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09-27-2023, 03:01 PM | #1 |
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Frozen pipes
This one is for you brainiacs who know all there is about closing a house for the winter months: Assuming that you have done almost everything possible to prevent a disaster in freezing weather, including draining the pipes, etc….if the house is on a slab, which makes emptying the hot water heater completely almost impossible,
my husband claims that the water heater would still contain some water. If that is so, and it’s a 50 gallon tank and there’s 10 to 20 gallons left in the tank, if there should be a freeze (power failure plus generator failure), wouldn’t the water, as it begins to freeze, merely expand to fill the available space in the tank and not result in a disaster? This has been driving me nuts! TIA for any useful advice. Sue |
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Can’t believe it would hold as much as you believe. The bottom drain valve should be lower enough to drain it completely
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Even on a slab if you drain the hot water heater, it will be almost empty.... the residue water inside will be minimal.... unless you have to run the hose you attach to the drain up hill to get into a tub or sink or something.... if this is the case you can by a small pump that will help you with the draining process...
I simplely hook up a hose, and drain mine which sits inside my attached shed.... I don't tip it or do anything funny.... I do leave the drain open so anything residual can drip out....... I have been doing this for lets see ummmm over 30+ years.... and am currently on the second water heater in that time span.... the failure of the original hot water heater, was some idiot forgetting to turn the power off as he drained it... and the element burnt out..... I figured at 20 years, I would bother rebuilding the dam thing, and just go a entirely new one..... Not sure where you are on the lake, but feel free to reach out through a PM....
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When I lived in Wolfeboro the house was on a slab. Same situation as you. We winterized every year by draining the tank through its drain valve and then pressurizing the system with a compressor through an outdoor spigot (with all the faucets open of course). Never had an issue.
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At the house, I connect compressor to the line that feeds the cabin and blow out everything, including the hot water heater. I close the faucets and then shut down the compressor. Every year when I start it up in the spring there is still air pressure in the lines. The first time that happened it was a surprise to me. |
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You can buy a small pump that hooks up to garden hoses to suck out all the water without making a mess. I think they should have them at Harbor Freight. |
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09-27-2023, 06:17 PM | #9 |
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Thank you all for the many suggestions…..a great help. We’ll have to see which ones make the most sense for our situation.
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I used to do all the winterizing myself. Never had issues. Attach a hose. Open the valve at the bottom of the tank and walk away. Close the valve in the spring after running some water through to flush whatever had settled in the tank. Now, I hire somebody. I like the convenience of just locking the door and leaving. I get an email in the spring saying everything works and the house is cozy. Same guy watches so there are no surprise trees that came down and fell into the living room. Anybody who goes away should have a "guy".
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I will be away from house this winter, and have a 'a guy' check house from time to time.
Question..... Do I really need to drain hot water heater, I haven't int the past and everything has been fine. HW heater is in basement. FYI, I leave my heat on at 52 degrees, and have a temperature sensor alarm, which lets me know if house temp drops below 50 degrees. Thoughts ? |
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Yes, and I could be wrong to do that. In the spring as soon as I open the faucets the rush of air tells me that there have been no underground leaks. I am concerned that once I turn the water on I would not notice a very small underground water leak.
Also, my thought is that the pressure may add some strength and a little protection to the line. My ideas, and I could be wrong to do it this way. |
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The other piece of advice, would be to leave cabinet doors under sinks open... to help keep those spaces heated.... with that said why 50 degrees, why not 55, just to give yourself more cushion....
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We set the thermostat at 50 for the furnace, 45 for electric heat backup, and flip the circuit breakers for water pump and hot water heater. We should be fine, but I am a neurotic case re frozen pipes because we had a mess on our hands a few years back. An electrician we had did some rewiring and mislabeled the water pump! The result was catastrophic.
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And hey sometimes even when you do it right, things still happen.... You know those little sprayer with Kitchen sinks.... never thought or had a problem for 20 years with them.... But lately the sprayer keeps getting s split, because of a drop or two of residual water... .... this year I will just take the stupid thing apart.....
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Can't be too neurotic about having pipes freeze while you are away from the house. Water leaks lead to structural damage and mold/mildew issues if not dealt with immediately. A bad mold infestation is very hard and costly to truly eliminate.
When I leave my house for more than a couple of days in the winter, I leave the heat on, but shut off and drain the pipes anyway (a fairly easy process) - that way, should I lose power, I am much less likely to have a pipe issue. BTW, I have an automatic generator at my house and I still don't trust it (guess I am neurotic too). |
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Besides just draining why don’t you simply blow out your lines with an air compressor? This would ensure everything gets drained. It’s very simple to do just hookup a small compressor (preferably oiless) to your blue well tank (well-x-troll), set your compressor for 60 psi, then just repeatedly open and close all faucets, toilet tanks, washing machine, etc, etc, in your home until nothing but air comes out. It’s really pretty simple and will ensure your lines are completely drained. Don’t forget to run RV antifreeze through your washing machine to avoid serious problems in the spring! Good luck! Dan
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Drain the tank with a short (~3-foot) hose. When no more water drips out, raise the hose up fully and pour a half-cup of RV antifreeze down the hose. That is enough antifreeze to dilute safely any remaining water. Lowering the hose (to re-use the antifreeze) is optional. |
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On a side note, any reason I cannot shut-off main water valve in basement for the winter ? Furnace is gas propane and does not use water as an oil furnace would. Just trying to eliminate possible flooding..... Sorry for any rudimentary questions but this is still new to me........ |
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I agree i use Smitty and he shuts down and opens up. I have forced hot water heat so all rooms area concern. I use a professional rather than guess and with him its worked for 10 years. Prior to that i used a plumber who is now retired so don't need to mention his name but he didnt do it right and we have three years of leakage in the ceiling. Smitty so far has been perfect
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The camp next door, also has a low point drain, and has never had a problem... once again because it was designed that way, although they now have someone close who I believe also uses compressed air regardless....
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I used to have a 3-season camp in Alton Bay back in the 80's. My next-door neighbor built his camp with the kitchen and bathrooms over a corner of his house. He had everything draining into one small, insulated enclosure in the crawl space which he heated with a small propane wall heater. So he would just drain the pipes down to that room, put antifreeze in the traps, and just heat that area, very efficient!
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There are some really great suggestions here….much appreciated, that’s for sure. I really like the one using RV anti freeze…maybe that will work here. You just can’t be too careful with our frigid climate. With all the suggestions here, I hope that these are helpful to many of you. Happy winter 🥶!
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