Go Back   Winnipesaukee Forum > Winnipesaukee Forums > Winni Wildlife
Home Forums Gallery Webcams Blogs YouTube Channel Classifieds Calendar Register FAQDonate Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-13-2008, 06:26 AM   #1
Just Wonderin
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 165
Thanks: 55
Thanked 23 Times in 14 Posts
Default Chipmunks!

Has anyone else noticed the absence of chipmunks this year? We used to have a lot of chipmunks constantly running around our yard, and so far this year, we haven't seen a single one...squirrels seem to be more sparse as well.
Just Wonderin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2008, 06:42 AM   #2
DRH
Senior Member
 
DRH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Meredith
Posts: 1,667
Thanks: 1,173
Thanked 655 Times in 173 Posts
Default Plenty Here

Here in West Alton we have chipmunks, red squirrels and gray squirrels this year. In fact, I think we have have more squirrels now than we did last year. Their population seems to go in cycles ... more one year, fewer the next.
__________________
DRH
DRH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2008, 06:56 AM   #3
Orion
Senior Member
 
Orion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Cow Island
Posts: 914
Thanks: 602
Thanked 193 Times in 91 Posts
Default more predators?

They must have moved to DRH's place. Seriously, we have not seen one red squirrel here on our side of Cow Island where we had dozens last year. The chipmunks were among the missing also, until we saw one running around very nervously over the last week. He was much more timid than I've seen them before. There seems to be more owls than prior years and that could explain it.
Orion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2008, 07:22 AM   #4
Merrymeeting
Senior Member
 
Merrymeeting's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Merrymeeting Lake, New Durham
Posts: 2,216
Thanks: 299
Thanked 795 Times in 365 Posts
Default

They must have moved south during the long, cold winter. While I haven't yet spent enough time at the lake to measure the population there, I'm being overrun with them in N-central MA.

Anyone who really misses them is welcome to come down and take as many as you want.
Merrymeeting is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2008, 08:58 AM   #5
Rose
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 498
Thanks: 62
Thanked 71 Times in 32 Posts
Default I'm with Merrymeeting

Quote:
Originally Posted by Merrymeeting View Post
They must have moved south during the long, cold winter. While I haven't yet spent enough time at the lake to measure the population there, I'm being overrun with them in N-central MA.

Anyone who really misses them is welcome to come down and take as many as you want.
We're also in North Central MA, and at this point in time, my husband traps 2 a day, unless a vole has gotten into one of the traps. I'm sure if he had more traps, he'd trap more.
Rose is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 06-13-2008, 09:40 AM   #6
Newbiesaukee
Senior Member
 
Newbiesaukee's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Coral Gables, winter; Long Island, summer
Posts: 1,349
Thanks: 921
Thanked 569 Times in 295 Posts
Default

We, also, have noted the absence of chipmunks this year but we have seen a few red squirrels. Last year lots of 'munks but only rare red squirrel. It does seem to cycle but grey squirrels seem stable. Here, on Long Island, the deer population also seems to cycle with weather and hunt and there seem fewer this year also.
Newbiesaukee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2008, 03:46 PM   #7
John A. Birdsall
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Norwich, CT
Posts: 599
Thanks: 27
Thanked 51 Times in 35 Posts
Default poor lil chipmunk

We lost our pet chipmunk, he got hungry in the spring and jumped into a bucket looking for food. It could not get out, what a horrible way to go.

We had a fox terrior growing up and she loved to chase chipmunks, only caught one, and it was by its tail. But let one walk across the yard and she would go nuts. Gotta love them little critters.
John A. Birdsall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2008, 09:45 AM   #8
nj2nh
Senior Member
 
nj2nh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: NJ
Posts: 518
Thanks: 62
Thanked 42 Times in 23 Posts
Default

Lots of chipmunks here in Jersey. More than usual. Lots of squirrels, too. They are nothing but rats with fluffy tails.

When my brother and I were kids, my parents had one of those Have-A-Heart Traps up at the lake. My dad and brother would bait it and leave it outside. We caught some poor critter every day. We just let them go, rebait the thing and catch another. Wouldn't fly nowadays.

Once, we caught a red squirrel. I can't quite remember why on earth we brought the trap onto the porch (screened in), but the poor thing managed to escape. It went understandably crazy, running around trying to escape. I guess we finally opened one of the many doors to the porch and it got out, but I don't remember exactly.

Certainly not something I would like to revisit. We had a raccoon on the porch once back in 1993. No idea how it got there. No idea how it got out. Kinda scary.

nj2nh
__________________
nj2nh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2008, 05:43 PM   #9
tis
Senior Member
 
tis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,386
Thanks: 716
Thanked 1,375 Times in 951 Posts
Default

We and our neighbors have been remarking about the lack of chipmunks this year in our area. I wonder why some places seem to have them and some don't.
tis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2008, 11:36 AM   #10
Rattlesnake Gal
Senior Member
 
Rattlesnake Gal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Central NH
Posts: 5,252
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 1,447
Thanked 1,349 Times in 475 Posts
Wink Great Idea... Maybe Not

Quote:
Originally Posted by DRH View Post
Here in West Alton we have chipmunks, red squirrels and gray squirrels this year. In fact, I think we have have more squirrels now than we did last year. Their population seems to go in cycles ... more one year, fewer the next.
DRH, would you like to borrow our Have a Heart trap? It sounds like you would have some takers on where to relocate your critters. I do think you are correct about the cycle thing.
Rattlesnake Gal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2008, 11:50 AM   #11
DRH
Senior Member
 
DRH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Meredith
Posts: 1,667
Thanks: 1,173
Thanked 655 Times in 173 Posts
Default New Home!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal View Post
DRH, would you like to borrow our Have a Heart trap? It sounds like you would have some takers on where to relocate your critters. I do think you are correct about the cycle thing.
Hmmm, your place is pretty close to ours so it would be very convenient for me to make some "deliveries" to your house, RG. Yes, I think I would like to borrow your trap!
__________________
DRH
DRH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2008, 07:44 AM   #12
Lakesrider
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,129
Thanks: 380
Thanked 1,016 Times in 345 Posts
Default

Don't know about your town, but here where I am, there were not so many acorns from the trees last year. I was told that the lack of rain caused the trees to protect themselves and not make as many nuts. So couple that with the bad winter where they couldn't get to their storage areas....maybe did them in.
I also noticed the 2 fox that live in my woods were very skinny this spring. I don't think they could get to any of the little rodent/critters through the thick snow cover. By the time they smelled them under the snow the little guys were off in there little habitrails. We had a red tail squirrle that had packed whatever acorns he could find down a little hole in my yard. The hole got covered under 3 feet of snow. Never saw him/her again. I raked my yard in Nashua. Tons of acorns. I bagged them up and brought them up here. didn't help I guess.
Lakesrider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2008, 10:54 AM   #13
Fishy Cover
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 134
Thanks: 9
Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts
Default Mink caught chipmunk!

I was mowing my lawn and as I rounded the corner of my house I saw a chipmunk running at full speed along the top of my retaining wall. Right behind him was a mink! The chipmunk dove into a big hole (4" dia) right behind the retaining wall and the mink went in after it, at least as far as he would fit. The mink slowly backed out holding the chipmunk in his paws, then put the chipmunk in his mouth, jumped in the lake and swam away underwater.

I have been here 27 years and have seen mink many times but this is the first time I've seen a mink attack a chipmunk.
Fishy Cover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2008, 11:05 AM   #14
dpg
Senior Member
 
dpg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 2,559
Thanks: 149
Thanked 229 Times in 166 Posts
Default

Minks are nasty little suckers!
dpg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2008, 11:23 AM   #15
chipj29
Senior Member
 
chipj29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Bow
Posts: 1,874
Thanks: 521
Thanked 308 Times in 162 Posts
Default

One of my cats brings me at least a chipmunk a week. She is a mighty little hunter! She isn't catching the small ones either, some of them have been pretty big!
__________________
Getting ready for winter!
chipj29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2008, 11:25 AM   #16
Sal
Senior Member
 
Sal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Moultonborough
Posts: 311
Thanks: 103
Thanked 169 Times in 53 Posts
Default

I've noticed that if we have seen a fox in the yard, we don't see many chipmunks for a while and those few we do see act very apprehensively.
Hmmm. Is there a connection?
Sal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2008, 07:43 PM   #17
jrc
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: NH
Posts: 2,689
Thanks: 33
Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts
Default

New bumper sticker:

Make a coat save a chipmunk
jrc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2008, 10:28 PM   #18
Argie's Wife
Senior Member
 
Argie's Wife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Alton
Posts: 1,908
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 533
Thanked 579 Times in 260 Posts
Default

I didn't realize there were mink in the area... I'm now wondering if what I thought was a small otter in my back yard early last spring was really mink... hmmmmm......
Argie's Wife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2008, 06:29 AM   #19
Slickcraft
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Welch Island and West Alton
Posts: 3,211
Thanks: 1,167
Thanked 1,999 Times in 913 Posts
Default

Last fall we saw a mink and in the winter a weasel, both near the house. This year we have not seen a single chipmunk where in past years we had a healthy population.
Slickcraft is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2008, 09:33 AM   #20
Grady223
Senior Member
 
Grady223's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: New Hope, PA & Barndoor Island
Posts: 463
Thanks: 93
Thanked 24 Times in 18 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Argie's Wife View Post
I didn't realize there were mink in the area... I'm now wondering if what I thought was a small otter in my back yard early last spring was really mink... hmmmmm......
Before the mink industry moved to Michigan, GLAMMA (as in Black Glamma Mink) stands for the Great Lakes Mink Association, the US mink capital was the Lakes Region. When they all moved to Michigan, they took their breeding mink and let the others go. So, we have a lot of mink (which is a weasel) in and around the Lake. We have a family in our breakwater every year - they are cute and industrious - off fishing every night - often see piles of lake mussels where they had been feeding. Just stay clear - they are nasty.

As far as chipmunks are concerned, we saw a normal population on Barndoor Island this year but red squirrels were rare while the gray squirrel population was up considerably.
Grady223 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2008, 10:43 AM   #21
KonaChick
Senior Member
 
KonaChick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 518
Thanks: 19
Thanked 62 Times in 15 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Argie's Wife View Post
I didn't realize there were mink in the area... I'm now wondering if what I thought was a small otter in my back yard early last spring was really mink... hmmmmm......
We have a mink family that's been living under our lower level porch for 7 years now. I think mink are longer and skinnier than otter. I did not realize we even had otter here...anyone?
KonaChick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2008, 06:36 PM   #22
Chickie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 367
Thanks: 0
Thanked 67 Times in 38 Posts
Default Mink/Weasel Encounter

I had a close encounter with either a mink or a weasel a few years back, which I’ve never forgotten. I don’t know which it was as they look so much alike. A killdeer had nested in my back yard and had four young chicks. If you are not familiar with killdeer, they nest on the open ground and the chicks hatch out with feathers fully grown and the ability to run about immediately. To protect them from predators, a mother will do what is described as the “broken wing act”. It will fly away from her young and lead the predator to believe it is injured by lying on the ground and flapping one wing as if it is broken. The predator perceives it to be an injured bird and easy prey, so the tactic diverts attention away from the chicks and towards the mother.

On this particular day, the killdeer was tending to her young when either a mink or weasel came out of the tall grass nearby. As any good killdeer mother would do, she flew from her chicks and landed some distance away on the lawn. She fell to her side with outstretched wing flapping and began the ruse. The mink sprang after her and was dangerously close to having a killdeer dinner. Hoping to avert a catastrophe, I started clapping my hands and shouting loudly, thinking it would turn tail and run off. On the contrary, it turned and started coming after ME! Never has this old girl run more swiftly than she did that day. The animal soon gave up chase and I reached my porch unscathed, vowing never again to challenge such a creature.
Chickie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2009, 02:53 AM   #23
ApS
Senior Member
 
ApS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Florida (Sebring & Keys), Wolfeboro
Posts: 5,781
Thanks: 2,080
Thanked 735 Times in 530 Posts
Red face Training Alfie...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slickcraft View Post
Last fall we saw a mink and in the winter a weasel, both near the house. This year we have not seen a single chipmunk where in past years we had a healthy population.
Minks are the most aquatic of that family of critters. My guess would be that mink started expanding their range here about twenty years ago when people started using "dock-bubblers" to keep their docks reasonably ice-free.

"My" mink will make a burrow within a few yards of open water. The burrow's entrance is slightly larger than the typical chipmunk burrow. In Spring, you'll see piles of empty mussel shells stacked or scattered under those "open" docks. In snow, the mink's muddy pathway to the lake's open water is readily apparent: by comparison, the entrance to a chipmunk's burrow is neat and clean.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KonaChick View Post
We have a mink family that's been living under our lower level porch for 7 years now. I think mink are longer and skinnier than otter. I did not realize we even had otter here...anyone?
Below, you'll see a photograph I borrowed showing an otter as it slid into the lake at Wolfeboro's bridge downtown in mid-August. Otters are bigger than all the other aquatic critters mentioned here, and poses no threat to other mammals. Otters feed nearly exclusively on fish.

Both are on the skinny side, but mink are definitely smaller—even tiny in comparison. Weasels are about 50% larger than red squirrels, and can have a coat that can change to a lighter coat (or lighter "highlights") as Fall approaches.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chickie View Post
"...I had a close encounter with either a mink or a weasel a few years back, which I’ve never forgotten. I don’t know which it was as they look so much alike..."
Minks are pretty small. I watched as one ran out from under a deck, paused on top of a rock, then silently dove into the lake and disappeared. Weasels are larger and curious. With camera in hand, I surprised a weasel on my porch. It immediately ran over and examined my shoes!

There does seem to be a correlation between the quantity of chipmunks and the presence of those weaselly-carnivores. (Which may hold true for red squirrel numbers, too).

Except for black bear and bobcat, we've seen most of what Mother Nature has in the Winnipesaukee area: Most of Nature's visits is by chipmunks—and most often by "Alfie".

"Alfie" will alert me to an empty bird feeder by perching on a porch chair and staring through the porch window. (Where my computer is located). If I'm too busy to respond, he will sit up and beg. When Alfie's feeling totally ignored, he will start glaring and put one or two paws on the window until I comply.

I really got Alfie trained, huh?
Attached Images
   
ApS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2009, 04:44 PM   #24
Janet
Senior Member
 
Janet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Texas
Posts: 467
Thanks: 230
Thanked 130 Times in 88 Posts
Default

Last week we saw a mink run from the rocks under our dock into the water and swam out of sight. We were in a cove off of Swallow Point Road off the Neck Road in Moultonboro. Not sure who was more surprised - the mink or us!
Janet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2009, 05:41 PM   #25
tis
Senior Member
 
tis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,386
Thanks: 716
Thanked 1,375 Times in 951 Posts
Default

We had two minks get in a fight last week. At first I thought the mink was fighting another animal but it turned out it was another mink. They were NOT happy with each other! We have never seen that before.
A bit off topic but, we had a baby duck here today who lost her mother. She/he had been chirping and I fed her. But she was still unhappy and we were worried she might not make it through the night if we didn't try to rescue her. So we went looking for her mama and the other babies and found them and sure enough she had one missing. So we came back and caught this baby and I held her in my lap and we took her in the boat back to her mother. I can't believe how calmy she sat in my lap. She hardly moved. It was like she knew what we were doing. I thought being in the boat would scare her to death but she was fine. We dropped her off with her mother and brothers and sisters. What a wonderful experience it was!
tis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2009, 06:40 PM   #26
BGB2
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 28
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default Trapping Squirrels-Chipmunks

This story is from someone I knew who worked in a hardware that sold Havaheart traps.

A customer with a squirrel infestation problem wanted a trap or some humane way to get rid of the critters. After purchasing the trap the customer asked what to do with the squirrels. The store owner said he told everyone who purchased a trap to just go to the outskirts of town near the park at xyz street and let the animals go. The customers response? Hey, that's where I live!!!

I can't prove the story is true, but the story is logical and entertaining. If you trap woodchucks, squirrels, etc., there can be humor value in where you let them free.
BGB2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2009, 07:00 PM   #27
SteveA
Deceased Member
 
SteveA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Gilford, NH
Posts: 2,311
Thanks: 1,070
Thanked 2,053 Times in 496 Posts
Default Nice Story!

Quote:
Originally Posted by tis View Post
We had two minks get in a fight last week. At first I thought the mink was fighting another animal but it turned out it was another mink. They were NOT happy with each other! We have never seen that before.
A bit off topic but, we had a baby duck here today who lost her mother. She/he had been chirping and I fed her. But she was still unhappy and we were worried she might not make it through the night if we didn't try to rescue her. So we went looking for her mama and the other babies and found them and sure enough she had one missing. So we came back and caught this baby and I held her in my lap and we took her in the boat back to her mother. I can't believe how calmy she sat in my lap. She hardly moved. It was like she knew what we were doing. I thought being in the boat would scare her to death but she was fine. We dropped her off with her mother and brothers and sisters. What a wonderful experience it was!
Nice work TIS.... made me smile.
__________________
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry he'll be a mile away and barefoot!" unknown
SteveA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2009, 06:35 AM   #28
chipj29
Senior Member
 
chipj29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Bow
Posts: 1,874
Thanks: 521
Thanked 308 Times in 162 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tis View Post
We had two minks get in a fight last week. At first I thought the mink was fighting another animal but it turned out it was another mink. They were NOT happy with each other! We have never seen that before.
A bit off topic but, we had a baby duck here today who lost her mother. She/he had been chirping and I fed her. But she was still unhappy and we were worried she might not make it through the night if we didn't try to rescue her. So we went looking for her mama and the other babies and found them and sure enough she had one missing. So we came back and caught this baby and I held her in my lap and we took her in the boat back to her mother. I can't believe how calmy she sat in my lap. She hardly moved. It was like she knew what we were doing. I thought being in the boat would scare her to death but she was fine. We dropped her off with her mother and brothers and sisters. What a wonderful experience it was!
How did you know the mother duck was missing a baby?
__________________
Getting ready for winter!
chipj29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2009, 09:42 AM   #29
tis
Senior Member
 
tis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 6,386
Thanks: 716
Thanked 1,375 Times in 951 Posts
Default

Because she had six and we went and found her first to see if one was missing and it was. Luckily, we did find her. So then we went back and caught the baby and took it over to her. These are babies (and Mom) that hung around most of the time, so we were familiar with them.
tis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2009, 09:52 AM   #30
Island Life
Senior Member
 
Island Life's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 273
Thanks: 12
Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts
Default

We no longer have many chipmunk or squirrels on our island despite the surplus of acorns. We've attributed it to the eagles who frequent the island. At home, we're also seeing a marked decrease in the number of squirrels. While we don't have eagles here, we have lots of red tailed hawks and other predators. I've read something recently about the correlation between the rise in numbers of large predatory birds and the decrease in numbers of small critters.
__________________
Island Life the way my grandparents' grandparents enjoyed it - but with a faster boat!!!
Island Life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2009, 10:27 AM   #31
SIKSUKR
Senior Member
 
SIKSUKR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 5,075
Thanks: 215
Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts
Thumbs up Birds of prey

I used to have about 10 squirrels living in the trees outside my commercial property on the Merrimack River.We have two resident hawks that live on a window sill the last 3 years.They have eaten all but 2 of the squirrels and a big bonus is they have totally wiped out all the pigeons that used to hang around!
__________________
SIKSUKR
SIKSUKR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2009, 11:55 AM   #32
Grant
Senior Member
 
Grant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Pennsyltuckey, Tuftonboro, Moultonborough
Posts: 1,485
Thanks: 337
Thanked 212 Times in 116 Posts
Default

No shortage of chipmunks in our neck of the woods. However, for a most of this year, I thought we'd lost a long-time rival -- an otter that has taken to using our boathouse as a "latrine" (go ahead and Google "otter latrine" for an explanation.

Last week, as I was packing up stuff for a trip home after fetching kids from camps, I went down to the boathouse, only to discover that my pooping/sliming nemesis had just fled. Wet footprints, tail tracks and, yep, ample scat and malodorous mucus slime. It was the first "visit" by the critter since last winter. When I visited in November, he'd taken a PFD down from a hook and pooped all over it. He also loves to deposit his waste on an 8x8 beam that I use to support a canoe and small boat during the winter. In previous years, he'd made numerous stops during the season, but nothing this year until last week.

This was the second time I had missed him by seconds. He typically swims into the boat slip, jumps out, runs around the top of the slip, poops/marks, and then splits. I know it's not a mink, as we've had them along the shore forever, and it's not mink behavior. Still, I've never seen the character. I'm sure he's left more "presents" since I left... I'll be back soon enough to clean them up. Ugh.

Apologies for hijacking a chipmunk thread. But no shortage of those little dudes this year at all.
__________________
"When I die, please don't let my wife sell my dive gear for what I told her I paid for it."
Grant is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

This page was generated in 0.14292 seconds