...window shopping a 20' sailboat?

fatlazyless · 09-01-2011, 06:23 AM

http://nh.craigslist.org/boa/2502016602.html Should I buy this? 1977 O-Day 20' sailboat, enclosed cabin, in Holderness w/ trailer...asking $2500. Cannot make up my mind on buying another sailboat? Already have two; a 12' and 13', but this is a much bigger one at 20', and could probably get it for $2000 because it's been for sale since July 18? It's parked on a trailer next to Rt 3 in Holderness at the Squam Lakes Assoc.....a 1977 fiberglass, aluminum, and teak trim, fixer-upper. A 4-hp motor on the little outboard holder in the back seems way, way under-powered for a 20'. I have a 25hp tiller handle weighing 125-lb which would be much better for a 20' sailboat? Whatcha think? It comes with three original 1977 white sails; main-jib-genoa, and a very decent trailer. Would store it on a boat lift. It has a retractable centerboard that gets lowered by pulling the line. It also has what looks like a stubby keel, probably heavy loaded with iron, and the center board descends thru the stubby keel. Hopefully, someone else will grab it away before I take the plunge.....it's getting scary!

Best days ever when getting an old used sailboat: the day you buy it.......and the day you get rid of it!

Will think about it and hopefully someone else will snap it up. You know what they say: YOU SNOOZE-YOU LOSE!

fpartri497 · 09-01-2011, 06:55 AM

you need to dip Into that pot of gold that you are hiding under your mattress and buy the boatl

upthesaukee · 09-01-2011, 07:00 AM

Sounds like a steal for a guy who is "down and out", always looking for work, "living on the Walmart side of the lake".

Working on the boat and getting it in pristine shape, you could flip it and make some cash to help you pay your taxes.

MarkinNH · 09-01-2011, 07:33 AM

If you spend all your spare cash on another sailboat, you might miss out on some really good deals at the new Family Dollar store !

Lakegeezer · 09-01-2011, 07:36 AM

Sounds like a reasonable price. Concerns would be the age. Check to be sure there is no delamination or rot between the fiberglass. Check the centerboard mechanism. 4HP may be a bit light, but 25 is way too much. You don't want a lot of weight hanging on the back of the boat. My 22' Catalina sailboat has a 6HP 4-stroke and that is more than plenty to get me home when the winds get too high. Moving to a 20' lets you go out in higher winds and stay dryer. That size'd boat does not capsize - it just sinks. It also lets you go down below and have some privacy when nature calls during those long sails around the broads.

Rattlesnake Gal · 09-01-2011, 07:52 AM

The link you provided didn't work. Is this it? http://nh.craigslist.org/boa/2502016602.html

How often do you sail now? Do you use both of the boats that you currently own?

She looks very similar to the Cal 21 we used to own. One of the biggest reasons why we sold her was the mast. It is heavy and not easy to put it in in the spring and take it out in the fall. Keep in mind, two strong young men were performing this task. Will you have help with the mast? Will it stay on the lift all year with a bubbler?

Our Cal 21 was super fun, very stable, much better in my opinion than the one we have now. I think it is a 15' or so, Bombardier, which is similar to a Laser. I think you would enjoy the bigger boat very much.

Good luck and keep us posted on what you decide to do.

Happy sailing!

fatlazyless · 09-01-2011, 08:05 AM

Yes, that's the boat! I think I need to go find a cheapie psychiatrist to deal with my boatitis buyanother boat desires? This little 20' sailboat would be good for adult beverages....probably set up a small bar down inside....because using it as an overnight camper is a no-go on Winnipesaukee.

Would only have to step the mast one time.....hopefully just one time ever ever.....because it could be stored on the embankment slide for the winter, underneath the big oak tree, and would sell off the nice old trailer? The hull has a very flat bottom except for the little stubby weighted keel which is described below as having 400 pounds of lead weight.

How much money can one spend on fixing up a 34-year old sailboat?

How much does a new main sail cost? I have no idea but I bet it is expensive! The hull id # on the transom indicates it is a 1977 and not a 1978.

http://forums.pda.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=46513

Opportunities like this only knocks once and you could be either a genius or a crazy person to go for it and make it a happening sailboat......who knows......different strokes for different folks? In other words, one does not have to be crazy to go buy a 34 year old sailboat, but it certainly helps!

http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=119 and the factory original 'O'Day 20' nameplate is still riveted to both sides near the windows of this boat. Want to see it? It's right next to Route 3, there in Holderness.....easy to find...

I'm hoping someone will buy it before I go and buy it myself! Last thing I need is another boat.......yeeccchhh.....even this one!

NoBozo · 09-01-2011, 11:08 AM

I'm thinking that boat is a 19'2" O'Day Mariner 2+2. A nice boat with many having been built. The hull came from the O'Day Rhodes 19. The original Mariner had a "bump" in the coach roof, shown in the Wiki picture, to give more headroom. Supposedly the boat had four berths, but that would be a stretch in real life use. Two adults and maybe two small kids.

Four horsepower is fine for that boat. I have seen Six horespower used but it's really not necessary.

NB

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Day_Mariner

fatlazyless · 09-01-2011, 11:43 AM

Thanks for posting the wikipedia link to the O'Day 19' Mariner, and I do not know what's what with this. Maybe you are correct and I'm not sure, but the boat in Holderness does say 'O'Day 20' on a plastic factory original logo attached to the upper hull area, as I added to post above so it's hard to say.

NoBozo · 09-01-2011, 01:58 PM

Totally agree FLL. I had forgotten about the "Numbered" boats. In the old days, most ..if not all O'Days had names...Like Daysailer, Mariner, Outlaw, Rhodes 19, etc. Until you woke up my memory, I had totally forgotten about the "numbered" boats in that size range that came later.

THE One that now comes to mind is the O'Day 22. I'm sorry I can't say anything complimentary about that boat....primarily its Sailing Characteristics. It was a keel centerboard like the 20. The 22 would NOT go Up Wind. At the time I had a Pearson Ensign (22') and the two boats were no match. The O'Day 22 may as well have been 15' because I could just walk away from it with the Ensign.

The Ensign was a full keel boat with inside ballast and 400# more weight, and might be expected to out-sail a lighter keel centerboarder on the wind...but not the great difference I found. After all, they were both 22'.

One thing I always took into consideration when I would run across a poorly performing boat was the skill level of the skipper. After all, the O'Day 22 WAS an entry level boat.

NB

EDIT: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=79

EDIT: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=162

PS: FLL: That's a handy little site. I'm saving it.

NoBozo · 09-01-2011, 04:57 PM

Since you alerted me to this Site, I have skipped around that Site using various perameters..Manufacturer, Designer, Boat Name..etc. Excellent.

The one thing you NEED on this Site is a Name. Some of my searches....such as the Mirror Dinghy Thingy a month ago..I found pictures in my 60s/70s Sailboat Catalogs that provided a START...to get me to a Name. With THIS Site..combined with my paper catalogs....and my memory...I should be able to identify even the Mayflower...

NB

PS: Thanks again FLL.

ITD · 09-01-2011, 05:09 PM

Less, the ladies will be falling all over you with that boat, go for it buddy.

bkgoodman · 09-01-2011, 08:28 PM

Looks like a sweet boat!

The only problem I'd have with is is the whole porta-potty thing...

I'd prefer a pump-out style head - but that's just my preference.

-BKG

fatlazyless · 09-02-2011, 07:12 AM

About two weeks of d-i-y elbow grease could make that boat shine; clorox - boat wax & buff - teak oil - renew cleats and clamps w/vaseline - renew bottom surface with sanding-prime & new paint - renew aluminum mast-boom-ss rigging w/ vaseline...etcetera...etcetera

http://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=23267

Inspect 34 year old (?) sails; main-jib-genoa!

Inspect hull for fiberglass delamination or any serious structural damage!

A great boat for someone!

The trailer looks surprisingly good for a 34 year old trailer with lots of new parts like bunks and lights!

Any hot looking, Gov Island 40-50 something wealthy widows out there looking to redo a nice old boat while I go hit the tennis court?

Boats are just like people; it's not the age, it's the condition that counts!

ApS · 02-14-2013, 07:25 AM

Part of an email I got from a Chicago buddy—I had just asked why he replaced the stays:

Quote:

"Yes it is an O ‘Day built in 1972, very good condition for its age. The old stays were original and stretched so one broke and the mast fell, but no damage to it...I’ve ordered replacements (with an upgrade) from D & R Marine, they stock replacement parts for O’Days. It is a freshwater boat but was sailed in salt water on a vacation. The trailer is in good condition I just need to repack the wheel bearings. It has the original sails which are also in good condition, will probably replace next year. Objective right now is to get it ready for some sailing...I paid $500 for it, probably the best buy I’ve made outside of my Olympic K1."

09-01-2011, 06:23 AM	#1
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,527 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 296 Thanked 957 Times in 698 Posts	...window shopping a 20' sailboat? http://nh.craigslist.org/boa/2502016602.html Should I buy this? 1977 O-Day 20' sailboat, enclosed cabin, in Holderness w/ trailer...asking $2500. Cannot make up my mind on buying another sailboat? Already have two; a 12' and 13', but this is a much bigger one at 20', and could probably get it for $2000 because it's been for sale since July 18? It's parked on a trailer next to Rt 3 in Holderness at the Squam Lakes Assoc.....a 1977 fiberglass, aluminum, and teak trim, fixer-upper. A 4-hp motor on the little outboard holder in the back seems way, way under-powered for a 20'. I have a 25hp tiller handle weighing 125-lb which would be much better for a 20' sailboat? Whatcha think? It comes with three original 1977 white sails; main-jib-genoa, and a very decent trailer. Would store it on a boat lift. It has a retractable centerboard that gets lowered by pulling the line. It also has what looks like a stubby keel, probably heavy loaded with iron, and the center board descends thru the stubby keel. Hopefully, someone else will grab it away before I take the plunge.....it's getting scary! Best days ever when getting an old used sailboat: the day you buy it.......and the day you get rid of it! Will think about it and hopefully someone else will snap it up. You know what they say: YOU SNOOZE-YOU LOSE! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 09-01-2011 at 07:56 AM.

09-01-2011, 06:55 AM	#2
fpartri497 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Concord NH Posts: 681 Thanks: 97 Thanked 48 Times in 39 Posts	you need to dip Into that pot of gold that you are hiding under your mattress and buy the boatl __________________ dont worry be happy

09-01-2011, 07:00 AM	#3
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,547 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,398 Thanked 1,918 Times in 1,061 Posts	go for it Sounds like a steal for a guy who is "down and out", always looking for work, "living on the Walmart side of the lake". Working on the boat and getting it in pristine shape, you could flip it and make some cash to help you pay your taxes. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

09-01-2011, 07:36 AM	#5
Lakegeezer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 1,657 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 342 Thanked 618 Times in 278 Posts	snap'r up Sounds like a reasonable price. Concerns would be the age. Check to be sure there is no delamination or rot between the fiberglass. Check the centerboard mechanism. 4HP may be a bit light, but 25 is way too much. You don't want a lot of weight hanging on the back of the boat. My 22' Catalina sailboat has a 6HP 4-stroke and that is more than plenty to get me home when the winds get too high. Moving to a 20' lets you go out in higher winds and stay dryer. That size'd boat does not capsize - it just sinks. It also lets you go down below and have some privacy when nature calls during those long sails around the broads. __________________ -lg

09-01-2011, 07:52 AM	#6
Rattlesnake Gal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Central NH Posts: 5,252 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,447 Thanked 1,349 Times in 475 Posts	Sailboat The link you provided didn't work. Is this it? http://nh.craigslist.org/boa/2502016602.html How often do you sail now? Do you use both of the boats that you currently own? She looks very similar to the Cal 21 we used to own. One of the biggest reasons why we sold her was the mast. It is heavy and not easy to put it in in the spring and take it out in the fall. Keep in mind, two strong young men were performing this task. Will you have help with the mast? Will it stay on the lift all year with a bubbler? Our Cal 21 was super fun, very stable, much better in my opinion than the one we have now. I think it is a 15' or so, Bombardier, which is similar to a Laser. I think you would enjoy the bigger boat very much. Good luck and keep us posted on what you decide to do. Happy sailing!

09-01-2011, 07:33 AM	#4
MarkinNH Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 392 Thanks: 177 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	If you spend all your spare cash on another sailboat, you might miss out on some really good deals at the new Family Dollar store !

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09-01-2011, 08:05 AM	#7
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,527 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 296 Thanked 957 Times in 698 Posts	Yes, that's the boat! I think I need to go find a cheapie psychiatrist to deal with my boatitis buyanother boat desires? This little 20' sailboat would be good for adult beverages....probably set up a small bar down inside....because using it as an overnight camper is a no-go on Winnipesaukee. Would only have to step the mast one time.....hopefully just one time ever ever.....because it could be stored on the embankment slide for the winter, underneath the big oak tree, and would sell off the nice old trailer? The hull has a very flat bottom except for the little stubby weighted keel which is described below as having 400 pounds of lead weight. How much money can one spend on fixing up a 34-year old sailboat? How much does a new main sail cost? I have no idea but I bet it is expensive! The hull id # on the transom indicates it is a 1977 and not a 1978. http://forums.pda.sailboatowners.com...ad.php?t=46513 Opportunities like this only knocks once and you could be either a genius or a crazy person to go for it and make it a happening sailboat......who knows......different strokes for different folks? In other words, one does not have to be crazy to go buy a 34 year old sailboat, but it certainly helps! http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=119 and the factory original 'O'Day 20' nameplate is still riveted to both sides near the windows of this boat. Want to see it? It's right next to Route 3, there in Holderness.....easy to find... I'm hoping someone will buy it before I go and buy it myself! Last thing I need is another boat.......yeeccchhh.....even this one! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 09-01-2011 at 12:23 PM.

09-01-2011, 11:08 AM	#8
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	I'm thinking that boat is a 19'2" O'Day Mariner 2+2. A nice boat with many having been built. The hull came from the O'Day Rhodes 19. The original Mariner had a "bump" in the coach roof, shown in the Wiki picture, to give more headroom. Supposedly the boat had four berths, but that would be a stretch in real life use. Two adults and maybe two small kids. Four horsepower is fine for that boat. I have seen Six horespower used but it's really not necessary. NB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Day_Mariner

09-01-2011, 11:43 AM	#9
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,527 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 296 Thanked 957 Times in 698 Posts	Thanks for posting the wikipedia link to the O'Day 19' Mariner, and I do not know what's what with this. Maybe you are correct and I'm not sure, but the boat in Holderness does say 'O'Day 20' on a plastic factory original logo attached to the upper hull area, as I added to post above so it's hard to say. __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

09-01-2011, 01:58 PM	#10
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	Totally agree FLL. I had forgotten about the "Numbered" boats. In the old days, most ..if not all O'Days had names...Like Daysailer, Mariner, Outlaw, Rhodes 19, etc. Until you woke up my memory, I had totally forgotten about the "numbered" boats in that size range that came later. THE One that now comes to mind is the O'Day 22. I'm sorry I can't say anything complimentary about that boat....primarily its Sailing Characteristics. It was a keel centerboard like the 20. The 22 would NOT go Up Wind. At the time I had a Pearson Ensign (22') and the two boats were no match. The O'Day 22 may as well have been 15' because I could just walk away from it with the Ensign. The Ensign was a full keel boat with inside ballast and 400# more weight, and might be expected to out-sail a lighter keel centerboarder on the wind...but not the great difference I found. After all, they were both 22'. One thing I always took into consideration when I would run across a poorly performing boat was the skill level of the skipper. After all, the O'Day 22 WAS an entry level boat. NB EDIT: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=79 EDIT: http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=162 PS: FLL: That's a handy little site. I'm saving it. Last edited by NoBozo; 09-01-2011 at 02:37 PM.

09-01-2011, 04:57 PM	#11
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	Fll Since you alerted me to this Site, I have skipped around that Site using various perameters..Manufacturer, Designer, Boat Name..etc. Excellent. The one thing you NEED on this Site is a Name. Some of my searches....such as the Mirror Dinghy Thingy a month ago..I found pictures in my 60s/70s Sailboat Catalogs that provided a START...to get me to a Name. With THIS Site..combined with my paper catalogs....and my memory...I should be able to identify even the Mayflower... NB PS: Thanks again FLL.

09-01-2011, 05:09 PM	#12
ITD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 2,860 Thanks: 461 Thanked 666 Times in 366 Posts	Less, the ladies will be falling all over you with that boat, go for it buddy.

09-01-2011, 08:28 PM	#13
bkgoodman Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Nashua, NH Posts: 66 Thanks: 27 Thanked 16 Times in 6 Posts	Looks like a sweet boat! The only problem I'd have with is is the whole porta-potty thing... I'd prefer a pump-out style head - but that's just my preference. -BKG

09-02-2011, 07:12 AM	#14
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,527 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 296 Thanked 957 Times in 698 Posts	About two weeks of d-i-y elbow grease could make that boat shine; clorox - boat wax & buff - teak oil - renew cleats and clamps w/vaseline - renew bottom surface with sanding-prime & new paint - renew aluminum mast-boom-ss rigging w/ vaseline...etcetera...etcetera http://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=23267 Inspect 34 year old (?) sails; main-jib-genoa! Inspect hull for fiberglass delamination or any serious structural damage! A great boat for someone! The trailer looks surprisingly good for a 34 year old trailer with lots of new parts like bunks and lights! Any hot looking, Gov Island 40-50 something wealthy widows out there looking to redo a nice old boat while I go hit the tennis court? Boats are just like people; it's not the age, it's the condition that counts! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 09-02-2011 at 11:27 AM.