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Old 02-13-2019, 07:57 AM   #1
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Default Proposal to add sand to Weirs Beach

It seems like this is more difficult than it needs to be when all the city is trying to do is improve a resource. And as to the policy or regulation that says since the city will "reduce the size of the lake" and that requires compensation.....................Really?

"A $70,000 study contained recommendations for how much sand should be returned, where it should be placed and measures needed to limit further erosion."

"Returning sand to the beach will slightly reduce the size of the lake. The DES mandates that such a reduction be compensated. Potential options for the city could be preservation of land in the area through the creation of a wetland."

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Old 02-13-2019, 08:20 AM   #2
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Default ...... sand .... $3.25/60-lbs

To envision what the Weirs sandy beach would be like if it was totally natural, look at the rocky shoreline that's under the boardwalk, and extend that rocky shoreline all down through the existing, large sandy beach, all the way to the channel. Without no brung-it-in-here sand over these long here, last 89-years ..... it would be what beach? ..... where's the beach? ..... the Weirs without a beach!

Starting way back about 1930, sand from dredging the Weirs' channel, and outside sand pits has been used to build up the sandy beach, so this is nothing new. There's probably people on this forum who were there, at the time, back in 1930, and took a b&w photo of the sand getting dumped.

Bring it on, fix the beach, make it a totally beautiful, luxurious sandy beach that shines twinkly bright in that NH sunshine ..... even on a cloudy day!

For $3.25 the nearby Lowe's has 60-lb bags of all-purpose sand, good for winter snow/ice traction and landscape stuff ..... so why not go to Lowe's for the new sand ...... plus Lowe's will deliver with a 10% discount for the veteran who pays for it ...... making it $2.93/bag ....besides that, Lowe's sometimes has broken, distressed bags for just one dollar ...... just $1.00 .....plus a horrible foam cup of horrible courtesy coffee ...... oopsie-doopsie ...... wrong thread here? ....
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:59 AM   #3
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$70K for a study on sand. Wow Your tax dollars at "work"
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:13 AM   #4
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I know. These studies are ridiculous. They spend as much on studies as they actually do doing things. Studies are the new "thing" in recent years. Or not so recent.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:15 AM   #5
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Default ..... the Maine way for stopping water erosion

How about that Maine way for stopping erosion, by lining the water's edge with 50-lb yellow, heavy paper sacks of concrete. The water seeps through the heavy yellow paper sack bag pretty quick, the concrete sets up under water, and you get a very nicely contoured line of grey concrete hugging the shoreline, stopping erosion, and saving the sandy beach from washing away.

If it works good in Maine, then it should do it here in New Hampshire, too!

Lowe's has 50-lb bags of Quikrete concrete for $3.18 each, and when you buy a pallet of 70-bags, they subtract 30%, plus they will deliver it for free, too.

So, how much does one bag weigh after it has absorbed the water and set up .... does it go from 50-lb to 100-lb, or what? Do not know?

Concrete like this consists of sand, gravel, and cement ...... with water added to make it happen ..... it will set up underwater, in the bag. It all stays inside the bag, and does not leak out into the water. And, the bags are made using biodegradable paper which gets very soft and is easy to scrape away and remove after a day, or two, or three ..... leaving a nice gray blob of concrete that contours the bottom ..... it actually looks fantastic ..... and works totally fabulous ..... very comfy and smooth enough for bare feet under the water, or at the water's edge.
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I"Returning sand to the beach will slightly reduce the size of the lake. The DES mandates that such a reduction be compensated. Potential options for the city could be preservation of land in the area through the creation of a wetland."
This is awesome.

So who exactly get's compensated here? Seems to me that each water front owner should be considering that a reduction in the size of the lake will result in the rise of the lake level and that now adversely effects those that own frontage.

Who in their right mind would purposely "create" a wetland? Are they out of their minds? In fact isn't that illegal? Either way once done forget about anything ever being done further including any required wetland buffer.
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Creating wetlands have long been in DES’s book of mitigation options. But you are correct, after they are created there is little follow up to ensure they survive.


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To envision what the Weirs sandy beach would be like if it was totally natural, look at the rocky shoreline that's under the boardwalk, and extend that rocky shoreline all down through the existing, large sandy beach, all the way to the channel. Without no brung-it-in-here sand over these long here, last 89-years ..... it would be what beach? ..... where's the beach? ..... the Weirs without a beach!
This video posted in another thread shows the beach before the sand was added:

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I feel like this is stating the obvious.... to those not collecting a payday by "studying it"....

Dredge the lake in front of the beach, bring that sand back to shore, dredge the channel along side the beach and bring that sand back to shore.

Send me a check for $50,000 for this solution and keep the other $50,000 to study why this was a problem in the first place.
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This all cracks me up... I say don't add Sand.... no reason to waste money doing a study... The beach wasn't part of the original landscape to begin with.... Just like the state stopped letting people put beaches in at their personal lake front property, The state shouldn't be allowed to do it either, unless they make it a perched beach....

Anyways I am grumpy and I know that... but honestly.... I am tired of seeing the lake abused.... in my opinion home owners and towns should no longer be allowed to add sand, even to existing beaches... this isn't the bahama's or Cancun....

Ok I will stop now....
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but to totally hi-jack the thread -- did you see that small cruiser (at the 44 second mark) and the wake he was throwing !! God forbid that happen today
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http://weirsbeach.com/reasons-to-vis...beach-history/
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I didn't see any topless women in those photos?
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I didn't see any topless women in those photos?
These were much more comfortable.

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This all cracks me up... I say don't add Sand.... no reason to waste money doing a study... The beach wasn't part of the original landscape to begin with....
Neither was the Lakeport dam. If you want to be consistent, shouldn't you want the dam removed?

The power lines weren't part of the "original landscape", either. Get rid of them?
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How about this:

Add sand to the beach.

Remove The Witches.
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Remove The Witches.
ADD sand to the Witches. New sandbar, no neighbors to complain.

Nevermind. Mother Nature will do whatever she wants.
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"Replace"

They should just dredge back the sand that has spilled out.
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Some more old photos from before there was the more familiar beach we recognize today

Library of Congress photo 1906 before there was any kind of a "beach", just rocks and rough shoreline.


Below: Just about the same time frame as the video. Maybe a little bit of sand after the vegetation at the shoreline, but not much of a beach yet.
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