Ragged island overnight

[Bandrews7]

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Bandrews7

Has anyone had experience staying the night on the dock at ragged? Please don’t go into the that’s illegal deal. Stayed at the Stonedam dock this weekend and it was epic to be in complete peace. After Labor Day is a different lake completely.


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It’s great till you get caught! Not the brightest thing to brag about either in an open forum...

[DBreskin]

Originally Posted by Bandrews7

Please don’t go into the that’s illegal deal.

Behavior like that ends up ruining things for everyone and shows a lack of respect for others.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by DBreskin

Behavior like that ends up ruining things for everyone and shows a lack of respect for others.

This.

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[Descant]

Dumb and disrespectful. Bandrews7 should get off the lake and off the Forum.

[JADAQ]

The location of this person speaks volumes...

[Dave R]

It's a shame stuff like that is not allowed. Have fun, leave it better than you found it, don't confess to it publicly, and don't get caught.

If overnight (or longer) boating trips appeal to you, consider moving to the ocean. We do it all the time out of Hampton River Marina. It's awesome.

[XCR-700]

So just how did this nonsense law about not sleeping overnight ever get on the books?

Not sure I understand how it is fundamentally different than boating on the lake 24 hrs/day so long as you don't actually sleep, and/or sleeping while docked or anchored during the day,,,

I'm sure there is some aspect I am missing so please enlighten me.

[BroadHopper]

However the marine patrol interpret differently. According to the wording of the statute any vessel with a galley and head shall not anchor overnight on inland waters in NH. Legally you can anchor overnight if you do not have a galley or head. But the marine patrol will not allow any boat(s) to anchor overnight.

Decades ago I use to anchor off Timber frequently but today I can't. Even without a head or galley.

A shorefront owner landed in court a few years ago when he allowed a friend to anchor overnight with permission in front of his property. Due to a technicality, since the boat was tied a registered mooring, he was not anchoring. The state beg to differ. I have not seen any change in the law nor have any new legislation was introduced. I expect to see some shat to happen in court with sleazy lawyers!

[SAB1]

Thankfully it not allowed

[Wifi-1]

The Braun Bay thread proves why a head would be an advantage

The cooler thread shows why a galley isn't necessary


I don't get it, unless the children or safety is involved in the argument.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by SAB1

Thankfully it not allowed

What could go wrong?

[Slickcraft]

There is another aspect to this. The dock at Stonedam in on conservation land owned by The Lakes Region Conservation Trust. The LRCT also owns Ragged Island.
https://lrct.org/conserved-lands/

The public access policy allows for many types of enjoyment but does not allow any overnight use.

https://lrct.org/explorelearn/public-access-recreation/

Many members of this Forum are also LRCT members some making substantial contributions to allow LRCT to conserve land and/or to support maintenance. Some also volunteer time for annual clean up for places like Stonedam and Ragged.

If not for LRCT places like this would have been developed and there would be no public access period.

I find it offensive for someone violating the public access policy of these special places.

Alan

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Slickcraft

There is another aspect to this. The dock at Stonedam in on conservation land owned by The Lakes Region Conservation Trust. The LRCT also owns Ragged Island.
https://lrct.org/conserved-lands/

The public access policy allows for many types of enjoyment but does not allow any overnight use.

https://lrct.org/explorelearn/public-access-recreation/

Many members of this Forum are also LRCT members some making substantial contributions to allow LRCT to conserve land and/or to support maintenance. Some also volunteer time for annual clean up for places like Stonedam and Ragged.

If not for LRCT places like this would have been developed and there would be no public access period.

I find it offensive for someone violating the public access policy of these special places.

Alan

Thank you Alan! We too are big supporters of the LRCT and your post is spot on!

Dan

[Descant]

I see a parallel to open use of private property for snowmobile and OHRV trails, hiking, etc. When landowners find abuses, they close the land to all use. LRCT could do the same thing.

[Wifi-1]

I have mixed feelings about LRCT, for a number of reasons.

I remember when they were soliciting the public for money to buy the Castle in the Clouds. So as not to affront the snomobiling community and their contributions, they promised not to close any trails at the Castle. Right after they bought it, they closed all but one trail.

[BroadHopper]

I agree. My family has a working farm, we decided to conserve the land and approach LRCT. They wanted the farm close and curtail the hiking trails to the public. We deed it to Belknap Conservatory Trust. Now I am worried as there are talk of merging with LRCT. I ask the question of continued land use. LRCT will not respond. I refuse to support LRCT.

Originally Posted by Wifi-1

I have mixed feelings about LRCT, for a number of reasons.

I remember when they were soliciting the public for money to buy the Castle in the Clouds. So as not to affront the snomobiling community and their contributions, they promised not to close any trails at the Castle. Right after they bought it, they closed all but one trail.

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[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I agree. My family has a working farm, we decided to conserve the land and approach LRCT. They wanted the farm close and curtail the hiking trails to the public. We deed it to Belknap Conservatory Trust. Now I am worried as there are talk of merging with LRCT. I ask the question of continued land use. LRCT will not respond. I refuse to support LRCT.

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Does your family allow camping on their conserved land? If not, why? Probably the same reason why the LRCT does not allow it at their docks and property....

Just sayin...

Dan

[Descant]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Does your family allow camping on their conserved land? If not, why? Probably the same reason why the LRCT does not allow it at their docks and property....

Just sayin...

Dan

The point is, they have future control (unless the bequest/easement states otherwise.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Does your family allow camping on their conserved land? If not, why? Probably the same reason why the LRCT does not allow it at their docks and property....

Just sayin...

Dan

Sorry I misrepresent you Dan. No we do not allow overnight camping. We are not equip for it nor do we have emergency access in case. We did permit overnight youth organization activities, something LRCT condemn.

Again sorry.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I agree. My family has a working farm, we decided to conserve the land and approach LRCT. They wanted the farm close and curtail the hiking trails to the public. We deed it to Belknap Conservatory Trust. Now I am worried as there are talk of merging with LRCT. I ask the question of continued land use. LRCT will not respond. I refuse to support LRCT.

Thank you for your generosity to the people of NH, and others. I know from family members how long it takes (sometimes years) to draft a good easement and have it be compatible with abutting easements.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Descant

Thank you for your generosity to the people of NH, and others. I know from family members how long it takes (sometimes years) to draft a good easement and have it be compatible with abutting easements.

Agreed and understood...my point was some don’t understand why The LRCT does not open their docks / land to overnight boaters. I think Broadhoppers situation is a perfect example of how others who have land conserved in a public trust would not want overnight campers either.

The Broadhopper family should be commended for their land conservation efforts!!

Dan

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Wifi-1

I have mixed feelings about LRCT, for a number of reasons.

I remember when they were soliciting the public for money to buy the Castle in the Clouds. So as not to affront the snomobiling community and their contributions, they promised not to close any trails at the Castle. Right after they bought it, they closed all but one trail.

I think LRCT is terrific, and it's OK with me if you disagree with them, you have every right to do so. But those are separate matters.

It's not OK to disrespect a landowner's rights, and they are the landowner here

[Wifi-1]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I think LRCT is terrific, and it's OK with me if you disagree with them, you have every right to do so. But those are separate matters.

It's not OK to disrespect a landowner's rights, and they are the landowner here

I don't nor did I imply in my post, disrespecting a land owners right. I was pointing out my disgust about raising funds promising one thing, then as soon as you get the $$, doing the opposite.

As a matter of fact, I won a suit against them for disrespecting my land rights.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by ApS

What could go wrong?

It already has,,,

[Wifi-1]

Never noticed how their radar antenna is not even close to level. Like it is pointed to swimmers in front, and UFO's aft !

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by Wifi-1

Never noticed how their radar antenna is not even close to level. Like it is pointed to swimmers in front, and UFO's aft !

Good catch, guess someone has to keep track of those pesky swimmers from the UFOs.

Maybe thats the true purpose of this thing.

I've seen some strange things on the lake over the last 50+ years but this one tops them all so far.

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by Wifi-1

Never noticed how their radar antenna is not even close to level. Like it is pointed to swimmers in front, and UFO's aft !

Probably not a radar array on the roof. More likely a TV receiver for Dish or DirectTV, like you see on RVs.

Dave

[SAB1]

Sorry xcr but I’ll differ on opinion. Been on that lake over 50 years and what we see now is unthought of back 20 years ago. Not saying it will be rampant but it would happen for sure. Wasn’t singling our day trippers just used that for example.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by SAB1

Sorry xcr but IÂ’ll differ on opinion. Been on that lake over 50 years and what we see now is unthought of back 20 years ago. Not saying it will be rampant but it would happen for sure. WasnÂ’t singling our day trippers just used that for example.

Ok by me, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I have mine and they differ. No worries here.

As for what we see now (a changed lake from 20+ years ago), I agree! I think were we part company is what we see and why.

What I see is a lake full of "new boaters" that dont follow any rules, and boaters of any vintage that are rude, obnoxious, and grossly unsafe, and I believe most of them own homes on the lake or keep their boats in a marina on the lake. I constantly see them taking off from their docks or marinas like wannabe NASCAR drivers, with boats full of people, not adhering to the most basic safety standards.

At this point I will no longer boat on Winnipesaukee on Saturdays, and even Sundays are becoming a problem.

Rarely do I see anyone with large boats (that you might be capable of sleeping on, or people interested in doing so) launching from trailers. Its just too hard to trailer the size boats we see on Winnipesaukee and there are just too few places to launch from and park a truck and trailer and do so for a price a working family can afford on a regular basis. As for trailer boaters, I mostly see families trailering their modest size boats and then taking them home at the end of the day. Not dudes looking to party hard and find a place to drop anchor when they are on the verge of passing out.

You may be seeing something different.

Clearly the lake has evolved, some of it not to my liking, but it is still a place that I cherish.

And I recognize people have different preferences;

I thoroughly enjoy a whiff of 2-cycle oil from an old outboard staring up first thing in the morning and the sound of a thru-hull exhaust on an old jet boat, but I have no use to hear anyone's music blasting across the lake.

You may have a very different set of likes and dislikes, and that ok, so long as we both respect each others reasonable boundaries.

What I worry about is restrictive rules/laws based on fear mongering and/or the few instances of serious problems. I mostly shrug off the obnoxious idiots, I guess I assume they will eventually move on to the next thing that allows them to show off.

But I dont live there every day, so again, you may be seeing something different and more of it.

ATB

[DBreskin]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Rarely do I see anyone with large boats (that you might be capable of sleeping on, or people interested in doing so) launching from trailers.

Perhaps the reason you don’t see large boats being trailered is because they can’t anchor overnight. If the rule changes then the frequency of large boats being trailered may change.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

What could go wrong?


It already has,,,

How about a multi-family houseboat to take up even more space on a crowded lake? Maybe anchored off your shore?

It just needs paint, that's all.

While withholding summer income from lake businesses, what's a good fee schedule for this houseboat? $125?

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by ApS

How about a multi-family houseboat to take up even more space on a crowded lake? Maybe anchored off your shore?

It just needs paint, that's all.

While withholding summer income from lake businesses, what's a good fee schedule for this houseboat? $125?

Personally I enjoy a little redneck engineering.

So I vote for the top one! He/she/whoever can park in front of my house any day so long as I can get a tour.



p.s. I particularly like the old 2-stroke Johnson! Nothing beats the smell of 2-cycle oil and marine/white gas first think in the morning, it's THE best.

[Garcia]

I don’t think you can moor your boat and sleep on it on Lake George. You can reserve a campsite on a state owned island, but if you don’t have a reservation, cannot just drop anchor and spend the night.

There are not any state owned islands on Winnipesaukee, so I don’t see a system like Lake George ever happening.

I don’t have a philosophical issue with someone spending a night on a public dock, but from a practical point of view see nothing but problems. Public dock space is already at a premium and the three hour time is often ignored. On a summer night the docks in Meredith are often full until 8:00 at night, sometimes later. What time would someone be able to pull up for the night - and what time would they have to leave?

I’m not that familiar with Champlain or the Thousand Islands. My guess, and it’s just that, is that they must have more spaces available to the public than Winnipesaukee. Also, in either of those areas can you anchor wherever you want and sleep on board, or do you have to be at a dock?

Regardless of how any of us feel about the issue, the reality is that the rules as they currently exist are not going to change.

[Descant]

I have many memories of sleeping over at public docks, enumerated in old threads. Basically, it got too crowded and the towns weren't willing to deal with it. Charging a fee to stay overnight, and setting a plan so that a one time walk through for enforcement makes sense to me. It works for parking downtown. I think the towns are missing an opportunity. So are the motels that have their own docks.
I'd be happy to pay a meter fee if that got me a dockmaster to manage the sequence of boats and made people stop blocking other boats by tying up in the middle of the dock.

[iw8surf]

We take 2 trips on 70' house boats every year in both Bull Shoals Lake in Arkansas and on Lake Powell. Its pretty amazing stepping onto a boat that you control and isn't a "cruise ship" and not touching land for a week. And if you do touch land its usually unoccupied. We typically travel for a day or two camp over night and keep moving until we hit our destination. Anchor up the house boat there and enjoy the week with the out and about boat to explore. Now I don't really see that being practical on Winni but its definitely an awesome experience if you ever get the chance to try. And oh man the stars from out there.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Descant

I have many memories of sleeping over at public docks, enumerated in old threads. Basically, it got too crowded and the towns weren't willing to deal with it. Charging a fee to stay overnight, and setting a plan so that a one time walk through for enforcement makes sense to me. It works for parking downtown. I think the towns are missing an opportunity. So are the motels that have their own docks.
I'd be happy to pay a meter fee if that got me a dockmaster to manage the sequence of boats and made people stop blocking other boats by tying up in the middle of the dock.

Why would you need to tie up to a town dock?

New Hampshire doesn't require pump-out inspections as required in Florida's ocean waters.

You can rent a barge and put your RV on it—throw out an anchor anywhere. 'Save on Property Taxes.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Garcia

I don’t think you can moor your boat and sleep on it on Lake George. You can reserve a campsite on a state owned island, but if you don’t have a reservation, cannot just drop anchor and spend the night.

There are not any state owned islands on Winnipesaukee, so I don’t see a system like Lake George ever happening.

I don’t have a philosophical issue with someone spending a night on a public dock, but from a practical point of view see nothing but problems. Public dock space is already at a premium and the three hour time is often ignored. On a summer night the docks in Meredith are often full until 8:00 at night, sometimes later. What time would someone be able to pull up for the night - and what time would they have to leave?

I’m not that familiar with Champlain or the Thousand Islands. My guess, and it’s just that, is that they must have more spaces available to the public than Winnipesaukee. Also, in either of those areas can you anchor wherever you want and sleep on board, or do you have to be at a dock?

Regardless of how any of us feel about the issue, the reality is that the rules as they currently exist are not going to change.

You absolutely can anchor overnight on Lake George. I've done it and it was fun. We shared our anchorage with about a dozen other boats and it was peaceful and quiet. The island camp sites are more for boats that don't have berths.

The LRCT owns some islands and are missing a great opportunity to put them to better use by not encouraging camping on them, IMO. There are very good examples of the same sort of thing happening with great success on nearby lakes. Valcourt, Knights, and Burton Islands on Champlain (there are probably more...) all successfully allow camping of various types ranging from wilderness camping to rental cabins. Obviously Lake George is famous for its island camp sites.

Champlain allows overnight anchoring and while most towns do not have overnight transient docks, there are plenty of marinas that do, mainly because plenty of slips are empty when people leave them to go anchor overnight or visit the islands that allow camping etc. The marinas get to rent the empty slips out at a very good profit (the slips are already paid for so they get to double dip at an inflated short term rate) and everybody wins. For this reason alone, I'm surprised Winnipesaukee marinas aren't actively advocating to allow overnight anchoring and overnight use of town docks.

1000 Islands allows overnight anchoring and the towns have transient dockage too. There area also tons of islands that allow camping, and have moorings and docks to use.

For an even closer example, one could also look at Portsmouth NH to see how allowing overnight docking at a public dock works. They get $2 a foot for transients by Prescott park and it works very well for the city and boaters. We docked near there a few weeks ago and had a fantastic evening.

If Meredith charged 2 bucks a foot and allowed overnight docking, I bet many of those boats that are there until 8 PM would just stay for the night and spend more money at local businesses. I bet they could easily get 4 bucks a foot at high season too... Many of those boats that spent the night would likely leave an empty slip at a marina somewhere that could rent out the slip for the night. It all cascades and makes great use of resources that currently go unused all night, every night.

In my experience, most of NH is the exception when it comes to these things. For a state full of towns that rely heavily on tourism, that seems like a bad plan to me. I guess they can just raise lakefront property tax to offset the lost revenue though.

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Dave R

You absolutely can anchor overnight on Lake George. I've done it and it was fun. We shared our anchorage with about a dozen other boats and it was peaceful and quiet. The island camp sites are more for boats that don't have berths.

The LRCT owns some islands and are missing a great opportunity to put them to better use by not encouraging camping on them, IMO. There are very good examples of the same sort of thing happening with great success on nearby lakes. Valcourt, Knights, and Burton Islands on Champlain (there are probably more...) all successfully allow camping of various types ranging from wilderness camping to rental cabins. Obviously Lake George is famous for its island camp sites.

Champlain allows overnight anchoring and while most towns do not have overnight transient docks, there are plenty of marinas that do, mainly because plenty of slips are empty when people leave them to go anchor overnight or visit the islands that allow camping etc. The marinas get to rent the empty slips out at a very good profit (the slips are already paid for so they get to double dip at an inflated short term rate) and everybody wins. For this reason alone, I'm surprised Winnipesaukee marinas aren't actively advocating to allow overnight anchoring and overnight use of town docks.

1000 Islands allows overnight anchoring and the towns have transient dockage too. There area also tons of islands that allow camping, and have moorings and docks to use.

For an even closer example, one could also look at Portsmouth NH to see how allowing overnight docking at a public dock works. They get $2 a foot for transients by Prescott park and it works very well for the city and boaters. We docked near there a few weeks ago and had a fantastic evening.

If Meredith charged 2 bucks a foot and allowed overnight docking, I bet many of those boats that are there until 8 PM would just stay for the night and spend more money at local businesses. I bet they could easily get 4 bucks a foot at high season too... Many of those boats that spent the night would likely leave an empty slip at a marina somewhere that could rent out the slip for the night. It all cascades and makes great use of resources that currently go unused all night, every night.

In my experience, most of NH is the exception when it comes to these things. For a state full of towns that rely heavily on tourism, that seems like a bad plan to me. I guess they can just raise lakefront property tax to offset the lost revenue though.

Thank you, especially for the info on Lake George. I was told one could not anchor overnight there; good to know you can.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Dave R

You absolutely can anchor overnight on Lake George. I've done it and it was fun. We shared our anchorage with about a dozen other boats and it was peaceful and quiet. The island camp sites are more for boats that don't have berths.

The LRCT owns some islands and are missing a great opportunity to put them to better use by not encouraging camping on them, IMO. There are very good examples of the same sort of thing happening with great success on nearby lakes. Valcourt, Knights, and Burton Islands on Champlain (there are probably more...) all successfully allow camping of various types ranging from wilderness camping to rental cabins. Obviously Lake George is famous for its island camp sites.

Champlain allows overnight anchoring and while most towns do not have overnight transient docks, there are plenty of marinas that do, mainly because plenty of slips are empty when people leave them to go anchor overnight or visit the islands that allow camping etc. The marinas get to rent the empty slips out at a very good profit (the slips are already paid for so they get to double dip at an inflated short term rate) and everybody wins. For this reason alone, I'm surprised Winnipesaukee marinas aren't actively advocating to allow overnight anchoring and overnight use of town docks.

1000 Islands allows overnight anchoring and the towns have transient dockage too. There area also tons of islands that allow camping, and have moorings and docks to use.

For an even closer example, one could also look at Portsmouth NH to see how allowing overnight docking at a public dock works. They get $2 a foot for transients by Prescott park and it works very well for the city and boaters. We docked near there a few weeks ago and had a fantastic evening.

If Meredith charged 2 bucks a foot and allowed overnight docking, I bet many of those boats that are there until 8 PM would just stay for the night and spend more money at local businesses. I bet they could easily get 4 bucks a foot at high season too... Many of those boats that spent the night would likely leave an empty slip at a marina somewhere that could rent out the slip for the night. It all cascades and makes great use of resources that currently go unused all night, every night.

In my experience, most of NH is the exception when it comes to these things. For a state full of towns that rely heavily on tourism, that seems like a bad plan to me. I guess they can just raise lakefront property tax to offset the lost revenue though.

Do the lakefront residents (and islanders) drink Lake Champlain's water?

[radiocontester]

Originally Posted by Dave R

It's a shame stuff like that is not allowed. Have fun, leave it better than you found it, don't confess to it publicly, and don't get caught.

If overnight (or longer) boating trips appeal to you, consider moving to the ocean. We do it all the time out of Hampton River Marina. It's awesome.

Dave you nailed it. The ocean is so much better. My first season this year was epic....you can overnight just about anywhere. I love the lake but for serious boating the ocean is the place to be.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by radiocontester

Dave you nailed it. The ocean is so much better. My first season this year was epic....you can overnight just about anywhere. I love the lake but for serious boating the ocean is the place to be.

This was our first year in a coastal slip as well. We had done quite a bit of ocean boating previously, but always in a trailered boat.

We miss or Winni friends, the warm swims, and all the close together and wonderful ports, but everything else about coastal boating is awesome. We love that we can leave our slip and make a 7000 mile loop (Great Loop + Downeast Loop) that allows for overnight stays in protected waters every night (thus the ability to wait out bad weather with ease), with only a mile of overlap.

How far did you venture from your slip? We made it as far south as the Statue of Liberty and as far west as La Salle, MI (solely due to the cruise home with the "new" boat); and as far north as Thomaston, ME this year. The only truly frightening experience was taking 8 foot breaking waves over the bow at the mouth of the Kennebec River, which was just awful. If you have not done the Maine coast yet (north and east of Portland) or Buzzards Bay/Martha's Vinyard, you are in for a treat.

[Taz]

Originally Posted by Dave R

This was our first year in a coastal slip as well. We had done quite a bit of ocean boating previously, but always in a trailered boat.

We miss or Winni friends, the warm swims, and all the close together and wonderful ports, but everything else about coastal boating is awesome. We love that we can leave our slip and make a 7000 mile loop (Great Loop + Downeast Loop) that allows for overnight stays in protected waters every night (thus the ability to wait out bad weather with ease), with only a mile of overlap.

I grew up on the ocean, lived in a ocean town, grew up boating on the ocean, although never over night and in smaller boats. Then discovered Winni and love it but I understand the allure of the ocean and it does have so much more to offer for serious boating. My compromise would be Champlain. Very large, overnight boating at anchor, mountains, warmer water than the ocean for swimming and maybe close enough to do on weekends while working. I have not boated the Maine coast but think that would be awesome also. However, so far my favorite over night boating experiences have been catamaran sailing in the carribean, there are mountains, the weather is spectacular, the water is warm, awesome beach bars and secluded overnight anchorages, incredible snorkeling.

what do you have for a boat now on the ocean?

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Taz

I grew up on the ocean, lived in a ocean town, grew up boating on the ocean, although never over night and in smaller boats. Then discovered Winni and love it but I understand the allure of the ocean and it does have so much more to offer for serious boating. My compromise would be Champlain. Very large, overnight boating at anchor, mountains, warmer water than the ocean for swimming and maybe close enough to do on weekends while working. I have not boated the Maine coast but think that would be awesome also. However, so far my favorite over night boating experiences have been catamaran sailing in the carribean, there are mountains, the weather is spectacular, the water is warm, awesome beach bars and secluded overnight anchorages, incredible snorkeling.

what do you have for a boat now on the ocean?

It's a Tollycraft 44 CPMY with twin CAT 3208TAs. We fully intend to take it to the Caribbean for the reasons you have stated. Our boat has already been there before for a 7 month stay with a previous owner who only sold it due to getting Parkinson's disease. We also intend to spend a Summer aboard it on Champlain in 2-3 years, and a summer aboard it in the 1000 Islands in 3-5 years. We've been planning this lifestyle for years and are psyched to have actually started. Winni started it all for us and it's just snowballed from there.

These folks have the same exact boat that we have and cruise many of the same places we've been or intend to go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq-f3Ns_Mrg&t=684s they have also been super helpful with advice and we keep in touch often.

[Taz]

Originally Posted by Dave R

It's a Tollycraft 44 CPMY with twin CAT 3208TAs. We fully intend to take it to the Caribbean for the reasons you have stated. Our boat has already been there before for a 7 month stay with a previous owner who only sold it due to getting Parkinson's disease. We also intend to spend a Summer aboard it on Champlain in 2-3 years, and a summer aboard it in the 1000 Islands in 3-5 years. We've been planning this lifestyle for years and are psyched to have actually started. Winni started it all for us and it's just snowballed from there.

These folks have the same exact boat that we have and cruise many of the same places we've been or intend to go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq-f3Ns_Mrg&t=684s they have also been super helpful with advice and we keep in touch often.

That's a great choice to do the kind of boating you are planning. You have some great plans. I wish you all best in your future boating. My wife loves the Nordic tug style. I like trawler style but will probably never be able to afford one of those. I know there are a lot of used but the kind of boat I would like used is still $200 - $300k. Down east lobster style like a Back Cove are also very nice.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Taz

That's a great choice to do the kind of boating you are planning. You have some great plans. I wish you all best in your future boating. My wife loves the Nordic tug style. I like trawler style but will probably never be able to afford one of those. I know there are a lot of used but the kind of boat I would like used is still $200 - $300k. Down east lobster style like a Back Cove are also very nice.

Nordic Tugs and Back Cove boats are quite different in purpose and function IMO. Back Cove boats are not really designed as a live aboard, and are really high-end cruisers meant for long weekend vacations at speed. They are what I would consider an alternative to a sedan sport fisherman, for someone that is not all that into fishing, but wants speed, quality and clean style. They are beautiful boats, but they trade a lot of function for form and are not as practical as a boat designed to be a full time home. You almost never hear of anyone doing a loop on a boat like a Back Cove and generally see them parked in front of waterfront mansions. Nordic Tugs are designed with far more amenities and safety features that make sense for live-aboards and they are great coastal cruisers. They typically have a much more cluttered look than a Back Cove, but that "clutter" makes daily life on a boat MUCH easier than on a boat where clean lines are a priority.


Nordic Tugs started making boats the same year Tollycraft went out of business. They are simply newer, thus the higher price they command on the used market.

My Tollycraft is kind of a hybrid. It is definitely designed to be a live aboard boat, but has the performance to hit 25 knots if desired. Style-wise, it's really bland, and very cluttered, but I did not buy it for style...

[Taz]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Nordic Tugs and Back Cove boats are quite different in purpose and function IMO. Back Cove boats are not really designed as a live aboard, and are really high-end cruisers meant for long weekend vacations at speed. They are what I would consider an alternative to a sedan sport fisherman, for someone that is not all that into fishing, but wants speed, quality and clean style. They are beautiful boats, but they trade a lot of function for form and are not as practical as a boat designed to be a full time home. You almost never hear of anyone doing a loop on a boat like a Back Cove and generally see them parked in front of waterfront mansions. Nordic Tugs are designed with far more amenities and safety features that make sense for live-aboards and they are great coastal cruisers. They typically have a much more cluttered look than a Back Cove, but that "clutter" makes daily life on a boat MUCH easier than on a boat where clean lines are a priority.

Nordic Tugs started making boats the same year Tollycraft went out of business. They are simply newer, thus the higher price they command on the used market.

My Tollycraft is kind of a hybrid. It is definitely designed to be a live aboard boat, but has the performance to hit 25 knots if desired. Style-wise, it's really bland, and very cluttered, but I did not buy it for style...

Thats a great looking boat! I love the lines. So that's a semi-displacement? Will that sedan bridge profile make higher wind days more difficult to handle? Yes, the Nordic Tug, Nordhavn, etc are more for full time liveaboard where as the lobster style, Back Cove, Sabre are beautiful boats but would be more for a few days at a time instead of full time but I love the lines to that style.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Taz

Thats a great looking boat! I love the lines. So that's a semi-displacement? Will that sedan bridge profile make higher wind days more difficult to handle? Yes, the Nordic Tug, Nordhavn, etc are more for full time liveaboard where as the lobster style, Back Cove, Sabre are beautiful boats but would be more for a few days at a time instead of full time but I love the lines to that style.

Thanks, we like the lines too, but it's not for everybody. I overheard someone talking about it being "too "oceany"" once, while it was being compared to a more sleek design (that looked like giant basketball shoe to me) we were docked next too. Made me smile... The boat is remarkably easy to handle at low speeds around the docks, even when there's a lot of wind. It has 26x26 props and 2:1 transmissions, so even at 650 RPM idle, it responds instantly when I put it in gear and those big props start turning at 325 RPM. It does not have thrusters and IMO does not need them. My slip neighbors have a 2003 Carver 410 Sport Sedan that I have operated quite a bit and it's really a handful around the docks when there's any wind, despite having bow and stern thrusters. I'm not sure what Tollycraft did to make it so easy to handle, but I appreciate it.

For a 44 foot boat, it really is not all that tall. If I take the radar, mast light, and antennas down, we can fit under a 14' 9" bridge, which was really handy on the Erie Canal where 15' bridges are common on the west half. Yes it was tight and worrisome every time...

I think it's classified as a planing hull, more like a Back Cove than not, in that regard. It gets on plane cleanly (and with surprising quickness) and effortlessly cruises at 20 knots (23 MPH), which is way above semi-displacement speed for a 44 foot boat. That said, I only run it like that for a little while on every outing just to get some heat in the engines, per the recommendation in the CAT owner's manual. 90+% of the time I run at 8.5 to 10 knots (10 to 12 MPH) and get 3 to 4 times the MPG that I get on-plane. I want the engines to last a long time and 4 figure fill ups get old...

[radiocontester]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Thanks, we like the lines too, but it's not for everybody. I overheard someone talking about it being "too "oceany"" once, while it was being compared to a more sleek design (that looked like giant basketball shoe to me) we were docked next too. Made me smile... The boat is remarkably easy to handle at low speeds around the docks, even when there's a lot of wind. It has 26x26 props and 2:1 transmissions, so even at 650 RPM idle, it responds instantly when I put it in gear and those big props start turning at 325 RPM. It does not have thrusters and IMO does not need them. My slip neighbors have a 2003 Carver 410 Sport Sedan that I have operated quite a bit and it's really a handful around the docks when there's any wind, despite having bow and stern thrusters. I'm not sure what Tollycraft did to make it so easy to handle, but I appreciate it.

For a 44 foot boat, it really is not all that tall. If I take the radar, mast light, and antennas down, we can fit under a 14' 9" bridge, which was really handy on the Erie Canal where 15' bridges are common on the west half. Yes it was tight and worrisome every time...

I think it's classified as a planing hull, more like a Back Cove than not, in that regard. It gets on plane cleanly (and with surprising quickness) and effortlessly cruises at 20 knots (23 MPH), which is way above semi-displacement speed for a 44 foot boat. That said, I only run it like that for a little while on every outing just to get some heat in the engines, per the recommendation in the CAT owner's manual. 90+% of the time I run at 8.5 to 10 knots (10 to 12 MPH) and get 3 to 4 times the MPG that I get on-plane. I want the engines to last a long time and 4 figure fill ups get old...

Beautiful Tolly Craft Dave. Are you following Searching for Sea Shells on Youtube? They have the same boat and cruise from Canada to the Bahamas.

"(that looked like giant basketball shoe to me)".....it's the express cruiser design which I happen to prefer, and have (Formula 37PC).....no offense taken

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by radiocontester

Beautiful Tolly Craft Dave. Are you following Searching for Sea Shells on Youtube? They have the same boat and cruise from Canada to the Bahamas.

"(that looked like giant basketball shoe to me)".....it's the express cruiser design which I happen to prefer, and have (Formula 37PC).....no offense taken

I have been following Searching for C-Shels for a long time, but I must say that we picked the Tollycraft 44/45 as our next boat before we knew about C-Shels. Sheldon and I communicate frequently and he was a tremendous help when we were boat shopping. We plan to get together with them eventually. They stopped taking the boat to Canada two years ago and simply park it on the hard in Florida all Summer now.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by DBreskin

Behavior like that ends up ruining things for everyone and shows a lack of respect for others.

Does this behavior also appear at our National Parks?

Next—to ignore and disrespect New Hampshire rules?

Next—to ignore and disrespect Lake Winnipesaukee RSAs?

[Pineedles]

But you can sleep on a boat that is docked, even if it’s a private dock, correct?


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[DBreskin]

Originally Posted by Pineedles

But you can sleep on a boat that is docked, even if it’s a private dock, correct?

My understanding is you can sleep on a boat that is not anchored. Docked is legal. If your boat is tied to a tree, it’s legal. You’d need permission from the landowner to use the tree.

[persistence]

That’s a great looking Tolly and 3208 CAT’s are great too. Tolly was always a nice boat. The bottom setup / distance between the props / weight and I’d say larger running gear probably help it’s maneuverability over the carver.

I’ve done the trip south and back many times between Boston and Lauderdale. It’s a blast. We were always in a hurry and got it done in a week. I could spend a month on the Chesapeake alone .

If you ever need any stop recommendations let me know. We ran at 30knots (big sportfish) so would do Boston - Jersey - va bch or Norfolk (this is where we’d decide inside or outside ). Then Beaufort nc- Charleston - st Augustine- Lauderdale. The speed allowed for 200 miles / day and a few weather days if needed.

The people you meet and places you’ll see are so much fun.


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