Getting close to Headway speed?

lakers · 08-10-2008, 05:24 PM

I remember a few springs ago we had a headway speed decree on the entire lake....r we getting close or no?....what was the lake level when that went into effect?.....adjusting dock bumpers on long island....

tis · 08-10-2008, 05:59 PM

It was a lot higher than it is now, at least on the east side of the lake. But there has been a lot more rain over in Laconia, Weirs, etc. so I don't know about there.

TomC · 08-10-2008, 06:02 PM

...the lake level is the lake level. it doesn't rise to different levels on various sides of the lake as a result of localized rainfall...

tis · 08-11-2008, 06:35 AM

Tom, I have learned you have to be careful what you say on here, because some seem to look for a reason to tear apart details of what you say. So you learn to try to cover all your bases when you make a statement.

KonaChick · 08-11-2008, 09:19 AM

tis you're confusing to say the least, Tom is right on this one please don't take it personally....

Kamper · 08-11-2008, 11:29 AM

I think member tis was just making sure we knew the statment was qualified only to limited personal observation.

Anybody growing gills yet?

tis · 08-11-2008, 12:07 PM

Exactly Kamper. Thanks for saying it better than I did. BTW, I have grown lots of gills! I am so sick of the rain!

Skip · 08-11-2008, 12:10 PM

The first lake has received a "No Wake" emergency posting, effective immediately, due to high water concerns.

Story HERE in the on-line edition of the Union Leader.

DC Pointer · 08-11-2008, 12:36 PM

This is a tough one for me. I'm watching the sand on my perched beach being washed into the lake as well as the existing waterfront "landscaping" washing in as well. My cove is a popular waterskiing cove. I hate laws and people telling me what to do, but...... If this continues, it might be time to go for headway speed, just until the lake has time to reach normal levels again. And then that would mean it would be worthless to take my boat out..double edged sword i guess...

Lakegeezer · 08-11-2008, 12:57 PM

The Union Leader article says no-wake is required in Silver Lake when the water reaches 467 feet. It would be useful to have a similar statute for Winnipesaukee when it reaches 505 feet. That is well above normal, seldom reached but clearly a point at which wake seriously erodes property. What's the history of the Silver lake statute?

Slickcraft · 08-11-2008, 02:53 PM

In June 1998 the level was up to about 505.5 and we lived with headway speed for more than a week, maybe even two weeks. Actually it was almost eerie as to how quiet it was.

Skip · 08-11-2008, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

The Union Leader article says no-wake is required in Silver Lake when the water reaches 467 feet. It would be useful to have a similar statute for Winnipesaukee when it reaches 505 feet. That is well above normal, seldom reached but clearly a point at which wake seriously erodes property. What's the history of the Silver lake statute?

The bill was passed last year.

The original bill, which only addressed a mandatory no wake for Silver Lake at a certain height, was ruled ITL (inexpedient to legislate) early in the session and effectively died.

A second bill, HB 648, dealing with a different issue (a formation of a commission) was ammended in the Senate later in the session to include the Silver Lake restriction. That bill survived and was signed into law by the Governor. The restriction we now have went into effect January 1st of this year.

SAMIAM · 08-12-2008, 09:22 AM

A lake wide no wake policy would have a pretty serious effect on tourism although I understand why it might be needed.It would bring skiing/tubing/wakeboarding/bassboaters and dinner cruises to a halt......with a big economic hit to an industry that is already reeling from all the rain.Hope it isn't necessary,but don't want to see people losing shorefront to errosion or having septic issues due to high water.

Bear Islander · 08-12-2008, 11:29 AM

[sarcasm]

I have been told many times that boats produce LESS wake at higher speeds. So doesn't that mean we need a minimum speed limit so boats will go faster?

[/sarcasm]

Chris333 · 08-12-2008, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DC Pointer

This is a tough one for me. I'm watching the sand on my perched beach being washed into the lake as well as the existing waterfront "landscaping" washing in as well. My cove is a popular waterskiing cove. I hate laws and people telling me what to do, but...... If this continues, it might be time to go for headway speed, just until the lake has time to reach normal levels again. And then that would mean it would be worthless to take my boat out..double edged sword i guess...

We have had a cottage on a small cove for over 45 years. Once the folks were careful, but no more. They race through the cove pulling tubes etc. Now my cottage is only about 20 feet from the cove; even though we have spent thousands on rip-rap. It's sad that folks have to be so thoughtless; I mean, we can't even sail in the cove anymore. Like others, I don't like the idea of legislating behaviour, but I think we may not have a choice. Out in the broads may be one thing, but fast speed and the resultant wakes are ruining life in the coves!

topwater · 08-12-2008, 12:51 PM

First and foremost, I have to disagree 100% with your remark about fast speeds creating the wakes that are eroding your beach! The waves that are taking a toll on your property are coming from the SLOWER boats that are pulling the tubes and skiers, and especially the WAKE BOARDERS, you know, the ones who make a huge wake so they can jump them. IMHO, these are the culprits you should be targeting your anger at. Also have you SEEN the wakes that the Carvers and Silvertons, 35-45 foot cruisers put out???
I would like to also point out with MY extensive time on the water, that the Captain Boneheads that are commonly referred to in here are usually under one of these discription. If your not a believer, I would be more then happy to take you to Blackeys Cove , or Braun Bay, or any other cove you decide on, and we will watch for 1 hour, to determine who makes the wakes and who the Boneheads are.
Please, this is not a Empty offer, I would enjoy taking you out to watch. I see it way to often, its to bad. However it will never change in our life times, it will only get worse!!

DC Pointer · 08-13-2008, 09:21 AM

I agree topwater. That's the deal with my slow erosion. But what can I do? The people that wake/ski/tube in my cove are all operating responsibly so what can one say? It is what it is I guess.

08-10-2008, 05:24 PM	#1
lakers Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Getting close to Headway speed? I remember a few springs ago we had a headway speed decree on the entire lake....r we getting close or no?....what was the lake level when that went into effect?.....adjusting dock bumpers on long island....

08-10-2008, 06:02 PM	#3
TomC Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 547 Thanks: 9 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	can't tell if this is tongue-in-cheek, but.. ...the lake level is the lake level. it doesn't rise to different levels on various sides of the lake as a result of localized rainfall...

08-11-2008, 12:10 PM	#8
Skip Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dover, NH Posts: 1,615 Thanks: 256 Thanked 514 Times in 182 Posts	Silver Lake now "No Wake" speed The first lake has received a "No Wake" emergency posting, effective immediately, due to high water concerns. Story HERE in the on-line edition of the Union Leader.

08-11-2008, 12:57 PM	#10
Lakegeezer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 1,657 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 342 Thanked 617 Times in 278 Posts	The Union Leader article says no-wake is required in Silver Lake when the water reaches 467 feet. It would be useful to have a similar statute for Winnipesaukee when it reaches 505 feet. That is well above normal, seldom reached but clearly a point at which wake seriously erodes property. What's the history of the Silver lake statute? __________________ -lg

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08-10-2008, 05:59 PM	#2
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,401 Thanks: 718 Thanked 1,378 Times in 954 Posts	It was a lot higher than it is now, at least on the east side of the lake. But there has been a lot more rain over in Laconia, Weirs, etc. so I don't know about there.

08-11-2008, 06:35 AM	#4
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,401 Thanks: 718 Thanked 1,378 Times in 954 Posts	Tom, I have learned you have to be careful what you say on here, because some seem to look for a reason to tear apart details of what you say. So you learn to try to cover all your bases when you make a statement.

08-11-2008, 09:19 AM	#5
KonaChick Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 518 Thanks: 19 Thanked 62 Times in 15 Posts	tis you're confusing to say the least, Tom is right on this one please don't take it personally....

08-11-2008, 11:29 AM	#6
Kamper Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Thornton's Ferry Posts: 1,296 Thanks: 67 Thanked 166 Times in 126 Posts	I think member tis was just making sure we knew the statment was qualified only to limited personal observation. Anybody growing gills yet?

08-11-2008, 12:07 PM	#7
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,401 Thanks: 718 Thanked 1,378 Times in 954 Posts	Exactly Kamper. Thanks for saying it better than I did. BTW, I have grown lots of gills! I am so sick of the rain!

08-11-2008, 12:36 PM	#9
DC Pointer Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Wolfeboro Posts: 40 Thanks: 18 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	This is a tough one for me. I'm watching the sand on my perched beach being washed into the lake as well as the existing waterfront "landscaping" washing in as well. My cove is a popular waterskiing cove. I hate laws and people telling me what to do, but...... If this continues, it might be time to go for headway speed, just until the lake has time to reach normal levels again. And then that would mean it would be worthless to take my boat out..double edged sword i guess...

08-11-2008, 02:53 PM	#11
Slickcraft Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Welch Island and West Alton Posts: 3,215 Thanks: 1,172 Thanked 2,000 Times in 914 Posts	In June 1998 the level was up to about 505.5 and we lived with headway speed for more than a week, maybe even two weeks. Actually it was almost eerie as to how quiet it was.

08-12-2008, 09:22 AM	#13
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,836 Thanks: 326 Thanked 1,626 Times in 562 Posts	A lake wide no wake policy would have a pretty serious effect on tourism although I understand why it might be needed.It would bring skiing/tubing/wakeboarding/bassboaters and dinner cruises to a halt......with a big economic hit to an industry that is already reeling from all the rain.Hope it isn't necessary,but don't want to see people losing shorefront to errosion or having septic issues due to high water.

08-12-2008, 11:29 AM	#14
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,757 Thanks: 31 Thanked 429 Times in 203 Posts	[sarcasm] I have been told many times that boats produce LESS wake at higher speeds. So doesn't that mean we need a minimum speed limit so boats will go faster? [/sarcasm]

08-12-2008, 12:51 PM	#16
topwater Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 302 Thanks: 85 Thanked 116 Times in 48 Posts	First and foremost, I have to disagree 100% with your remark about fast speeds creating the wakes that are eroding your beach! The waves that are taking a toll on your property are coming from the SLOWER boats that are pulling the tubes and skiers, and especially the WAKE BOARDERS, you know, the ones who make a huge wake so they can jump them. IMHO, these are the culprits you should be targeting your anger at. Also have you SEEN the wakes that the Carvers and Silvertons, 35-45 foot cruisers put out??? I would like to also point out with MY extensive time on the water, that the Captain Boneheads that are commonly referred to in here are usually under one of these discription. If your not a believer, I would be more then happy to take you to Blackeys Cove , or Braun Bay, or any other cove you decide on, and we will watch for 1 hour, to determine who makes the wakes and who the Boneheads are. Please, this is not a Empty offer, I would enjoy taking you out to watch. I see it way to often, its to bad. However it will never change in our life times, it will only get worse!!

08-13-2008, 09:21 AM	#17
DC Pointer Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Wolfeboro Posts: 40 Thanks: 18 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I agree topwater. That's the deal with my slow erosion. But what can I do? The people that wake/ski/tube in my cove are all operating responsibly so what can one say? It is what it is I guess.