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07-10-2019, 06:44 AM | #1 |
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Tax abatements
Has anyone had recent experience obtaining a tax abatement in the lakes region, particularly in Gilford? We are looking at a property that is selling well below assessed value with plenty of comps to back up our claim.
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Land value
I agree. It's hard to fight over land value. There are a handful of companies that do most of the assessing in NH and other NE states, so the procedures are pretty standard. If you file for an abatement and don't like the results you can appeal to the state bureau of land tax appeals. Again, pretty standard. Presumably, your due diligence and real estate professional found suitable comps that help form the basis of any negotiations. You can see the values of other properties on the town's database. http://gilford.univers-clt.com/ Surrounding properties should have similar land values for similar size parcels. If it's shorefront, front footage is a big factor, not just total size.
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I don't know so much about that, land can vary quite a bit in desirability. Certain features are given to create disparity such as size, but you can't possibly argue that say a standard 1 acre lot with 150 feet of frontage should be similarly assessed. Things such as the quality of that frontage, characteristics of the land (rocky, sloping, swampy, ease of access, proximity to town) all make a difference in actual "value". I see no difference in having widely varying land values as much as building values. Granted if there are two lots being compared side by side that have nearly identical characteristics then they should be assessed as such with a similar price tag.
I also believe that certain improvements can be reflected in the land value too. |
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Landvalue = $per foot on water based on view X ft of water front.... Now of a few people I know that tried to get abatement, only 1 person I know of got relief, and that was because his lot was deemed not build able without substantial improvements to the lot.... However the next year after that work was done, the lot value went right back to where it had been.... Shorefront landowners get screwed, there is no way around it.
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As a long-time visitor and one-time shoreline property owner (Alton), I learned MANY things about how the world works. My assessed value was much higher than what I paid and continued to go up every year. My wife finally took matters in hand and hired a professional appraiser (the same one the town used) and got a realistic value. While the town couldn't dispute what the appraiser found, they did throw out all the comparables that weren't in Alton (most of them). In the end, they agreed to knock the valuation down a few thousand. The next year, the valuation went right back up.
My neighbor owns a pie-shaped lot. When she found that she was being charged for a rectangular lot (overlapping mine --we both were paying). She got no refund because it was her responsibility not to have paid it. When we had a modern septic system installed, the installers carefully checked the schedule to determine who the town inspector would be. They explained that the leach field pipes could be installed parallel to the road or perpendicular to the property line (the lot corner is not 90 degrees). Each inspector insisted on a different interpretation. Fortunately, they guessed right and didn't have to redo the installation. I asked a visiting state inspector about procedures for removing a shoreline tree, other than the standard "do it at night" approach or "just pay the fine". He said that any proper attempt had little chance of success. However, he observed that due to its proximity to our cottage, it looked like a "hazard tree" to him. If I reported it to the appropriate agency to establish their liability should it damage the house, I would get an immediate waiver. Other advice: Don't fill-in an ancient, unused, non-potable, dug well. If you ever want to drill a well, it's MUCH easier to get a permit to replace a failing well than to drill a new one. Never remove an old run-down shed, outhouse, or deck. If you ever decide to replace your dwelling, all of the square-footage counts toward your "footprint". |
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I love how the town has zero culpability here... and as a side note it should be noted that the tax map boundaries are not considered accurate for the purposes of doing any kind of building, well or septic site location, yet they are for the purposes of taxation? In the case of the aforementioned (improvements of any kind) an accurate survey by a licensed individual of your lot is required based on the language in the deed. This infers that the tax maps are inaccurate and derived from what? |
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I just did a Laconia abatement (sent in January, did not do it until June). I received very little relief although I sent in 10 plus comparables that even included land values. They came back and used other comparables that did not compare to our property. I always find it funny that a 800sqft building deemed seasonal on shared land (taxes for land paid by the association) is valued higher than a 1500sqft year round home with a detached garage in the same neighborhood with the same lake access, and assessed 50k cheaper. I found multiple others in the same value range. I am still thinking about going further on it.
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I use Attorney Phil Broulliard out of Laconia for my tax abatements. He does all the work and his fee is 1/2 of the first year of any tax savings that the abatement brings. It's really a no-brainer. No savings, no fee and no money up front.
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I did my own abatement in Gilford about 10 years ago. The town reduced the assessed value of the land by about $100,000. However, when they came to inspect the property they did find a dock (legal) that was not listed on the tax card so that took the value up slightly.
My comps. all came from my street. I showed them 4 lots that had similar Sq. Feet but more level and much more buildable land area. My lot is 50 feet at the street and 100 feet at the water. With Gilford's 25 foot sideline setback requirement, starting at the street, a substantial amount of my land is not buildable. The lot also has a significant slope and they deducted value for that too. It was a good experience and I was treated fairly by the town. |
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Just went through this with Alton. I had just bought house for less than assessment after it had been on market for months, had comps done by lender to back it up. Assessor refused to lower assessment unless I let him in the house.
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I successfully went through one in Moultonborough. There were a couple incorrect physical descriptions of my house and the comp properties supported my claim of lesser value. IMO, the recent sales of local properties are the key piece. If you are unfortunate enough to live near where houses have sold for inflated value, it is not likely you will get a decreased value. It is all about the market in your area and that can be fickle. What initiated my effort was a divorce that caused me to get a couple assessments that were well below my town assessed value. |
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I did provide him with pictures of my lot in asking for the abatement review. Of course, this was an existing property, not one recently purchased. Dave
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Don't tax abatements need to be filed by March 1st? My understanding is that if you miss this deadline you must wait until the next tax statement comes out.
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Some of these town "officials" are real pieces of work. I did the same thing after I purchased my place, which sold for well under assessed value in Meredith. I contacted the assessor's office shortly thereafter and after providing them with a copy of the P&S along with the appraisal that was done prior to the sale, the assessment was brought in line with the sale price albeit slightly higher which I did not question as I thought the number they arrived at was reasonable. |
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Alton Abatement
Is there a form in Alton to get a tax abatement? The town website does not list one. It just says that the assessor is in charge of abatements. I just checked my tax card and there is a flagrant error on it that will be dealt with, either at the town level or the state if necessary.
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Once the final bill is out then you would have to wait 'till next March to file for an abatement. The assessor should be able to explain how that works. |
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Magically I checked our tax card again today, and the assessment is back to what it was a couple of weeks ago. I emailed the assessor regarding the error yesterday and now the assessment is back in line where it should be. Very strange.
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We bought a house in Alton for 40k under assessed value. Alton did adjust the assessed value downward, but in the intervening 8 years it's gone up every year. It will be interesting to see what they do with Bahre property(s), which are valued way above what they went for. The town will lose over 100k/year if they have to revalue these to the sale prices.
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When you go for an abatement, you sit before the people who figured your rate out in the first place, they always think they are correct, unless a gross mistake was made. There is one more step in the process where you go to court to appeal the assessor's decision. I know people here in Mass. who have had success with that, haven't heard of anyone in NH doing that, but someone with a good case should, the towns don't like paying for it and it keeps the assessors from getting too big for their britches.
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