Don't Upset Your Neighbors

WINNOCTURN · 08-29-2008, 10:07 AM

Ossipee Lake WebCam under fire!

You could be NEXT!

Link to Webcam
http://www.canoeking.com/ossipee-lake-cam.htm

brk-lnt · 08-29-2008, 01:08 PM

WTF? Why are people so up in arms over a webcam?

Bear Islander · 08-29-2008, 01:28 PM

I am completely lost on this one.

What is the "nuisance"? The camera shows trees and water? In what way does this disturb the neighbors?

paddler · 08-29-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear Islander

I am completely lost on this one.

What is the "nuisance"? The camera shows trees and water? In what way does this disturb the neighbors?

They are claiming that the boats that occasionally pull up and wave to the webcam, is causing a nuisance.

brk-lnt · 08-29-2008, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paddler

They are claiming that the boats that occasionally pull up and wave to the webcam, is causing a nuisance.

Oh, FFS, people need to turn the stress-o-meter down a few notches.

Bear Islander · 08-29-2008, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paddler

They are claiming that the boats that occasionally pull up and wave to the webcam, is causing a nuisance.

That happens with the BearCam. Two or Three boats a day on a busy weekend. They stay for a few minutes and never come in close.

You can bet the farm its really about something else.

paddler · 08-29-2008, 03:44 PM

There use to be a marker out there that kept most of the boat traffic further out. The marker was taken out last year so now the boats come a lot closer to shore. The webcam was also installed last year, so they believe all the traffic is a result of the cam.

BroadHopper · 08-29-2008, 03:51 PM

The 'Not in my back yard' syndrome?

Pineedles · 08-29-2008, 06:45 PM

Bear Islander,
Two summers ago I was passing through the NWZ opposite your enclave and yelled out Hello Bear Islander, You were on the dock and waved hello. I can't believe people would oppose boats just positioning themselves in front of a webcam and waving. You're right, it has to be something else the neighbors are upset about. Too bad, I like the Ossipee Web Cam, and I love yours. WINNOCTURN I hope common sense wins out.

fatlazyless · 08-29-2008, 07:00 PM

Maybe installing a position spar marker with a very small sign that says:

SMILE

, you're on OSSIPEE LAKE CAM!

No mooning allowed!

paddler · 08-29-2008, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pineedles

Bear Islander,
Two summers ago I was passing through the NWZ opposite your enclave and yelled out Hello Bear Islander, You were on the dock and waved hello. I can't believe people would oppose boats just positioning themselves in front of a webcam and waving. You're right, it has to be something else the neighbors are upset about. Too bad, I like the Ossipee Web Cam, and I love yours. WINNOCTURN I hope common sense wins out.

My neighbor knocked on my door earlier this year and asked me to move the webcam because the boat traffic out front was taking away his right to privacy. I told him that the cam can't be pointed toward the sun and the current position is the only way it would work. He then asked me to take the webcam down. When I refused, he left saying that he would pursue his options.

Just like the BearCam, there are only a couple boats a day on a busy weekend that pull up to the cam. They call their friends and family on their cell phone, wave to the cam, and take off.

Pineedles · 08-29-2008, 08:30 PM

Paddler,

That is too bad that you have neighbors that can't stand an occasional passerby waving.

I guess you can't please everyone. Is the Ossipee Lake cam yours?

hazelnut · 08-29-2008, 08:51 PM

SUCH BS!!!!!!!!!!

The webcams are AWESOME!!!! I can only say that anyone that has a problem with them needs a hooby or something else to do with their time.

BI, ISLAND GIRL, ETC. Thank you thank you so much for the webcams we all love them so much. Paddler where is your cam?

Is this really such a huge issue that people pull up for a few seconds and wave at the camera? I highly doubt it.

ApS · 08-30-2008, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bear Islander

I am completely lost on this one.

What is the "nuisance"? The camera shows trees and water? In what way does this disturb the neighbors?

I wound my way through ice floes one Spring to be the only boat on the Broads that April—and to put myself on "Snake Eyes": still, I remained about ¼-mile off Rattlesnake Island.

On Winnipesaukee, sometimes all it takes is a "For Sale" sign in front of a McMansion to attract dozens of gawkers every day.

Once they get an eyeful, their sudden "hole-shots" interfere with the neighbors' water skiing activities.

I can see the need that some boaters will want themselves fully "on camera" to print out at home later or to e-mail the pics to friends.

(Just not understanding that need.)

BTW: US law has restrictions on an "attractive nuisance", which this particular webcam seems to fit.

tis · 08-30-2008, 07:04 AM

I can't imagine wanting to position themselves in front of a webcam either. In fact, a little one in our family has a fascination for going out in front of Rattlesnake and swimming off the boat in the deep water and all I can think is, where is that webcam, I hope we are not in front of it with the whole world possibly watching! LOL! Any hints so we can stay away from it?

KonaChick · 08-30-2008, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tis

I can't imagine wanting to position themselves in front of a webcam either. In fact, a little one in our family has a fascination for going out in front of Rattlesnake and swimming off the boat in the deep water and all I can think is, where is that webcam, I hope we are not in front of it with the whole world possibly watching! LOL! Any hints so we can stay away from it?

Oh it's fun, we do it sometimes in the winter on the Bear Cam or the Weirs Cam with our snowmobiles. I guess it's kind of like that feeling you're on tv. It's harmless but then again I don't know how I'd feel if my neighbor put one up and boats were coming by to wave at the camera.

gravy boat · 08-30-2008, 04:37 PM

"My neighbor knocked on my door earlier this year and asked me to move the webcam because the boat traffic out front was taking away his right to privacy. "

I just can't get enough of lakefront property owners who think their owning property prohibits others' enjoyment on the water. While there may be some laws somewhere on the books about mooring distances from shore, I can't imagine that boats/vessels are prohibited from idling or floating offshore, no matter the distance, as long as nobody is in physical jeopardy and indecent exposure is not involved. Is your neighboor a celebrity, politician or dignitary? Mitt Romney, right?

Remind him of his option to relocate to a more peaceful, less populated location.

b.fortin.sari · 08-31-2008, 03:35 PM

The scenery is gorgeous - what's the problem?
I'm thrilled to view it from afar in Va. Beach, VA !

I believe a second webCAM should be installed

RI Swamp Yankee · 08-31-2008, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paddler

My neighbor knocked on my door earlier this year and asked me to move the webcam because the boat traffic out front was taking away his right to privacy. ....

Oh MY Gosh !!! there were boats on HIS lake.

Next thing you know there will be cars on the road past his house. The horror of it all, when will it end.

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angela4design · 09-01-2008, 12:51 PM

Yeah, it sounds like there is something else that's going on. Is your neighbor up to mischief?

But, seriously, it's a lake-cam! I mean, if he's in such a hurry to go out on the lake and relax - HE'S DOING IT WRONG!! You can't 'hurry up and relax'! It's laughable!

Wave back... or boaters will start mooning HIS house!

Waterbaby · 09-01-2008, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paddler

My neighbor knocked on my door earlier this year and asked me to move the webcam because the boat traffic out front was taking away his right to privacy.

Now that's just plain silly, to me. For heaven's sakes, he's on a LAKE! If I were lucky enough to own lakefront property, I will fully expect that boats would be going by -- sometimes slowly, perusing the waterfront properties or whatever. If someone wants privacy, they live on a property surrounded by tall shrubs or something, not on waterfront property where any one, at any time, can go by their property and see whatever is going on in the open. Perhaps he's one of those people who has the mindset "I was here first, therefore this lake is mine............."; of course, this is only a guess, not knowing his situation. For that matter, I live on a very busy road which certainly affects my privacy factor, but I don't get all worked up about the traffic going by -- even if they're slowing down for whatever reason. A lake is a thoroughfare for boats, just as a road is for cars.

How did your neighbor know you had the webcam installed, btw?

WINNOCTURN · 09-16-2008, 08:01 AM

From John Howe, owner of the webcam.

David Smith from the Ossipee Lake Alliance contacted me yesterday about the recent articles that were in the newspaper. He has posted an article on their website. You can read the article and public comments

Here is a link to the article:

http://ossipeelake.org/news/2008/09/...ublic-service/

Justenuff · 09-18-2008, 01:48 PM

Sorry Pine Island Guy if I violated your right to privacy with this picture.
Bear Islander, if my wife had been a little quicker with the update, she would have got me streaming by.....
/not enough time in this world wasting it on these issues
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Pine Island Guy · 09-18-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Justenuff

Sorry Pine Island Guy if I violated your right to privacy with this picture.
Bear Islander, if my wife had been a little quicker with the update, she would have got me streaming by.....
/not enough time in this world wasting it on these issues
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I'm always flattered when someone grabs a frame from the webcam. I really put it up there to watch the dock in the winter, but it has attracted many many viewers, which is pretty cool.

We had a "first" on the webcam on 9/6... the Winnipesaukee Belle cruised by loaded with people, stopped right in mid-webcam view and stayed there for about 20 minutes... we could see a wedding in progress and then lot's of cheering and camera flashes at the "i do"... after that she steamed off (the boat, not the bride)! The only thing we could think of was for people who couldn't make it to the wedding they told them to look at it live on the webcam!

Happy that it gets more use than just checking the aquatherm

-PIG

sa meredith · 09-18-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pine Island Guy

I'm always flattered when someone grabs a frame from the webcam. I really put it up there to watch the dock in the winter, but it has attracted many many viewers, which is pretty cool.

We had a "first" on the webcam on 9/6... the Winnipesaukee Belle cruised by loaded with people, stopped right in mid-webcam view and stayed there for about 20 minutes... we could see a wedding in progress and then lot's of cheering and camera flashes at the "i do"... after that she steamed off (the boat, not the bride)! The only thing we could think of was for people who couldn't make it to the wedding they told them to look at it live on the webcam!

Happy that it gets more use than just checking the aquatherm

-PIG

Very ironic...I was recently talking with a friend who is a seasonal lake person, and I knew of two friends she had that were getting married this September. So I asked her last week, if indeed they were now married. And she said yeah, they were married on the 6th on the Winni Belle, which they had hired for the day. Strange I would now read this on the board. Also, the part you wrote about "the bride"....that would be "brides" as in plural, as in, well, you know. It was actually a Civil Union, not a wedding.
Interesting tid bit....

brk-lnt · 09-18-2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sa meredith

It was actually a Civil Union, not a wedding.
Interesting tid bit....

So, now they're unionized? Did they get a wallet card?

sa meredith · 09-18-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by brk-lnt

So, now they're unionized? Did they get a wallet card?

Yep...and all the benefits....20 hours of OT each week (worked or unworked, either way), and benefits forever.
Wonderful things..those unions.
But seriously, it was two women. Very nice.

Pine Island Guy · 09-19-2008, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sa meredith

Very ironic...I was recently talking with a friend who is a seasonal lake person, and I knew of two friends she had that were getting married this September. So I asked her last week, if indeed they were now married. And she said yeah, they were married on the 6th on the Winni Belle, which they had hired for the day. Strange I would now read this on the board. Also, the part you wrote about "the bride"....that would be "brides" as in plural, as in, well, you know. It was actually a Civil Union, not a wedding.
Interesting tid bit....

Thanks sa for filling us in on the rest of the story, very nice!!!

PIG

Misty Blue · 09-28-2008, 07:56 PM

Sorry Brother.

I have been work'en, teach'en and wood chop'en for the past two weeks. With a FF throwen in!

Our Boy's fish has Deb's Joy ready for our next Parrot Head convention!

When you see the long neck you will know that everything is A-OK.

Misty Blue.

Skip · 10-07-2008, 08:34 PM

For those of you following this issue, the Town of Ossipee Code Enforcement Officer had ruled the paddler's webcam was not in violation of the Town's zoning ordinances and therefore allowable.

The neighbors subsequently appealed his determination.

Paddler chose not to speak at the hearing held this evening and asked me to represent his family, which I gladly did.

To make a long story short, the ZBA unanimously dtermined that the complaint was not valid and was a civil matter between paddler and the complainant. The Town's Attorney also sided with the Code Enforcement Officer.

Needless to say the webcam lives on, and we are all the better by being allowed to continue to enjoy it's splendor.

We do ask that anyone wishing to check out or appear on the camera be cognizant of the neighbor's valid concerns about close boating in the very shallow waters.

Other than that, thank you John for sticking to your guns and being the gracious webcam host that you are!

chipj29 · 10-08-2008, 06:58 AM

Seriously, I can't even believe this even went to court. Don't the courts have more important things to worry about?

Congrats to the webcam owner!

Waterbaby · 10-09-2008, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip

For those of you following this issue, the Town of Ossipee Code Enforcement Officer had ruled the paddler's webcam was not in violation of the Town's zoning ordinances and therefore allowable.

The neighbors subsequently appealed his determination.

Paddler chose not to speak at the hearing held this evening and asked me to represent his family, which I gladly did.

To make a long story short, the ZBA unanimously dtermined that the complaint was not valid and was a civil matter between paddler and the complainant. The Town's Attorney also sided with the Code Enforcement Officer.

Needless to say the webcam lives on, and we are all the better by being allowed to continue to enjoy it's splendor.

We do ask that anyone wishing to check out or appear on the camera be cognizant of the neighbor's valid concerns about close boating in the very shallow waters.

Other than that, thank you John for sticking to your guns and being the gracious webcam host that you are!

It's always good when "the little guy" wins.

Grant · 10-15-2008, 04:17 PM

I'll confess to mugging in front of the Wolfecam while calling my wife or brother, but I shop in Wolfeboro on a daily basis. But I've never been tempted to seek out a lake webcam. Still, i look at that Broad Bay cam almost every day (especially when my girls are at Huckins), and have seen scant few boats lingering near shore.

Some folks need to take up recreational drinking.

08-29-2008, 10:07 AM	#1
WINNOCTURN Deceased Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Moultonboro Posts: 849 Thanks: 350 Thanked 351 Times in 193 Posts	Don't Upset Your Neighbors Ossipee Lake WebCam under fire! You could be NEXT! Link to Webcam http://www.canoeking.com/ossipee-lake-cam.htm Attached Images Last edited by WINNOCTURN; 08-29-2008 at 12:56 PM.

08-29-2008, 01:08 PM	#2
brk-lnt Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: South Down Shores Posts: 1,937 Thanks: 532 Thanked 568 Times in 334 Posts	WTF? Why are people so up in arms over a webcam? __________________ [insert witty phrase here]

08-29-2008, 03:51 PM	#8
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,512 Thanks: 3,118 Thanked 1,090 Times in 784 Posts	Could it be? The 'Not in my back yard' syndrome? __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

08-29-2008, 06:45 PM	#9
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,535 Thanks: 1,059 Thanked 652 Times in 363 Posts	Saying, How de doo Bear Islander, Two summers ago I was passing through the NWZ opposite your enclave and yelled out Hello Bear Islander, You were on the dock and waved hello. I can't believe people would oppose boats just positioning themselves in front of a webcam and waving. You're right, it has to be something else the neighbors are upset about. Too bad, I like the Ossipee Web Cam, and I love yours. WINNOCTURN I hope common sense wins out.

08-29-2008, 07:00 PM	#10
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,526 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 295 Thanked 957 Times in 698 Posts	Maybe installing a position spar marker with a very small sign that says: SMILE, you're on OSSIPEE LAKE CAM! No mooning allowed! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

08-29-2008, 01:28 PM	#3
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,757 Thanks: 31 Thanked 429 Times in 203 Posts	I am completely lost on this one. What is the "nuisance"? The camera shows trees and water? In what way does this disturb the neighbors?

08-29-2008, 03:44 PM	#7
paddler Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 3 Posts	There use to be a marker out there that kept most of the boat traffic further out. The marker was taken out last year so now the boats come a lot closer to shore. The webcam was also installed last year, so they believe all the traffic is a result of the cam.

08-29-2008, 08:30 PM	#12
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,535 Thanks: 1,059 Thanked 652 Times in 363 Posts	Paddler, That is too bad that you have neighbors that can't stand an occasional passerby waving. I guess you can't please everyone. Is the Ossipee Lake cam yours?

08-29-2008, 08:51 PM	#13
hazelnut Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,348 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 508 Thanked 462 Times in 162 Posts	SUCH BS!!!!!!!!!! The webcams are AWESOME!!!! I can only say that anyone that has a problem with them needs a hooby or something else to do with their time. BI, ISLAND GIRL, ETC. Thank you thank you so much for the webcams we all love them so much. Paddler where is your cam? Is this really such a huge issue that people pull up for a few seconds and wave at the camera? I highly doubt it.

08-30-2008, 07:04 AM	#15
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,408 Thanks: 719 Thanked 1,381 Times in 957 Posts	I can't imagine wanting to position themselves in front of a webcam either. In fact, a little one in our family has a fascination for going out in front of Rattlesnake and swimming off the boat in the deep water and all I can think is, where is that webcam, I hope we are not in front of it with the whole world possibly watching! LOL! Any hints so we can stay away from it?

08-30-2008, 04:37 PM	#17
gravy boat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Gilford year round, West Alton summers Posts: 582 Thanks: 580 Thanked 194 Times in 99 Posts	Paddler -- gotta love the neighboors! "My neighbor knocked on my door earlier this year and asked me to move the webcam because the boat traffic out front was taking away his right to privacy. " I just can't get enough of lakefront property owners who think their owning property prohibits others' enjoyment on the water. While there may be some laws somewhere on the books about mooring distances from shore, I can't imagine that boats/vessels are prohibited from idling or floating offshore, no matter the distance, as long as nobody is in physical jeopardy and indecent exposure is not involved. Is your neighboor a celebrity, politician or dignitary? Mitt Romney, right? Remind him of his option to relocate to a more peaceful, less populated location.

08-31-2008, 03:35 PM	#18
b.fortin.sari Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Virginia Beach, VA and ready to move up north! Posts: 3 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The scenery is gorgeous - what's the problem? I'm thrilled to view it from afar in Va. Beach, VA ! I believe a second webCAM should be installed

09-01-2008, 12:51 PM	#20
angela4design Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Meredith Posts: 353 Thanks: 45 Thanked 54 Times in 38 Posts	Agreed: WTF!!! Yeah, it sounds like there is something else that's going on. Is your neighbor up to mischief? But, seriously, it's a lake-cam! I mean, if he's in such a hurry to go out on the lake and relax - HE'S DOING IT WRONG!! You can't 'hurry up and relax'! It's laughable! Wave back... or boaters will start mooning HIS house!

09-16-2008, 08:01 AM	#22
WINNOCTURN Deceased Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Moultonboro Posts: 849 Thanks: 350 Thanked 351 Times in 193 Posts	Article on the Ossipee Lake Alliance Website From John Howe, owner of the webcam. David Smith from the Ossipee Lake Alliance contacted me yesterday about the recent articles that were in the newspaper. He has posted an article on their website. You can read the article and public comments Here is a link to the article: http://ossipeelake.org/news/2008/09/...ublic-service/

09-18-2008, 01:48 PM	#23
Justenuff Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Wilmington, North Carolina Posts: 74 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Oops, I did it again Sorry Pine Island Guy if I violated your right to privacy with this picture. Bear Islander, if my wife had been a little quicker with the update, she would have got me streaming by..... /not enough time in this world wasting it on these issues

09-28-2008, 07:56 PM	#29
Misty Blue Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 658 Thanks: 121 Thanked 283 Times in 98 Posts	What is missing on the PI cam? Sorry Brother. I have been work'en, teach'en and wood chop'en for the past two weeks. With a FF throwen in! Our Boy's fish has Deb's Joy ready for our next Parrot Head convention! When you see the long neck you will know that everything is A-OK. Misty Blue.

10-07-2008, 08:34 PM	#30
Skip Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dover, NH Posts: 1,615 Thanks: 256 Thanked 514 Times in 182 Posts	Ossipee Lakw webcam lives on! For those of you following this issue, the Town of Ossipee Code Enforcement Officer had ruled the paddler's webcam was not in violation of the Town's zoning ordinances and therefore allowable. The neighbors subsequently appealed his determination. Paddler chose not to speak at the hearing held this evening and asked me to represent his family, which I gladly did. To make a long story short, the ZBA unanimously dtermined that the complaint was not valid and was a civil matter between paddler and the complainant. The Town's Attorney also sided with the Code Enforcement Officer. Needless to say the webcam lives on, and we are all the better by being allowed to continue to enjoy it's splendor. We do ask that anyone wishing to check out or appear on the camera be cognizant of the neighbor's valid concerns about close boating in the very shallow waters. Other than that, thank you John for sticking to your guns and being the gracious webcam host that you are!

10-08-2008, 06:58 AM	#31
chipj29 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bow Posts: 1,874 Thanks: 521 Thanked 308 Times in 162 Posts	Seriously, I can't even believe this even went to court. Don't the courts have more important things to worry about? Congrats to the webcam owner! __________________ Getting ready for winter!

10-15-2008, 04:17 PM	#33
Grant Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pennsyltuckey, Tuftonboro, Moultonborough Posts: 1,485 Thanks: 337 Thanked 212 Times in 116 Posts	I'll confess to mugging in front of the Wolfecam while calling my wife or brother, but I shop in Wolfeboro on a daily basis. But I've never been tempted to seek out a lake webcam. Still, i look at that Broad Bay cam almost every day (especially when my girls are at Huckins), and have seen scant few boats lingering near shore. Some folks need to take up recreational drinking. __________________ "When I die, please don't let my wife sell my dive gear for what I told her I paid for it."