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Old 11-09-2019, 08:59 PM   #1
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A fatality was just reported by Bear Island, boat crash. Not much more info released yet.

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I saw this on the facebook group and now on WMUR, so tragic.
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Terrible news indeed!

I was on the lake yesterday and it felt like I was the only one out there...unfortunately I was wrong.....

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we haven't heard anything yet about this unfortunate accident. but just saw it on the news.
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Bear Island people are very special. Waiting for more details and keeping my hopes up.
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I was just contacted by the Marine Patrol. The accident was right in front of my cabin. They wanted to know if I recorded images from the BearCam. I don't.
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Brace yourself for more bad news.
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Okay, rather than post ďteasersĒ about a sensitive tragedy, hereís the latest: It now appears this was a collision of two boats and the second vessel has been located with a body. I hear itís another longstanding Bear Island resident but out of deference to the families, I am not naming names.

Letís show a little sensitivity folks.
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Okay, rather than post ďteasersĒ about a sensitive tragedy, hereís the latest: It now appears this was a collision of two boats and the second vessel has been located with a body. I hear itís another longstanding Bear Island resident but out of deference to the families, I am not naming names.

Letís show a little sensitivity folks.

Wow! Such a tragedy... Thank you for the update...

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FYI Dive teams present at Sheps all day. Searching at northern end of Bear. Much to be learned.
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Oh no!!! So that means another person died?????
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Tis, sorry but that is what it appears.
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As a fellow nearby islander, this hits close to home, and i just want to say to these families and the Bear Island community, I am so, so sorry for your losses here.
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Thank you radioman for your reply. How sad. I feel terrible for them.
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Here is the official update:

Two Dead One In Boat Accident

On November 9th, 2019, at approximately 6:11 p.m., the New Hampshire State Police-Marine Patrol was notified of a boating accident with injury on the north side of Bear Island. The initial report indicated the boat had possibly struck bottom.

Fireboats with EMS personnel from Meredith, Gilford, and Laconia responded to the scene along with Officers from Marine Patrol. The boat, a 20 foot Sea Ray, inboard/outboard, was found adrift just north of the Bear Island Post Office.

Aboard the boat was an injured female passenger who was suffering from head injuries. She was transported to the Meredith Town Docks located next to Shep Brownís Boat Basin and later to Lakes Region General Hospital in Laconia with serious but non-life threatening injuries. The operator of the boat, a male, was pronounced dead at the scene.

As the investigation continued throughout the evening and into the following morning, Marine Patrol Investigators determined that there was likely another unidentified vessel or structure involved in the collision. While investigating the cause of the accident, Marine Patrol Officers received a report of a possible missing boater from Bear Island. Evidence collected at the scene was determined to match the description of the missing boaterís vessel.

Marine Patrol Officers and Gilford Fire personnel utilized specialized equipment to conducted grid searches in an effort to isolate the location of the collision. The State Police Air Wing - Helicopter and divers from New Hampshire Fish & Game Department were also utilized to assist with searching the area where the collision was believed to have occurred. Based on this collaborative effort, divers from New Hampshire Fish & Game shortly located the second vessel in approximately 48 feet of water. Moments later, divers also located a deceased male subject within the submerged vessel.

Through the initial evidence obtained at the scene and a witness account, it is believed that the two vessels collided with one another while underway; however, all facts and circumstances surrounding the incident are still under investigation. The names of those involved are being withheld at this time pending notification of next of kin.

New Hampshire State Police Ė Marine Patrol was assisted by Officers from the New Hampshire Fish & Game Department, Gilford Fire & Rescue, the Laconia Fire Department, Meredith Fire and Police Departments and the New Hampshire State Police Air Wing

Marine Patrol is requesting anyone who may have witnessed this incident or may have heard anything on the water in the area of Bear, Pine or Three Mile Islands, to please contact Sergeant Dave Ouellette at Marine Patrol, 603-227-2111.
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Yes, I just saw that. How awful!!
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Thoughts and prayers to all the families involved. So hard to understand with little to no boat traffic this time of year. Such a terrible shame.


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When you learn the names of those involved you will be shocked!
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I think we will all be very sad for the lives lost and for the families left behind....more sad than shocked. Terrible tragedy.
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No matter who it is itís a tragedy but I hope neither were fellow forum members


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Sad story for sure, but how do two boats collide--enough for one to sink--and a passenger and the condition of the boat not make it obvious?

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When you learn the names of those involved you will be shocked!
Is this really necessary? You should either name names, or not say anything, least of all make a little "game" of it with a tease...
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Sad story for sure, but how do two boats collide--enough for one to sink--and a passenger and the condition of the boat not make it obvious?
It was clear from the damage and paint streaks that there had been another boat. But the second boat was an old model with no flotation, and it sank. So it took a while to puzzle out where it was and who it belonged to.

The survivor never saw the second boat - she thought that they had run aground.
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It was clear from the damage and paint streaks that there had been another boat. But the second boat was an old model with no flotation, and it sank. So it took a while to put the pieces together.

The survivor didn't see it coming - and even thought that they had run aground.
My wife and I were just piecing this together and she pointed out that at the time of the incident it would've been dark/getting dark and that the woman might have been confused and disoriented.

This is especially horrible when thinking of that, especially when considering the odds of collision at this time of the year.

My sympathies go out to those affected.

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It was clear from the damage and paint streaks that there had been another boat. But the second boat was an old model with no flotation, and it sank. So it took a while to puzzle out where it was and who it belonged to.

The survivor never saw the second boat - she thought that they had run aground.
Pretty amazing that they found the sunken boat so quick in 48' of water when the only clue to begin the search was the other boat adrift... (unless they had other info to go by that I am not aware of).
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Is this really necessary? You should either name names, or not say anything, least of all make a little "game" of it with a tease...
I agree 100%....this is not a game, and is definitely not entertaining. I cannot imagine what the survivor and other family members are enduring.
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Im going to give radioman the benefit of the doubt. really donít think he was making light of this terrible accident maybe he is suggesting they are long time experienced boaters and surprise this happened.


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This could have been several members of my extended family who have homes on Bear. It wasn’t, thank God. It could have been someone in my direct family - we are often on the lake late in the season. But it was people well known on Bear Island. How about we let the authorities release the names when they know the families have been informed and not sensationalize this tragic accident. Geez. This most certainly is not a game.
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Pretty amazing that they found the sunken boat so quick in 48' of water when the only clue to begin the search was the other boat adrift... (unless they had other info to go by that I am not aware of).
They found it with a towed side scan sonar.

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My thoughts are with those involved, their family and friends, and the Bear Island community. This hurts my heart.


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Very sad and certainly not something you would expect on the lake this time of year with so little boat traffic.
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Very sad and certainly not something you would expect on the lake this time of year with so little boat traffic.
My thoughts are the opposite on "this time of year with so little boat traffic"

I see this time of year as the time where people will stretch the rules because they know there is no one out and less marine patrol presence.

Don't have a spotter, eeh there's no marine patrol out its November, speed limit? Who's going to pull me over its November. 150' foot rule, there's no one home on that island they wont care its post season. It doesn't make any of it right but I feel people will naturally try to get away with what they can and pre and post season are perfect for those people....

Not saying breaking any rules had anything to do with this crash at all. I honestly have no idea what happened.
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My thoughts are the opposite on "this time of year with so little boat traffic"

I see this time of year as the time where people will stretch the rules because they know there is no one out and less marine patrol presence.

Don't have a spotter, eeh there's no marine patrol out its November, speed limit? Who's going to pull me over its November. 150' foot rule, there's no one home on that island they wont care its post season. It doesn't make any of it right but I feel people will naturally try to get away with what they can and pre and post season are perfect for those people....

Not saying breaking any rules had anything to do with this crash at all. I honestly have no idea what happened.
If Biggd was thinking similarly to me, he was thinking more about the numbers game. Statistically, there are close to zero boats to collide with.

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OR take it from somebody who is out there all 4 seasons....

When it comes to being out there this time of year at night it is DARK. Very DARK, the MP has already posted they pulled all the flashers, pretty much all island residents but a mere few are gone, therefore there is nothing to light up anything on a moonless night, especially if there is even the hint of a layer of fog out there. It can be very disorientating out there I know I have been there before. I can tell you unequivocally island residents don't screw around out there at least the ones that are there this time of year. This appears to be a very tragic and unfortunate accident and yes accidents do happen for whatever reason it doesn't always have to be due to carelessness. While I do not know the identities of all involved anyone who recognizes the boat that was initially pictured on the WMUR web site knows at least on party. This is extremely sad and for all of us who are island residents know the special friendships that are forged as a result because we all know and depend on one another.

My sincerest condolences and prayers go out to the families of those involved.
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OR take it from somebody who is out there all 4 seasons....

When it comes to being out there this time of year at night it is DARK. Very DARK, the MP has already posted they pulled all the flashers, pretty much all island residents but a mere few are gone, therefore there is nothing to light up anything on a moonless night, especially if there is even the hint of a layer of fog out there. It can be very disorientating out there I know I have been there before. I can tell you unequivocally island residents don't screw around out there at least the ones that are there this time of year. This appears to be a very tragic and unfortunate accident and yes accidents do happen for whatever reason it doesn't always have to be due to carelessness. While I do not know the identities of all involved anyone who recognizes the boat that was initially pictured on the WMUR web site knows at least on party. This is extremely sad and for all of us who are island residents know the special friendships that are forged as a result because we all know and depend on one another.

My sincerest condolences and prayers go out to the families of those involved.
Well said and so true. Iím on the island late and early in season. Everyone I know is more careful during these times.
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My thoughts are the opposite on "this time of year with so little boat traffic"

I see this time of year as the time where people will stretch the rules because they know there is no one out and less marine patrol presence.

Don't have a spotter, eeh there's no marine patrol out its November, speed limit? Who's going to pull me over its November. 150' foot rule, there's no one home on that island they wont care its post season. It doesn't make any of it right but I feel people will naturally try to get away with what they can and pre and post season are perfect for those people....

Not saying breaking any rules had anything to do with this crash at all. I honestly have no idea what happened.
One of the reports online (Union Leader) states that the boat that sank was a Penn Yan driven by a man in his 80's, hardly a speedy vessel.
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One of the reports online (Union Leader) states that the boat that sank was a Penn Yan driven by a man in his 80's, hardly a speedy vessel.
The Penn Yan Swift and a Merc wasn't any slouch.

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I think we are all in agreement here, just in different ways. Statistically there are at least 95% less boats on the lake after November 1st compared with peak season between July 4th and Labor Day, so there is much less of a chance of an incident happening. At the same time as an Islander myself who pushes the season as far as possible, you absolutely make sure that all the factors are as much as possible in your favor early and late season. Call it careful, call it smart, call it aware or whatever you want. Islanders definitely do not screw around in the shoulder seasons when the water is cold and the days are short.

Im sure we'll eventually find out what happened here, but either way we lost two souls to a tragedy.
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Here’s what I can piece together; if anyone has corrections or more information, please add them:

On Saturday evening, 9 Nov, Jim and Carmel Hanson were leaving Bear Island and heading for Shep Brown’s.

Hal Lyon had been muzzle-loader deer hunting on Meredith neck. He parked his car at Shep Brown’s and headed for Bear Island.

Around 6 p.m., just north of the “no wake” zone between Bear and Pine and closer to the latter, they collided. Both boaters knew that part of the lake very well. They were probably hugging Pine to cut the tip of the no-wake “triangle”.

Sunset was about 4:30. The moon was up in the east, three-quarters full. Passing clouds. 6 mph wind from south/southeast. Temp just below freezing.

Jim and Carmel’s Sea Ray bowrider stayed afloat. Carmel suffered head injuries but was able to call 911. They got her to Shep Browns and an ambulance took her to Lakes Region.

She never saw the other boat and thought that they had run aground.

It was clear from the damage to the Sea Ray, though, that there had been a collision with a second boat, and that the second boat was blue.

Hal’s car was at Shep Brown’s, but his old blue Penn Yan was not on his dock at Bear. He wasn’t answering his phone.

The Penn Yan was old enough to not have floatation, so the Marine Patrol figured it was on the bottom. A towed side scan sonar was brought in and located it in 48 feet of water just east of Pine Island (off that red double-bay boathouse). Divers found Hal still in it.

I think Jim and Hal were both killed instantly by trauma. Looks like Carmel will recover.

I’ve never met Carmel. I didn’t know Jim well. But I knew Hal well. He was a kind and educated man who loved the outdoors. I’m still waking up mornings and wondering if I just had a bad dream, but I’m going to miss him when it sinks in.

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The East Bear Island community lost two fine residents and friends Saturday evening. We visited Hal and Karin on Columbus Day to say good-bye. Sad that it is forever. 🐻
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Would gazing at GPS come into this?
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What a horrible event. My condolences to the families involved. What a terrible loss for the entire Winnipesaukee community. Hal Lyon is a legendary member of the Winnipesaukee family; an old school gentleman who always had time for a teaching story. A true "lake guy" with a ton of local knowledge, he will be missed! RIP. I am sure Mr. Hanson was from the same cloth, did not know him, and may he RIP also.
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What a Sad Tragedy.

As I was reading, Hal’s name sounded very familiar. He wrote a very special book, Angling in the Smile of the Great Spirit. He was a member here on The Forum.

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As I was reading, Halís name sounded very familiar. He wrote a very special book, Angling in the Smile of the Great Spirit. He was a member here on The Forum.

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What were the usernames of the deceased?

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Thanks, Dan. It appears his last post here, in 2016, was to you. Sorry for your loss. https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...d.php?p=270458

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Hal had been working with a few of us dedicated lake Winni fishermen in getting our issue heard regarding the missing age classes of salmon in the lake. He was instrumental in setting up the initial meetings with the Laconia Daily Sun which got the issue noticed by the NHF&G. Hal had a good Journalism background and had connections in the community which helped us immensely...

Both Hal and Jim were members of the lakes "RFP" group (retired fishing partners) and were dedicated lake Winni anglers...

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Cal, sorry you were offended, was simply trying to report the facts. Now that you know the facts, I am sure you can appreciate my not iding anyone.RADIOMAN never plays games.
I knew all the folks involved, and I am upset and sad. Both will be very much missed. JOEY, thank you for sticking up for me
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I knew all the folks involved, and I am upset and sad. Both will be very much missed. JOEY, thank you for sticking up for me
Maybe I interpreted your words the wrong way. If so, I apologize as well. I thought that you were implying that it was going to be someone famous, or somewhat famous, and were treating it like a typical soap opera on a Friday afternoon!! You know, keep people guessing, in suspense... I thought you were implying it was going to be someone that everyone would know. You know, like a "household" name. Or some big local hot shot or something. Either way, I just thought it was inappropriate, I wasn't offended. However, I appreciate your maturity to take your medicine and apologize. I am impressed, and appreciate it. My condolences to the family and friends of these two men. May they RIP.

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Cal, sorry you were offended, was simply trying to report the facts. Now that you know the facts, I am sure you can appreciate my not iding anyone.RADIOMAN never plays games.

I knew all the folks involved, and I am upset and sad. Both will be very much missed. JOEY, thank you for sticking up for me
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Judging from the comments on this forum, these two men are examples of ďtwo lives well livedĒ, and how much they will be missed by so many whose lives they touched. Itís also a reminder that life is fragile and all too short. My condolences to their families and friends.
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What a tragic loss. I needed to post on this to share my thoughts. I always felt a certain connection with all of my fellow boaters on Winnipesaukee. I feel like we are all kind of like extended family and when one or more of us is hurt or in this case killed on this beautiful lake, it pains me personally. We have found an oasis of sorts here in central NH that we all enjoy immensely. To have something so tragic happen here doesnít seem right or just. My heart goes out to the loved ones who have suffered this profound loss. It also goes out to the rest of my boating community extended family one and all. When accidents happen on this lake we love so much, we are reminded how in a split second our lives can change forever. So my boating friends....say a prayer for the ones lost and the family they leave behind and be careful out there.
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But may this enormous tragedy serve as a solemn reminder of how powerful and dangerous our lake is.


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It IS so very sad. As someone said, with so few boats on the lake the odds of this happening seem so strange. We all need to think about being more careful next summer when the lake gets busy again.
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Would gazing at GPS come into this?
I can envision looking at GPS as being a factor, too, as they navigated near that tangle of markers between Bear and Pine. I certainly look at mine going through there, even in daylight.

It was dark, and the backgrounds of nearby islands were dark. It was cold, so they were likely huddled behind windshields. They each probably thought that they were the only boat on the lake. They were both probably referencing GPS overlays or apps.

Most accidents are not due to a single cause, but rather to a chain of events that could be interrupted at several points. Environmental factors, complacency, distractions, etc.

There are things to analyze and learn from this tragedy.

Great pic of a classic, BTW.
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I can envision looking at GPS as being a factor, too, as they navigated near that tangle of markers between Bear and Pine. I certainly look at mine going through there, even in daylight.

It was dark, and the backgrounds of nearby islands were dark. It was cold, so they were likely huddled behind windshields. They each probably thought that they were the only boat on the lake. They were both probably referencing GPS overlays or apps.

Most accidents are not due to a single cause, but rather to a chain of events that could be interrupted at several points. Environmental factors, complacency, distractions, etc.

There are things to analyze and learn from this tragedy.

Great pic of a classic, BTW.
Those guys had been boating on the lake well before GPS even existed. They don't need one. Hell I don't need one, and I've only been out there for 8 years and driven through there hundreds if not a thousand times. That is not a difficult once you're used to it. Plus the Bear Island Post Office has a light on at the dock at night 24X7 year round that does a pretty good job of identifying where the gap is.

Everyone who has been there enough knows the only hazards to worry about in there is staying far enough away from the Pine Island and cutting out wide of the NW point of Bear. Those markers in the middle are for the mail boat and the mount. Shallowest point in there is maybe 8 foot deep.
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A tragedy for both families and all the Bear Is. family. My condolences to you all.

This is a teaching moment.... no matter how well you know the lake, you must always be vigilant and keep a good lookout.

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Those guys had been boating on the lake well before GPS even existed. They don't need one. Hell I don't need one, and I've only been out there for 8 years and driven through there hundreds if not a thousand times. That is not a difficult once you're used to it. Plus the Bear Island Post Office has a light on at the dock at night 24X7 year round that does a pretty good job of identifying where the gap is.

Everyone who has been there enough knows the only hazards to worry about in there is staying far enough away from the Pine Island and cutting out wide of the NW point of Bear. Those markers in the middle are for the mail boat and the mount. Shallowest point in there is maybe 8 foot deep.
GPS is no substitute for experience that is for sure. While I am planning on adding a GPS unit to my boat next year, it will also provide sonar, speed..... and I am doing it not because I feel I need it. But I am getting more adventurous at night. And going places that I don't often visit at night... and well the night vision isn't what it used to be..... When I am in the parts of the lake that I know well.... there is never a problem.....These two men where in an area of the lake they new well....GPS wouldn't have done anything in this case.... I will not even speculate what happened, other then to say it is a sad day, for the lake community.....
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Max, GM and tnx for the post. We will never really know. Still cannot get this off my mind.
No we won't. However I also look at it this way, these guys enjoyed a full life, a wonderful friendship and were the kind of gentlemen we all should aspire to be. That's a damn good legacy to leave behind.
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Me too. And yet I find them extremely useful, especially at night. At the very least, they've saved me from buying a couple props.

Once upon a time, I was a fighter pilot with visual acuity and night vision so good that people used to think I was doing magic tricks or something. Now I'm in my sixties, and I need glasses and feel like Mr. Magoo at night. Jim was in his seventies. Hal was in his eighties. They were both hunkered down on a below-freezing night behind possibly fogged windshields and fogged glasses. It's very plausible to me that they would cross-reference a GPS or a nav app on a phone.

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Hal's boat sank close to Pine Island. It seems likely to me that he had hugged those red-tops south of Pine in order to minimize time in the no-wake zone, and that Jim was planning to do the same. The short-cut funneled them right into each other.
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Iíve never boated this late in the season but when Iím out at night I always pull the canvas back so I have a clear view around me. And thatís even if itís pouring. Itís just too confusing with glare on the windows. I even installed dash light dimmers so I donít get glare from the gauges.
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This is complete hearsay so take it for what it's worth...I heard that Hal's boat had been experiencing issues and MAY have broken down and been without power. No power = no nav lights and Jim may not have seen him.

To me this does make the most sense but as I said earlier this is all nothing but complete useless hearsay...and at this point what difference does it make...

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This is complete hearsay so take it for what it's worth...I heard that Hal's boat had been experiencing issues and MAY have broken down and been without power. No power = no nav lights and Jim may not have seen him.

To me this does make the most sense but as I said earlier this is all nothing but complete useless hearsay...and at this point what difference does it make...

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For these individuals you are right it wont make a difference but finding out what truly happened if possible may help others avoid situations like this in the future by learning from it. Or at least help those affected get closure.
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For these individuals you are right it wont make a difference but finding out what truly happened if possible may help others avoid situations like this in the future by learning from it. Or at least help those affected get closure.
The authorities will most certainly want to know the cause as possible criminal consequences could flow from the event (unlikely, if as it seems both of the operators perished in the accident), and of course there will always be lawyers waiting to pounce on the at fault party or his/her estate.
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I agree 100%. Unfortunately, by the time investigators piece things together, and find the cause of this, and other tragedies, the media has moved on, and what could be a teachable moment for other's goes by the wayside... Such a waste. Very frustrating. I guess the teachable moments don't get the same "ratings" as the actual tragedy when it happens. Gotta have priorities...
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Don't know if it has been addressed, but the very rapid assessment and finding of the second craft, I finding rewarding of very trained skills.

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I think the takeaway from this is two highly experienced boaters were out on the water doing their best under all of the conditions presented to them, and yet this happened. The best we can do to honor them is learn from this tragedy once the results of the investigation are released and be uber-vigilant in the future.

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This entire situation is quite sad, and hopefully the lone survivor will be able to provide investigators some valuable information to assist in the investigation.

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This is complete hearsay so take it for what it's worth...I heard that Hal's boat had been experiencing issues and MAY have broken down and been without power. No power = no nav lights and Jim may not have seen him.

To me this does make the most sense but as I said earlier this is all nothing but complete useless hearsay...and at this point what difference does it make...

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Years ago I was in Wolfboro bay with my wife after dark. It was very dark out. We heard some one call out but could not see anything from where the voice was coming from. We slowly continued to move and finally discovered a small 20 bowrider with a husband and wife aboard. They had no power and no lights would work. The did not have a flashlight either (that would be key) We towed them back to the town docks and they were very appreciative. He was a doctor but not sure where. Thank god we were not going faster or up on plane. This was not too far from where you would slow down to approach the docks. I will try to remember to always have a flashlight with good batteries.
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Years ago I was in Wolfboro bay with my wife after dark. It was very dark out. We heard some one call out but could not see anything from where the voice was coming from. We slowly continued to move and finally discovered a small 20 bowrider with a husband and wife aboard. They had no power and no lights would work. The did not have a flashlight either (that would be key) We towed them back to the town docks and they were very appreciative. He was a doctor but not sure where. Thank god we were not going faster or up on plane. This was not too far from where you would slow down to approach the docks. I will try to remember to always have a flashlight with good batteries.
Yes a flashlight is a must at minimal...besides a flashlight I also carry a clip on set of battery nav lights similar to this... https://smile.amazon.com/Bright-Eyes...3747849&sr=8-9

I also have a suction mount battery white stern light.

I have had them for a few years and luckily so far I have not had to use them. I change the batteries every spring...

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I thought the tragic accident occurred across from the Post Office …. not in the line of sight of Bear Cam ……… which looks in the general direction of FL#4 & FL#61

Am I mistaken ?
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They were on that spot for almost an hour. I thought they might have had divers in the water but it was hard to tell for sure
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I thought the tragic accident occurred across from the Post Office …. not in the line of sight of Bear Cam ……… which looks in the general direction of FL#4 & FL#61

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Captain Dunleavy told me the accident was right in from of my cabin. He wanted to know if I saved images from the BearCam. I told him I do not.

Reports have claimed the accident was just north of the mail dock. Once again, that is the area viewed on the BearCam.

If anyone is interested there are more views of the area available from my other cameras at www.bearfeed.com
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Years ago I was in Wolfboro bay with my wife after dark. It was very dark out. We heard some one call out but could not see anything from where the voice was coming from. We slowly continued to move and finally discovered a small 20 bowrider with a husband and wife aboard. They had no power and no lights would work. The did not have a flashlight either (that would be key) We towed them back to the town docks and they were very appreciative. He was a doctor but not sure where. Thank god we were not going faster or up on plane. This was not too far from where you would slow down to approach the docks. I will try to remember to always have a flashlight with good batteries.
The best boating at night is on someone else's boat!! Personally, I fail to see the joy of boating at night, unless there is a really bright full moon, and even then not my favorite thing to do. Why go boating in pitch black darkness? I think you are just asking for trouble. Besides,I hate when the vinyl seats get wet with moisture/condensation when the sun goes down, you have the possibility of floating debris, and God knows what else... Not my idea of "fun". Would you drive your car in pitch black darkness with no headlights on...??? Whats the difference? No thanks. To each his own...

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I thought the tragic accident occurred across from the Post Office Ö. not in the line of sight of Bear Cam ÖÖÖ which looks in the general direction of FL#4 & FL#61

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According to the report, Hal's boat was found in 48' of water out in front of the red double boathouse on Pine Island, just north of FL4, which might explain why the MP was out that direction today. It must have been a fairly strong breeze from the south for his boat to drift that far before sinking.

The last time I saw Hal was 10 or so years ago when I went to his house on East Bear to pick up my parents who had attended his wedding that day...

It is all so very very sad and the world has lost two gentlemen that touched so many lives in such positive ways...

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Each time there is a tragedy on the lake it sticks with me a little and I try to learn something from it. For instance, when the boater backed into his son on Paugus bay two years ago I decided to always shut down instead of going to neutral when there is someone in the water and I don't start up until I do a head count.
But i don't see a lesson in this accident. Two expert and experienced boaters in the wrong place at the wrong time in circumstances that would be hard to duplicate. So sorry for the families of these fine men.
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SAMIAM, there's a lesson here for sure, we just can't know exactly what it is. What we know is that two boats collided--what we don't know is why and how it could have been prevented.

For example, if it was "hunkering down" because of the cold, the lesson is to bundle up. If lighting, have a backup energy/lighting source. If it was fog/visibility, the lesson is to use sound and slow down.

I know I'll be reconsidering how I proceed when night boating for sure.

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My first experience on Winni was in a PENN-Yann SWIFT just like the one shown! I put in at Goodhue & Hawkins and learned that first time How little I knew about the Lake. Water Skied around Locke Island & then went in to the store & bought a Lake chart/map.. Lesson learned !! kerk
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I think the lesson here is donít go out on your boat at night.
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My first experience on Winni was in a PENN-Yann SWIFT just like the one shown! I put in at Goodhue & Hawkins and learned that first time How little I knew about the Lake. Water Skied around Locke Island & then went in to the store & bought a Lake chart/map.. Lesson learned !! kerk
Just to clarify, the boat in APS' picture is not anywhere near what Hal had. Hal's Penn Yan was more of a "day cruiser" boat somewhere around 22' and certainly had no performance characteristics whatsoever about it...

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I think the lesson here is donít go out on your boat at night.
That is easily said, but I have had numerous occasions where it is hard to help. We frequent our friends property on Cow Island near Hole in the Wall. My wife does not like night boating, I personally enjoy it.

Although we usually attempt to head back to our home port, Lakeport Landing Marina, in enough time to avoid darkness, we are not always successful. We have had several close calls in the area of Weirs Beach and Eagle Island due to inattention by other boat captains. Fortunately no mishaps.

I take it upon myself to be extra vigilant after dark, but I should and want to be able to enjoy the lake as much as possible.

Just my opinion,
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Is it just me or is that photo of the Penn Yan causing the size of my ipad screen to change to fit it in and cause all the text to get much smaller? When I posted here I could barely read what I entered.
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Unfortunately... there is a lesson to be learned from every tragedy. Especially a tragedy like this one that on its face seems purely accidental. I am sure the accident reconstruction team will do their due diligence, publish their findings and assign the proper blame in due time.

IMHO, the findings will show that neither party will be 100% at fault... but you can expect to see "too fast for the conditions" and "failure to keep a proper lookout" as the catchphrases used in the report.

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I think the lesson here is donít go out on your boat at night.
You could do that but when you live on an island thatís easier said than done. This time of year is very restricting if you canít be out after 4:30. Maybe you should do things differently instead. Like having a set of battery powered lights. Like having a flashlight. Like having a gps when the blinking lights have been removed. Like changing the bow light and stern lights to led to eliminate blown bulbs. In the early spring you should boat differently when the water is freezing and when thereís a lot of stuff floating in the lake. You just have to be ready for what could happen. This would probably be a better new topic and we might all learn something new. For example, iíll have battery running lights next season just in case. I learned that in this thread.
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My previous post left out something important. I learned a lot more from this thread than just about battery lights. We all did.
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Is it just me or is that photo of the Penn Yan causing the size of my ipad screen to change to fit it in and cause all the text to get much smaller? When I posted here I could barely read what I entered.
I've resized that image to a better size.
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Is it just me or is that photo of the Penn Yan causing the size of my ipad screen to change to fit it in and cause all the text to get much smaller? When I posted here I could barely read what I entered.
Same thing for me on my tablet, but at least I can "pinch " my screen to make it larger.

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You could do that but when you live on an island thatís easier said than done. This time of year is very restricting if you canít be out after 4:30. Maybe you should do things differently instead. Like having a set of battery powered lights. Like having a flashlight. Like having a gps when the blinking lights have been removed. Like changing the bow light and stern lights to led to eliminate blown bulbs. In the early spring you should boat differently when the water is freezing and when thereís a lot of stuff floating in the lake. You just have to be ready for what could happen. This would probably be a better new topic and we might all learn something new. For example, iíll have battery running lights next season just in case. I learned that in this thread.
All good ideas, but its a bit jarring to know that all involved were seasoned islanders and this still happened.
I thought fishing into the evening sounded attractive. The results were cetainly worth it but the 'easy' ride home was not. Even in good clear weather and running just on plane it seemed too fast for comfort. The first nav lights I saw were ASTONISHGLY close and it seemed they came out of nowhere. I was off plane the rest of the way in. An unlit canoe or kayak could slip under your keel too easily. Yeah, it would be largely "their" fault but I dont want to live with that regardless.
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An unlit canoe or kayak could slip under your keel too easily.
Or a sailboat.

We were sailing on the big lake at night, navigation lights lit, and were almost run down and killed by some inattentive idiot in a cabin cruiser.
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For paddling or rowing at dusk, or at night, www.topkayaker.com at 1805 Rt-16 in Center Ossipee NH has a number of high quality, battery powered l.e.d. navigation lights which show brighter than the old incandescent bulb lights. In the Safety Gear section...

For a kayak or stand up paddle board, a bright white l.e.d. navigation light can maybe make the difference between being seen, or becoming a "speed bump."

For $19.99 check out the 'c-strobe with c-clip' that's powered by two AA batteries, not included, and flashes with 45-lumens white light ..... hand held ... you can wave it around and pray you don't get hit ....... or attach it to your pfd ..... does not float .... "has intense strobe light visible up to 2-miles."

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