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Old 07-09-2020, 01:01 PM   #1
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Just curious.....state of NH said they were selling face masks at cost at all state liquor stores. They are charging $30 pkg of 50 but I can get the same mask on line for $11 and that's a big savings since we are using so many.
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Is $11 a loss leader price? A state agency may be required to calculate cost differently than just "purchase price".
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Thanks for the warning Gary but they look identical to the ones we've been using. Got some free at the state distribution and paid as much as $35 other places......blue paper masks
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Yet another reason China let their virus escape to the world...they have the mask market cornered...
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Just curious.....state of NH said they were selling face masks at cost at all state liquor stores. They are charging $30 pkg of 50 but I can get the same mask on line for $11 and that's a big savings since we are using so many.
Care to mention where/brand purchased?

I recently bought a 50 pack on line- $26. After ordering I got a notice saying "others who bought this also bought"- 3 ply masks. Do most ads specify this? Didn't see any reference when making my purchase.
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I to bought some masks online quality was junk. Straps came apart while wearing them. I then bought the NH masks and the quality was superior.


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Care to mention where/brand purchased?

I recently bought a 50 pack on line- $26. After ordering I got a notice saying "others who bought this also bought"- 3 ply masks. Do most ads specify this? Didn't see any reference when making my purchase.
Wifey found them.....4 packs of 50 arrived Tuesday

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Yes. Sorry I forgot that from the OP.
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I found some disposable masks on Amazon that are made here. They're more expensive than others (20 for $22.98) but I'm very happy to pay more to buy American.

I have a thing about buying American for anything that is near my face. I'm very happy with My Pillow because of its design but more importantly because it is made in the USA. We bought a Tempurpedic mattress for the same reason. Where do you think Bobopedic is made? Not in the USA.
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This is a really important point that ApS and TW illustrate--a significant number of researchers think there's a good chance that opening up with masks might be no riskier than staying closed without masks. It's too early to know for sure, and that is assuming 100% of people wearing masks, but this is something for us to watch
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Walmart and Sam's will require masks starting 7/20

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...19/5442415002/

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Yet another reason to avoid that dump full of Chinese junk! I hope this spawns the re-birth of the Mom & Pop shops.
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On the lighter side: https://babylonbee.com/news/walmart-...-to-wear-pants

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I am not a fan of wearing masks...they are annoying...but I wear one when going into a store because we’re supposed to...and maybe they protect me and others from the dreaded Covid virus...maybe. Anyhow, I stopped in to Skelleys a short while ago....the place was a madhouse....and very few were wearing masks or making any attempt to social distance. Got my stuff and exited to parking lot, which was full of out of state license plates. My message to them, and to everyone: if you are going to leave home, which might be in a Covid-19 infested state, and escape to N.H., where the numbers are pretty good, would you mind COVERING YOUR FACE with a MASK so that we don’t have to inhale your germs? Maybe a mask helps, and may it doesn’t, but it can’t hurt. Besides it hides wrinkles in old ladies, which is a side benefit.
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I am not a fan of wearing masks...they are annoying...but I wear one when going into a store because we’re supposed to...and maybe they protect me and others from the dreaded Covid virus...maybe. Anyhow, I stopped in to Skelleys a short while ago....the place was a madhouse....and very few were wearing masks or making any attempt to social distance. Got my stuff and exited to parking lot, which was full of out of state license plates. My message to them, and to everyone: if you are going to leave home, which might be in a Covid-19 infested state, and escape to N.H., where the numbers are pretty good, would you mind COVERING YOUR FACE with a MASK so that we don’t have to inhale your germs? Maybe a mask helps, and may it doesn’t, but it can’t hurt. Besides it hides wrinkles in old ladies, which is a side benefit.
I agree with your approach to masks...now if only the real NH residents would agree with mask using. It isn’t only the “others.”
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I am not a fan of wearing masks...they are annoying...but I wear one when going into a store because we’re supposed to...and maybe they protect me and others from the dreaded Covid virus...maybe. Anyhow, I stopped in to Skelleys a short while ago....the place was a madhouse....and very few were wearing masks or making any attempt to social distance. Got my stuff and exited to parking lot, which was full of out of state license plates. My message to them, and to everyone: if you are going to leave home, which might be in a Covid-19 infested state, and escape to N.H., where the numbers are pretty good, would you mind COVERING YOUR FACE with a MASK so that we don’t have to inhale your germs? Maybe a mask helps, and may it doesn’t, but it can’t hurt. Besides it hides wrinkles in old ladies, which is a side benefit.
Same thing at pier 19 store, employees and patrons not wearing masks. If your health is important to you I would suggest avoiding these places. Funny that at hunters in wolfeboro 100 percent wearing masks the last few times I have been there.

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Same thing at pier 19 store, employees and patrons not wearing masks. If your health is important to you I would suggest avoiding these places. Funny that at hunters in wolfeboro 100 percent wearing masks the last few times I have been there.

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Yes--I have noticed the same--Skelley's and Pier 19 are not masked in general, Hunter's and EM Heath are masked in general. I think this is the leadership of each store. Certain places broadcast the masked vibe, and certain others do not.

Examples: When you let your employees pull their masks down over their chins, you are broadcasting a non-masked vibe. When you teach your employees to use latex gloves and to gently chide customers (like me) who absent-mindedly walk the wrong way down one-way aisles, you are broadcasting a masked vibe.

Skelley's has been a terrific store for years, and Pier 19 looks like they've invested a ton of money. I'm sad to report that I am doing all I can to avoid them.
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He wore a mask once. And that was in a hospital. They probably told home he had to or couldn't enter.
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We went to the Hannaford in Meredith on Thursday and it was pretty busy. Almost everyone wore masks but some couldn't follow the arrows and distancing wasn't working. We're coming back for a couple more weeks in August and we're going to do a pick-up at Walmart instead of going back to Hannaford. It was just uncomfortable when compared to the Hannaford in Bedford we usually shop at.
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He wore a mask once. And that was in a hospital. They probably told home he had to or couldn't enter.
The fact that he acquiesced and is now saying "masks are great in the right locations" is a fair shift from retweeting columns about masks as "slavery" and "social control."

Just noticing the shift. He absolutely can't win the anti-mask thing—there's too much evidence showing their impact.

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Yes--I have noticed the same--Skelley's and Pier 19 are not masked in general, Hunter's and EM Heath are masked in general. I think this is the leadership of each store. Certain places broadcast the masked vibe, and certain others do not.

Examples: When you let your employees pull their masks down over their chins, you are broadcasting a non-masked vibe. When you teach your employees to use latex gloves and to gently chide customers (like me) who absent-mindedly walk the wrong way down one-way aisles, you are broadcasting a masked vibe.

Skelley's has been a terrific store for years, and Pier 19 looks like they've invested a ton of money. I'm sad to report that I am doing all I can to avoid them.
It seems we’re spending lots of time at Skelleys lately.....gas for jet skis and boat...so we were there again this morning....the place was mobbed.... people, cars, trucks everywhere....and while I sat, perched in the car....
birds eye view of the doors....at least 50 people entered and exited, and only TWO wore masks. For now, no more Skelleys for us except for gas. Again, I am not a cheerleader for masks, but it’s considered almost disrespectful to barge into a busy place with no mask...I know....herd mentality....but just trying to be cautious.
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The whole thing about sitting and watching what others are doing and not doing and is frightening. NH has and will continue to be a state that allows a bit more freedom then others. Those individuals that have all this free time I have wood that needs splitting and a shed that can to painted. Also, open carry while not wearing a mask appears to keep the crowd noise down. Just saying


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If we old/vulnerable people are responsible for ourselves, then careful observation of these issues is our responsibility.

Not overdoing it at all.

And it is useful to know which places seem safer than others; I appreciate the information the Forum provides.

It just is not always political.
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Face masks have been discussed thoroughly, but the best point I have heard was made by Sue Doe-nym, "but it can't hurt". Sure, everyone has an opinion, and, just like anything else in life, there are two (or more) sides to the issue, but Sue Doe-nym, basically, ends the discussion.
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Don't all people sit and watch while their SO is pumping gas? Nothing frightening about that. Also nothing unusual about wanting to stay away from a place where others are not social distancing.

Injecting guns into this conversation? That is kind of weird, but I guess so is walking around your local store with one strapped to your side (just in case!)
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The fact that he acquiesced and is now saying "masks are great in the right locations" is a fair shift from retweeting columns about masks as "slavery" and "social control."

Just noticing the shift. He absolutely can't win the anti-mask thing—there's too much evidence showing their impact.

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But he can certainly “win” the freedom “thing” and that’s the bottom line.
I’m against (and hate) the restriction of a mask but I do “comply” if I have to...just like our president. I do, however, try to avoid the mask situations so by my absence, I’m doing my part.
By the way, there is plenty of “evidence” saying masks do absolutely nothing as well...just sayin’
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Unhappy Whats actually going on, what are we doing, what are we actually trying to accomplish

Given that this thread has already taken a left turn from its origin I don’t feel too bad adding to that deviation, but will try to do so without burning the forum down.

So my concern is what are we trying to do with all these masks?

Originally we are all told we needed to slow the spread and keep the hospital ICUs from becoming overloaded. This was going to be a few weeks, and we are all horrified. But now its been months with no end in sight and many people are using the term the new normal, with discussions about every one wearing masks all day long, all the time, forever more going forward.

So what happened to slowing the spread?

How did it become “stop or kill” the virus?

Do we really think we can stop or kill any virus?

Some are saying this is the new norm until we have a vaccine.

Will this all stop once there is a vaccine?

Do people realize that when speaking of flu viruses, roughly only half the population get the flu shot, and when we are lucky and it’s a “good” vaccine, its still only roughly 40% effective?

Do we realize that not all, but way too much of whats being discussed and proposed in the media and by self-proclaimed experts is NOT backed up by actual in depth scientific study, the universal standard being a double-blind study that takes time to conduct and time to review and time to agree upon and document the findings, as opposed to the current zero time pronouncements.

Personally I am feeling like a sheep, I am following what I am told to do, where masks (most of the time) social distance (most of the time) minimizing my activities and staying home.

And in truth, and as I now see no end in sight, I am also starting to feel like I have been listening to people who are selling me snake oil.

The original notion of slowing the spread to reduce impact to the hospital ICUs made sense, but I don’t know if I buy into the beat the virus, kill the virus, new normal, etc,,,

Feeling really confused, not protected, not better, not confident in ANYTHING I am now hearing.

Am I the only one who isn’t totally anchored in one camp or the other; the remain locked down until forever if needed until someone tells us we are now ok to return to the old normal camp, or the this is all nonsense there is nothing to worry about camp,,,

Starting to feel like I am in between 2 markers on the lake, and wondering if I should be on the outside of either of them, and not happy about or satisfied about anything the people on the boat are telling me.

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Yes, I agree 100%. My new name for these snake oil salesmen is “MASK-HOLES”.
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Given that this thread has already taken a left turn from its origin I don’t feel too bad adding to that deviation, but will try to do so without burning the forum down.

So my concern is what are we trying to do with all these masks?

Originally we are all told we needed to slow the spread and keep the hospital ICUs from becoming overloaded. This was going to be a few weeks, and we are all horrified. But now its been months with no end in sight and many people are using the term the new normal, with discussions about every one wearing masks all day long, all the time, forever more going forward.

So what happened to slowing the spread?

How did it become “stop or kill” the virus?

Do we really think we can stop or kill any virus?

Some are saying this is the new norm until we have a vaccine.

Will this all stop once there is a vaccine?

Do people realize that when speaking of flu viruses, roughly only half the population get the flu shot, and when we are lucky and it’s a “good” vaccine, its still only roughly 40% effective?

Do we realize that not all, but way too much of whats being discussed and proposed in the media and by self-proclaimed experts is NOT backed up by actual in depth scientific study, the universal standard being a double-blind study that takes time to conduct and time to review and time to agree upon and document the findings, as opposed to the current zero time pronouncements.

Personally I am feeling like a sheep, I am following what I am told to do, where masks (most of the time) social distance (most of the time) minimizing my activities and staying home.

And in truth, and as I now see no end in sight, I am also starting to feel like I have been listening to people who are selling me snake oil.

The original notion of slowing the spread to reduce impact to the hospital ICUs made sense, but I don’t know if I buy into the beat the virus, kill the virus, new normal, etc,,,

Feeling really confused, not protected, not better, not confident in ANYTHING I am now hearing.

Am I the only one who isn’t totally anchored in one camp or the other; the remain locked down until forever if needed until someone tells us we are now ok to return to the old normal camp, or the this is all nonsense there is nothing to worry about camp,,,

Starting to feel like I am in between 2 markers on the lake, and wondering if I should be on the outside of either of them, and not happy about or satisfied about anything the people on the boat are telling me.
You are definitely not the only one not anchored in one camp or the other. This whole thing is confusing, and all we can do is be as cautious as possible without being a nut case. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if sometime soon, we could look in a rear view mirror, and be relieved that this pandemic was nothing but a terrible memory, but finished?
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This thread is about masks. The president of the United States—the person who governs and sets the tone for the whole of America—has, until recently, decided, visibly, not to wear one AND has argued against them.

I simply asked if someone who has been vocally anti-mask and pro-Trump would reconsider.

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I'm not discussing political ramifications, nor am I taking a side, nor am I criticizing the person/people I was referring to—I'm asking if someone would change their behavior given a change in circumstance. If you, or others, see that as political, I apologize.

(In hindsight, however, this thread was not the one I originally thought it was—this one is about buying, not wearing, masks, so I apologize to the OP.)

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Starting to feel like I am in between 2 markers on the lake, and wondering if I should be on the outside of either of them, and not happy about or satisfied about anything the people on the boat are telling me.
Yes--it's a bummer. But we as a society are like a rookie captain on the lake with a couple of inexperienced buddies, as you so aptly put it--we have not done this before. Accepting that, we have a basic choice. Option 1--we can listen to our pesky egghead friend (let's call him Tony) who has read extensively on seamanship, aced the boater ed course, and has memorized Bizer. Option 2--we can listen to our supremely confident friend (let's call him Don) who has none of Tony's background, really wants to get back to the party on the other side of The Broads ASAP, and isn't worried about the ominous weather report delivered by some other eggheads.

I share your discomfort and frustration with Tony, Don, and the rest of the world. But there's no question--I'm taking Tony's advice to get me home safely.
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Yes--it's a bummer. But we as a society are like a rookie captain on the lake with a couple of inexperienced buddies, as you so aptly put it--we have not done this before. Accepting that, we have a basic choice. Option 1--we can listen to our pesky egghead friend (let's call him Tony) who has read extensively on seamanship, aced the boater ed course, and has memorized Bizer. Option 2--we can listen to our supremely confident friend (let's call him Don) who has none of Tony's background, really wants to get back to the party on the other side of The Broads ASAP, and isn't worried about the ominous weather report delivered by some other eggheads.

I share your discomfort and frustration with Tony, Don, and the rest of the world. But there's no question--I'm taking Tony's advice to get me home safely.
Not sure those options represent what the world is offering us in the current pandemic. It would be nice if it were as clear cut at that, but for me its much more confusing as the endless stream of talking heads fill the airwaves 24 hrs/day with finger pointing and political mudslinging. When the so called express tell you that you need to do something drastic for a short period to avoid a major crisis, then you do it, and the crisis happens anyway, then they tell you that you didn’t do it long enough, or well enough and now you will need to endure the change for much longer than expected, or indefinitely, well you start to lose faith in those people and that system.

Are we better off for all we have done?

Some say yes and claim it would have been much worse if we had not done it, while others say you have accomplished nothing and worse yet you have compounded the matter by these bad choices.

So who do you believe?

The people who were wrong in the length and scope and depth of what was needed and continue to blindly follow them to no foreseeable end point?

Or do you make a 180 degree u-turn and jump on the bandwagon of the people who say its not real or not a big deal or we are doing the opposite of what we should be doing, despite the significant numbers of sick and dead people?

This is a mess and a disaster of epic proportions and there is no clear path out of this medical and political tarpit.

Most disappointing to me, I see politicians at every level using this event as a political forum and for their own advantage. I have not yet seen one that I felt was 100% honest, and acting in the best interest of everyone who they represent.

I also see the media as shameless appalling profiteers. Gone are actual journalists.

I am so sick and fed up with opinion news and news anchors trying to tell me what to think.

And god help us all for all the pseudo news commentary people and their ½ hour popularity contests. I would rather watch the 3 Stooges or Bugs Bunny than any of these cable TV idiots that the world relies on to think for them. Make a bold statement, mock some politician up to and including the president, crack a smile and a joke and you get followers and ratings and credibility.

The world is not a better place because of CNN, MSN, FOX News, Rachel Maddow, Trevor Noah, Jon Stewart, Glenn Beck, Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Rush Limbaugh, or any of the countless shameless self-promoting idiots the networks promote in their quest for more viewership and more profit. We survive in spite of these bozos.

Sorry, just very frustrated.

Feeling bad for people suffering the virus, and people suffering because of the restrictions. My barber of over 22 years closed down because of this mess. That alone leaves me angry and frustrated, let alone all the other problems. in a personal gesture of solidarity for my barber, i may never get another hair cut,,,

Sorry way off,,,
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Trust no one but yourself. Just do what you feel you need to do to keep you and your family safe. It seems like everyone has an agenda and will lie through their teeth to get people to follow them.

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Not sure those options represent what the world is offering us in the current pandemic. It would be nice if it were as clear cut at that, but for me its much more confusing as the endless stream of talking heads fill the airwaves 24 hrs/day with finger pointing and political mudslinging. When the so called express tell you that you need to do something drastic for a short period to avoid a major crisis, then you do it, and the crisis happens anyway, then they tell you that you didn’t do it long enough, or well enough and now you will need to endure the change for much longer than expected, or indefinitely, well you start to lose faith in those people and that system.

Are we better off for all we have done?

Some say yes and claim it would have been much worse if we had not done it, while others say you have accomplished nothing and worse yet you have compounded the matter by these bad choices.

So who do you believe?

The people who were wrong in the length and scope and depth of what was needed and continue to blindly follow them to no foreseeable end point?

Or do you make a 180 degree u-turn and jump on the bandwagon of the people who say its not real or not a big deal or we are doing the opposite of what we should be doing, despite the significant numbers of sick and dead people?

This is a mess and a disaster of epic proportions and there is no clear path out of this medical and political tarpit.

Most disappointing to me, I see politicians at every level using this event as a political forum and for their own advantage. I have not yet seen one that I felt was 100% honest, and acting in the best interest of everyone who they represent.

I also see the media as shameless appalling profiteers. Gone are actual journalists.

I am so sick and fed up with opinion news and news anchors trying to tell me what to think.

And god help us all for all the pseudo news commentary people and their ½ hour popularity contests. I would rather watch the 3 Stooges or Bugs Bunny than any of these cable TV idiots that the world relies on to think for them. Make a bold statement, mock some politician up to and including the president, crack a smile and a joke and you get followers and ratings and credibility.

The world is not a better place because of CNN, MSN, FOX News, Rachel Maddow, Trevor Noah, Jon Stewart, Glenn Beck, Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Rush Limbaugh, or any of the countless shameless self-promoting idiots the networks promote in their quest for more viewership and more profit. We survive in spite of these bozos.

Sorry, just very frustrated.

Feeling bad for people suffering the virus, and people suffering because of the restrictions. My barber of over 22 years closed down because of this mess. That alone leaves me angry and frustrated, let alone all the other problems. in a personal gesture of solidarity for my barber, i may never get another hair cut,,,

Sorry way off,,,
The best advice I can give you is to stop watching CNN, MSN, FOX News, Rachel Maddow, Trevor Noah, Jon Stewart, Glenn Beck, Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Rush Limbaugh, or any of the countless shameless self-promoting idiots the networks promote in their quest for more viewership and more profit. You may continue to watch the 3 Stooges or Bugs Bunny.
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Working on it,,, Someone much smarter than me once told me, life is imperfect at best, and so are you, but keep working on it you "might" get better.

So far, I remain the eternal optimist, but shrouded in layers of pessimism. So as you might expect, inline with my not being perfect, I am also sometimes hard to live with. Too often frustrated by the world around me, usually happiest when anchored somewhere on Winnipesaukee, sitting in some float with a toe line connected to the boat (I'm the only one who currently operates boats in the family, so if I floated away, they could neither come get me nor go home )
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Not sure those options represent what the world is offering us in the current pandemic. It would be nice if it were as clear cut at that, but for me its much more confusing as the endless stream of talking heads fill the airwaves 24 hrs/day with finger pointing and political mudslinging. When the so called express tell you that you need to do something drastic for a short period to avoid a major crisis, then you do it, and the crisis happens anyway, then they tell you that you didn’t do it long enough, or well enough and now you will need to endure the change for much longer than expected, or indefinitely, well you start to lose faith in those people and that system.

Are we better off for all we have done?

Some say yes and claim it would have been much worse if we had not done it, while others say you have accomplished nothing and worse yet you have compounded the matter by these bad choices.

So who do you believe?

The people who were wrong in the length and scope and depth of what was needed and continue to blindly follow them to no foreseeable end point?

Or do you make a 180 degree u-turn and jump on the bandwagon of the people who say its not real or not a big deal or we are doing the opposite of what we should be doing, despite the significant numbers of sick and dead people?

This is a mess and a disaster of epic proportions and there is no clear path out of this medical and political tarpit.

Most disappointing to me, I see politicians at every level using this event as a political forum and for their own advantage. I have not yet seen one that I felt was 100% honest, and acting in the best interest of everyone who they represent.

I also see the media as shameless appalling profiteers. Gone are actual journalists.

I am so sick and fed up with opinion news and news anchors trying to tell me what to think.

And god help us all for all the pseudo news commentary people and their ½ hour popularity contests. I would rather watch the 3 Stooges or Bugs Bunny than any of these cable TV idiots that the world relies on to think for them. Make a bold statement, mock some politician up to and including the president, crack a smile and a joke and you get followers and ratings and credibility.

The world is not a better place because of CNN, MSN, FOX News, Rachel Maddow, Trevor Noah, Jon Stewart, Glenn Beck, Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Rush Limbaugh, or any of the countless shameless self-promoting idiots the networks promote in their quest for more viewership and more profit. We survive in spite of these bozos.

Sorry, just very frustrated.

Feeling bad for people suffering the virus, and people suffering because of the restrictions. My barber of over 22 years closed down because of this mess. That alone leaves me angry and frustrated, let alone all the other problems. in a personal gesture of solidarity for my barber, i may never get another hair cut,,,

Sorry way off,,,
Nobody's perfect, and it's always unpleasant watching sausage being made. But there's a big difference between acting like a politician when you're on the side of virtually all of the public health experts, and acting like a politician when you're ignoring all the public health experts.

But there have been excellent leaders during this difficult time--the Republican Governors of New Hampshire and Massachusetts, and the Democratic Governor of Rhode Island--just to name a few nearby. I think that all these folks have done pretty well with the hands they were dealt, and I don't think they exaggerated the danger or overpromised on what would happen with sacrifice. All 3 of their states have done WAY better than average.

Too often, politicians who have been obviously and grossly wrong try to spread the blame and deflect by saying everyone's at fault, nobody knows what to do. That's a lot of the noise you're hearing on the TV shows you really should stop watching
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I guess I'm not all that confused. MA and NH, and the countries that have reopened successfully, have the same things in common. Virus infection = distance + saturation + time - remediation.

As a result, my family is living mostly normal. We're going to restaurants, dining outside at some, inside at others; grocery and other stores; entertainment venues (Southwick's Zoo and Mel's Funway last week); group events (Cub Scouts, father-daughter activities); birthday parties, etc.

We stay socially distant, wearing masks when inside; wash our hands frequently; don't touch our faces (whenever we can help it); and minimize our time in enclosed/highly saturated places. It's not brain science.

The trick, really, will be dealing with high-saturation/respiration/time places like schools and bars and, to keep this on topic lest the Top-Water Topic Police show up, how to pay for and manage wearing masks and other remediations.

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I guess I'm not all that confused. MA and NH, and the countries that have reopened successfully, have the same things in common. Virus infection = distance + saturation + time - remediation.

As a result, my family is living mostly normal. We're going to restaurants, dining outside at some, inside at others; grocery and other stores; entertainment venues (Southwick's Zoo and Mel's Funway last week); group events (Cub Scouts, father-daughter activities); birthday parties, etc.

We stay socially distant, wearing masks when inside; wash our hands frequently; don't touch our faces (whenever we can help it); and minimize our time in enclosed/highly saturated places. It's not brain science.

The trick, really, will be dealing with high-saturation/respiration/time places like schools and bars and, to keep this on topic lest the Top-Water Topic Police show up, how to pay for and manage wearing masks and other remediations.

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Agree with you... but as with much in life, some of NH, MA low levels are due to luck and continuing low levels require at least most of the population taking some measures of continued vigilance. Hubris usually fails.

The overall issues are not that complicated. On any issue of importance, I usually eliminate the opinions of the outliers on either end. Most of the time the consensus of experts, regardless of issue....from plumbers to epidemiologists is the best path.

AND....the consensus may change overtime as more accurate information becomes available. Who would have guessed 10 years ago the preponderance of pontoons as new boat purchases? Or the popularity of SUVs.

It’s not rocket science but it is medical/epidemiological science.

Of course, the outliers are sometimes correct...but this is rarely the case. When practicing, I always recommended second opinions and sometimes third on difficult issues.

This disaster we are dealing with is, IMO, purposeful or not, caused by the lack of clear, accurate communication.
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I am not a fan of wearing masks...they are annoying...but I wear one when going into a store because we’re supposed to...and maybe they protect me and others from the dreaded Covid virus...maybe. Anyhow, I stopped in to Skelleys a short while ago....the place was a madhouse....and very few were wearing masks or making any attempt to social distance. Got my stuff and exited to parking lot, which was full of out of state license plates. My message to them, and to everyone: if you are going to leave home, which might be in a Covid-19 infested state, and escape to N.H., where the numbers are pretty good, would you mind COVERING YOUR FACE with a MASK so that we don’t have to inhale your germs? Maybe a mask helps, and may it doesn’t, but it can’t hurt. Besides it hides wrinkles in old ladies, which is a side benefit.
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It's no worse than most of your screeds.
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I’m not a fan of masks either. They’re annoying. So I don’t wear one. If I get the flu, that’s what happens: I get the flu. If you want to follow the crowd so as to fit in, and you think the flu is in search of you, then stay home for a year. In the meantime don’t drive a car or walk down the street because you might get hurt. Be consistent. Don’t expect the majority of thinking people to kowtow to the sheep mentality.

I agree with the Three Stooges and Bugs Bunny recommendation.


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The majority of thinking people realize the propriety of masking, social distancing, and hand washing.

It's those minority hold outs that are the problem today.
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It's those minority hold outs that are the problem today.
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Yesterday, July 20, was the first day for Walmart to require masks and not just recommend masks. Everyone I saw inside the Plymouth store was wearing a mask.

Positioned where you first walk in, they had a display of masks for sale made by Hanes and some other brand.

For $7.50, there's a Hanes 5-pak of masks, 3-ply 100% cotton, black or white, washable and reusable, "shall not be used in a clinical setting where the infection risk level through inhalation is high", dispose after 20 washes, one size fits most, made in Vietnam.

Feels like a good, comfy, well made, sturdy mask that can be washed for $1.50-each ...... a bargain at twice the price ...... and, the lungs you protect could be your own!

July 21, subscription not needed..... http://www.concordmonitor.com/covid-...shire-35320225 ...... chart shows one day, July 20, NH corona increase?
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“The holdouts” as you describe them, are a silent majority of independent thinkers that do not alter their core, ideals and beliefs over a “tweet”
Simply put, this man, our president, is our only choice to attempt to prevent our great country from falling into the hands of socialists, radicals and others that want to create a “new world order” at the expense of the beliefs and ideals that made America the greatest country on the planet.
Could you be so naive as to “think” any differently?
The only answer to your random “wonderings” is a resounding NO!
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I’m not a fan of masks either. They’re annoying. So I don’t wear one. If I get the flu, that’s what happens: I get the flu. If you want to follow the crowd so as to fit in, and you think the flu is in search of you, then stay home for a year. In the meantime don’t drive a car or walk down the street because you might get hurt. Be consistent. Don’t expect the majority of thinking people to kowtow to the sheep mentality.

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Your post is satire right? COVID-19 is not the flu. The flu is caused by a strain of the influenza virus....a thinking person should know this. Thinking people don’t wear masks? Mask wearers are sheep? Well I hope if you get your “flu” you don’t become seriously ill and seek care at a hospital. Hospitals are filled with unthinking mask wearing sheep! You certainly can’t trust your health and recovery to them! You mention the dangers of driving. I suppose as a “thinking person” you ignore speed limits, red lights, and stop signs? If you’re obeying them I guess you’re just a sheep driving a car? Maybe you’re OK with following laws....and this is why society (aka: the sheep) are forced to enact laws in order to clearly spell out to the thinking people what is right and what is wrong. If your post wasn’t satire then I thank you! Now I understand why laws governing seatbelt use, cellphone use, and drunk driving exist! It’s because the thinking people are spending too much time thinking and need some very clear guidance in the form of laws. Sad that so much has to be mandated.
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If you hate wearing a mask, you're really not going to like the ventilator
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It's no worse than most of your screeds.
Unfortunately, as a descriptive, it doesn't apply to a five word sentence.
However, your post implies that you agree with me, just on a different level.

My response to the poster revolves around the "annoyance" of wearing a mask- because we should- and the fact that it may, or may not, help deter the spread of the virus. Plus the poster's observation (feeling) that others are being inconsiderate.

So... do we wear masks because we want to (it's the right thing to do, as individuals)?- Or because we should- leaving it up to the rest of society?

I understand that the poster was trying to make a point- but no point was made- making the post "absurd".

Besides: It helps hide wrinkles?

Thank you for your understanding, friend (seems to work for others in contentious posts).

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Thank you for your understanding, friend (seems to work for others in contentious posts).
While the efficacy of masks worn to prevent the wearer from contracting the virus has not been proven, their value in preventing wearers who are infected from easily spreading the virus seems clear.

It we all wear masks, maintain social distancing, avoid touching our face and wash / sanitize our hands frequently: how can the virus then continue to spread?

We have to do something to slow it down until a vaccine is available, or else the death toll will spike, hospitals will run out of capacity to effectively treat patients, and we'll be the world's poster child for inept governmental / societal response to this clear and present danger.

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Here's an interesting article from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. Article also references info from several other "respected" sources.

No face diapers for me, thank you. Feel free to move about with yours on though....

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

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Here's an interesting article from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. Article also references info from several other "respected" sources.

No face diapers for me, thank you. Feel free to move about with yours on though....

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

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Probably worth at least looking into the AAPS. They also say that there is a casual relationship between vaccines and autism.
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So, here's the opposite from the AMA,

"Public masking during the COVID-19 pandemic is one of the most effective measures we can take to contain the spread of the virus. The American Medical Association strongly advocates for coronavirus masking in public spaces".

www.ama-assn.org/topics/coronavirus-masking-public
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So, here's the opposite from the AMA,

"Public masking during the COVID-19 pandemic is one of the most effective measures we can take to contain the spread of the virus. The American Medical Association strongly advocates for coronavirus masking in public spaces".

www.ama-assn.org/topics/coronavirus-masking-public
Just like Burger King, you can have it your way. I'll take AAPS with a side of fries and a Diet Coke. You can take AMA, with whatever else you want with it.
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Here's an interesting article from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. Article also references info from several other "respected" sources.

No face diapers for me, thank you. Feel free to move about with yours on though....

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

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OK, we get it. You don't wear a mask and think its a waste of time. But do you have to be insulting and condescending to others who don't share your views?
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OK, we get it. You don't wear a mask and think its a waste of time. But do you have to be insulting and condescending to others who don't share your views?
So...to your thinking, expressing one's own point of view that doesn't agree with yours is insulting and condescending but everyone that has thrown out verbal slings and barbs from the "other" side are not?
This argument cannot be won, by either side. Express your view and go on about your business.
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Founded in 1944, it has about 5,000 members. Has promoted:
  • The belief that HIV does not cause AIDS
  • Being gay reduces life expectancy
  • There is a link between abortions and breast cancer
  • There is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism

The AAPS was formed in 1944 in opposition to the Wagner-Murray-Dingell Bill proposing government health care to most US citizens. it is a political-economic rather than a medical group. The AAPS opposes electronic medical records and takes the position that the FDA and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services are unconstitutional. In 2005 they published an article stating that 'anchor babies' from illegal aliens had, in 3 years, swollen the number of leprosy cases in the US by 7,000 (as it turns out there were 7,000 cases of leprosy cases in the US over the course of 30 years, not 3).

Soooo....I'm not really going to take what the AAPS says seriously.

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Founded in 1944, it has about 5,000 members. Has promoted:
  • The belief that HIV does not cause AIDS
  • Being gay reduces life expectancy
  • There is a link between abortions and breast cancer
  • There is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism

The AAPS was formed in 1944 in opposition to the Wagner-Murray-Dingell Bill proposing government health care to most US citizens. it is a political-economic rather than a medical group. The AAPS opposes electronic medical records and takes the position that the FDA and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services are unconstitutional. In 2005 they published an article stating that 'anchor babies' from illegal aliens had, in 3 years, swollen the number of leprosy cases in the US by 7,000 (as it turns out there were 7,000 cases of leprosy cases in the US over the course of 30 years, not 3).

Soooo....I'm not really going to take what the AAPS says seriously.
What took you so long? You don’t think we could come up with an equally descriptive list against AMA?
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Mr. Hillcountry, MY view is that calling a mask a face diaper is insulting and condescending.

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What took you so long? You don’t think we could come up with an equally descriptive list against AMA?
The only relationship between the AMA and the AAPS is the use of the same alphabet.

You could come up with a list of positions that the AMA has taken which would not be valid today...that is the way things go over time. But the AAPS list was wrong when made and never true.

I am not defending the AMA but trying to compare the AAPS and AMA is just not a valid argument with respect to scientific / medical value.

And just who is the “we” you refer to? Why can’t there be a discussion of individuals without making it a debate between 2 sides.
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What took you so long?
Checking sources, etc. Besides, I don’t want to hog all the fun
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The only relationship between the AMA and the AAPS is the use of the same alphabet.

You could come up with a list of positions that the AMA has taken which would not be valid today...that is the way things go over time. But the AAPS list was wrong when made and never true.

I am not defending the AMA but trying to compare the AAPS and AMA is just not a valid argument with respect to scientific / medical value.

And just who is the “we” you refer to? Why can’t there be a discussion of individuals without making it a debate between 2 sides.
Agreed on "sides". There will never be political consensus between 2 people unless they are the most strident conservative or liberal, even then they would find things to disagree about!

I had never heard of AAPS until this thread.

To the No Mask people, will you mask for work, to go shopping, or to a restaurant? I have typed it before on this forum, but it is amazing how fast we adapted at work to distancing or masking. 95% of the time we stand in a circle talking and everyone naturally goes 6' apart. What was once a tighter circle is looser. If we cant distance we mask. It's really not much of a hardship.
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Mr. Hillcountry, MY view is that calling a mask a face diaper is insulting and condescending.
I thought it hilarious! Difference between you and me.
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I thought it hilarious! Difference between you and me.
Hey Hill,

How can one insult and be condescending to a face mask?? If you can figure that out, please let me know!
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How can one insult and be condescending to a face mask?? If you can figure that out, please let me know!
Face masks matter...I guess?
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I had never heard of AAPS until this thread.
Nor had I and I serve on the board of directors of an international healthcare accrediting organization. We have 23 professional healthcare associations represented on our board and AAPS is not among them nor are they even on our radar as an organization that can assist in creating quality consensus standards for the healthcare community.

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......ain't got no mask to wear inside the store


...... a Plymouth-NH, Walmart health ambassador will give you a mask, just inside their front door
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They are Patriotic now.
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Pfft, I wear a mask in public in closed spaces. Do I really think it helps? Nope. But it doesn't hurt so I do it. Baaaaaa!
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I did...but obviously my comedic and sarcastic intent flew over your head like a Patriot missile...
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Perhaps! I’m going to print up some FMM bumper stickers. Will send you a supply!
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Trump did a 180 and now recommends masks for all, whether social distancing or not.

It's about time, but is it too late?
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Actually, no. You may be able to skip the mask, but you cannot assert there is some sort of equality going on here. Burger King vs McDonalds is a reasonable debate. The American Medical Association vs some quacks who do not believe in vaccines is just pitiful.
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“The holdouts” as you describe them, are a silent majority of independent thinkers that do not alter their core, ideals and beliefs over a “tweet”
Simply put, this man, our president, is our only choice to attempt to prevent our great country from falling into the hands of socialists, radicals and others that want to create a “new world order” at the expense of the beliefs and ideals that made America the greatest country on the planet.
Could you be so naive as to “think” any differently?
The only answer to your random “wonderings” is a resounding NO!
Ironic that you claim to be an independent thinker, and then go on in the very next paragraph to give us a near verbatim read of an all too common propaganda line.
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Verbatim read? No idea what you are talking about. What was the “verbatim read” pray tell?
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While the efficacy of masks worn to prevent the wearer from contracting the virus has not been proven, their value in preventing wearers who are infected from easily spreading the virus seems clear.

It we all wear masks, maintain social distancing, avoid touching our face and wash / sanitize our hands frequently: how can the virus then continue to spread?

We have to do something to slow it down until a vaccine is available, or else the death toll will spike, hospitals will run out of capacity to effectively treat patients, and we'll be the world's poster child for inept governmental / societal response to this clear and present danger.

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Agree- All should "at least" wear masks!
It does seem that the debate over this has waned for the time being. Maybe it'll catch on!
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Verbatim read? No idea what you are talking about. What was the “verbatim read” pray tell?
I do my best to keep my non-lakes region posts to only responding to misinformation, so I'm letting this go.

I hope you'll take your leader's recent advice to heart and wear a mask when you are going to be less than 6' from others
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Here we go AGAIN .
Yeah, my bad—I teach rhetoric and am always following the narrative, so I was interested to see the about-turn Trump started and, as of his last comments yesterday and today, continuing.

It looks like Winn-Dixie reversed their position in the last couple days, which seems to follow along with the change.

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2:18-pm: Wednesday, July 22, 2020

Good afternoon lakes region residents and visitors, here is the latest on the ever changing rules on wearing masks in your lakes region retail stores.

Both Dollar General and Family Dollar have just today changed their policy from 'masks required to masks recommended' presumably to attract new customers from the no-mask people.

Meanwhile: Walmart, Heath's super market and hardware store, Aubuchon, Vista Foods, Hannaford, Market Basket, CVS, Walgreen's, Rite Aid, Marshall's, MacDonald's, Burger King, Irving Gas, and NH State Liquor all require masks for employees and customers.
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Old 07-22-2020, 02:52 PM   #98
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Good afternoon lakes region residents and visitors, here is the latest on the ever changing rules on wearing masks in your lakes region retail stores.

Both Dollar General and Family Dollar have just today changed their policy from 'masks required to masks recommended' presumably to attract new customers from the no-mask people.

Meanwhile: Walmart, Heath's super market and hardware store, Aubuchon, Vista Foods, Hannaford, Market Basket, CVS, Walgreen's, Rite Aid, Marshall's, MacDonald's, Burger King, Irving Gas, and NH State Liquor all require masks for employees and customers.
You forgot Shaw's. Though more expensive, they too require a mask to shop their stores effective 7/21/2020.
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I do my best to keep my non-lakes region posts to only responding to misinformation, so I'm letting this go.

I hope you'll take your leader's recent advice to heart and wear a mask when you are going to be less than 6' from others
Wanna try that again?
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