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Old 09-11-2018, 06:36 PM   #101
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If he does he's probably illegal. I think you have to be 200' from houses to shoot. I can't think of many places on Winni where houses would be that far away.
There are many places on Winni, Tis.
200' is not much but I believe the law is 300'
For instance, on uninhabited islands there are coves and other places to tuck in and shoot...I don't think you'll find hunters in the Weirs Channel though!

Duck seasons run from Oct. 2 - Dec. 16 when most boaters are off the lake.
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I was wondering if the red kayaks will win out over the blue kayaks in the race that will be held in early November and how would a kayak fee affect the outcome of the race.
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There are many places on Winni, Tis.
200' is not much but I believe the law is 300'
For instance, on uninhabited islands there are coves and other places to tuck in and shoot...I don't think you'll find hunters in the Weirs Channel though!

Duck seasons run from Oct. 2 - Dec. 16 when most boaters are off the lake.
You are probably right. I couldn't remember if it was 2 or 300. I remember F&G being around many years ago and the officer told me that. I guess there could be on some of the smaller islands? Just seems like there isn't much that is uninhabited on the lake. Now you got me thinking----
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After watching that 11-minute youtube with the sail rigged ocean kayaks somewhere off Tasmania, did you know the www.topkayaker.com located in Ossipee NH seems like the place to get a mast and sail for your $144 Walmart kayak. By the way, if the kayak is 12' long and has a sail, then it probably needs to be registered in NH which costs about $45/year. Oh well … if you can afford a kayak with a sail, then the $45 is probably no big hurdle. Displaying the registration stickers without displaying the 3" high hull numbers on both sides of the bow is ok for sailboats from 12-16', so that is basically a $45 annual fee stamp.
Am not too sure about kayak sailors longer than 12' needing to be registered ... could be one of those rules that almost never gets enforced ... and can probably go 12' kayak sailing like this without the sticker ... saving $45 ... ?
New Hampshire's RSA270 E:4 had exempted sailing canoes; however, this pending bill will remove that exemption, and start canoe and kayak fees and other registrations.

Will this "Wind-Tax" bill (D-sponsored) get passed during winter, like the "even-louder boats" bill did?
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Well, thanks for this info about SB410, a bill to create a ten dollar fee stamp for canoes, kayaks, rowboats, sailboats under 20', and sailboards. Was not aware.

No mention of stand up paddle boards which can be 11'6" x 32" ..... why are sups not in this bill?

So, for sailboats 12-20' without a motor, it sounds like the annual fee will be decreased from about $45 down to $10 because they already are supposed to pay the $45.

With three old, el cheapo, fixer upper, craigslist sailboats, sizes 12', 14', 16' ...... seems it will save me about $35 x 3 = $105 ...... thankyou very much Sen Lou D'Allesandro, Manchester and Goffstown ..... you is my type of a Democratic senator!

Also, many kayaks are made with polypropilene which can be difficult to get a sticker to adhere, so these kayak stickers need to have some good sticky adhesive or something.

Cannot decipher if this is an annual ten dollar fee, or a one time ten dollar fee and if the ten dollar sticker regulation applies to a 16' sailboat with a 3-hp outboard motor?
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Cannot decipher if this is an annual ten dollar fee, or a one time ten dollar fee and if the ten dollar sticker regulation applies to a 16' sailboat with a 3-hp outboard motor?
Don't lose any sleep over this question because the bill won't pass anyway.

One thing that could be done would be to set a fee on any shore front home owner who pumps water out of the lake for domestic use. Know anyone who does that FLL?
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..... there's always your local free public library with treated town water that is probably safer to drink than your home's drilled deep well which can have arsenic, radon, small rock particles , and bad taste.... never mind from the lake itself.

My Lake Winni water is always clean looking and good for a gray water system????????????????

Blue lug-a-jugs: a name for all the local islanders, water-fronters, and everyone else who basically considers their tap water as a "gray water source" and brings home what is safe to use for coffee and cooking, treated town water in a blue lug-a-jug.

Here in New Hampshire, the blue lug-a-jug group of people is probably a large, maybe 25% of the state??? Welcome to tax free New Hampshire; your lug-a-jug state!

.... three cheers to the treated Meredith town water ....... is excellent quality! Meredith has good town water ..... I just wish it was available to me .... the last hydrant is at corner of Pleasant St and Barnard Ridge Rd, about five miles away so's it will not be getting here anytime soon ..... like, probably never.

Oh well ..... a blue 3-gal lug-a-jug costs about 10-dollars and lasts for years and years ..... and the library is free.
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Old 09-12-2018, 11:55 AM   #108
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In reading the proposed legislation I have to laugh at the entire thing.

Thought this was being sold as a means to fund the F&G, yet why is HALF of this going to the lake restoration and preservation fund?


(a) Fifty percent shall be credited to the fish and game search and rescue fund established in RSA 206:42; and
(b) Fifty percent shall be credited to the lake restoration and preservation fund established in RSA 487:25.


There is also an additional $1 fee that is going to be added to each and every boat registration, OHRV (ATV) registration and snowmobile registration as well.

The additional fee of $1 collected under the provisions of RSA 270-E:5, II(b) for each private boat registered, under RSA 215-A:23, X for each OHRV registered, and under RSA 215-C:39, XI for each snowmobile registered, and the additional fees collected pursuant to RSA 270-E:7, III for each canoe or kayak registered, shall be paid over to the state treasurer who shall keep such fees in a special fund to be expended by the fish and game department for use in search and rescue operations.


It gets even better, in the interest of efficiency the portion of this that is collected for the lake restoration and preservation fund flows through.... wait for it.... the DMV? HUH? Then it is supposed to be, without loss of any money, given to the state treasurer for safe keeping in the lake restoration and preservation fund.

The fee of $9.50 collected under the provisions of RSA 270-E:5, II(a), and the fees collected pursuant to RSA 270-E:7, III, shall be paid to the director of the division of motor vehicles. The director of the division of motor vehicles shall pay over said fee to the state treasurer who shall keep the fee in a special fund to be expended by the department of environmental services.


Now for the kicker:

The Department of Safety estimates required one-time system programming costs to total $90,000 and also states it would require an additional cash terminal operator position (labor grade 11), which would cost (salary and benefits) $53,000 in FY 2019, $55,000 in FY 2020, $58,000 in FY 2021, and $61,000 in FY 2022. As this bill does not provide a funding source to offset these costs to the Department, it is assumed they would be a charge to the navigation safety fund. The navigation safety fund will also be utilized to purchase canoe and kayak boat decals.


That's beautiful considering they have no estimations as to how much will be taken in and whether or not the costs will even offset one another. So it's a smart idea to peel funding from the navigation safety fund for this?

The sponsor of this bill is a donkey literally and figuratively.
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I am sorry. Is everybody in government stupid??????
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Yes, but it seems like it will lower the annual fee from aproximately $45 down to $10 for sailboats 12-20' because these sailboats currently pay $45/year and maybe even more for the 17-18-19-20'ers with or without an auxiliary small outboard motor?


Also, is this proposed 'kayak' $10 sticker fee a one time or an annual fee?



Will the stickers really, really, really actually stick to a polypropilene kayak without getting washed off ........ an important concern!


Maybe Senator Lou D'Allesandro can get someone from Las Vegas to build a casino on the large empty lot just below the Weirs Cumberland Gas and Go ....... helloooooooo Lou buddy ....... build us a Weirs Beach casino ...... Viva Weirs the money all-winter-long Lou! ......
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I am sorry. Is everybody in government stupid??????
Only as stupid as the electorate that puts them there.
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Well, thanks for this info about SB410, a bill to create a ten dollar fee stamp for canoes, kayaks, rowboats, sailboats under 20', and sailboards. Was not aware.
I'm confused. SB410 creates a committee to study a boat safe card. There is no mention of a fee, a fiscal note, the state treasurer etc. etc.
http://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_sta...txtFormat=html


What bill are you guys talking about? It;'s not the SB410 the Governor signed.
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I'll bet that my 7'6" inflatable is the smallest registered boat in NH.

Due to it's mighty 15 pound thrust 1979 antique Minn Kota electric trolling motor, a sticker is required.

Any kayak could beat it in a race.
I have a similar reservation to you 8gv. I have a 15.5 canoe with a newer 40 # thrust minnkota electric trolling motor that has been registered ever since I got fined a few years back for using it without a power boat registration. So my question now is: if new legislation passes to I now have to pay BOTH the powerboat registration AND the new canoe/kayak registration fees? If true...that canoe would be the most expensive boat in the state to register.
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What bill are you guys talking about? It;'s not the SB410 the Governor signed.
Sorry, have absolutely no clue?

For a canoe, rowboat or a sailboat with a small outboard motor which costs about $50/yr to register, I am guessing this would remain the same, and a kayak stamp would not be required, but that's just my uneducated guess?

As long as the NH Marine Trades political action committee from Gilford is not supporting this bill, this bill will be sure to die a fast death ..... will never ever get passed into law!
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Yes, but it seems like it will lower the annual fee from approximately $45 down to $10 for sailboats 12-20' because these sailboats currently pay $45/year and maybe even more for the 17-18-19-20'ers with or without an auxiliary small outboard motor? Also, is this proposed 'kayak' $10 sticker fee a one time or an annual fee? Will the stickers really, really, really actually stick to a polypropylene kayak without getting washed off ... an important concern! Maybe Senator Lou D'Allesandro can get someone from Las Vegas to build a casino on the large empty lot just below the Weirs Cumberland Gas and Go … helloooooooo Lou buddy ... build us a Weirs Beach casino ... Viva Weirs the money all-winter-long Lou! ...
Do these sections (of a bill said to have "passed") answer your registration question?

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3 Vessel Registration and Numbering; Exemption From Registration. Amend RSA 270-E:4, I to read as follows:

I. Sailboats under 12 feet in length[,] and rowboats [and canoes] powered by sail, oars, paddles, or other human power. Any vessel which has an inboard or outboard motor shall not be exempt from registration except as provided in paragraph II.
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7 Vessel Registration and Numbering; Exemptions From Displaying Numbers. Amend RSA 270-E:9, I(h) to read as follows:

(h) A sailboat under 20 feet in length[, or any vessel that is only powered by oars or paddles]. Any vessel which has an inboard or outboard motor shall not be exempt from displaying a number except as otherwise provided in this section.
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Will a sticker remain attached to a roto-molded kayak hull?

Tough to answer. I suspect a committee to check on suitable adhesives will be established.

A registration number on an Optimist kiddie-class sailboat will run around the transom!
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Well, thanks for that, it answers more questions than can be comprehended by someone with above average intelligence.

Apparently, this Senate Bill 410-FN does not apply the proposed annual ten dollar kayak tax to stand up paddle boards which are usually 10'6", or 11'6" length, and are considered by the US Coast Guard to be a vessel which requires a pfd and a whistle. If a sup is used within a swim or bathing area then it is not a vessel, but in most all other uses, it is considered to be a vessel which this proposed kayak stamp law has over looked.

If the US Coast Guard says a sup is a vessel, then here in NH, a sup is a vessel, and a stand up paddle board (sup) deserves a ten dollar kayak stamp similar to a kayak/canoe/rowboat/small sailboat (all without a motor) ......... legally speaking. Besides, a sup uses the lake pretty similar to a paddle kayak or canoe.

www.myfwc.com/boating/regulations/paddleboard/
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While the proposed ten dollar kayak stamp is a good place to start, considering that motorboat and sailboats 12' and longer both start at about $50, a twenty dollar kayak stamp is better for funding kayak associated projects like invasive plants, and launching ramps.

Noticed that all three of the big blue $500 marked down to $250 family sit-on-top kayaks at the Plymouth Walmart have been sold.

What's left at the Plymouth Walmart; one LifeTime Sport Fisher, sit-on-top, Angler Tandem, 10'x36", color-duck hunter dark green, with one kayak paddle, orig price $529, now $265 ….. seems like a big wide stable fishing kayak with three rod holder holes, three cup holder holes, two rod storage racks, seats two, weight 60-lb, capacity 500-lbs

Will the increased tariffs on Chinese made consumer items be raising the price for this kayak …… time will tell? Good grief ….. probably should have bought it myself!
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From the 10/8 Union Leader:

Kayak registration?

[State Rep Jeff] Goley said he plans to try again on an idea that’s been rejected by the legislature in the past — a $10 registration fee for canoes and kayaks. Boat owners pay from $24 to $34 depending on the size of their boat.

Waterfront property owners in the past have complained that they should not have to pay to launch a canoe or kayak from private property.

“My legislation will say only those using public access must have a decal,” said Goley. “That will be easy to police coming on and off the water, and won’t affect cabin owners and hotels along the lakes.”

Another idea is to allow Fish and Game to retain the revenue from fines paid for violations related to the department’s activities, like hunting without a license.

“Instead of taking that to the courts, which overburdens the courts, we could have a hearing officer conduct hearings like the Department of Safety does for minor violations, and keep the fine revenue in house,” said Goley.
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Still need to collect fees, distribute decals, catch law breaking kayakers and collect fines. That's the part that will be easy to police.
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Default ..... ask for donations?

Maybe just ask for donations and paddlers/rowers can mail a $10-25-50 check to a p o box, and in return, get a red, silver, or gold Fish & Game " Support NH F&G" sticker in the shape of a Dudley Do-Right character.

Registering an 11' jon rowboat for use with a 30-lb thrust, electric motor on the stern, runs about $50/year, so lots of paddlers would probably volunteer for $10 or 25 which is still half price.

Easy to administer and nothing to police ..... either a kayak has one or it don't .... is all the same ...... all volunteer stickers with an animated Dudley Do-Right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudley_Do-Right showing the F&G logo .......... a Dudley Do-Right character with the broad brim ranger hat.

Many would probably kick in ten dollars just to display the funny look'n red Dudley Do-Right sticker that shows their support.

Who knows ..... maybe a Dudley Do-Right, NH F&G sticker, would attract national attention and bring in more money than expected ...... strange things like that have happened .... especially if it gives people something to smile about?
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I have a similar reservation to you 8gv. I have a 15.5 canoe with a newer 40 # thrust minnkota electric trolling motor that has been registered ever since I got fined a few years back for using it without a power boat registration. So my question now is: if new legislation passes to I now have to pay BOTH the powerboat registration AND the new canoe/kayak registration fees? If true...
that canoe would be the most expensive boat in the state to register
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Good question to bttt.

Why not instead tax oversized swim-rafts?

Even when appearing in a row, or even in great numbers, at least kayaks aren't an eyesore!

Yes, these five are in front of ONE residence...!

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No, the Marine Patrol in Glendale at the Gilford docks would probably consider it a case of double jeopardy and hit you with the most expensive registration fee of the two.

By the way, how much was the fine for motoring an unregistered canoe which costs about $50/year to register and then should have its own insurance policy?

Is so much easier to just paddle a paddle, or oar a row?
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Yes, kayaks have paddlers and they paddle about, while a big raft like that is basically a floating structure that sits there for days, weeks, and months.

"The water in Lake Winnipesaukee belongs to the people of the State of NH", and not to the abutter, shoreline property owner, so what's up with these large, floating rafts that can be 15' high, and brightly colored, in the case of the slide? Does not seem like a very reasonable use with consideration for neighbors?

It uglies up what becomes a super-duper waterfront view in the winter, after the rafts get removed ..... gotta love that winter time view!!!
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We should tax and fine anyone who wants to have fun..
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If your "fun" is at the expense of others, let's make it at your expense. These rafts are getting into the obnoxious state! Are there no controls? Float anything you want?
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As has been covered many times on this forum. You may own waterfront property but do not own the "water". Full disclosure I do own waterfront. IMO the amount of floatable rafts tendered in front of your property should be limited to 1 per home.
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Just curious if a permit is needed for a float? I assume no, but you need one for a dock and a mooring so I can see the state requiring one. Also, just curious if there is a size and/or regulation as to how far offshore they can be.
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Just curious if a permit is needed for a float? I assume no, but you need one for a dock and a mooring so I can see the state requiring one. Also, just curious if there is a size and/or regulation as to how far offshore they can be.
Believe anything anchored "permanently" needs to be inside that magic 150' mark and not be considered a hazard to navigation.
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Default .... Dudley Do-Right to the rescue!

Say-hey .... with that licensed image or two or three or four of Dudley Do-Right, the F&G officer wearing a red field jacket and red dough boy, field hat, it's a sure fire, hells-a-blaz'n, dad-burned winner of an advertising promotion to be raising $10-contributions from all over to support the NH F&G.

Those Dudley Do-Right cartoon images make people smile, and it sure enuf dun seems just like so many in NH and beyond would gladly hand over ten bucks in exchange for a Dudley Do-Right sticker, suitable for sticking on your kayak, canoe, motor boat, motorcycle, car, or even your forehead.... knowing it was for a great cause. ... to power up the F&G.

Just add the words: 'Support NH F&G' to the image, and it would be good to go ... never hurts to poke a little fun at yourself ..... especially when it could be a big revenue raiser for the F&G.

It beats the heck verses being totally broke. No money makes it a diminished F&G. Instead of powering their search & rescue jon boats with outboard motors, they will soon be using oars, for oaring their boat along, what with no money to keep the motor running ..... row, row, row, row, row ..... Dudley Do-Right to the rescue for the NH Fish & Game!

.....suggest you google Dudley Do-Right and click on images ….. is he a good fit for the F&G ….. or is he a good fit for the F&G!
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I was trying to attach a picture of "Chippa Granite", from the fifties. He was the poster-boy for all that was New Hampshire.

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Last week I saw that Fish and Game was looking for people. Tonight I heard on channel 9 they dont have enough money. Someone is proposing a kayak fee as a way of increasing revenue. I even heard that kayakers are hogging the boat ramps. And they dont pay fees! Boaters who pay fees cant use the ramps because there's no parking. Really? This idea has come up before but I dont think it was comsidered. How would they collect fees and how would they enforce it? We dont have enough F&G or marine patrol now. And they'd have to check kayak permits too? Watch out for new legislation and taxes by people who dont boat or kayak. They smell revenue.
I have had a sailboat sticker for 2 years and never launched. I would be mad as hell if they put a stamp tax on my two kayaks. Let me know if you need help opposing this tax.

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What has the potential to be a better money raiser is this licensed Dudley Do-Right, $10, promotional F&G sticker, which is something that anyone in the U.S.A., or the entire planet may wish to purchase, in $10 support of the F&G, and for its' comedic and endearing images (series of 4) of Dudley Do-Right.

It puts a smile on the viewer's face and makes a small affront to the NH F&G, but they can take it!
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Chippa Granite has the potential!

He started out as Chip of Granite (of course, as in the granite state), and morphed onto Chip O' Granite, then to Chippa Granite. He's a native- can't say that about ol' Dudley.
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If I belong to a snowmobile club in NH, I get a discount on my sled registration. If I own 5 sleds, they all get the discount, even though I only paid club dues once. This model (10-12 years old?) provides a lot of funding for trail maintenance and gets a lot of people into clubs where they get other benefits and discounts. Rod & Gun clubs or NH Lakes should take a look at what the NHSA did. It's a good model, and legislators love to vote for programs that are 1) Voluntary 2) successful 3) profitable 4) run by volunteers, not a state agency.
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