Boat Crash

TiltonBB · 08-27-2019, 05:47 AM

Boat on the Breakwater.

From the Laconia Sun:

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...f7d53b54b.html

hilltopper · 08-27-2019, 10:33 AM

That makes me think of the movie Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas with Johnny Dep. Those that have seen it may remember the line..."Is this not a reasonable place to park?".

ishoot308 · 08-27-2019, 10:35 AM

That will buff out...

Woodsy · 08-27-2019, 10:53 AM

Happened late at night... not reported until morning.... hmmm!

Woodsy

Puck · 08-27-2019, 11:44 AM

A lighthouse might have prevented this...

ishoot308 · 08-27-2019, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck

A lighthouse might have prevented this...

Now that was funny!!!

Dan

Biggd · 08-27-2019, 01:58 PM

I think they trimmed it too much.

DickR · 08-27-2019, 05:37 PM

It's amazing how slick algae-covered rocks let a boat slide so easily up onto them while put-putting at headway speed so close to shore.

webmaster · 08-28-2019, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DickR

It's amazing how slick algae-covered rocks let a boat slide so easily up onto them while put-putting at headway speed so close to shore.

That picture is very odd. If it were posted on social media instead of the reputable LDS I'd say it was Photoshopped.

1. If they were going fast enough to propel the boat high onto the rocks there certainly would have been more serious hull damage. When we see pictures of fiberglass boats that hit something the fiberglass at the impact point is mostly shredded. In the picture there is no real visible hull damage.

2. If they were going slow there couldn't have been enough momentum to propel the boat so high onto the rocks.

3. Since there were no serious injuries they couldn't have been going too fast. How could the boat get up there without serious damage?

Can this be explained?

Outdoorsman · 08-28-2019, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by webmaster

That picture is very odd. If it were posted on social media instead of the reputable LDS I'd say it was Photoshopped.

1. If they were going fast enough to propel the boat high onto the rocks there certainly would have been more serious hull damage. When we see pictures of fiberglass boats that hit something the fiberglass at the impact point is mostly shredded. In the picture there is no real visible hull damage.

2. If they were going slow there couldn't have been enough momentum to propel the boat so high onto the rocks.

3. Since there were no serious injuries they couldn't have been going too fast. How could the boat get up there without serious damage?

Can this be explained?

Perhaps when he was nearing the breakwater he accidentally went WOT (for whatever reason)? Perhaps that would cause the bow to lift enough to make that climb.

The Real BigGuy · 08-29-2019, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by webmaster

That picture is very odd. If it were posted on social media instead of the reputable LDS I'd say it was Photoshopped.

1. If they were going fast enough to propel the boat high onto the rocks there certainly would have been more serious hull damage. When we see pictures of fiberglass boats that hit something the fiberglass at the impact point is mostly shredded. In the picture there is no real visible hull damage.

2. If they were going slow there couldn't have been enough momentum to propel the boat so high onto the rocks.

3. Since there were no serious injuries they couldn't have been going too fast. How could the boat get up there without serious damage?

Can this be explained?

Wakeboat waves?��

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Descant · 08-29-2019, 11:18 AM

Remember a few years ago a couple in a kayak were run over between Shep's and Bear Is? Nobody actually injured, thew kayak was valued at less than $1000, so no report was required, although it was reported.

I owned both a 1967 and a 1977 CC Lancer at various times. Built like tanks. We know there were no injuries. I f damage was presumed less than $1000 (how do you know at night?) maybe there was no requirement to report? If there is no requirement to report (or reasonable thought) maybe there is no leaving the scene?

Skip · 08-29-2019, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Descant

Remember a few years ago a couple in a kayak were run over between Shep's and Bear Is? Nobody actually injured, thew kayak was valued at less than $1000, so no report was required, although it was reported.

I owned both a 1967 and a 1977 CC Lancer at various times. Built like tanks. We know there were no injuries. I f damage was presumed less than $1000 (how do you know at night?) maybe there was no requirement to report? If there is no requirement to report (or reasonable thought) maybe there is no leaving the scene?

It is alleged the operator struck another boat before grounding. It is my understanding that RSA 270:1-a (I) in part requires the operator to give the damaged vessel owner/operator his/her information. In lieu of that the operator must immediately report the incident to the nearest NHMP officer, the NHMP itself, or the nearest police officer/police station. Authorities can/will then determine if the accident rose to the $2000 threshold that would then require a formal report with NHMP.

The operator should have simply called the local police department on his arrival home to report the incident, and thus be in compliance with this RSA, in my opinon. It will be interesting to see how this investigation unfolds....

Descant · 08-29-2019, 12:50 PM

Thanks for the more detailed info, Skip. I guess we just don't know if the moored boat was damaged. Yes, he should have called Gilford PD or MP. My recollection of the reporting requirement in the Meredith incident came from a years ago conversation with a member of MP, so it stuck in my mind.

Cal Coon · 08-29-2019, 06:24 PM

"Integrity" is doing the right thing when no one is looking, otherwise, there will always be suspicion of foul play. Perception is reality... I suspect foul play here. It's as simple as that to me.

Hillcountry · 08-29-2019, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cal Coon

"Integrity" is doing the right thing when no one is looking, otherwise, there will always be suspicion of foul play. Perception is reality... I suspect foul play here. It's as simple as that to me.

Actually, being ethical is doing the right thing when no one is looking but you had the right idea!

8gv · 08-29-2019, 06:45 PM

I do not advocate boating while intoxicated but...

What is the penalty delta for BWI vs reporting the incident late?

Cal Coon · 08-27-2019, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsy

Happened late at night... not reported until morning.... hmmm!

Woodsy

I think I heard that story before... Could be one of Ted's relatives, God knows there is plenty of them, and the apple's don't fall far from the tree!! The best way to tell if they are any "relation" will be if they get away with it completely unscathed... If there are any charges as a result of the investigation, rest assured it was just a "commoner"!!

Descant · 08-28-2019, 10:56 AM

This hit the WMUR news this morning. Not much info. Driver was a 58 year old man from Carlisle(?) Mass. who supposedly struck a moored boat and then caromed onto the breakwater.

macbeth · 08-28-2019, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Descant

This hit the WMUR news this morning. Not much info. Driver was a 58 year old man from Carlisle(?) Mass. who supposedly struck a moored boat and then caromed onto the breakwater.

I called horse crap on that. I will bet anybody right now he was drunk as a skunk and I'll put a hundred dollar bill on this bet. Any takers??

Biggd · 08-28-2019, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by macbeth

I called horse crap on that. I will bet anybody right now he was drunk as a skunk and I'll put a hundred dollar bill on this bet. Any takers??

Or maybe he's just blind at night like me. That's why I don't boat at night anymore unless it's a full moon lit night.

hd333 · 08-28-2019, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by macbeth

I called horse crap on that. I will bet anybody right now he was drunk as a skunk and I'll put a hundred dollar bill on this bet. Any takers??

Talk about jumping to conclusions.

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Descant · 08-28-2019, 12:49 PM

There are some things that add t the confusion.
Impaired or not, the events could have happened described by WMUR.
My questions:
1. There's a boat at the dock. Was anybody home, heard the crash and reacted?
2. The accident was Friday night but not reported until Saturday am, right? Where did the driver spend the night? Is he a Lockes Island resident? He walked home?

All sorts of speculation suggested and then deleted. I'll be patient and wait for more official info.

ishoot308 · 08-28-2019, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Descant

There are some things that add t the confusion.
Impaired or not, the events could have happened described by WMUR.
My questions:
1. There's a boat at the dock. Thats a Marine Patrol Boat Was anybody home, heard the crash and reacted? No one called to report accident that I am aware
2. The accident was Friday night but not reported until Saturday am, right? Correct Where did the driver spend the night? At his home on LockesIs he a Lockes Island resident? Yes He walked home? Yes, he and his girlfriend

All sorts of speculation suggested and then deleted. I'll be patient and wait for more official info.

Descant;

Answered in red above what I know.

Dan

Descant · 08-28-2019, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

Descant;

Answered in red above what I know.

Dan

Thanks, Dan. There's a little more detail from LaDaSun.
https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...xtual-fallback

macbeth · 08-28-2019, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hd333

Talk about jumping to conclusions.

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OK, then this should be an EASY C note for you. Am I to assume you are taking my bet?

hd333 · 08-28-2019, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by macbeth

OK, then this should be an EASY C note for you. Am I to assume you are taking my bet?

Where did you see me taking your bet?

Just pointing out that with no facts you jumped to the conclusion that the driver was drunk.

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macbeth · 08-28-2019, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hd333

Where did you see me taking your bet?

Just pointing out that with no facts you jumped to the conclusion that the driver was drunk.

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Night time/boat crash/no way a slow speed put him up there. COMMON SENSE. I'll give you 2:1 odds. Quack like a duck..it's A duck. Kick like a mule it's a mule.. 1+1=2. Alcohol was a factor. So now I'm assuming you are not taking the bet, that's good I believe you just saved yourself $100

Cal Coon · 08-28-2019, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by macbeth

I called horse crap on that. I will bet anybody right now he was drunk as a skunk and I'll put a hundred dollar bill on this bet. Any takers??

Agreed. I would NOT take that bet... Even without all the facts, you have to consider the percentages of these accidents that DO involve alcohol. Probably in the 90%+ range. Only a FOOL would take your bet!! What about leaving the scene of an accident. Pretty serious crime in a vehicle, does that translate to a boat accident...??? I would say the probability of this guy being drunk is about the same as Jefferey Epstein being murdered, 90%+... Will we ever find out the truth to either???

macbeth · 08-28-2019, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Agreed. I would NOT take that bet... Even without all the facts, you have to consider the percentages of these accidents that DO involve alcohol. Probably in the 90%+ range. Only a FOOL would take your bet!! What about leaving the scene of an accident. Pretty serious crime in a vehicle, does that translate to a boat accident...??? I would say the probability of this guy being drunk is about the same as Jefferey Epstein being murdered, 90%+... Will we ever find out the truth to either???

Leaving the scene should be a big deal. But it will all depend on how many attorneys he has.

gillygirl · 08-28-2019, 04:31 PM

Where on Lockes did he crash, and how far is his house from there?

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Slickcraft · 08-28-2019, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gillygirl

Where on Lockes did he crash, and how far is his house from there?

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Well that breakwater in on the NE point. No idea of his abode. However if he had missed the breakwater (a stone wall as per WMUR news) then there were rocks lurking to ambush the stern drive.

codeman671 · 08-28-2019, 05:27 PM

My opinion is something fishy happened here. Had no alcohol been involved why wasn’t the accident called in right away like is supposed to be done?

I’m sure they will investigate their whereabouts for that evening prior to the incident.

welch-time · 08-28-2019, 06:45 PM

I heard from a reliable source that the home owner was out of town when this happened, and that the driver walked to his house a short distance away. The driver knew the home owner and knew he was gone and figured it could wait until morning. He called the marine patrol the next morning after a little shut-eye. I've seen some additional pictures as well. The boat was removed with a barge & crane and brought to Glendale where it was re-floated around 100' off shore and trailered to an impound area. The hull appeared to be in decent shape considering what it had been through. Apparently Chris Craft made some stout fiberglass boats back in the day.

The Real BigGuy · 08-31-2019, 07:42 AM

A pretty good one I would think

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08-27-2019, 05:47 AM	#1
TiltonBB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilford, NH and Florida Posts: 2,897 Thanks: 644 Thanked 2,153 Times in 900 Posts	Boat Crash Boat on the Breakwater. From the Laconia Sun: https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...f7d53b54b.html Attached Images

08-27-2019, 10:35 AM	#3
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08-27-2019, 10:53 AM	#4
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,949 Thanks: 80 Thanked 969 Times in 432 Posts	Happened late at night... not reported until morning.... hmmm! Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

08-29-2019, 11:18 AM	#12
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,033 Thanks: 1,211 Thanked 1,511 Times in 983 Posts	No report required? Remember a few years ago a couple in a kayak were run over between Shep's and Bear Is? Nobody actually injured, thew kayak was valued at less than $1000, so no report was required, although it was reported. I owned both a 1967 and a 1977 CC Lancer at various times. Built like tanks. We know there were no injuries. I f damage was presumed less than $1000 (how do you know at night?) maybe there was no requirement to report? If there is no requirement to report (or reasonable thought) maybe there is no leaving the scene?

08-29-2019, 12:50 PM	#14
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,033 Thanks: 1,211 Thanked 1,511 Times in 983 Posts	Good info Thanks for the more detailed info, Skip. I guess we just don't know if the moored boat was damaged. Yes, he should have called Gilford PD or MP. My recollection of the reporting requirement in the Meredith incident came from a years ago conversation with a member of MP, so it stuck in my mind.

08-27-2019, 10:33 AM	#2
hilltopper Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Meredith Posts: 716 Thanks: 25 Thanked 105 Times in 66 Posts	That makes me think of the movie Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas with Johnny Dep. Those that have seen it may remember the line..."Is this not a reasonable place to park?".

08-27-2019, 11:44 AM	#5
Puck Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Central NH Posts: 89 Thanks: 0 Thanked 68 Times in 18 Posts	A lighthouse might have prevented this...

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08-29-2019, 06:24 PM	#15
Cal Coon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 475 Thanks: 179 Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts	"Integrity" is doing the right thing when no one is looking, otherwise, there will always be suspicion of foul play. Perception is reality... I suspect foul play here. It's as simple as that to me.

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08-28-2019, 10:56 AM	#19
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,033 Thanks: 1,211 Thanked 1,511 Times in 983 Posts	WMUR today This hit the WMUR news this morning. Not much info. Driver was a 58 year old man from Carlisle(?) Mass. who supposedly struck a moored boat and then caromed onto the breakwater.

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Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,033 Thanks: 1,211 Thanked 1,511 Times in 983 Posts	We'll find out someday... There are some things that add t the confusion. Impaired or not, the events could have happened described by WMUR. My questions: 1. There's a boat at the dock. Was anybody home, heard the crash and reacted? 2. The accident was Friday night but not reported until Saturday am, right? Where did the driver spend the night? Is he a Lockes Island resident? He walked home? All sorts of speculation suggested and then deleted. I'll be patient and wait for more official info.

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codeman671 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,360 Thanks: 210 Thanked 764 Times in 448 Posts	My opinion is something fishy happened here. Had no alcohol been involved why wasn’t the accident called in right away like is supposed to be done? I’m sure they will investigate their whereabouts for that evening prior to the incident.

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welch-time Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Welch Island Posts: 117 Thanks: 4 Thanked 66 Times in 31 Posts	I heard from a reliable source that the home owner was out of town when this happened, and that the driver walked to his house a short distance away. The driver knew the home owner and knew he was gone and figured it could wait until morning. He called the marine patrol the next morning after a little shut-eye. I've seen some additional pictures as well. The boat was removed with a barge & crane and brought to Glendale where it was re-floated around 100' off shore and trailered to an impound area. The hull appeared to be in decent shape considering what it had been through. Apparently Chris Craft made some stout fiberglass boats back in the day.

08-31-2019, 07:42 AM	#35
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