than them?kjl./z

Yes I have. The last few years before retirement I work part time in a retail environment. You have a sense a of freedom. If things did not go as agreed to you can just walk


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[The Real BigGuy]

Joey2665 - you’re right, you never said the bill is dead, you said “. . . thanks to the left for killing the stimulus package . . .” BIG difference there.


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[The Real BigGuy]

By the way, the tone of a post is solely in the head of the reader. I have no control over how you interpret anything you read or hear.


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[lakesregionguy]

The State will never close the stores. Too much money involved. I believe what they should do, if they must, is keep open a few larger stores in certain areas and close some of the smaller stores, allow these employees to collect unemployment and pay those that wish to work a bonus or some form of incentive pay to remain working. If you must have booze, you'll just have to take a little drive to get it. My wife works in one of the stores and after seeing vehicle after vehicle coming in from NY, Mass, NJ, CT, she decided to take a voluntary leave of absence. NY is bailing out and the Task Force is very concerned that there may be many infected people that will spread the virus. Your health is not worth the risk. We'll just try to get by a while with the stimulus check that hopefully will come next month. Stay safe everyone.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

Employers have to be healthy.

Has anyone on this forum worked for someone less wealthy than them?kjl./z

Sure. A good salesman always makes more than management. "Never had a real job. I was always in sales.":

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Just asking "lakesregionguy" would your wife know if they got to install the "retail spacing solutions" called "people spots" that Chris Sununu issued an excutive order for. Would you know if that got accomplished.

After all we read it here first. the governor seen it here too.

Well they were not using them this past Monday in Gilford when I went in to stock up! There were only a couple people in there and we all kept six feet apart however...

Dan

[lakesregionguy]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Just asking "lakesregionguy" would your wife know if they got to install the "retail spacing solutions" called "people spots" that Chris Sununu issued an excutive order for. Would you know if that got accomplished.

After all we read it here first. the governor seen it here too.

No people spots as of Monday but there was coughing !

[fatlazyless]

Finding a method to keep the spirits flowing and keep NH State Liquor employees safe from corona virus, as well:

http://www.nhpr.org/post/sununu-expl...tores#stream/0

"Yes, I'm looking for a bottle of white wine, something with a nutty-fruity flavor, and something that's on sale, too?"

.... for better liquor sales and bigger tips working curbside service, state liquor employees should probably consider dressing like the beer server babes at the bike week tent ..... don't you think. .....

[Rinkerguy]

NHSLC is a significant income generator for NH,that being said it is also designated by Federal and State government as essential. This is because it serves the health and well-being of the public, like grocery stores, pharmacy, gas stations, hardware stores etc. people are starting to get the point about social distancing and staying 6 ft apart

[fatlazyless]

As of March 18, here's what's happening way down south at the 78 Alabama state liquor stores, the sister stores to New Hampshire's 77 state liquor stores:

http://www.al.com/news/2020/03/coron...main-open.html

And didn't that former Boston Globe writer, Mike Barnacle, say that New Hampshire is just like Alabama, except with snow!

Reading the newly created in-store customer rules down at the bottom of the Alabama page, it looks like Alabama has found a way to keep their spirits flowing ....... way down south in Alabama!

Alabama has 78 state liquor stores, and New Hampshire has 77 state liquor stores ...... so's you see the close similarity for these two here states .... Hampshuh and 'Bama.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHdXQAQHjd8 ...... Alabama-Song Of The South

[garysanfran]

"And didn't that former Boston Globe writer, Mike Barnacle, say that New Hampshire is just like Alabama, except with snow!"

I wonder from where he plagiarized that statement?

[The Real BigGuy]

Maybe the state could put up big tents in some of the parking lots and turn them into drive thru stores. Michigan or Ohio had this year’s ago (maybe they still do). You popped the trunk and drove thru the building, called out what you wanted, and they put it in. At the end of the line you paid the cashier who closed the trunk. With all the cashless methods of payment it would minimize contact. I know, it would never happen in NH.


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[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Maybe the state could put up big tents in some of the parking lots and turn them into drive thru stores. Michigan or Ohio had this year’s ago (maybe they still do). You popped the trunk and drove thru the building, called out what you wanted, and they put it in. At the end of the line you paid the cashier who closed the trunk. With all the cashless methods of payment it would minimize contact. I know, it would never happen in NH.


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Nice thought but anything that is declared or deemed “drive thru” would be immediately swamped by traffic and unbearable lines.
Just practicing safe distancing and good hygiene will suffice to serve us well in NH, in my opinion.

[TiltonBB]

The liquor stores must be essential. The employees just got a 10% raise retroactive to March 13th.

Remember, alcohol kills germs!........................

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...9aef43b76.html

[fatlazyless]

Is 10% enough? How many adult beverage, close proximity contacts at the cash register counter happens during an eight hour shift?

Looks like the Wolfeboro state liquor store is closed ..... a major boo-hoo for Wolfeboro! Can you believe it ...... the Town of Wolfeboro's - NH State Liquor Store has done been forced to close cause no one wants to show up and work the store, there, in Wolfeboro! Holy adult beverages ..... that is an unbelievable situation for all the adult beverage seekers in Wolfeboro.

Surely, there must be some liquor store worthy people from neighboring Alton who will come to rescue Wolfeboro for $14/hr.

Believe that Hannaford and Stop & Shop are installing plexiglass petitions to segregate their check-out clerks from their customers ..... maybe that's what state liquor should do ..... put the state prison to work building plexiglass petitions to protect the liquor store cashiers. Someone locked up at the state prison built a solid oak, six station computer table with petitions and slide-out drawers for the Plymouth Public Library that is very well designed and built.

[WinnisquamZ]

It not really a rise. It’s a bump in pay until this event is over then it drops back. Please correct me if I read it wrong


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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

"And didn't that former Boston Globe writer, Mike Barnacle, say that New Hampshire is just like Alabama, except with snow!"

I wonder from where he plagiarized that statement?

The Globe fired his sorry ass--as they should have. This is the mark of how a real news organization deals with false/misleading reporting.

I will salute Fox as well for their more recent discipline. You may have noticed that they fired Trish Regan for asserting COVID-19 was a hoax. Sadly, that was after she persuaded some people.

Both of these cases illustrate why it's import to cite real news sources rather than "the internet". Readers can remember these cases years later as they think about potential bias in current reporting.