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Old 07-02-2021, 04:57 AM   #1
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Is this gonna be the second washout (big) holiday weekend?!

This season's weather—between the heat waves, wind, cold, and rain—hasn't been great so far. Last summer, and I guess we needed it more then, was awesome.

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Old 07-02-2021, 07:36 AM   #2
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No kidding, I live here and I've used my boat twice this year!!!
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does anyone believe in climate change now? As thinkxing points out...
wind, cold, rain, heat waves. 'Nuff said.
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Not the weather we want but the rain is very much needed.................
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Is this gonna be the second washout (big) holiday weekend?!

This season's weather—between the heat waves, wind, cold, and rain—hasn't been great so far. Last summer, and I guess we needed it more then, was awesome.

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Not sure how long you have been going to the lake, but I have been at this now for 35 years, this isn't the first summer where the big weekends were wash outs and it will not be the last.... I am really hoping the weather today and tomorrow scares the crowds off some, and that Sunday and Monday when the weather turns around it will not be quite as crowded...
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On the bright side...

*a smooth lake with no boat traffic
*significant savings in the sun screen budget
*no lines at the gas dock
*first in line response from Sea Tow after an encounter with The Witches
*bird poop washed away by rain
*we now have a Harbor Freight store for indoor recreation

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Not sure how long you have been going to the lake, but I have been at this now for 35 years, this isn't the first summer where the big weekends were wash outs and it will not be the last.... I am really hoping the weather today and tomorrow scares the crowds off some, and that Sunday and Monday when the weather turns around it will not be quite as crowded...
This is my 8th full-time and the first with as pronounced bad weather on the big weekends. But, yeah, I'm sure it has happened, and will, but I'm living NOW.

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2004 stands out in memory as a summer that it rained at least one day every weekend EXCEPT the weekend my daughter got married in August. Outdoor rehearsal cookout for 100 on the island, and outdoors at Church Landing (tent + banquet hall) Water taxis back and forth. Perfect weather all three days, F,S,S. Not so much the rest of the summer. That was the first year Church Landing was open. They were fantastic.
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Was it last year or the year before that never warmed up until July? June was still very cool.
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does anyone believe in climate change now? As thinkxing points out...
wind, cold, rain, heat waves. 'Nuff said.
Please don't be silly with this BS. A few cool days is nothing compared to the massive amount of data that show the planet is warming. Virtually every climate scientist believes in climate change.
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Please don't be silly with this BS. A few cool days is nothing compared to the massive amount of data that show the planet is warming. Virtually every climate scientist believes in climate change.
The climate changing is nothing new accept people now use it as a political football. The earth had been warming since the end of the ice age and the truth is we have minimal affect on it and there is little we can do to change it.


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The climate changing is nothing new accept people now use it as a political football. The earth had been warming since the end of the ice age and the truth is we have minimal affect on it and there is little we can do to change it.


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I'm not sure who to believe, the 90+ percent of scientists that agree on anthropogenic climate change or some dude with an extensive number of typos on a lake forum I sometimes read...

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On the bright side...

*a smooth lake with no boat traffic
*significant savings in the sun screen budget
*no lines at the gas dock
*first in line response from Sea Tow after an encounter with The Witches
*bird poop washed away by rain
*we now have a Harbor Freight store for indoor recreation

Just saw HF is running a 10% off sale for the holiday weekend. Enjoy!

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I'm not sure who to believe, the 90+ percent of scientists that agree on anthropogenic climate change or some dude with an extensive number of typos on a lake forum I sometimes read...
The question to ask is, "When has there never been 'climate change'?"
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Well you just gave us the truth so I guess we must believe the world is doomed and there's nothing we can do to change that out come.
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Well you just gave us the truth so I guess we must believe the world is doomed and there's nothing we can do to change that out come.
I never said that the world was doomed nor did I imply it is. Those are your words. All I said was the climate has been ever changing including getting warmer since the ice age.
That is a fact like it or not.


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You also said "there is very little we can do about it", your words. If we do nothing we are doomed to failure, my words.
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You also said "there is very little we can do about it", your words. If we do nothing we are doomed to failure, my words.

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Honestly this is why I very rarely post here anymore you take my words and twist them into a pretzel. Just because the earth is warming doesn’t mean that we’re doomed it’s a slow process and yes we may have to adapt and make changes

The fact is there is very little we can do and the earth is warming and the main reason is not caused by mankind although they do contribute to it.

Do you think after the Ice Age the earth just said well I’m going to come up with this one climate and it’s gonna be the same for the next million years?

Bait somebody else into an argument have a nice Fourth of July


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I suppose Greta Thunberg is the resident expert on global warming (ooops - now the PC term is “climate change”)….

It’s complete nonsense to think that humans would have the ability to manipulate the earth’s climate that has been doing its thing for a few billion years. 500 experts wrote a letter to the UN stating that there’s no climate emergency. I suppose they’re all quacks too???

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I suppose Greta Thunberg is the resident expert on global warming (ooops - now the PC term is “climate change”)….

It’s complete nonsense to think that humans would have the ability to manipulate the earth’s climate that has been doing its thing for a few billion years. 500 experts wrote a letter to the UN stating that there’s no climate emergency. I suppose they’re all quacks too???

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/there...nited-nations/
Nobody has asserted that Thunberg is a scientific expert.

Nobody but shills for the coal and oil industries is still signing letters like the one you cite. Even oil company CEOs acknowledge global warming and that we have to change

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Everyone is a little testy this morning, must be the rain.
It's alright for people to have different opinions but we shouldn't turn this thread political.
As everyone can see by the posts it falls on the political line to the left and right.
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We need this rain big time. I am very thankful for it. Sorry for you tourists, but Monday is gonna be sunny and warm!
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I suppose Greta Thunberg is the resident expert on global warming (ooops - now the PC term is “climate change”)….

It’s complete nonsense to think that humans would have the ability to manipulate the earth’s climate that has been doing its thing for a few billion years. 500 experts wrote a letter to the UN stating that there’s no climate emergency. I suppose they’re all quacks too???

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/there...nited-nations/
Not this again:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-...gency/11734966

https://medium.com/wedonthavetime/th...n-bec387e679c4

https://climatefeedback.org/claimrev...nce-breitbart/

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This rainy weekend is one reason we need a casino here in the lakes Region


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Too often, these two issues are combined when they should be addressed separately.
1. Is Climate change happening? Of course. Always, as the earth's tilt varies over time, for example.
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2. Can we alter the tilt of the earth on its axis, or whatever cause you like, by consuming less fossil fuel? C'mon man.
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Everyone is a little testy this morning, must be the rain.

It's alright for people to have different opinions but we shouldn't turn this thread political.

As everyone can see by the posts it falls on the political line to the left and right.
First of all my post specifically was not political secondly, it is OK to have different opinions just don’t twist my opinion around like you did and don’t leave my replies under the guise of being testy after spinning my statement to fit your narrative


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First of all my post specifically was not political secondly, it is OK to have different opinions just don’t twist my opinion around like you did and don’t leave my replies under the guise of being testy after spinning my statement to fit your narrative


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The restaurants will be busy and that's a good thing.
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lol So-called “climate change” = the weather. Even were it true, humans adapt. Relax and enjoy the seasons.


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does anyone believe in climate change now? As thinkxing points out...
wind, cold, rain, heat waves. 'Nuff said.
Yes. Since the beginning of time.
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Was it last year or the year before that never warmed up until July? June was still very cool.
And we have had quite a few June’s where there were frost warnings!
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Was it last year or the year before that never warmed up until July? June was still very cool.
Last year was one the hottest best weather summers ever. It’s also the one I missed out on a lot.

I’ve been here since the early 1980’s and July 4th weekend typically (9 times out of 10) very nice weather.

I don’t recall one quite this raw and extended though.

Newfound Lake was over normal levels before this current weather wave.

I took Tuesday off for a longer weekend rather than Friday

There is plenty of time off season for quiet times on the lake. I love seeing all the activity on the lake on big week ends. So I kind of miss it.
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Now that is something I hope we NEVER see in the lakes region.

Nothing but trouble. Read for yourself.

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/375691/
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@WinnisquamZ should be all set then. But I don't think that is quite what he had in mind nor I.
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Haha. Not at all. LRC is nothing more then a home game. Think bigger. Maybe, in time, we can transform the Colonial Theater. Oh course, parking will be needed


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It would never get permitting.
Those that supported expanded gaming did not support and open competitive bid process.
And Laconia is seeking to regain some of that Old Money that it has lost over the decades when the downtown was the center of our retail behavior.

Of course that is in direct competition with Scott Everett in Lakeport, but the city has deeper pockets if it truly wants to pursue. Rusty is good, Kevin is OK, but Scott has very deep pockets.
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Talking $2.28 rainy day activity - declutter

The weather is the weather, and when you get hit with a rainy day weekend like this one, Saturday July 3, and Sunday July 4, 2021, is best to just change your weekend plans and do something productive like de-cluttering or getting rid of the too much stuff that clutters up your home.

For $2.28 at Walmart you can get a 5-pak of heavy brown paper leaf disposal bags that hold 30-gallons each and use these for sorting and removing all those old shoes, dvd's, plant pots, kitchen ware, garden tools, housewares, boat items, sports items, and then transport these big brown paper bags of un-needed stuff to the local thrift store, local free store at the town transfer station, or donation steel container.

$2.28 is a low price to pay to get started on your de-clutter and it will be a great way to get something good done on a weather-crappy weekend like this one. ......
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In California, if it rains between the end of April and the end of November, the event will make front-page news.

Thunderstorms are so rare I think I've seen two in over forty years there...But they were incredible storms...Hundreds of lightening bolts in the sky at the same time, continuously for over 40 minutes...Accompanied by hail like I had never seen before....So...

I'm enjoying these storms here. It's not a long-holiday weekend for me....Just an annoying traffic congestion event... I grocery shopped early in the week.

I feel for those who have planned on a long weekend getaway and the weather has ruined their plans. I'm reminded that in New England, you'd better have a back-up plan for that outdoor wedding. A forty degree drop in temperature in 24 hours has me searching for the sweatshirt I took off three weeks ago...And I may have to put socks on.
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As a New Englander and New Hampshire'ite I do believe those from this neck O the woods forget, Blink and the Weather Changes, it's a New England thing.
We were discussing this weather crap this morning, and she said do you remember the year it rained every week-end all summer, I laughed and said yep I do recall that lousy summer, the first time we went camping in a tent in the Mountains and it pissed on us the whole week-end.
Chin up folks, it's unlikely it will do the whole summer thing again, but don't forget it is New England.....
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What a great way to beat the big heat, beat the cold dreary rain, or beat whatever happens with the local weather.

Go ice skating at the www.wvicearena.com/public-skating-times-schedule for eight dollars. Is happening from July 2 to August 22, 2021.

The WV Ice Arena is huge, luxurious and and always has excellent quality Zamboni smooth ice.

After skating around in the always cold and dry 35-degree indoor ice arena, swimming in the 65-70 degree Corcoran's Pond, next door, should feel pretty warm! .......

This WV Ice Arena website doesn't do a good job of showing you what it is. Is a huge, bright and happening indoor ice arena!
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I think we all see something that relates to climate change. The question is: man-made" or natural changed in the tilt of the earth on its axis. If it is a "normal" result of the change of the tilt, then electric cars on only one northern continent or even two, will have little impact. Better technology (e.g. solar) may help us deal with the change, but it is unlikely that we can "prevent" by changing to solar and nuclear, or generating electricity from the tides or wind.
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I think we all see something that relates to climate change. The question is: man-made" or natural changed in the tilt of the earth on its axis. If it is a "normal" result of the change of the tilt, then electric cars on only one northern continent or even two, will have little impact. Better technology (e.g. solar) may help us deal with the change, but it is unlikely that we can "prevent" by changing to solar and nuclear, or generating electricity from the tides or wind.


Ten or twenty years ago, fossil fuel companies questioned whether climate change was real. Now there's so much data, they no longer do.

Furthermore, they even acknowledge significant climate change being caused by fossil fuels.

Today, the only people who still assert that climate change is natural are people who are unable to get the oil industry's old propaganda out of their heads

We all need to do whatever we can to slow it down
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The Earth started out as a molten rock, unable to support life. Man had yet to exist.

Then it became a frozen body covered with glaciers. Man had yet to exist. The glaciers melted and left New England with mountains smoother and rounder than those out west. The planet "changed" into a hospitable place where man could finally be born.

We have been recording weather "data" for a very short time...Like 137 years. The thermometer wasn't invented until the 1700's.

Does "climate change" exist? Well, yes and no. Since climate change has always existed, there is no "change" to the process.

Is the climate changing? Well, yes, it always has been.

The answer to stopping it isn't electric cars. One volcano eruption spews more gunk into the air than all cars.

Do we all want a cleaner planet? Of course. Man's guilt and self-flagellation, however, is misguided.
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The Earth started out as a molten rock, unable to support life. Man had yet to exist.

Then it became a frozen body covered with glaciers. Man had yet to exist. The glaciers melted and left New England with mountains smoother and rounder than those out west. The planet "changed" into a hospitable place where man could finally be born.

We have been recording weather "data" for a very short time...Like 137 years. The thermometer wasn't invented until the 1700's.

Does "climate change" exist? Well, yes and no. Since climate change has always existed, there is no "change" to the process.

Is the climate changing? Well, yes, it always has been.

The answer to stopping it isn't electric cars. One volcano eruption spews more gunk into the air than all cars.

Do we all want a cleaner planet? Of course. Man's guilt and self-flagellation, however, is misguided.
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Actually MAN existed prior to and during the last glacial period.

There are very basic reasons for climate study, farmers and agriculturist use them to determine the zones and variants within the precipitation rates.
Engineers also use them for construction and other projects.

Though the change is slow... longer term planning has a need for study.

Originally, a lot of the global data was collected during WWII for increased accuracy in longer term weather prediction. But satellites now collect much of the data, as ground stations have been show to attributing local factors.

For us locally, it is more accuracy than the older Farmer's Almanacs... which I think currently employ some of that data in their forecasting.

Should summers become wetter and cooler... it will change how some local businesses will operate over the next several decades should they survive.
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Actually MAN existed prior to and during the last glacial period.

There are very basic reasons for climate study, farmers and agriculturist use them to determine the zones and variants within the precipitation rates.
Engineers also use them for construction and other projects. Though the change is slow... longer term planning has a need for study. Originally, a lot of the global data was collected during WWII for increased accuracy in longer term weather prediction. But satellites now collect much of the data, as ground stations have been show to attributing local factors. For us locally, it is more accuracy than the older Farmer's Almanacs... which I think currently employ some of that data in their forecasting. Should summers become wetter and cooler... it will change how some local businesses will operate over the next several decades should they survive.
That's not what GarySanFran wrote, but both are correct.

Little life existed following a really deep freeze.

"Even at the equator – the warmest place on Earth – the average temperature was a frigid -20°C, equivalent to modern-day Antarctica. Most life was wiped out, and the creatures that did survive huddled in small pockets of open water, where hot springs continued to bubble up.

"This was "Snowball Earth" – a deep freeze that began around 715 million years ago and held Earth in its icy grip for a good 120 million years. "There are no other comparable glacial periods on Earth. This one was really quite catastrophic," says Graham Shields of University College London in the UK."
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I don't understand the resistance to renewable energy sources?
We all know the pollution produced by burning fossil fuels and our dependence on other countries for oil.
Any portion of renewable energy that could reduce our dependency on other nations should be welcomed regardless of of the climate change.
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That's not what GarySanFran wrote, but both are correct.

Little life existed following a really deep freeze.

"Even at the equator – the warmest place on Earth – the average temperature was a frigid -20°C, equivalent to modern-day Antarctica. Most life was wiped out, and the creatures that did survive huddled in small pockets of open water, where hot springs continued to bubble up.

"This was "Snowball Earth" – a deep freeze that began around 715 million years ago and held Earth in its icy grip for a good 120 million years. "There are no other comparable glacial periods on Earth. This one was really quite catastrophic," says Graham Shields of University College London in the UK."
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150...s%20on%20Earth.
To make the argument that scientist don't know... because the thermometer is on a few hundred years old and our weather data a bit more than a century, and in the same statement suggest that scientist know what happened millions of years ago and what the temperature at the equator was... you don't find a failing in the thought process of the statement?
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I don't understand the resistance to renewable energy sources?
We all know the pollution produced by burning fossil fuels and our dependence on other countries for oil.
Any portion of renewable energy that could reduce our dependency on other nations should be welcomed regardless of of the climate change.
Because some things would not transfer well...
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We can send people to the Moon and space ships to Mars, I'm sure we could figure it out and adapt!
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I don't understand the resistance to renewable energy sources?
We all know the pollution produced by burning fossil fuels and our dependence on other countries for oil.
Any portion of renewable energy that could reduce our dependency on other nations should be welcomed regardless of of the climate change.
It's hard to discuss this without some level of politics creeping in. I think we all want to get to the same destination: clean water, clean air, etc. The unresolved question is how to get there. I would rather see private enterprise drive the bus (BRAVO Jeff Bezos this am) than Washington, DC.
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We can send people to the Moon and space ships to Mars, I'm sure we could figure it out and adapt!
It is not the adaptation, it is the politics.

My understanding is the the grid can take 5-6% of intermittent production and remain stable. (I am not a great authority on that - just my understanding)
The two major sources we think of in that category is solar and wind.

Unfortunately, large projects with either of these two tend to reshape a neighborhood... and can get push back.

Smaller (though a loose term) rooftop solar projects don't seem to have that politicized negativity around them. They could reach that percentage threshold without improvements to the grid... but are most easily achieved with a steady flow of credits and public service advertisements. We just have not done that great with this in NH.

The rest of the supply would be a steady baseload that could be geared up when necessary and down when demand ebbs. That supply has cheaper formats like Natural Gas, and more expensive formats like biomass. To make the more expensive formats work, the government had to place in carve outs and a credit/tax type system under our Renewable Portfolio Standard statue.

In either case, because it involve some sort of credit/tax system... politicians both want to limit the impact and divide up based on the various interests they represent.

And that is just the production side of electricity... it doesn't even touch the usage side.
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It's hard to discuss this without some level of politics creeping in. I think we all want to get to the same destination: clean water, clean air, etc. The unresolved question is how to get there. I would rather see private enterprise drive the bus (BRAVO Jeff Bezos this am) than Washington, DC.
I think you're seeing this from the automotive industry. The last administration relaxed emission and fuel consumption standards but the Automotive industry kept moving forward with low and no emission vehicles. And now the push is on towards full EV production. I would say that's driving the bus, the truck, the car, and eventually the boat! .
As far as wind and solar I think that will take some government intervention because the infrastructure improvements can't move forward without it.
We will need future administrations with forward thinking to get it done because it will take many years to complete.
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Sailboats have been around for some time now.
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Very true but they are mostly use recreationally, esp on the lakes. They are rarely used for transportation.
You don't see anyone hoping on their sale boat to go to dinner and I've never seen one pull up to the town docks around the lake unless they were paddling a small sunfish.

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I expect for people with island cottages/camps it will be awhile before we see significant change from gas powered to some other format.
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To make the argument that scientist don't know... because the thermometer is only a few hundred years old and our weather data a bit more than a century, and in the same statement suggest that scientist know what happened millions of years ago and what the temperature at the equator was... you don't find a failing in the thought process of the statement?
Fossil-fuel scientists sift through miles-deep earth cores to detect lifeforms, and can date them within a few million years. (Plus those cores bereft of lifeforms--consistent with extremely low temperatures).

Official Government thermometers have been faithfully recording temperatures for a century as cities, asphalt parking lots, highways, and airports have altered the weather around them.
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And the post suggested that the proxy measurement is accurate, while the instrumental measurements are hokum.

No scientist would ever suggest such a thing.
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NASA has adjusted temperatures for 2016.



2020 is now the hottest year on record.
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Global warming is not expected to be a smooth upward curve...
And according to your data we should be still accelerating out of a glacial period, since no one is predicting that we have hit the top of the bell curve in this trend line.

The question is not really whether the Earth would become warmer, as it is expected to be warmer, then growing cooler as it trends down to the next ice age. The question is really at what rate of change? If it has a high delta, adaptation of species generally does not occur fast enough.
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The Earth started out as a molten rock, unable to support life. Man had yet to exist.

Then it became a frozen body covered with glaciers. Man had yet to exist. The glaciers melted and left New England with mountains smoother and rounder than those out west. The planet "changed" into a hospitable place where man could finally be born.

We have been recording weather "data" for a very short time...Like 137 years. The thermometer wasn't invented until the 1700's.

Does "climate change" exist? Well, yes and no. Since climate change has always existed, there is no "change" to the process.

Is the climate changing? Well, yes, it always has been.

The answer to stopping it isn't electric cars. One volcano eruption spews more gunk into the air than all cars.

Do we all want a cleaner planet? Of course. Man's guilt and self-flagellation, however, is misguided.
I’m sure it’s pointless to point it out.

But there are methods to look at historical temps, rainfall, fires, co2 and volcano’s over millions of years

It’s pretty clear we are F’n up. No, electric cars won’t save the planet. We’ll have to do a hell of lot more than that.

It’s highly unlikely we’ll have wet summers. It’s more likely we’ll fry like most of the country is, fairly soon.

It’s all about rate of change due to mankind. We all know change has happened and will happen. But not on this scale.
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You want me to do what?

I was watching a live-weather radar map sponsored by The National Weather Service a few days ago. The forecast for rain in Meredith was 0% for the next 120 minutes. At the same time, I was watching it pour out my window.

We've all made fun of weather forecasting. You know..."If I was wrong on my job as often as weather forecasters, I'd get fired"!

Well, I'm not going to substantially change my current life for what some say will benefit the weather 100-1,000 years from now, when they can't tell me it's currently raining outside.

Back in the 70's, it was global cooling. Then it became global warming. Now it's called global climate change. What force(s) changed the language?

Let's ALL support a clean environment within reason...You understand reason don't you?

By ALL, I mean China, Russia, India, Lower Slobovia, Bedrock and the USA...ALL at the same time. I don't want to purchase an environmentally friendly air conditioner made in a polluting factory in China that employs slave labor.

I think the USA is very focused on an evolutionary process in this regard. Remember, things done with today's technology, may be less efficient with tomorrow's advancements.

Revolutions tend to move too fast, leaving reasonable thought and caution aside, whereas evolution builds on yesterday's knowledge of success AND failures and grows more accurately identifying the need over time.

One fault I think we have as Americans, is that we want immediacy a bit too often and sacrifice the long-term vision.
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I remember one day many years ago, reading a UPI article in the newspaper on green house effects. Several pages later, same paper, same day was an AP article on the same subject. Both cited studies on the greenhouse effect. BUT, one claimed that contaminants in the atmosphere blocked the sun's rays and we were seeing a cooling effect. The other claimed that contaminants in the atmosphere trapped the sun's heat and were getting an overall warming effect. I imagine the authors of both studies examined the same historical data to arrive at their conclusions.

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I remember one day many years ago, reading a UPI article in the newspaper on green house effects. Several pages later, same paper, same day was an AP article on the same subject. Both cited studies on the greenhouse effect. BUT, one claimed that contaminants in the atmosphere blocked the sun's rays and we were seeing a cooling effect. The other claimed that contaminants in the atmosphere trapped the sun's heat and were getting an overall warming effect. I imagine the authors of both studies examined the same historical data to arrive at their conclusions.

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Yes, "many years ago"....Science is never perfect, but it is the best we have.

More recently--I'm sure you've read countless articles from a wide variety of publications over just the past few weeks that indicate that it's virtually unanimous that climate change is being driven by human activity, and that our kids and grandchildren are likely to be in deep trouble
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"Unfortunately, science today is too influenced by politics. The ideal of a scientist is an objective, ‘disinterested’ observer. If one holds strong emotional positions on a topic, then it is all too easy to have conclusions, and even observations, colored by those viewpoints.

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I remember one day many years ago, reading a UPI article in the newspaper on green house effects. Several pages later, same paper, same day was an AP article on the same subject. Both cited studies on the greenhouse effect. BUT, one claimed that contaminants in the atmosphere blocked the sun's rays and we were seeing a cooling effect. The other claimed that contaminants in the atmosphere trapped the sun's heat and were getting an overall warming effect. I imagine the authors of both studies examined the same historical data to arrive at their conclusions.

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They both did. We had an unusual period of cooling that caused predictions that we were entering an Ice Age. But the orbital forcing math did not support the predictions, so everyone was looking for the causation.

After acid rain was discovered to be having a dramatic effect on lakes in New England, and the culprit was SO2 and NOx entering the atmosphere, a cap and trade system was developed at the federal level to reduce the emissions, and the statistics showed an immediate warming effect.

Further studies revealed that certain compounds can have a cooling effect, while other compounds have a warming effect.
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Old 07-28-2021, 07:14 AM   #76
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The front page of today's San Francisco Chronicle reports a "slight drizzle" in Northern California yesterday.

Can you imagine front page reporting of rain in The Lakes Region this year?

I think it would be more appropriate for the front page reports to be of "No rain in forecast"...
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Old 07-30-2021, 08:12 AM   #77
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Let it rain!
Just a thought for those who've had mature trees taken down recently.

The presence of trees keeps strong winds from uprooting their nearby neighbor-trees. Now that the earth is saturated, we can expect more loss of trees.

A neighbor had his adjacent lot evaluated for building on. The environmental survey (of which I have a copy) wrote, "Unsuitable for structures". Ten years ago, that soggy lot was sold and built upon. Most of the trees between our lots have been incrementally blown over in the same direction.

On the other side of our place, the majority are straight, as a forest of trees would be expected to be. Most within 50-feet of the water are leaning over the lake. Most of those have been affected by erosion: Large boulders are sliding in. Some actually fall, and are even heard--as they roll in.

All this rain will have consequences.
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Just a thought for those who've had mature trees taken down recently.

The presence of trees keeps strong winds from uprooting their nearby neighbor-trees. Now that the earth is saturated, we can expect more loss of trees.

A neighbor had his adjacent lot evaluated for building on. The environmental survey (of which I have a copy) wrote, "Unsuitable for structures". Ten years ago, that soggy lot was sold and built upon. Most of the trees between our lots have been incrementally blown over in the same direction.

On the other side of our place, the majority are straight, as a forest of trees would be expected to be. Most within 50-feet of the water are leaning over the lake. Most of those have been affected by erosion: Large boulders are sliding in. Some actually fall, and are even heard--as they roll in.

All this rain will have consequences.
I'm hoping we do not see a hurricane hit this area this year (actually I hope one never hits this area).

A bad hurricane will tip over trees like pins falling in a bowling alley because the ground is so saturated.
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It appears the Lake level is continuing to rise. My dock is now underwater with weights holding the boards in place. When will it go down? It appears Lakeport dam is operating at near full capacity discharge...
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Sorry to hear that. It will be a few days before we see some relief as a bit more rain is forecasted and more to the south. With a warm weekend forecast I fear the boat traffic may cause havoc this weekend


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Just a thought for those who've had mature trees taken down recently.

The presence of trees keeps strong winds from uprooting their nearby neighbor-trees. Now that the earth is saturated, we can expect more loss of trees.

A neighbor had his adjacent lot evaluated for building on. The environmental survey (of which I have a copy) wrote, "Unsuitable for structures". Ten years ago, that soggy lot was sold and built upon. Most of the trees between our lots have been incrementally blown over in the same direction.

On the other side of our place, the majority are straight, as a forest of trees would be expected to be. Most within 50-feet of the water are leaning over the lake. Most of those have been affected by erosion: Large boulders are sliding in. Some actually fall, and are even heard--as they roll in.

All this rain will have consequences.
Even though some trees may be 100 years old, they don't have deep root systems, since much of NH doesn't have deep dirt. Hate to lose the trees, but better to be the "Granite State" than the "Deep Dirt" state. Walking though the (~100 acres) woods behind our camp, we find huge pines that have blown down despite being several hundred feet into theprotection of other trees. Sometimes, a really big one will get hit by lightning and explode like a firecracker. Shards can be found stuck in the ground many feet away from the tree base. It is intriguing to wander through woods that have not been managed, harvested or otherwise maintained for over 100 years after the sheep stopped grazing the land.
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Looks like a SWEET 3-day stretch to get some midweek boating in! Today may be the first "real" sandbar day we get in....

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Looks like a SWEET 3-day stretch to get some midweek boating in! Today may be the first "real" sandbar day we get in....

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Wish I was there today, maybe tomorrow. This has been the worst boating summer In the past 7 which I have owned up there.
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Wish I was there today, maybe tomorrow. This has been the worst boating summer In the past 7 which I have owned up there.
It's AMAZING today. West Alton sandbar was 3/4 empty with almost zero wind and boat chop.

We're on the second leg of our day waiting for Shibley's since Pop's is closed (sad face!) and Dockside doesn't open until 3. First time at Shibley's, so we'll see...

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