New Hampshire State Ranking

[TiltonBB]

The site 24/7 Wall Street rated all of the states as best and worst to live in. New Hampshire came in 2nd and Massachusetts came in first. Nice area to be in!

To identify the best and worst states to live in, 24/7 Wall St. constructed an index comprised of three socioeconomic measures for each state: poverty rate, the percentage of adults who have at least a bachelor’s degree, and life expectancy at birth.

https://247wallst.com/special-report...-to-live-in-3/

2. New Hampshire
> 10-yr. population change: +2.0% (6th smallest increase)
> Annual unemployment: 2.7% (3rd lowest)
> Poverty rate: 7.7% (the lowest)
> Life expectancy at birth: 80.2 years (9th longest)

New Hampshire has one of the strongest job markets in the nation with only 2.7% of the labor force out of work — the third lowest unemployment rate nationwide. People who have consistent work are more likely to earn incomes that exceed the poverty level. In New Hampshire, this appears to be the case. The median annual household income of $73,381 is about $10,000 more than the median nationwide. New Hampshire also has the lowest poverty rate in the nation, with only 7.7% of the population living in poverty. This is well below the national poverty rate of 13.4%.

New Hampshire is also one of the most crime-free states. In the United States, there were 2,362 property crimes per 100,000 people, but in New Hampshire, there were just 1,382 property crimes per every 100,000 people.


1. Massachusetts
> 10-yr. population change: +6.4% (21st smallest increase)
> Annual unemployment: 3.7% (18th lowest)
> Poverty rate: 10.5% (10th lowest)
> Life expectancy at birth: 80.4 years (5th longest)

Massachusetts is America’s best state to live for many reasons. State adults are the best educated in the country, as 43.4% hold at least a bachelor’s degree. This high level of educational attainment sets these residents up for higher paying positions in their career. Massachusetts has the fourth highest median household income, at $77,385 a year. The state’s poverty rate of 10.5% is well below the U.S. rate.

Massachusetts also has some of the best health outcomes in the country, possibly because residents are the most likely to have health insurance. Nationwide, 8.7% of people lack health insurance. In Massachusetts, just 2.8% lack insurance. The state also has among the highest concentrations of doctors, dentists, and mental health professionals per capita. Massachusetts’ life expectancy of 80.4 years is the fifth highest nationwide.

[Slickcraft]

Say what??? 2nd to Mass is good??

[fatlazyless]

Massachusetts has a population of 6.9-million people, while New Hampshire has a population of 1.35-million people.

Have you seen the parking meters in Boston with the red and green warning lights that let a meter maid know if the meter is unpaid from a distance.

Am very happy with the 1972-vintage, Plymouth, NH parking meters that accept 5-cents/12-minutes, and 25-cents/hour ...... but would really like to see that changed to 25-cents/75-minutes for a quantity NH discount. I got a ticket last year for an unpaid parking meter, and it cost me 10-dollars ...... outrageous!

Live Free or Die ....... too bad for Boston ......... 25-cents/60-minutes!!!!! ....

Does Meredith even have any parking meters ...... probably not? Maybe Meredith could install one of those kiosk meters in the new laundramat parking lot, plus for boat trailer parking, as a way to make some needed town revenue.

[stingray]

Could it be the infiltration of Massholes? Republicans used to be able to count on CowHampshire


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[fatlazyless]

Talking about the NH-Republicans ..... aren't they why NH has a $7.25-minimum wage, while Mass now has a $12.00-minimum wage that's pegged to go up to $15.00 in January, 2023.

New Hampshire-7.25/hr ..... Live poor and die right here in New Hampshire!

Maine-11.00/hr

Vermont-10.78/hr

Massachusetts-12.00/hr

Quebec-13.85/hr

Is a good thing New Hampshire is so close to Massachusetts, because Mass is where the big money is made, as well as all the big traffic jams on the Mass roads. Central New Hampshire is cruise control country ..... just try to do cruise down in Mass.

Make it in Mass, spend it in NH, and drive going 70-mph just one half space back, while following from behind on Route 93. We may be a little slow, but we is ahead of you, and the speed limit north of Concord is 70-mph!

[SAMIAM]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Talking about the NH-Republicans ..... aren't they why NH has a $7.25-minimum wage, while Mass now has a $12.00-minimum wage that's pegged to go up to $15.00 in January, 2023.

New Hampshire-7.25/hr ..... Live poor and die right here in New Hampshire!

Maine-11.00/hr

Vermont-10.78/hr

Massachusetts-12.00/hr

Quebec-13.85/hr

Is a good thing New Hampshire is so close to Massachusetts, because Mass is where the big money is made, as well as all the big traffic jams on the Mass roads. Central New Hampshire is cruise control country ..... just try to do cruise down in Mass.

Make it in Mass, spend it in NH, and drive going 70-mph just one half space back, while following from behind on Route 93. We may be a little slow, but we is ahead of you, and the speed limit north of Concord is 70-mph!

$7.25 ……..really? Try to hire someone for that with unemployment this low.
The minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage. It is an entry level wage mostly used for young seasonal workers.
The free market should be the determining factor and right now anyone in business is lucky to find an unskilled 14 year old summer employee for less than $9 or $10 an hour.
You've been to too many Bernie rallies

[swnoel]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

$7.25 ……..really? Try to hire someone for that with unemployment this low.
The minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage. It is an entry level wage mostly used for young seasonal workers.
The free market should be the determining factor and right now anyone in business is lucky to find an unskilled 14 year old summer employee for less than $9 or $10 an hour.
You've been to too many Bernie rallies

You are absolutely right! No one gets paid minimum wage in NH! I can only pray the masses will find out Massachusetts is the best state to live in and move back there!!!

[tis]

Yes, Sam and swnoel you are absolutely right. The job market is so tight in NH, there is no way you could hire anybody for even close to minimum wage! These politicians just want to look good. It sounds good to people if they force higher wages. As the economy has gotten better under Trump, there is more business and therefore more need for workers. And that means you HAVE to pay more because of the demand. Why don't people just understand business and the economy?

[moose tracks]

As far as tax burdens, New Hampshire is a great place to live. New Hampshire has a total tax burden of about 7%. Tax burden measures the proportion of total personal income that residents pay toward state and local taxes, property taxes, individual income taxes and sales and excise taxes. NH ranks 46th in the US for total tax burden which is very good but the property tax rate is the 3rd highest in the nation. If you are a resident of New Hampshire you have it pretty good but if you are a resident of another state and own property in NH be prepared to pay very high property taxes.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by moose tracks

As far as tax burdens, New Hampshire is a great place to live. New Hampshire has a total tax burden of about 7%. Tax burden measures the proportion of total personal income that residents pay toward state and local taxes, property taxes, individual income taxes and sales and excise taxes. NH ranks 46th in the US for total tax burden which is very good but the property tax rate is the 3rd highest in the nation. If you are a resident of New Hampshire you have it pretty good but if you are a resident of another state and own property in NH be prepared to pay very high property taxes.

Could you clarify your last comment? Why would my property tax in NH be higher if I am a resident on another state? Or are you just saying that the property tax is higher than most states? Honestly if you are not waterfront or waterview in NH property tax isn’t terry.


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[moose tracks]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Could you clarify your last comment? Why would my property tax in NH be higher if I am a resident on another state? Or are you just saying that the property tax is higher than most states? Honestly if you are not waterfront or waterview in NH property tax isn’t terry.

I am saying that the property taxes in NH are higher than most states (3rd highest in the nation). If you are a resident of NH the higher property taxes are offset by the absence of income and sales taxes.

[swnoel]

Originally Posted by moose track

I am saying that the property taxes in NH are higher than most states (3rd highest in the nation). If you are a resident of NH the higher property taxes are offset by the absence of income and sales taxes.

Unfortunately that means that the tax burden is not equally distributed! In Manchester for instance, 60% of property owners have no children in the school system! Doesn't sound fair to me, while many go about their ways not paying their fair share!!

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by swnoel

Unfortunately that means that the tax burden is not equally distributed! In Manchester for instance, 60% of property owners have no children in the school system! Doesn't sound fair to me, while many go about their ways not paying their fair share!!

So just out of curiosity how would you fix this?

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by swnoel

Unfortunately that means that the tax burden is not equally distributed! In Manchester for instance, 60% of property owners have no children in the school system! Doesn't sound fair to me, while many go about their ways not paying their fair share!!

But odds are at some point in time they did have or will have children in the school system. It is as fair as it could possibly be and obviously this is the same situation no matter what state you reside in. If you starting billing residents who just have children in the school system what do you do with people that have second homes and do not reside in NH and what would the cost be to send your children to public school?

[fatlazyless]

In today's newspaper https://www.concordmonitor.com/senat...bills-24294126 .... now I need to read it before I can say something unbelievably intelligent .... except ..... the big question here is probably what will Gov Sununu do? ..... and that's a good question!

If and when it gets to the Governor's desk ..... will he veto it .... or what ..... seems like maybe he will let it become law but without actually signing it ..... basically by doing nothing .... and just letting the passed law set on his desk for ten days ..... so, how's that for an intelligent comment without having yet read today's Concord Monitor report.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

In today's newspaper https://www.concordmonitor.com/senat...bills-24294126

... published Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 5:48:18-pm by the Concord Monitor.

Hey .... got it to work .... had separate incorrectly spelled as seperate ..... that was an easy fix!

So, is this good or bad or what and does it make any difference to anyone? With our New Hampshire super strong, super-duper, mega-fabulous, incredibly unbelievable, totally huge economy ..... is so easy to get a job ..... is just that you need three different jobs to pay all your bills. You got your regular NH job, your other NH job, and your side NH job ........ a NH job, a NH job, and a NH job ...... to get it done ..... in this super strong NH economy!

See .....if you is smart, or just lucky, you could hope to get a Massachusetts job, while living in super-strong economy New Hampshire.

[TiltonBB]

Hey FLL: How did you get a FREE subscription to the Concord Monitor? (or who paid for the subscription for you?)

One thing that helps most minimum wage workers in New Hampshire is a higher take home pay because of the lack of a state income tax. Also, that take home pay may result in more spending power because there is no sales tax. And, if they own a car, New Hampshire car insurance is about half of what it is in most other states.

The minimum wage is not enough to support a family, nor should it be. Business owners can hire entry level workers at this rate and raise wages as the employee learns skills and contributes more to the success of the business. Any business would be foolish if they did not raise wages accordingly to retain good help. That is especially true now with the economy strong and good, hard working, employees becoming harder to find.

[tis]

Notice on your property tax bill what the state school tax portion is. The towns with lakefront property pay more to the state for school tax. And they would like us to pay more.

[swnoel]

Originally Posted by tis

Notice on your property tax bill what the state school tax portion is. The towns with lakefront property pay more to the state for school tax. And they would like us to pay more.

yep... it's a percentage.... 60% OF $2000 = $1200
60% OF $12000 = $7200

Please sell your 1.2 million dollar water front home for a $75000 double wide in a mobile home park then you won't be asked to pay more!

[tis]

Originally Posted by swnoel

yep... it's a percentage.... 60% OF $2000 = $1200
60% OF $12000 = $7200

Please sell your 1.2 million dollar water front home for a $75000 double wide in a mobile home park then you won't be asked to pay more!

You are right. We don't have to live on the water if we don't want to pay the tax.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

See .....if you is smart, or just lucky, you could hope to get a Massachusetts job, while living in super-strong economy New Hampshire.

LMAO - I guess I should consider myself "lucky" working in Massachusetts and living in NH. Great huh? Oh but wait.... I hate to break it to you I have to pay the same 5.1% income tax to Massachusetts just like any other Massachusetts resident.

[Donzi Minx]

I am here and want to be there, which proves everything I do is ass backwards.
Excise tax paid to Mass....I am on my third set of stabilizer bushings in 4 years.
The roads in Chelrose are like GM's off road proving grounds, Benghazi!
Melrose, the City in which I have resided for almost 50 years is now pushing an April 2nd override to the tune of 5.2 million, and talk about fiscal responsibility. Wait, do you balance your checkbook? Why can't they?
All of this and I am still Naked in Massachusetts!

[Descant]

Don't fret. This year's legislature is on the fast track to remove NH from that #2 position.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by moose tracks

As far as tax burdens, New Hampshire is a great place to live. New Hampshire has a total tax burden of about 7%. Tax burden measures the proportion of total personal income that residents pay toward state and local taxes, property taxes, individual income taxes and sales and excise taxes. NH ranks 46th in the US for total tax burden which is very good but the property tax rate is the 3rd highest in the nation. If you are a resident of New Hampshire you have it pretty good but if you are a resident of another state and own property in NH be prepared to pay very high property taxes.

Property taxes in Ma are no bargain either. The only difference is the services you get, but those are slowly eroding away also. Things like trash pick up and school bus service that use to be free are now being charged a fee, in some towns.

As far as waterfront property taxes go, if you have waterfront in the state of Ma you are paying a high property tax also.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Property taxes in Ma are no bargain either. The only difference is the services you get, but those are slowly eroding away also. Things like trash pick up and school bus service that use to be free are now being charged a fee, in some towns.

As far as waterfront property taxes go, if you have waterfront in the state of Ma you are paying a high property tax also.

Same everywhere, NY is no better if not much worse for waterfront

[Orion]

Originally Posted by moose tracks

If you are a resident of New Hampshire you have it pretty good but if you are a resident of another state and own property in NH be prepared to pay very high property taxes.

Generally certainly true, but it really depends on which towns in NH and MA you own property in. They vary very significantly town to town. I pay more for property tax in MA than I do in NH and the NH property is actually worth more. Some NH towns are very frugal or have a generous (waterfront) tax base! I know someone in Rindge who's home is actually worth less than my NH property and he's paying more than twice what I pay in Tuftonboro. Location location location (applies to appeal as well as taxes).

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Orion

Generally certainly true, but it really depends on which towns in NH and MA you own property in. They vary very significantly town to town. I pay more for property tax in MA than I do in NH and the NH property is actually worth more. Some NH towns are very frugal or have a generous (waterfront) tax base! I know someone in Rindge who's home is actually worth less than my NH property and he's paying more than twice what I pay in Tuftonboro. Location location location (applies to appeal as well as taxes).

2018 Numbers...

https://www.revenue.nh.gov/mun-prop/...-tax-rates.pdf

The variation from best to worst is pretty staggering.

You're lucky Tuftonboro is pretty inexpensive comparatively speaking to the average.

[fatlazyless]

At $39.27, it looks like Berlin has the highest combined rate in NH, plus doesn't Berlin have a problem with buildings burning down or something. Is that because their owner cannot sell it and gets stuck paying property tax on a vacant, unable to sell building and just tries to cash out by burning it down and collecting the insurance?

Is that what happens in Berlin with its $39.27 combined rate? Welcome to Berlin, NH, the town where real estate is on fire!

[MAXUM]

Look again, the highest is Claremont is $42.08

[JEEPONLY]

The molehill has turned into a mountain!

I believe MOOSE TRACKS message- post #13- is meant to relate the fact that, if you solely live in NH, the high property taxes are balanced-out by the lack of all the other taxes levied by other states (not that we don't have other taxes).

In other words, if you own property in NH, AND claim residency in another state, you aren't realizing the "balanced-out" effect of solely residing in NH. Hence, you are paying (what some consider to be high property tax, AND all the taxes you pay in your residency state.

[moose tracks]

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY

The molehill has turned into a mountain!

I believe MOOSE TRACKS message- post #13- is meant to relate the fact that, if you solely live in NH, the high property taxes are balanced-out by the lack of all the other taxes levied by other states (not that we don't have other taxes).

In other words, if you own property in NH, AND claim residency in another state, you aren't realizing the "balanced-out" effect of solely residing in NH. Hence, you are paying (what some consider to be high property tax, AND all the taxes you pay in your residency state.

Yes, exactly.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY

The molehill has turned into a mountain!



I believe MOOSE TRACKS message- post #13- is meant to relate the fact that, if you solely live in NH, the high property taxes are balanced-out by the lack of all the other taxes levied by other states (not that we don't have other taxes).



In other words, if you own property in NH, AND claim residency in another state, you aren't realizing the "balanced-out" effect of solely residing in NH. Hence, you are paying (what some consider to be high property tax, AND all the taxes you pay in your residency state.

Look at the property tax in neighboring states. If you are not waterfront in NH they are very reasonable. Even the commercial rates aren’t bad. My 30,000 sqft commercial building is only 30% higher in property tax than my home with a lake view. The average tax rate is skewed by waterfront and water view. The median average would be a better number for comparison.


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[fatlazyless]

While all the surrounding states of Maine, Rhode Island, Mass, Conn, and Vermont have state income and state capital gains that gets funneled back to their individual towns, NH has no state income or state capital gains.

So, the common thread that runs throughout NH and bonds all the people in all the NH towns together is this lack of a state income and state capital gains. Plus, no state sales tax is an extra bonus.

New Hampshire: Live tax free or die!

Plus, your property tax gets deducted* off your federal income tax.

* $10,000-max federal deductible effective starting tax year 2018 ...

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Look at the property tax in neighboring states. If you are not waterfront in NH they are very reasonable. Even the commercial rates aren’t bad. My 30,000 sqft commercial building is only 30% higher in property tax than my home with a lake view. The average tax rate is skewed by waterfront and water view. The median average would be a better number for comparison.

New Hampshire as a whole has the 3rd highest effective property tax rate in the nation.
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...y-taxes/11585/

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

New Hampshire as a whole has the 3rd highest effective property tax rate in the nation.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...y-taxes/11585/

Yes I understand that but I’d like to know what it would be without the waterfront property rate


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[loonguy]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Yes I understand that but I’d like to know what it would be without the waterfront property rate


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The property tax rate is the same for all real property within a town regardless of whether it is waterfront. The tax on waterfront property is higher because the property is worth more. Towns (like Moultonborough) with a lot of waterfront property have a lower tax rate because the costs of government are spread over a much larger tax base than towns with property that has a lower average market value.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Talking about the NH-Republicans ..... aren't they why NH has a $7.25-minimum wage, while Mass now has a $12.00-minimum wage that's pegged to go up to $15.00 in January, 2023.

New Hampshire-7.25/hr ..... Live poor and die right here in New Hampshire!

Maine-11.00/hr

Vermont-10.78/hr

Massachusetts-12.00/hr

Quebec-13.85/hr

Is a good thing New Hampshire is so close to Massachusetts, because Mass is where the big money is made, as well as all the big traffic jams on the Mass roads. Central New Hampshire is cruise control country ..... just try to do cruise down in Mass.

Make it in Mass, spend it in NH, and drive going 70-mph just one half space back, while following from behind on Route 93. We may be a little slow, but we is ahead of you, and the speed limit north of Concord is 70-mph!

Say hay.... FLL... if you are SO concerned about people earning a living wage you do plan to stop shopping at Walmart because you certainly would not want to be a hypocrite and buy stuff produced in China where everything is pumped out of government controlled sweat shops right? Think those people that are forced to work there are given a "living wage"? LMAO!

I didn't think so!

[nj2nh]

Originally Posted by stingray

Could it be the infiltration of Massholes? Republicans used to be able to count on CowHampshire


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It gets really tiresome that some of you still call those of us from Massachusetts by that name. I love, love, love NH and pay tons of taxes there without getting a say on anything that goes on there. You might remember that before trashing your friends to the south.


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[joey2665]

What do speed limits and parking meters have to do with state ranking?


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[tis]

Don't fear. NH has a bill to graduallyraise minimum wage to reach $12. in three years. And that will drive a lot of little businesses out so there will be no jobs for anybody. Look at Seattle, less hours and less jobs. Why do these politicians think they need to run every bit of our lives?

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by tis

Don't fear. NH has a bill to graduallyraise minimum wage to reach $12. in three years. And that will drive a lot of little businesses out so there will be no jobs for anybody. Look at Seattle, less hours and less jobs. Why do these politicians think they need to run every bit of our lives?

Why, do you really think $12 an hour is a lot of money? Like everyone said, you would be hard pressed to find someone to work for that today.

[Top-Water]

Lots of valid points mentioned above. Wonder how it woks if your making a little above minimum wage currently and your boss cuts your pay because he is forced to pay all the under performers more.

A negative side effect is for folks on fixed incomes like SS. Hold on to your wallet. Thing will cost more.

It always sounds great for the politicians to claim we raised the minimum wage and how awesome we are for doing it. But in IMHO they always leave out that everyone else who does not get an increase gets a purchasing power decrease.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Lots of valid points mentioned above. Wonder how it woks if your making a little above minimum wage currently and your boss cuts your pay because he is forced to pay all the under performers more.

A negative side effect is for folks on fixed incomes like SS. Hold on to your wallet. Thing will cost more.

It always sounds great for the politicians to claim we raised the minimum wage and how awesome we are for doing it. But in IMHO they always leave out that everyone else who does not get an increase gets a purchasing power decrease.

I don't think any employer is going to cut your pay with the unemployment rate this low unless they want you to leave.

[joey2665]

Try living in NY CA NJ CT or even MA. With high income property and sales tax.


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[Airedale1]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Try living in NY CA NJ CT or even MA. With high income property and sales tax.


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And don't forget about the MA Excise tax which MA residents have to pay every year on their vehicles; and it's $25.00 per thousand of your vehicle's value. Also add to that the fact that on average MA residents pay double what NH residents pay for auto insurance.

[joey2665]

Good article but in the real world not easy to convince some clients.


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[tis]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Good article but in the real world not easy to convince some clients.


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I agree. When I hire somebody and help them fill out their paperwork, they ask me about it but most of them want to get money back.

[fatlazyless]

Seems like people like to upgrade their snowblowers, moving on up from TroyBilt and Craftsman, to Ariens and Toro and Husqvarna, and if they is totally unhinged ..... to a Honda.

How does that translate to "What to do with your federal income tax refund?" Tax refund time, the months of April and May coincide with very low demand time for snowblowers, and a good time to find that still very strong $200 used snowblower in craigslist.

Turn your tax refund into an orange or red snowblower, and spend all summer long, thinking about next winter's snow .... winter, winter, winter!

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Good article but in the real world not easy to convince some clients.


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That $1000 tax return could have earned $20 in a savings account. Most people blow that on something stupid so it's more likely that big return would be better spent. I would agree if you are getting a BIG tax return you should probably adjust your withholdings.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Biggd

That $1000 tax return could have earned $20 in a savings account. Most people blow that on something stupid so it's more likely that big return would be better spent. I would agree if you are getting a BIG tax return you should probably adjust your deductions.

Yes. In all practicality most people don’t see the extra 20-50 dollars and are not disciplined enough to save it on their own. I also am referring to clients that receive refunds up to 4-5k not huge refunds of 10k plus. You need to know your clients, financial situation, their lifestyle and spending habits then make your recommendations. I will always pushing clients to max our whatever retirement plan is available to them, give til it hurts you will thank me later.




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[Merrymeeting]

Some interesting data in this analysis.

https://blog.hireahelper.com/2019-st...tate-tax-bill/

[joey2665]

Thank you. Great article loads of interesting info and stats that are good tools to help determine where to retire


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[Woody38]

Maybe I'm in the minority here. Basically same income in 2018 as 2017. The difference is that in 2018 we ended up owing just under $4,000 when we filed our taxes. Also, we increased the withholding during 2018. Now, if I take the same deductions in 2018 as in 2017 we would have owed an additional $485. How is that tax reform working. Eliminating most deductions. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with paying taxes. Fortunately. we are not in the situation where we are living minute to minute.

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[phoenix]

most of the independent studies said that around 6% had increased taxes

[tis]

ALL of the rates were lower. It was unallowed deductions etc. that may have caused some to pay more.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Woody38

Maybe I'm in the minority here. Basically same income in 2018 as 2017. The difference is that in 2018 we ended up owing just under $4,000 when we filed our taxes. Also, we increased the withholding during 2018. Now, if I take the same deductions in 2018 as in 2017 we would have owed an additional $485. How is that tax reform working. Eliminating most deductions. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with paying taxes. Fortunately. we are not in the situation where we are living minute to minute.



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I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic

It’s a very long and exhausting discussion but most tax payers had smaller refunds or larger amounts due but this was the result of greatly reduced withholdings not higher tax rates when in fact most paid less in tax as a whole with lower tax rates. Obviously many factors and no two tax returns are alike. Generally when taxpayers have paid more in 2018 was the result of living in highly taxed states like NY MA NJ CT CA


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[phoenix]

Not having to pay the alt min is what saved me a lot of money

[Descant]

For us, big tax obligation for 2016 which was predictable. Obligation for 2017 was larger than expected, but at a manageable level. This year, we paid estimated tax based on 2017 and now it looks like 2018 will be a refund year (haven't filed final yet). I'm more concerned about those idiots in Concord that added capital gains to the NH Interest and Dividends INCOME tax this year (Who says we don't have an INCOME tax?) I'm hopeful that Gov. Sununu will veto that bill. We had a surplus under the Republican budget and tax plan. Why do we need to raise taxes? Our Democrat legislature is loyal to the Washington DC DNC and is not representing NH residents.
Apologies to those who think taxes are not a Lakes Region issue.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Descant

For us, big tax obligation for 2016 which was predictable. Obligation for 2017 was larger than expected, but at a manageable level. This year, we paid estimated tax based on 2017 and now it looks like 2018 will be a refund year (haven't filed final yet). I'm more concerned about those idiots in Concord that added capital gains to the NH Interest and Dividends INCOME tax this year (Who says we don't have an INCOME tax?) I'm hopeful that Gov. Sununu will veto that bill. We had a surplus under the Republican budget and tax plan. Why do we need to raise taxes? Our Democrat legislature is loyal to the Washington DC DNC and is not representing NH residents.
Apologies to those who think taxes are not a Lakes Region issue.

I hope he vetoes it too. They never have enough money. We do have an income tax. What is business profits tax and business enterprise tax if not an income tax?

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by tis

I hope he vetoes it too. They never have enough money. We do have an income tax. What is business profits tax and business enterprise tax if not an income tax?

Today’s mentality is that Business Profits Tax and Business Enterprise Tax are only paid by “EEEVIL” corporations, so that makes it ok. They don’t consider it an income tax, because it’s just from businesses (those big businesses that live by “Corporate GREED”!!!). Of course the exact opposite it true. Where else can a business lose money, but still have to pay taxes on their top line?

[swnoel]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Today’s mentality is that Business Profits Tax and Business Enterprise Tax are only paid by “EEEVIL” corporations, so that makes it ok. They don’t consider it an income tax, because it’s just from businesses (those big businesses that live by “Corporate GREED”!!!). Of course the exact opposite it true. Where else can a business lose money, but still have to pay taxes on their top line?

As long as people demand more out of their communities and state taxes will be raised and new ones found.

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Today’s mentality is that Business Profits Tax and Business Enterprise Tax are only paid by “EEEVIL” corporations, so that makes it ok. They don’t consider it an income tax, because it’s just from businesses (those big businesses that live by “Corporate GREED”!!!). Of course the exact opposite it true. Where else can a business lose money, but still have to pay taxes on their top line?

A business that loses money, unless it is a start up, usually loses money because of bad management or because management is playing a tax dodge game. Neither the Profits or the Enterprise tax comes off the “top line.”


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[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

A business that loses money, unless it is a start up, usually loses money because of bad management or because management is playing a tax dodge game. Neither the Profits or the Enterprise tax comes off the “top line.”


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Maybe in your world...

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

A business that loses money, unless it is a start up, usually loses money because of bad management or because management is playing a tax dodge game. Neither the Profits or the Enterprise tax comes off the “top line.”


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Wow that is a gross generalization and completely inaccurate


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[tis]

Originally Posted by joey2665

It’s a very long and exhausting discussion but most tax payers had smaller refunds or larger amounts due but this was the result of greatly reduced withholdings not higher tax rates when in fact most paid less in tax as a whole with lower tax rates. Obviously many factors and no two tax returns are alike. Generally when taxpayers have paid more in 2018 was the result of living in highly taxed states like NY MA NJ CT CA


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People just don't understand their taxes, Joey. Thanks for posting.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by tis

People just don't understand their taxes, Joey. Thanks for posting.

No problem. Your are correct people read articles and listen to the news that do not paint the complete tax picture. This was my most exhaustive tax season in 35 years and I went through the tax reform act of 1986 that had major changes.


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[tis]

Originally Posted by joey2665

No problem. Your are correct people read articles and listen to the news that do not paint the complete tax picture. This was my most exhaustive tax season in 35 years and I went through the tax reform act of 1986 that had major changes.


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I can imagine! I would hate to be an accountant and try to explain to people who have no idea.

Seaplane Pilot, you are right, they try to program people (and have done a good job) to hate businesses. And of course they couldn't let the doctors, and lawyers and accountants etc. get away without an "income tax". It's fine if the other guy pays. I guess we pick and choose who pays. I just don't know where people would work if there weren't businesses though. Do you???

Swnoel, you are right. People demand more and more. Everybody has their favorite little pet project. It all adds up to a lot.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by tis

I can imagine! I would hate to be an accountant and try to explain to people who have no idea.

Seaplane Pilot, you are right, they try to program people (and have done a good job) to hate businesses. And of course they couldn't let the doctors, and lawyers and accountants etc. get away without an "income tax". It's fine if the other guy pays. I guess we pick and choose who pays. I just don't know where people would work if there weren't businesses though. Do you???

Swnoel, you are right. People demand more and more. Everybody has their favorite little pet project. It all adds up to a lot.

The mentality today is that business is evil, government is good. Government will pay for everything, so we don’t need private enterprise for anything (Right AOC??)

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

The mentality today is that business is evil, government is good. Government will pay for everything, so we don’t need private enterprise for anything (Right AOC??)

No, the mentality today is that corporations making billions off resources provided by the public should contribute to the system that allowed them to make billions. Amazon not paying taxes/getting tax refunds is a travesty.

The difficult line--at least to me--is between big business, which is continuing to blow apart the income gap and have too much political influence, and small business, which can/is being destroyed by the system.

(For the record, my major concern here--as a teacher--is wealth inequality which, if the system continues, will mean only the affluent having access to opportunities for improvement/education, etc.)

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[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

No, the mentality today is that corporations making billions off resources provided by the public should contribute to the system that allowed them to make billions. Amazon not paying taxes/getting tax refunds is a travesty.

The difficult line--at least to me--is between big business, which is continuing to blow apart the income gap and have too much political influence, and small business, which can/is being destroyed by the system.

(For the record, my major concern here--as a teacher--is wealth inequality which, if the system continues, will mean only the affluent having access to opportunities for improvement/education, etc.)

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I rest my case. No further questions your honor.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

(For the record, my major concern here--as a teacher--is wealth inequality which, if the system continues, will mean only the affluent having access to opportunities for improvement/education, etc.)

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That is the most absurd statement ever. This country has the most opportunities of any other nation on the face of this planet, the problem is lazy ass kids that won't do anything difficult or actually work for something. If teachers would stop indoctrinating their students with liberal philosophy and victimhood those up and coming generations would actually have a chance to be every bit as good as the previous ones.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

That is the most absurd statement ever. This country has the most opportunities of any other nation on the face of this planet, the problem is lazy ass kids that won't do anything difficult or actually work for something. If teachers would stop indoctrinating their students with liberal philosophy and victimhood those up and coming generations would actually have a chance to be every bit as good as the previous ones.

Yup--all the kids are lazy. It has nothing to do with the fact that there's been an exponential rise in the need for education--high school diplomas are no longer the minimum requirement to succeed in America--at the same time as tuitions have risen and salaries remained the same (with inflation, mostly dropped).

These are real problems on their way, but at least we can rely on people like you to name call rather than discuss. Bravo!

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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Yup--all the kids are lazy. It has nothing to do with the fact that there's been an exponential rise in the need for education--high school diplomas are no longer the minimum requirement to succeed in America--at the same time as tuitions have risen and salaries remained the same (with inflation, mostly dropped).

These are real problems on their way, but at least we can rely on people like you to name call rather than discuss. Bravo!

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This is very inaccurate. This is a misnomer many try to pro-port. College educations are not necessary to make a good living.

High school diplomas are good for many high paying jobs, many union jobs such as truck driving, plumbers electricians and other trade jobs. These jobs have pay rates closer to 80-100 per hour with excellent benefits. There is a severe shortage of these trade skill labor type worker.

However they do require hard physical labor that this generation does not seem to embrace.

In reality these jobs have higher pay and better benefits than those with liberal arts degrees that cost over 100,000.00



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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by joey2665

This is very inaccurate. This is a misnomer many try to pro-port. College educations are not necessary to make a good living.

High school diplomas are good for many high paying jobs, many union jobs such as truck driving, plumbers electricians and other trade jobs. These jobs have pay rates closer to 80-100 per hour with excellent benefits. There is a severe shortage of these trade skill labor type worker.

However they do require hard physical labor that this generation does not seem to embrace.

In reality these jobs have higher pay and better benefits than those with liberal arts degrees that cost over 100,000.00



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I didn't say only college--even trade schools are becoming prohibitively expensive, as my nephew, who is an incredibly hard worker, has figured out. Even though he's willing to work for the dealership he's at, and even though they're willing to send him for some training, it's gonna take a long time to get the education he needs to make decent money.

My other nephew is currently pursuing an electrician's license, which also requires a lot of education and apprenticeship time, and is in a similar boat.

My father, with an 8th grade education, ran machines for 40 years. In his last ten, they wouldn't hire anyone without some credentials, most with college degrees.

There's a reason so many young people are living at home with their parents until much later, and it has nothing to do with laziness or choice. The cost of living--rent, food, etc.--has outgrown the access to well-paying jobs.

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[Woody38]

Sorry Joey
I am a resident of NH.
I have not seen any independent study showing that only 6% paid more.
We know the billionaires paid considerably less. Most I hear is that refunds are less than 2017.
I pay more if fed tax than the average income in most red states.

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I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Woody38

Sorry Joey

I am a resident of NH.

I have not seen any independent study showing that only 6% paid more.

We know the billionaires paid considerably less. Most I hear is that refunds are less than 2017.

I pay more if fed tax than the average income in most red states.



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I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic

Nothing to do with red or blue but about high state income and high property tax. I never said only 6% paid more


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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

I didn't say only college--even trade schools are becoming prohibitively expensive, as my nephew, who is an incredibly hard worker, has figured out. Even though he's willing to work for the dealership he's at, and even though they're willing to send him for some training, it's gonna take a long time to get the education he needs to make decent money.

My other nephew is currently pursuing an electrician's license, which also requires a lot of education and apprenticeship time, and is in a similar boat.

My father, with an 8th grade education, ran machines for 40 years. In his last ten, they wouldn't hire anyone without some credentials, most with college degrees.

There's a reason so many young people are living at home with their parents until much later, and it has nothing to do with laziness or choice. The cost of living--rent, food, etc.--has outgrown the access to well-paying jobs.

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Sorry you did say high school in your post. Also again many return to live with their parents from college because they chosen to waste money and obtain a useless liberal arts diploma instead of focusing on a career track.


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[TiltonBB]

There are many ways to get ahead and college is not a necessity. In my 20's, 30's and 40's I worked at three jobs and bought real estate. If you talk to someone that works 35 hours per week now and tell them they should get a second job, they don't even know what you are talking about.

I had a friend who was a school teacher and a smoker and he was jealous of some things I owned. I suggested he quit smoking and get a full time job and it didn't go well..............

It is also a travesty that people like Liz Warren taught one class and made over $300, 000 per year. High salaries like that put college out or reach or result in large debt to those who do want to go. Tuition costs are out of control.

Many of today's young people make choices involving drugs, smoking, alcohol, tattoos, and other items that cost money and then can't figure out why they live paycheck to paycheck.

It's all about choices.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

There are many ways to get ahead and college is not a necessity. In my 20's, 30's and 40's I worked at three jobs and bought real estate. If you talk to someone that works 35 hours per week now and tell them they should get a second job, they don't even know what you are talking about.



I had a friend who was a school teacher and a smoker and he was jealous of some things I owned. I suggested he quit smoking and get a full time job and it didn't go well..............



It is also a travesty that people like Liz Warren taught one class and made over $300, 000 per year. High salaries like that put college out or reach or result in large debt to those who do want to go. Tuition costs are out of control.



Many of today's young people make choices involving drugs, smoking, alcohol, tattoos, and other items that cost money and then can't figure out why they live paycheck to paycheck.



It's all about choices.

That's my point, Tilton--the world you (and, for the most part, I) grew up in no longer exists. My students are only making a couple bucks more an hour than I was two decades ago, but the expenses--insurance, car maintenance, rent, etc.--have gone up way more than that.

But you're right--the cost of education also has to be examined. It's a two-sided problem, but neither will be fixed without honest discussion.

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[ApS]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

There are many ways to get ahead and college is not a necessity. In my 20's, 30's and 40's I worked at three jobs and bought real estate. If you talk to someone that works 35 hours per week now and tell them they should get a second job, they don't even know what you are talking about. I had a friend who was a school teacher and a smoker and he was jealous of some things I owned. I suggested he quit smoking and get a full time job and it didn't go well.............. It is also a travesty that people like Liz Warren taught one class and made over $300, 000 per year. High salaries like that put college out or reach or result in large debt to those who do want to go. Tuition costs are out of control. Many of today's young people make choices involving drugs, smoking, alcohol, tattoos, and other items that cost money and then can't figure out why they live paycheck to paycheck.

It's all about choices.

1) It's all about choices...was the title of a monthly newsletter I wrote for a club (regarding automobile safety).

2) Someone with tattoos has little room to complain about an income-gap.

3) Jerry Seinfeld discovers the value of visual arts while teaching High School:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdf_XdDwc-o

[ApS]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

There are many ways to get ahead and college is not a necessity. In my 20's, 30's and 40's I worked at three jobs and bought real estate. If you talk to someone that works 35 hours per week now and tell them they should get a second job, they don't even know what you are talking about. I had a friend who was a school teacher and a smoker and he was jealous of some things I owned. I suggested he quit smoking and get a full time job and it didn't go well...It is also a travesty that people like Liz Warren taught one class and made over $300,000 per year. High salaries like that put college out or reach or result in large debt to those who do want to go. Tuition costs are out of control. Many of today's young people make choices involving drugs, smoking, alcohol, tattoos, and other items that cost money and then can't figure out why they live paycheck to paycheck. It's all about choices.

The former head of the university system in the same state retired with a pension of $10,000 per month!

To move up to higher income, consider a career in Politics.

Move laws to ban nice things and replace them with annoying things, but make sure The Electorate can "feel good" about you and your various bannings—like the ban on plastic straws.

But be sure to have previously invested in paper straw corporations, and sold "short" on plastic straws.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Yup--all the kids are lazy. It has nothing to do with the fact that there's been an exponential rise in the need for education--high school diplomas are no longer the minimum requirement to succeed in America--at the same time as tuitions have risen and salaries remained the same (with inflation, mostly dropped).

These are real problems on their way, but at least we can rely on people like you to name call rather than discuss. Bravo!

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Really? Careful - you have no idea who you are saying that to. Guess if that were true I'd be some poor guy who would not amount to nothing other than a minimum wage job. Good thing I never listened to people like you. I'll even pile on just for fun, not only do I have nothing other than a high school education, yet have a professional job, but I managed to raise a family on a SINGLE income. The biggest misconception is you have to do XY and Z to be successful. No - you just have to be better than everyone else. What did I do that is so different, never believed anyone say I can't accomplish what I did, in fact I just used that as motivation to prove them all wrong.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Really? Careful - you have no idea who you are saying that to. Guess if that were true I'd be some poor guy who would not amount to nothing other than a minimum wage job. Good thing I never listened to people like you. I'll even pile on just for fun, not only do I have nothing other than a high school education, yet have a professional job, but I managed to raise a family on a SINGLE income. The biggest misconception is you have to do XY and Z to be successful. No - you just have to be better than everyone else. What did I do that is so different, never believed anyone say I can't accomplish what I did, in fact I just used that as motivation to prove them all wrong.

You're amazing. The problem is, your totally awesome, super duper, made-it-to-the-top-against-all-odds story doesn't apply to the majority--then or now. And I guarantee that, like most other people blinded by attribution bias, we'd find a set of unique circumstances to explain your success, just as my Dad's 40 years ago and mine 20--in worlds much, much different than today's.

Winter is coming...

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[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

You're amazing. The problem is, your totally awesome, super duper, made-it-to-the-top-against-all-odds story doesn't apply to the majority--then or now. And I guarantee that, like most other people blinded by attribution bias, we'd find a set of unique circumstances to explain your success, just as my Dad's 40 years ago and mine 20--in worlds much, much different than today's.

Winter is coming...

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Hate to break it to you but I'm not that old.... this can and does happen every day TODAY, not 20, 40 or 100 years ago.

"attribution bias"? What a bunch of nonsensical psycho-babble.

Furthermore I just roll my eyes at your entire response, know how many times I have heard that? Sorry can't help but shake my head at how outrageous, smug, repugnant and demeaning that entire statement is. In fact I would say you are guilty of manipulative Minimisation.

There is nothing super duper, amazing or totally awesome that I did. Anyone can do it, it is easy no and that's why you don't hear it often. If I had a degree would the path have been easier, sure, but then again, it's also no guarantee of success either which is a false narrative that is pushed constantly. Interestingly all to the benefit of higher education Colleges and Universities that are bastions of liberalism and interestingly flush with cash, and have the appearance of a sprawling luxury estate.

There was no "unique" set of circumstances that got me where I am today other than me and very careful decision making on my part, every decision is made with a end goal and purpose in mind. Did every decision that I made pan out, of course not, but I certainly didn't run into my "safe space" and cry room, hug a stuffed gumby and have a temper tantrum. No I looked, learned, and carried on.

Want to be successful? DUH! Hang around people that are successful. Learn from them, ask questions, figure out how they did it and duplicate it. One lesson I learned along the way is if you do what everyone else does you end up like everyone else. Want to be different, then take a different path, take calculated risks, be bold, make it happen, if you think success just "finds" you or somehow you are lucky that's total BS. Success comes to those who try and take on risk. If you fail, learn from your mistakes and try again. Rarely does anyone win playing defense. Words of wisdom from a friend of mine who is both an entrepreneur and a multi millionaire. Should I add that he too has zero college credits to his name. Now that is awesome! Of course to you that's evil but we all have our differences in opinions.

Want to be like everyone else, DUH! Go to your nearest college campus and be a self identified victim. Good luck with that as a career choice.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Hate to break it to you but I'm not that old.... this can and does happen every day TODAY, not 20, 40 or 100 years ago.

"attribution bias"? What a bunch of nonsensical psycho-babble.

Furthermore I just roll my eyes at your entire response, know how many times I have heard that? Sorry can't help but shake my head at how outrageous, smug, repugnant and demeaning that entire statement is. In fact I would say you are guilty of manipulative Minimisation.

There is nothing super duper, amazing or totally awesome that I did. Anyone can do it, it is easy no and that's why you don't hear it often. If I had a degree would the path have been easier, sure, but then again, it's also no guarantee of success either which is a false narrative that is pushed constantly. Interestingly all to the benefit of higher education Colleges and Universities that are bastions of liberalism and interestingly flush with cash, and have the appearance of a sprawling luxury estate.

There was no "unique" set of circumstances that got me where I am today other than me and very careful decision making on my part, every decision is made with a end goal and purpose in mind. Did every decision that I made pan out, of course not, but I certainly didn't run into my "safe space" and cry room, hug a stuffed gumby and have a temper tantrum. No I looked, learned, and carried on.

Want to be successful? DUH! Hang around people that are successful. Learn from them, ask questions, figure out how they did it and duplicate it. One lesson I learned along the way is if you do what everyone else does you end up like everyone else. Want to be different, then take a different path, take calculated risks, be bold, make it happen, if you think success just "finds" you or somehow you are lucky that's total BS. Success comes to those who try and take on risk. If you fail, learn from your mistakes and try again. Rarely does anyone win playing defense. Words of wisdom from a friend of mine who is both an entrepreneur and a multi millionaire. Should I add that he too has zero college credits to his name. Now that is awesome! Of course to you that's evil but we all have our differences in opinions.

Want to be like everyone else, DUH! Go to your nearest college campus and be a self identified victim. Good luck with that as a career choice.

Attribution bias is psycho-babble? Your response is almost 100% self-credit, completely disregarding your opportunities and the fact that the times, requirements, and finances have changed dramatically. By your rationale, getting out of poverty is just a matter of making good choices. Though there are numerous studies showing that's ridiculous, they're probably all liberal nonsense, right?

I'm not going to continue OT anymore but--and I'm serious about this--if you, or anyone else following, is interested in connecting for a legitimate discussion on these topics, I'd be up for a soda when next I'm up. Until then, enjoy MA and NH--two of the best states to live.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Attribution bias is psycho-babble? Your response is almost 100% self-credit, completely disregarding your opportunities and the fact that the times, requirements, and finances have changed dramatically. By your rationale, getting out of poverty is just a matter of making good choices. Though there are numerous studies showing that's ridiculous, they're probably all liberal nonsense, right?

I'm not going to continue OT anymore but--and I'm serious about this--if you, or anyone else following, is interested in connecting for a legitimate discussion on these topics, I'd be up for a soda when next I'm up. Until then, enjoy MA and NH--two of the best states to live.

No it's not, it's a rebuke of your generalization and as such, I simply say I am not coming from a theoretical position, instead I lived it. Quite poignant don't you think? Guess not it's rather to much self-credit? So yes I'm so sorry, I should be instead ashamed of myself. Gotcha!

Would love to chat some time, believe it or not I am quite capable of carrying on an intelligent conversation even with my "limited" education.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Attribution bias is psycho-babble? Your response is almost 100% self-credit, completely disregarding your opportunities and the fact that the times, requirements, and finances have changed dramatically. By your rationale, getting out of poverty is just a matter of making good choices. Though there are numerous studies showing that's ridiculous, they're probably all liberal nonsense, right?

I'm not going to continue OT anymore but--and I'm serious about this--if you, or anyone else following, is interested in connecting for a legitimate discussion on these topics, I'd be up for a soda when next I'm up. Until then, enjoy MA and NH--two of the best states to live.

I will respectfully disagree with you about changing times. The studies you cite are probably written by academics who have not spent a lot of time working in the real world.

I have a similar background to Maxum and started with nothing. Right after high school I remember walking because there was no gas in my car and I needed to go somewhere. I worked in gas stations and decided I wanted more out of life.

I sold my first car to have enough money to go to tractor trailer school and get a better paying job. I drove over a million miles in Class A trucks, worked all the overtime that was available, and invested any extra money I had in real estate. Then I moved on and had success in other areas.

Without going into more detail I will only tell you that I am now very comfortable, own more than one waterfront property on Winnipesaukee, and have a Florida home for the winter. No one ever gave me 5 cents.

Anyone can do exactly what I (or Maxum) have done. The opportunities are the same and some are even better, It is the positive attitude and the knowledge that you are responsible for your own success that will drive many people to get ahead. Others will wait for success to show up at their door, and be surprised when it doesn't.

Then, when someone does become one of the 1%, those who do not have the drive to succeed will try to tax you into sharing the rewards of your success with them.

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Really? Careful - you have no idea who you are saying that to. Guess if that were true I'd be some poor guy who would not amount to nothing other than a minimum wage job. Good thing I never listened to people like you. I'll even pile on just for fun, not only do I have nothing other than a high school education, yet have a professional job, but I managed to raise a family on a SINGLE income. The biggest misconception is you have to do XY and Z to be successful. No - you just have to be better than everyone else. What did I do that is so different, never believed anyone say I can't accomplish what I did, in fact I just used that as motivation to prove them all wrong.

Spot on MAXUM in my opinion.

[Garcia]

Interesting reading here. My question is, if we have a generation that is lazy, entitled, and seeking out wasteful education, who is responsible for creating the environment that allowed this to happen? Is it the children themselves, or is it all of us of an older generation that either created the situation through our direct actions or contributed to it by not playing an active role in preventing it? Just as our parents created the environment we grew up in, we created the environment for the next generation. I realize this might not be the place for such questions...

The bottom line to me, as one who splits time between Massachusetts and New Hampshire, is both states are great. I love the opportunities, people, and environments in both - and have no desire to move anywhere else!

[tis]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

The mentality today is that business is evil, government is good. Government will pay for everything, so we don’t need private enterprise for anything (Right AOC??)

Yes and government picks the money to give away for everything off the trees!! WHERE in the heck do people think the money for all these things comes from?????

I do agree though that companies like Amazon should be paying taxes. How come they get all kinds of breaks and we don't? But according to what I pay I don't think I suck off the resources provided by the public. I think I pay MORE than my fair share!!

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by tis

”It's fine if the other guy pays. I guess we pick and choose who pays.”

Isn’t that the New Hampshire way? “I don’t want to pay, let the out of staters pay”



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[thinkxingu]

To get back on topic, one of the things that is central to making MA and NH the best states to live is education--MA is always in the top couple and NH usually top 5.

I often hear, however, that NH's population is aging and that young (educated) people move elsewhere for work. Is that a function of pay? I know Crucon moved to CH, but why don't high-tech companies move to NH? Is it access to workforce, utility costs?

And how do people see the future of the Lakes Region?

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[iw8surf]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

To get back on topic, one of the things that is central to making MA and NH the best states to live is education--MA is always in the top couple and NH usually top 5.

I often hear, however, that NH's population is aging and that young (educated) people move elsewhere for work. Is that a function of pay? I know Crucon moved to CH, but why don't high-tech companies move to NH? Is it access to workforce, utility costs?

And how do people see the future of the Lakes Region?

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I moved to NH at 22 after getting out of school and was culture shocked. Hardly had any friends who were sub 40 years old. When I worked in Laconia I found it very difficult to fill skilled positions with the talent pool in the area. Mainly not even due to education or lack of aka no college degrees etc but more so the general caliber of people who were applying ie not showing up to interviews, people constantly late or even how getting people to pass a preemployment drug screen was near impossible.

Now that I've moved companies and now work in Nashua it is MUCH easier to fill skilled positions from a larger talent pool from both NH and northern MA.

If I was a company I would be targeting more towards southern NH than anywhere near the Lakes Region.

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