What Speed Limit ????????

[onlywinni]

I had an interesting conversation with an old timer yesterday. He approached my wife and I at one of the public docks. He says I have seen you and that Beautiful Baja out on the lake every weekend this summer so can I ask you a question. He says today is the unofficial end of the boating season, so how was the first summer with a speed limit?

-So I told him to be honest, I have not boated any differently this year than the past 10 years. I always boat safely and responsibly; however when in open areas of the lake and all alone, I lay on the throttle and use my boat.

-My wife and I also told him we see people ignoring the speed limit everytime we go out..In fact I told him while skipping across the broads at a good clip not 20 minutes prior there was a Silly Fast Boat that passed us about 700' off the port side doing at least low 80s

-He then says to us WHAT SPEED LIMIT....he tells us that he lives on the Broads and sits on his dock and watches people shatter the day time speed limit all day and every day.


So it begs the question?

A. Have the Marine Patrol decided to allow speeding in open areas of the lake when it is not a danger to anyone

or

B. Does the MP just not have the resources to enforce the speed limit

or

C. Does the MP purposely not devote resources to speed limit enforcement as they dont see speeding as a major problem

[Turtle Boy]

Are we talking about the same lake? We live in an channel but wide enough so there's not a NWZ. The boats used to tear through here at all sorts of ungodly speeds (including last year at $4.50/gal). And the sound was deafening. This year I may have seen an occasional boat possibly going faster than 45 MPH in this part of the lake but the difference is like night and day. And putting the safety issue aside (unlikely to ever be agreement there), people who have come here comment on how much more quiet the lake is...it's great. A select few should not be allowed to ruin the lake experience for everybody. I would be very much reluctant to give up these hard fought gains we've achieved for Winni.

[woodynh]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

Are we talking about the same lake? We live in an channel but wide enough so there's not a NWZ. The boats used to tear through here at all sorts of ungodly speeds (including last year at $4.50/gal). And the sound was deafening. This year I may have seen an occasional boat possibly going faster than 45 MPH in this part of the lake but the difference is like night and day. And putting the safety issue aside (unlikely to ever be agreement there), people who have come here comment on how much more quiet the lake is...it's great. A select few should not be allowed to ruin the lake experience for everybody. I would be very much reluctant to give up these hard fought gains we've achieved for Winni.

I live in bay that basically if the MP's aren't there then you can't be caught and there is only one way in and you can see them coming. Seems this year there has been more very fast watercrafts especially. I figured that they were afraid of getting caught speeding on the open lake so they duck in this bay to play and speed. I don't remember so many at these fast speeds in previous years but maybe.

[pm203]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

Are we talking about the same lake? We live in an channel but wide enough so there's not a NWZ. The boats used to tear through here at all sorts of ungodly speeds (including last year at $4.50/gal). And the sound was deafening. This year I may have seen an occasional boat possibly going faster than 45 MPH in this part of the lake but the difference is like night and day. And putting the safety issue aside (unlikely to ever be agreement there), people who have come here comment on how much more quiet the lake is...it's great. A select few should not be allowed to ruin the lake experience for everybody. I would be very much reluctant to give up these hard fought gains we've achieved for Winni.

Let me know what channel so I can fix that for you.

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by pm203

Let me know what channel so I can fix that for you.

No way chump! Lovin' things the way they are.

[pm203]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

No way chump! Lovin' things the way they are.

Chump? You really should choose your words much more wisely. There are alot of names I would like to refer to you as, but do not, to keep it civil. Smarten up!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by pm203

Chump? You really should choose your words much more wisely. There are alot of names I would like to refer to you as, but do not, to keep it civil. Smarten up!

I agree, lets keep it civil.. I am sure it was just a little razzing... but keep in mind when you post online people don't always know your "tone"... That's what the smiley faces are for.

[Airwaves]

Originally posted by TurtleBoy

We live in an channel but wide enough so there's not a NWZ. The boats used to tear through here at all sorts of ungodly speeds (including last year at $4.50/gal). And the sound was deafening. This year I may have seen an occasional boat possibly going faster than 45 MPH in this part of the lake but the difference is like night and day. And putting the safety issue aside (unlikely to ever be agreement there), people who have come here comment on how much more quiet the lake is...it's great. A select few should not be allowed to ruin the lake experience for everybody. I would be very much reluctant to give up these hard fought gains we've achieved for Winni.

So you live in a part of the lake that SOUND is an issue? This is why you support a speed limit because NOISE is an issue? Then be truthful and support a law that allows High Performance boats to legally use sound dampeners...switchable exhaust is currently illegal in NH!

Originally posted by VtSteve

Have you discussed this year's lack of noise and speeders with BI? He posted not long ago that there are so many boats and some PWC's that go full throttle through the Bear Island NWZ that he thought it would be burdensome to call the MP every time it happened.

I made it a point to go throught BI's channel this year to see what he was complaining about. I saw Mama Bear on the dock and BI up on the deck but as far as boats violating the NWZ? I personally witnesses several large boats coming up to the NW sign, each and every one dropped to headway speed when they arrived at the NWZ sign as required by law.

[Pineedles]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

No way chump! Lovin' things the way they are.

Ok, now you have done it, I don't feel real strong one way or the other about the speed limit even though I have expressed a Libertarian view of the issue, but name calling will close you guys down. I talked with Don during the FF on the Mt. Washington and he was thinking of closing this thread. I think the only reason he hasn't is because people are being civil. I haven't been following everyone's comments thread by thread, but this is the first example of a mild name calling i have seen.

I am certainly not an example of a perfect member, as per some really stupid posts of mine in the past, but I enjoy a good debate and hope that both sides can continue to post their opinions, particularly this important issue. Don't let this issue die, because of uncivil posts. Cheers!

Originally Posted by pm203

You really should choose your words much more wisely. There are alot of names I would like to refer to you as, but do not, to keep it civil. Smarten up!

Originally Posted by Pineedles

name calling will close you guys down... Don't let this issue die, because of uncivil posts. Cheers!

How hypocritical. You guys badger, bully, insult, and name-call in every thread. That's ok so long as you are doing it, but someone responds to one of your "uncivil" threats with a comparatively gentle retort and you get all puffy. When you do it you call it "razzing". When we do it you call it "name calling". Grow up. Look at the post Turtle was responding to if you want to talk about "uncivil". Turtle says it is nice and quiet in the channel in front of his home and PM replies "Let me know what channel so I can fix that for you." That was civil? If you guys cared about being civil, you should have jumped all over him for that inappropriate comment. Or is harassing those with different views by threatening to head over to their home and torment them ok with you as long as nobody calls anyone a name? I'm called "la luna" and worse, but that's just "razzing" and when I make light of the "Thunderclub" I am accused of violating the forum rules. You guys really need to thicken up or else stick to the "opposer's thread" or offshoreonly where nobody is going to disagree with you. It's apparent that the moderator here is not going to let you flaunt the rules at your pleasure and then try to enforce them when it suits.

[pm203]

My post was intended to be funny, and I have never called anyone any names. And maybe Turtle Boy's response was an attempt at humor as well. You, however, are the one always looking to stir the pot. Your view's and opinions are not shared by the majority on this site. If we started a poll on whether Elchase stays or goes on this forum, I'm afraid it would be bye-bye for you. You need to lighten up a bit and stop your whining. You have your precious speed limit, and you feel safe and can enjoy the quiet, all by yourself.

[Shreddy]

Originally Posted by elchase

How hypocritical. You guys badger, bully, insult, and name-call in every thread. That's ok so long as you are doing it, but someone responds to one of your "uncivil" threats with a comparatively gentle retort and you get all puffy. When you do it you call it "razzing". When we do it you call it "name calling". Grow up. Look at the post Turtle was responding to if you want to talk about "uncivil". Turtle says it is nice and quiet in the channel in front of his home and PM replies "Let me know what channel so I can fix that for you." That was civil? If you guys cared about being civil, you should have jumped all over him for that inappropriate comment. Or is harassing those with different views by threatening to head over to their home and torment them ok with you as long as nobody calls anyone a name? I'm called "la luna" and worse, but that's just "razzing" and when I make light of the "Thunderclub" I am accused of violating the forum rules. You guys really need to thicken up or else stick to the "opposer's thread" or offshoreonly where nobody is going to disagree with you. It's apparent that the moderator here is not going to let you flaunt the rules at your pleasure and then try to enforce them when it suits.

As much as I do not agree with elchase as much as the rest of you, this post is very true. You guys are getting your panties in a bunch over a "chump" comment. I made a post a week or so ago that had an acronymn (deserving)in it with a smiley face next to it, however, now when I post it doesn't post automatically (moderator has to review it to be posted). So, apparently I am being reprimanded for it.

I agree to keep the forum classy, however, pm's first response was clearly just humor. Turtle's response back (the "chump" response) also came off as humor to me. Brush it off, it's the internet.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

No way chump! Lovin' things the way they are.

Then you don't need a speed limit!

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Then you don't need a speed limit!

Don't get it??? The speed limiit is why I'm lovin' it.

[OCDACTIVE]

just my 2 cents... Nothing personal but lets call this what is actually is please... EL has done nothing but stir the pot time and time again. When directed at him or Turtle boy he crys foul. When a completely civil and productive conversation takes place he jumps in and trys to curve the conversation to get people into a tizzy.

These tactics were done before by others if you read back in the threads to try to disrupt and ultimately get the threads shut down. Those individuals that were very strong in their convictions for some reason have disappeared this time around, but suddenly there is EL who claims to be a person who has sat on the sidelines all those years now wants to be the leading advocat.

After reading many posts and just using common sense it is personally hard to believe.


I feel that in many of these threads we have made progress. We have determined that many people have issues on the lake and would like to have them dicussed and ultimately addressed. Please continue to discuss these in a civil manner and do not get dragged down the wrong path. That will only lead to these being shut down which is some posters true intentions.

[pm203]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

Don't get it??? The speed limiit is why I'm lovin' it.

There may be a speed limit on paper, but in reality, it doesn't exist any more than 65 MPH does on 93.

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by pm203

There may be a speed limit on paper, but in reality, it doesn't exist any more than 65 MPH does on 93.

So you think there is no speed limit on Rt93? Are you serious?

Yes, I know, you can go 5 or 10mph over the limit on Rt93 all the time and never get stopped. Try going 25 or 30mph over the limit and then tell me about it. By the way, give the Judge my best, you will be seeing him soon.

And that 65 number will suddenly be very important as they subtract it from your recorded speed to calculate your fine. And it is my understanding that if you are caught 15mph or more over the limit then court is required, you can't send in the fine.

There IS a speed limit on 93 and on Winnipesaukee.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

So you think there is no speed limit on Rt93? Are you serious?

Yes, I know, you can go 5 or 10mph over the limit on Rt93 all the time and never get stopped. Try going 25 or 30mph over the limit and then tell me about it. By the way, give the Judge my best, you will be seeing him soon.

And that 65 number will suddenly be very important as they subtract it from your recorded speed to calculate your fine. And it is my understanding that if you are caught 15mph or more over the limit then court is required, you can't send in the fine.

There IS a speed limit on 93 and on Winnipesaukee.

BI... I think you are reading into the post.. I think what he was saying is that the limit isn't set in stone and you will see people traveling over the given speed limit as you do on 93. Obviously blatent offenders will be pulled over as would someone operating a boat recklessly for the conditions on Lake Winni whether there is a speed limit or not.

[pm203]

There are many people that do 90+ on 93 and do not get caught. Of course, you can't do it all the time, or you will get caught. As far as the lake, I don't mind crusing at 45- 50 ish, but, once in a while, if that is exceeded, chances are there will be no repercussions. I already have my compromise.

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by pm203

There are many people that do 90+ on 93 and do not get caught. Of course, you can't do it all the time, or you will get caught. As far as the lake, I don't mind crusing at 45- 50 ish, but, once in a while, if that is exceeded, chances are there will be no repercussions. I already have my compromise.

So you make a good argument that we don't need a compromise (except 45/25 was the compromise, 45 MPH being very fast). You also make a good argument for lowering 45 to 40.As we saw from a post about the GFBL pulled over one evening 2 weeks ago, eventually you'll get caught, and the expense and trouble will indeed slow you down in the future.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

So you make a good argument that we don't need a compromise (except 45/25 was the compromise, 45 MPH being very fast). You also make a good argument for lowering 45 to 40.As we saw from a post about the GFBL pulled over one evening 2 weeks ago, eventually you'll get caught, and the expense and trouble will indeed slow you down in the future.

First, in what way do you consider 45/25 to be "the compromise" ? IIRC those were the numbers proposed in the original HB162 per Rep Pilliod.

Second, what's your reasoning for lowering the 45 to 40 ? Am I to understand that you think the 50 MPH mentioned above is too fast ? Specifically, that 50 is not just unlawful but dangerous to the public at large ?

[Kracken]

ELCHASE “I'm called "la luna" and worse, but that's just "razzing"”

My post on 9/8/2009:

“ I know this question is probably patented but...

Did you ever notice the SUN (el sol) and the MOON (tortuga) never appear on the forum at the same time?

Ah maybe its la luna “

1. la luna = the moon
2. If you took this to mean you (elchase) then I called you the Sun..or the Moon...now I am confused …not sure what the insult would be there.

The intension of my post was not to call you a name. However I guess if I need to explain a joke…it was not funny in the first place. My Bad.

[pm203]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

you'll get caught, and the expense and trouble will indeed slow you down in the future.

You can only hope.

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

Are we talking about the same lake? We live in an channel but wide enough so there's not a NWZ. The boats used to tear through here at all sorts of ungodly speeds (including last year at $4.50/gal). And the sound was deafening. This year I may have seen an occasional boat possibly going faster than 45 MPH in this part of the lake but the difference is like night and day. And putting the safety issue aside (unlikely to ever be agreement there), people who have come here comment on how much more quiet the lake is...it's great. A select few should not be allowed to ruin the lake experience for everybody. I would be very much reluctant to give up these hard fought gains we've achieved for Winni.

I'll try this again.......

Have you discussed this year's lack of noise and speeders with BI? He posted not long ago that there are so many boats and some PWC's that go full throttle through the Bear Island NWZ that he thought it would be burdensome to call the MP every time it happened.

We discussed the BI NWZ at length last year, because I was bewildered as to why the MP wouldn't park near such an obvious violation zone. So maybe BI can give you a heads up as to how many "a select few" is.

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by VtSteve

I'll try this again.......

Have you discussed this year's lack of noise and speeders with BI? He posted not long ago that there are so many boats and some PWC's that go full throttle through the Bear Island NWZ that he thought it would be burdensome to call the MP every time it happened.

We discussed the BI NWZ at length last year, because I was bewildered as to why the MP wouldn't park near such an obvious violation zone. So maybe BI can give you a heads up as to how many "a select few" is.

People are still going through the NWZ at cruising speeds. It happens every day but I can't give you numbers. The Marine Patrol hang out "around the corner" quite often and do boat stops. Sometimes they get people going through at high speed but mostly they are stopping boats that are going a little to fast to be considered "no wake".

They also regularly stop multiple PWCs outside the NWZ, I assume for being to close together. I guess there is a common belief that PWCs traveling together don't need to stay 150' apart. The MP explain this error.

All in all things were a lot quieter this summer. I like to think the SL is a big part of that but who can say? I do think the SL is at least a little part of the improvement.

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

People are still going through the NWZ at cruising speeds. It happens every day but I can't give you numbers. The Marine Patrol hang out "around the corner" quite often and do boat stops. Sometimes they get people going through at high speed but mostly they are stopping boats that are going a little to fast to be considered "no wake".

They also regularly stop multiple PWCs outside the NWZ, I assume for being to close together. I guess there is a common belief that PWCs traveling together don't need to stay 150' apart. The MP explain this error.

All in all things were a lot quieter this summer. I like to think the SL is a big part of that but who can say? I do think the SL is at least a little part of the improvement.

I'm sure you caught heck for your last post, which seemed more like a Cowboy Mentality to me. It's far more beneficial for everyone involved in these "discussions" if people didn't feel such pressure to stick to one side or another. Except for you and me BI, there really isn't anyone else that mentions the BI NWZ, especially on your "side" of this issue. I personally, find violations of NWZ's to be irritating at best, at least very annoying.

You bring a fair game to the discussion BI, and I always respect your positions, whenever you're not reluctant to show them. Your post above, as compared to others on the very same subject, are not consistent observations. Believe me, there are many people that are against the speed limit that support your positions in some areas, particularly the safety aspect. The biggest thing we all offered for those like yourself, is a constant discussion towards enforcement of the obvious laws, and necessary MP support. One of the many areas the SL crowd is pretty weak in.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

All in all things were a lot quieter this summer. I like to think the SL is a big part of that but who can say? I do think the SL is at least a little part of the improvement.

I don't think that has anything to do with the SL..... Economy trumps all.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

People are still going through the NWZ at cruising speeds. It happens every day but I can't give you numbers. The Marine Patrol hang out "around the corner" quite often and do boat stops. Sometimes they get people going through at high speed but mostly they are stopping boats that are going a little to fast to be considered "no wake".

They also regularly stop multiple PWCs outside the NWZ, I assume for being to close together. I guess there is a common belief that PWCs traveling together don't need to stay 150' apart. The MP explain this error.

All in all things were a lot quieter this summer. I like to think the SL is a big part of that but who can say? I do think the SL is at least a little part of the improvement.

All in all I do not believe that the SL has had any impact on the lake. I fully blame weather and economy but... as you said, who can really say. I do appreciate your posts and views. In light of what we are seeing from a select one or two individual supporters on this forum it is refreshing to have you back B.I. In the past I may have gotten heated with you over this topic but I've come to appreciate your position and the reasons you give. You have never varied from your belief. You also seem to have an open mind and at least listen and debate openly.

I'm thinking that you probably witness many a violation at that particular spot on the lake. I know I witness chaos every weekend where my Camp is. One thing that I appreciate is that you have not pretended that this law has some how solved every problem that plagues Winni.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

All in all I do not believe that the SL has had any impact on the lake. I fully blame weather and economy but... as you said, who can really say. I do appreciate your posts and views. In light of what we are seeing from a select one or two individual supporters on this forum it is refreshing to have you back B.I. In the past I may have gotten heated with you over this topic but I've come to appreciate your position and the reasons you give. You have never varied from your belief. You also seem to have an open mind and at least listen and debate openly.

I'm thinking that you probably witness many a violation at that particular spot on the lake. I know I witness chaos every weekend where my Camp is. One thing that I appreciate is that you have not pretended that this law has some how solved every problem that plagues Winni.

Just wondering, this time of year how much traffic do you usually see there? Not only violations.... Just curious.. I would assume it is very very quiet like in my area.

[Formula260SS]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Just wondering, this time of year how much traffic do you usually see there? Not only violations.... Just curious.. I would assume it is very very quiet like in my area.

Lots of High Performance Boats out Saturday, It was like the Powerboat Races were back. Loved every second of it, one guy must have made 5 or 6 passes across Rattlesnake. Of course everyone was operating within all aspects of the law.

[Rattlesnake Guy]

We enjoyed the show as well. Kept RG busy with the camera. It was especially interesting because of how rough the water was on Saturday. The blue boat seemed to be having some real fun having the lake all to themselves.

[BroadHopper]

It was 'ROUGH' on the Broads. I haven't seen this condition in a long time. The wind was blowing from the Northwest. It was fun crossing from North to South with the wind. The wind did not die down toward the end of the day. Against the wind, it was a bit intimidatiing for a 22 footer. I had to take it slow home. There were a few 'dancers' out there having fun. I was jealous. I was surprise to see a PWC off of Welch. The guy appeared to be having trouble. I noticed he was heading back to the island. I watch to make sure he was safe.

There was one guy at the regatta preaching the speed limit. Nobody gave him a time of day. He was definitely at the wrong place at the wrong time. He was really turning people off. Good news for the opposers.

[Rattlesnake Gal]

Originally Posted by Formula260SS

Lots of High Performance Boats out Saturday, It was like the Powerboat Races were back. Loved every second of it, one guy must have made 5 or 6 passes across Rattlesnake. Of course everyone was operating within all aspects of the law.

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

We enjoyed the show as well. Kept RG busy with the camera. It was especially interesting because of how rough the water was on Saturday. The blue boat seemed to be having some real fun having the lake all to themselves.

I totally loved seeing the high Performance Boats this past weekend! The first three shots are from Saturday out on The Broads.
The last one was taken as we were leaving Smith Cove.

I wish the Powerboat Races would return!

[tis]

I wish the powerboat races would return, too, RG. Weren't they great? And you must have had the best seat in the house!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by tis

I wish the powerboat races would return, too, RG. Weren't they great? And you must have had the best seat in the house!

I am jealous.... I have friend on the arm of Rattlesnake and for the races we used to climb the mountain to see the entire field... It was fun but you couldn't see anything up close obviously. Your vantage point must have been AWESOME!

[Rattlesnake Gal]

The races must have been very cool from our spot. Sadly they stopped just before we arrived.

The closest I've come to a race our various poker runs. This year it was quite fantastic seeing so many boats coming down The Broads all at once. I snapped a few pictures, but didn't the best vantage point - need to get higher next time.

As far as the 45 mph speed limit goes this year, it seems that many of us, especially me, cannot judge what 45 mph looks like. Case in point; just after the Dozi Poker Run, a thread popped up; Where was the Marine Patrol? Lots of people thought they were exceeding the speed limit, but they weren't. Scroll down to post 11 - they were all traveling at 45 mph.

Don’t get me wrong, there are definitely some speeders out there, but I don't think there's as many as perceived. I definitely believe there is far less speeders on the lake than there are captain boneheads. Is there law of common sense?

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

The races must have been very cool from our spot. Sadly they stopped just before we arrived.

The closest I've come to a race our various poker runs. This year it was quite fantastic seeing so many boats coming down The Broads all at once. I snapped a few pictures, but didn't the best vantage point - need to get higher next time.

As far as the 45 mph speed limit goes this year, it seems that many of us, especially me, cannot judge what 45 mph looks like. Case in point; just after the Dozi Poker Run, a thread popped up; Where was the Marine Patrol? Lots of people thought they were exceeding the speed limit, but they weren't. Scroll down to post 11 - they were all traveling at 45 mph.

Don’t get me wrong, there are definitely some speeders out there, but I don't think there's as many as perceived. I definitely believe there is far less speeders on the lake than there are captain boneheads. Is there law of common sense?

Well Rattlesnake Gal... If the poker run is not held the same time as last year, and I don't have a full boat you are welcome to join me in mine... I can't guarentee it won't break the barrier but will do my best

[onlywinni]

This boat is AWESOME!!!!!!

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...1-09_045-2.jpg


It is dead quiet and barely creates a wake...

He made me feel real small and real slow a few weeks back...

Of course we were well under the 45mph speed limit

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by onlywinni

This boat is AWESOME!!!!!!



Of course we were well under the 45mph speed limit

Yes definately under 45 with only the last 1/6 of the boat in the water...

[onlywinni]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Yes definately under 45 with only the last 1/6 of the boat in the water...

Exactly!!!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Kracken

I am not sure why there are fewer “For Sale” signs on Rattlesnake, but I do know for sure…The speed limit is NOT the reason.

And the better reason is?

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

RG and I took a ride around the island Saturday and counted 12 places for sale. I don't have official statistics on what the 10 year average is but this actually seems higher than usual to us.

For sale signs are down (perhaps by half) on the Broads side of Rattlesnake.

I watch there carefully because I get a charge out of watching wind-driven waves and spray and consider the idea of owning there someday. It can be like living on the exciting ocean—without low tide! Yet one can enjoy a quick ride to nearly anywhere else on the lake when it's not rough. I scan that shore on nearly every outing, which I've been doing for as long as I've been afloat.

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

"...The blue boat seemed to be having some real fun having the lake all to themselves..."

That blue Fountain "fun-boat" only thinks he has the lake to himself. (Check again).

Originally Posted by codeman671;

"...If I lived on the broads side of Rattlesnake, speeding boats would be the least of my concerns..."

1) But where would speeding boats NOT be the least of your concerns?

2) But maybe you're right:

Broad-side Rattlesnake Island residents have very steep shorelines and are unlikely to be victims of collision injury, damage or fatality: plus, Rattlesnake is an easily-seen island.

Nearby Parker Island is small, yet has a disproportionate number of collisions onto it—one involving a fatality.

3) Why are all these names so readily-linked to tragedy among the speed crowd...on the inland-waters we all wish to protect...?

deTourillon
Cody
Colann
Cameron
Rush
Frisbie
Mastronardi
Gibson
Mineo
Littlefield
Blizzard

Yet all we can recall is "Thorndike" when it comes to non-fatal misadventures with Winnipesaukee's performance boats?



This photo is just one example of serial "Broads" crashes since 2002, has an unknown, un-named "driver", and is not Mr. Thorndike's boat—which is a similar boat that ran onto Parker Island. The scenery includes Mt. Shaw in the background.

[Rattlesnake Gal]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

This photo is just one example of serial "Broads" crashes since 2002, has an unknown, un-named "driver", and is not Mr. Thorndike's boat—which is a similar boat that ran onto Parker Island. The scenery includes Mt. Shaw in the background.

Accident on the Broads ~ flipped off shore boat. July 3, 2004

A speed limit wouldn't have made a difference in this case. This guy was just being reckless.
The Accident on The Broads can be seen here, scroll down to posts #4 and #6.

For those who haven't been on the Forum long enough, Acres Per Second used to post under madrasahs.

[NoRegrets]

Should I show a picture of my kayak or canoe in a similar prone position and what would we deduce from that?

There was also a similar "bow up" picture of an older MFG boat being attended to in aAlton bay that was attributed to a "big wave" in one article.

Thanks to RSG's technical response we can probably show this was a BONEHEAD move......

[onlywinni]

Well the boat is layed up for the winter....

I can report that I operated in a safe manner all season long. I was respectful of my fellow boaters..even those in kayaks and sailboats

On occasion I gave my big block Mercruiser a workout while all alone in the broads and even convinced my wife this year that it is safe to do so and the speed limit is not necessary.

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Now I cant wait until the snow and ice so I can blast across the lake at 100mph+ on my sled


Have a safe winter everyone...

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by onlywinni

Well the boat is layed up for the winter....

I can report that I operated in a safe manner all season long. I was respectful of my fellow boaters..even those in kayaks and sailboats

On occasion I gave my big block Mercruiser a workout while all alone in the broads and even convinced my wife this year that it is safe to do so and the speed limit is not necessary.

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Now I cant wait until the snow and ice so I can blast across the lake at 100mph+ on my sled


Have a safe winter everyone...

Glad to hear she is away safe and sound for her long slumber. Do you drain the engine? or do you fill with antifreeze?

I guess those in the broads won't be tormented by your rath anymore

See you out there next year...

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by onlywinni

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Now I cant wait until the snow and ice so I can blast across the lake at 100mph+ on my sled


Have a safe winter everyone...

We will be there with you!! My son is chomping at the bit already

[Yosemite Sam]

I can see Hazelnut when he went to the Woodshed for an evening out with his family. Here is how it probably went:

Hazelnut: Attention everyone, I said attention everyone; Hi I’m conducting an informal poll to see who is for or against the new Lake Winipesaukee speed limit. If you say no then I will not ask you anymore questions. If you say yes, then please explain why you are for it.
Ok, you over there are you for it or against it?
Customer enjoying his meal: No I am not for it!
Hazelnut: Good, you are my kinda folks, you can continue eating.
Hazelnut: Ok, you over there who seem to be enjoying your meal, are you for it or against it?
Customer enjoying his meal: Yes I am for it.
Hazelnut: OMG please explain to me why you are for it. I just can’t believe that anyone in their right mind could be for it. Don’t you understand that there are thousands of people who are not for it and you are the first ones that I have run into that are for it. Stop enjoying you meal and give me 1000 reasons why you are for a speed limit. I said stop eating your food.
Customer enjoying his meal: Oh I’m sorry, I am not for the speed limit anymore, now can I enjoy my meal.
Hazelnut: Great, another one to add to my poll for being against that darn speed limit.
Hazelnut: Hey you over there in the corner………….!!!!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by onlywinni

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Now I cant wait until the snow and ice so I can blast across the lake at 100mph+ on my sled

Ummmm excuse me but I do believe there are limits for snowmobiles... I am calling the fish and game. Don't you know you will be terrorizing the ice fisherman? This could severly damage their well being and ruin the peace and tranquility! It isn't like you won't see them coming from 3 miles out.... I think I should start a poll that is designed only to come out in my favor because safety may be compromised..

Example:

Q: Mr. Smith, have you ever snowmobiled?
A: No
Q: have you ever been to lake winnipesaukee?
A: No
Q: Don't you think traveling over 40 mph in a congested walmart parking lot could be considered dangerous to the general public because you may hit children.
A: Of course
Q: Do you think that this should also apply to snowmobilers on a lake?
A: Yes
Q: So I can assume you would be in favor of speed limits
A: Yes

Thank you for your time.

[Kracken]

Thanks OCD, just inhaled coffee up my nose.

I am not sure but I thought there was no speed limit on the lake for sleds. Althought there is a 150 rule for bob-houses..10 mph I think.

[onlywinni]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Ummmm excuse me but I do believe there are limits for snowmobiles... I am calling the fish and game. Don't you know you will be terrorizing the ice fisherman? This could severly damage their well being and ruin the peace and tranquility! It isn't like you won't see them coming from 3 miles out.... I think I should start a poll that is designed only to come out in my favor because safety may be compromised..

Example:

Q: Mr. Smith, have you ever snowmobiled?
A: No
Q: have you ever been to lake winnipesaukee?
A: No
Q: Don't you think traveling over 40 mph in a congested walmart parking lot could be considered dangerous to the general public because you may hit children.
A: Of course
Q: Do you think that this should also apply to snowmobilers on a lake?
A: Yes
Q: So I can assume you would be in favor of speed limits
A: Yes

Thank you for your time.

....good laugh...

re my 496HO..it has a closed anti-freeze system

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Ummmm excuse me but I do believe there are limits for snowmobiles... I am calling the fish and game. Don't you know you will be terrorizing the ice fisherman? This could severly damage their well being and ruin the peace and tranquility! It isn't like you won't see them coming from 3 miles out.... I think I should start a poll that is designed only to come out in my favor because safety may be compromised..

Example:

Q: Mr. Smith, have you ever snowmobiled?
A: No
Q: have you ever been to lake winnipesaukee?
A: No
Q: Don't you think traveling over 40 mph in a congested walmart parking lot could be considered dangerous to the general public because you may hit children.
A: Of course
Q: Do you think that this should also apply to snowmobilers on a lake?
A: Yes
Q: So I can assume you would be in favor of speed limits
A: Yes

Thank you for your time.

I heard something interesting this AM on the radio on the way to work. It had to do with a poll on legalizing gambling in a certain state and how support seemed uncertain and varied with education, college educated more in opposition than non college educated and blah blah blah but it struck me as funny, and I said to myself..."hey, they should only be polling gamblers...how can someone who has never gambled be allowed to decide such a matter" (according to Winni.com forum rules, of course)

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

"...The races must have been very cool from our spot..."

I only discovered the event was taking place because my cottage began shaking.

They were very cool, but it was more of a parade than "a race", and were quite distant from "your" side of Rattlesnake Island. To watch, I chose NOT to anchor, but floated next to a one anchored boat and a Lake amphibian aircraft.

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

"...The closest I've come to a race our various poker runs. This year it was quite fantastic seeing so many boats coming down The Broads all at once. I snapped a few pictures, but didn't the best vantage point - need to get higher next time..."

The very best vantage point is where I snapped a few pictures four years ago—stopped—and right in the middle of 'em!

I had taken my smallest powerboat, and elected to row the ¼-mile home for the exercise. The MP made a stop—of me!

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

"...All in all things were a lot quieter this summer. I like to think the SL is a big part of that but who can say? I do think the SL is at least a little part of the improvement..."

I'd agree. Those who speak of "rampant" sales of properties around the lake need to look again at those properties most effected by the SL.

Right in the middle of the lake—Rattlesnake Island—has many fewer "For Sale" signs than in previous years.

[Kracken]

APS,

I am not sure why there are fewer “For Sale” signs on Rattlesnake, but I do know for sure…The speed limit is NOT the reason.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

I had taken my smallest powerboat, and elected to row the ¼-mile home for the exercise. The MP made a stop—of me!

They must have been reading your posts on here... LOL!!

J/K

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Right in the middle of the lake—Rattlesnake Island—has many fewer "For Sale" signs than in previous years.

And this is related to the speed limit, less performance boats or the lack of offshore powerboat racing?

Did you ever think that maybe it has to do with the economy and real estate market? Rattlesnake has a history of having a lot of lower priced island properties which make it more affordable for the average consumer. In general there are not a lot of island properties for sale anywhere, far less than a normal season.

The lesser amount of island properties for sale everywhere has NO correlation to your dream that performance boats are the root of all evil and are scaring residents off the lake...

[Rattlesnake Guy]

RG and I took a ride around the island Saturday and counted 12 places for sale. I don't have official statistics on what the 10 year average is but this actually seems higher than usual to us.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by codeman671

"...And this is related to the speed limit, less performance boats or the lack of offshore powerboat racing...?"

Rattlesnake Island's NE shore is the former site of Rattlesnake Island's "measured mile", and is the longest "straight" along Winnipesaukee's shorelines where offenders can get a sense (and the thrill) of top speed operation. Another straight one mile stretch is directly off my shoreline; fortunately, large swim rafts keep most offenders at a distance.

I don't recall seeing Rattlesnake Island's NE shore having any large swim rafts. (At least not for very long! )

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

RG and I took a ride around the island Saturday and counted 12 places for sale. I don't have official statistics on what the 10 year average is but this actually seems higher than usual to us.

To clarify, there are fewer homes for sale on Rattlesnake Island's Broads-side than in recent years—fewer "official" signs, and fewer "home-made" signs.

The Broads NE shoreline has the largest concentration of offenders in my usual area of fair-weather boating. I'd expect that most islanders who must boat off that shore previously had to look both ways as though they were trying to cross I-93—on foot!

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Rattlesnake Island's NE shore is the former site of Rattlesnake Island's "measured mile", and is the longest "straight" along Winnipesaukee's shorelines where offenders can get a sense (and the thrill) of top speed operation. Another straight one mile stretch is directly off my shoreline; fortunately, large swim rafts keep most offenders at a distance.

I don't recall seeing Rattlesnake Island's NE shore having any large swim rafts. (At least not for very long! )

To clarify, there are fewer homes for sale on Rattlesnake Island's Broads-side than in recent years—fewer "official" signs, and fewer "home-made" signs.

The Broads NE shoreline has the largest concentration of offenders in my usual area of fair-weather boating. I'd expect that most islanders who must boat off that shore previously had to look both ways as though they were trying to cross I-93—on foot!

And your point is????

Trying to correlate a smaller amount of properties for sale on Rattlesnake today compared to years past to a newly imposed speed limit is ludicrous. The two have NOTHING in common. If I lived on the broads side of Rattlesnake, speeding boats would be the least of my concerns.

Originally Posted by onlywinni

I have not boated any differently this year than the past 10 years... when in open areas of the lake and all alone, I lay on the throttle ...we see people ignoring the speed limit everytime we go out... he lives on the Broads and sits on his dock and watches people shatter the day time speed limit all day and every day.

Assuming you are telling us the truth, what's all the whoop then? If the speed limit is not negatively impacting the speeders, but the rest of society thinks it is working so well, why not just pacify us and let us have our "useless unenforceable feel-good law"? Don't give us that nonsense that you are just trying to keep our statutes pure of unnecessary laws. There are hundreds of more useless, less enforceable, and better-feeling laws on our books that would be the first targets of someone just looking to clean up the statutes. That one does not pass the sniff test. If, for argument's sake only, it is true that the MP has "decided to allow speeding in open areas of the lake when it is not a danger to anyone", "does not have the resources to enforce the speed limit", and "purposely does not devote resources to speed limit enforcement as they don't see speeding as a major problem", then it appears we are all happy with the status quo...you think the law is not negatively impacting anyone or costing any money or energy, and we think it is working just ducky. Everyone is happy. SO WHY ALL THE BIG NEED TO SUNSET IT??

Nice day out there today. And I was in the Broads and did not see a single boat that even approached 45 mph. Which Broads were you talking about? Sometimes I wonder if you guys are just making stuff up.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by elchase

but the rest of society thinks it is working so well,
Nice day out there today. And I was in the Broads and did not see a single boat that even approached 45 mph. Which Broads were you talking about? Sometimes I wonder if you guys are just making stuff up.

Seems like 'society' is made up of only a handfull of you. Where are the rest? Give us a list of names!

I have already send a list of over 100 landowners that don't want the 25 mph speed limit at night because of wake erosion. Perhaps you should ask the bill sponsor why he so 'conveniently' says, 'We have to start somewhere' instead of addressing our concerns.

My parents live on the Broads. I see boats traveling at the speed of light every day, all day! I'm just concerned of the lack of MPO's on the lake this year due to budget cuts and buying laser guns and spending precious time training!

I am a native of NH. I am a true Republican. The state was fine until the Democrats took over. There is even talk about removing the state motto!

[OCDACTIVE]

I think it all just depends on where you are looking. I have seen days when people are tearing around and some that aren't.

For all the made up stuff I have read on these forums someone should really get a patent on it!!!

[Kracken]

I know this question is probably patented but...

Did you ever notice the SUN (el sol) and the MOON (tortuga) never appear on the forum at the same time?

Ah maybe its la luna

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by elchase

Assuming you are telling us the truth, what's all the whoop then? If the speed limit is not negatively impacting the speeders, but the rest of society thinks it is working so well, why not just pacify us and let us have our "useless unenforceable feel-good law"? Don't give us that nonsense that you are just trying to keep our statutes pure of unnecessary laws. There are hundreds of more useless, less enforceable, and better-feeling laws on our books that would be the first targets of someone just looking to clean up the statutes. That one does not pass the sniff test. If, for argument's sake only, it is true that the MP has "decided to allow speeding in open areas of the lake when it is not a danger to anyone", "does not have the resources to enforce the speed limit", and "purposely does not devote resources to speed limit enforcement as they don't see speeding as a major problem", then it appears we are all happy with the status quo...you think the law is not negatively impacting anyone or costing any money or energy, and we think it is working just ducky. Everyone is happy. SO WHY ALL THE BIG NEED TO SUNSET IT??

Nice day out there today. And I was in the Broads and did not see a single boat that even approached 45 mph. Which Broads were you talking about? Sometimes I wonder if you guys are just making stuff up.

Once again elchase posts things he has deluded himself into believing. The argument is tiresome. You keep your head in the bag of sand and the rest of us will continue to fight for real change on the lake that will address the problems that actually exist. Spare us the painting of the perfect lake picture that does not exist. Seriously though it is fun to read your posts. You sound like the Iraqi information minister during the war. Everyone remember Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf affectionately known as "Baghdad Bob?" "There are no Bombs, the Americans are being defeated." Or in this case "The lake is a wonderfully safe place with no bad drivers." "The war is over we have won the safety war."

When the dust settles at least we all had a laugh right.

[onlywinni]

FYI...I am not Walt Disney my first post is not Fiction!!!!!!

However if you want to believe I am full of it and no one has exceeded the speed limit on the lake all year that is your right.

[Russ Jones]

As a longtime (49 yrs) user of Winni, and an avid fisherman, the speed limit is bull. And, if you talk to the MP off the record, they think it's a waste of time. Over the years, the biggest issue has been the morons who don't have a clue about boating safety and booze. The best thing that ever happened was the madatory safety training. While it will NEVER save us from all the morons, at least it has educated the majority. The past couple of years on the lake has shown a great improvement, that has nothing to do with the speed limit. By the way, when I'm not trolling for salmon or lakers, I will take a 60mph ride around the lake but it's done safely. The only thing the speed limit does is make people so paranoid that they don't get their boats up on plane and that is tearing appart the shoreline with large wakes. I live in NH and have a home on Alton Bay. It doesn't get much busier than that and the sound of a well tuned "go fast" is great!

[TiltonBB]

I have been on the lake in many different ways since 1968. I have looked at the speed limit from my perspective as a boater, waterfront homeowner, condo slip owner, commercial property owner and marina owner.
Nothing that the speed limit has done has changed the lake one bit.
First, remember that the marine patrol did not write one speeding ticket all season.
Second, bear in mind that the economy is so far down that a significant number of boats were never put inthe water and a large number of people cut way back on the amount of boating that they did.
Third, the weather in June and July also had a major impact on the amount of boats on the lake for half the summer. I live on a very open part of the lake and I agree that the lake was very quiet this year, but guess what "it's the economy stupid"
As so many on this forum have said: The boaters who do not abide by all of the other rules (especially safe passage) are the problem. It is too bad that the uninformed and cluless continue to cite the speed limit as some great solution, when the enforcement of it would actually use valuable resources needlessly and create more problems than it solves.
Thankfully, the marine patrol had better things to do this year.

[onlywinni]

on second thought...never mind..I am done with this speed limit debate until next year..

If anyone wants to discuss or argue with me about anything ..please find me in the Snowmobile Section for the Winter months.....

[NoRegrets]

Don't give up yet! We still plan to boat for a few more weeks.

I thought this was an SL forum not a grammar test. It seems like the goading tactics are working. I am trying to understand the logic or benefit of flooding these posts with random boating related fatality stories.

We could list the gory details about plane crashes – Result – Outlaw airplanes, no need to spend on airports and fear of future catastrophes.
We could list the horrible gory details of motorcycle fatalities – Result – Outlaw motorcycles, no more motorcycles to create these horrible events.
We could list the horrible stories of animal attacks – Result – No one allowed to go into the wild.
We could list the horrible Dog Attack stories – Result – No more pets.
We could list the horrible divorce stories - Result – No more marriage.
We could list all the crimes created by guns – Result – Outlaw guns so only outlaws would have guns!
We could list the accidents of mountain climbers – Result – Law against mountaineering.
We could list the horrible stories on politicians that legislate to constrict freedom – Result – No more politicians! – Okay this one does have value!
I could go on but need to work to pay my taxes so the government can create programs to help save someone else’s universe.

At the end of the process of eliminating danger and fear we can all be satisfied by reading about our forefathers and wonder what they were thinking when they actually challenged themselves to take risks and conquer fear. I am not of the opinion that anyone that does not support the SL desires to bring fear to anyone. Fear is created by not knowing a potential outcome. Boneheads, uneducated, and Darwin Award candidates create unpredictable encounters.

I believe we need to respect the rights of individuals that seek to own or use larger or faster vessels on one of the best publicly owned NH lakes. It has always been used for many different recreational purposes and one of the best attractions is the dirversity.

[Yosemite Sam]

In todays GSN there is a want ad for a Marine Patrol officier Traninee.
I think they have the date a little screwed up...it states "effect January 2, 2009. Maybe it should say 2010.
This would be a good job for elchase...Yes or No??