So what's the timetable for the bill now?

Airwaves · 03-06-2006, 09:37 PM

I am not familiar with how quickly or slowly the NH legislature moves on bills.

The last I could find on the NH web site was the bill is "In Committee" but no indication when it might be reported out.

Anyone have any insight?

Skip · 03-07-2006, 09:42 AM

From today's Citizen, Transportation Committee could move on HB 162 as soon as tomorrow.

Full story from Geoff Cunningham can be read at the Citizen's on-line site here:

Transportation Committee poised to move forward on HB 162

Thanks Geoff (and the folks at the Citizen) for a great series of articles that have kept us up to date on the issues!

Skip

sum-r breeze · 03-07-2006, 07:25 PM

Skip,

Thanks for that link! Does anyone know how many senators sit on that commitee? They mentioned 3 I think. What is their duty? Do they just make a recomondation or do they have more pull than that? This is really a nail biter!

Thanks,
The Breeze
Wave 'cause I'll be waving back

Skip · 03-07-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sum-r breeze

...Does anyone know how many senators sit on that commitee? They mentioned 3 I think. What is their duty? Do they just make a recomondation or do they have more pull than that? This is really a nail biter!...

There is a total of six Senators on the committee.

They will make a recommendation on the Bill for a vote that will consist of the entire Senate.

Anytime during this process the Bill can be ammended, we really won't know what the final version is until (or if) it reaches the Governor's desk for final signature prior to enactment.

As the article stated, the Chair wants to have something come out of committee by as early as tomorrow so that it can be put on the agenda for a full Senate vote. The full Senate vote would take place at a later date, not tomorrow! I am sure that if a recommendation leaves committee tomorrow it will be very newsworthy and the Citizen has been very prompt about following this story along, as has been WMUR-TV (Channel 9).

Anyway, here is a link to this particular Senate committee for you to peruse at your leisure:

NH Senate Transportation & Interstate Cooperation Committee

Skip

Dave R · 03-08-2006, 11:04 AM

Anyone know how any of the Senators are leaning right now?

Skip · 03-08-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave R

Anyone know how any of the Senators are leaning right now?

Well, in the Transportation Committee 2/3rds of the Senators are leaning to the right and 1/3rd lean to the left.

Of the total 24 Senators (entire Senate) the percentage stays the same, 2/3rds lean to the right and 1/3rd lean to the left!

Sorry, couldn't resist the joke..

...4 of the six Senators on Transportation are Republican, while 16 of the 24 in the full Senate are Republicans.

While a handful have publicly staked their claims on HB 162, most are still playing their cards close to their political chests!

But the clock is ticking, I expect we'll have an outcome within the next week or two from the Committee & possibly the full Senate as a whole, then on (maybe) to the Governor's desk. It appears the Governor will probably sign whatever reaches his office, it hasn't appeared that this is an issue he is willing to waste much political capital on regardless of what form it arrives in.

Keeping my eyes & ears peeled on whatever happens in Committee today, might be worth catching WMUR-TV 9's broadcast later on this evening!

Skip

Dave R · 03-08-2006, 03:41 PM

Do you have the names of those that have already stated the way they'd vote? I might be able to add one more to the against if I know the names(won't say who though).

chipj29 · 03-09-2006, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave R

Do you have the names of those that have already stated the way they'd vote? I might be able to add one more to the against if I know the names(won't say who though).

I received an email from Senate President Gatsas, stating that he is against HB162.

fatlazyless · 03-09-2006, 09:05 AM

Within the six member Senate Transportation Committee two of the four Republicans, Senator Flanders and Senator Martel look like they could be in favor of a 45-25 mph speed limit. They are both very intelligent and experienced law makers who bring lots of 'NH good sense' to the table.

Possible, they could use a a little education why a speed limit is no good!

Paugus Bay Resident · 03-09-2006, 09:26 AM

I received a letter from Sen Boyce stating he is against it. He would possibly support "reasonable and prudent". I also received a similar letter from Sen Clegg, the majority leader.

Woodsy · 03-09-2006, 10:39 AM

I am sure it will be a close vote either way!

I am in favor of "Reasonable & Prudent" replacing 45/25.

Woodsy

fatlazyless · 03-09-2006, 12:33 PM

The problem with 'reasonable & prudent' when applying it to a boat speed limit is that different boaters will have different opinions as to what is 'reasonable & prudent.'

In a newspaper article from last summer, the driver of **** a 47' Fountain powered by three 620hp engines, capable of about 100mph, said that going 50-60mph at night is "perfectly reasonable" with the proper running lights and eye glasses. He made a point of differentiating from going these speeds out on the broads and not in the bays.

In addition to the safety factor, what about the noise factor of going these speeds?

Concord Monitor June 22, 2005 - Here, speed knows no limits

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/p...0050622/REPOSI...

Drummer Boy · 03-09-2006, 12:41 PM

The Laconia Daily Sun is reporting this morning that this bill is on life support

Woodsy · 03-09-2006, 01:01 PM

I will wait to see what happens. As with the House of Representatives, anything is possible!

FLL, your link doesn't seem to work?

There is also a new noise bill in the works that allows for what is essentially instantaneous dockside testing... that will cut down on the noise offenders.

Woodsy

fatlazyless · 03-09-2006, 01:42 PM

Sorry about that, but posting a link using my ten year old web-tv box is a hit-or-miss. Makes me feel just like I'm cruisn' under that Birch Island bridge on a full moon night and then back home. "Where's the bottom and which way from here........gosh, is this a big lake?"

codeman671 · 03-09-2006, 02:33 PM

I received a response via a relative in the Marine industry from Marth Fuller-Clark that she is going to support the bill. If anyone wants a copy of her response PM me. Hopefully she is on the minority side of the vote!!!

Airwaves · 03-09-2006, 05:56 PM

So did the Senate Transporation and Interstate Cooperation Committee take a vote to either recommend or not recommend this bill?

If so anyone know if they voted yea or nay?

fatlazyless · 03-09-2006, 07:06 PM

Here's what Senator Martha Fuller Clark said to me.

Dear fatlazyless,

Thankyou for contacting me with your concerns regarding HB 162. After much thought and consideration, I believe that it is important to protect all citizens and visitors who are using the New Hampshire Lakes. The best way is to pass a specific speed limit for day and night time speed limits. For this particular reason I am going to vote in favor of HB 162. For the bill puts in place a clear and definable safety regulation with regard to how fast boats may or may not travel on lakes.

Sincerely,

Senator Martha Fuller Clark

Skip · 03-09-2006, 07:14 PM

Here's what Martha said to me.

Dear Skip,

Thankyou for contacting me with your concerns regarding HB 162. After much thought and consideration, I believe that it is important to protect all citizens and visitors who are using the New Hampshire Lakes. The best way is to pass a specific speed limit for day and night time speed limits. For this particular reason I am going to vote in favor of HB 162. For the bill puts in place a clear and definable safety regulation with regard to how fast boats may or may not travel on lakes.

However, for a $100 "re-elect Martha" contribution, I could be convinced to raise the proposed limits to 35/55.

A $250 "donation" could convince me to raise the daytime limit to 70 Mph.

And a reasonable and prudent $500 donation could convine me to be "reasonable & prudent" also!

Anyway, you know where to send the money!

Sincerely,

Martha

fatlazyless · 03-09-2006, 09:54 PM

Gee whiz Skipper, that Martha needs to raise her prices at least up to the 500.....750......1000 dollar range where the Republicans all live. But the Democrats were always the party for the little guy. Either way, everyone....the politicians, the voters, the GF-BLs, and even the kayakers are all a little guilty. Everyone is at least a little guilty, one way or another.

So on one side, it's "50-60 mph at night is perfectly reasonable and proper" and on the other side it's "we need a clear & definable speed limit." Is there a middle compromise possible here? Probably not!

Cal · 03-09-2006, 10:21 PM

And here all this time I though NJ had the best politicians money could buy

codeman671 · 03-09-2006, 10:48 PM

It looks like the same response to everyone, we got an exact copy.

Airwaves · 03-09-2006, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Original post by codeman671 It looks like the same response to everyone, we got an exact copy.

We're all dealing with politicians, only the smart ones have more than two form letters!

ITD · 03-09-2006, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

...100....250....500......dollars, thats cheap!
.......at least up to the 500.....750......1000 dollar range where the Republicans all live. But the Democrats were always the party for the little guy......

Ah Less, I love the way you sneak the little political jabs in there but I think you have your info. wrong. Take a look www.opensecrets.org and check out who the little guy gave more to on the last Presidential election. It's opposite of what you think and I'm willing to bet the same thing is happening around the lake.

03-07-2006, 09:42 AM	#2
Skip Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dover, NH Posts: 1,615 Thanks: 256 Thanked 514 Times in 182 Posts	Senate Transportation Committee update.... From today's Citizen, Transportation Committee could move on HB 162 as soon as tomorrow. Full story from Geoff Cunningham can be read at the Citizen's on-line site here: Transportation Committee poised to move forward on HB 162 Thanks Geoff (and the folks at the Citizen) for a great series of articles that have kept us up to date on the issues! Skip

03-07-2006, 07:25 PM	#3
sum-r breeze Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Burlington Ma / Laconia NH Posts: 396 Thanks: 155 Thanked 201 Times in 97 Posts	What's Next? Skip, Thanks for that link! Does anyone know how many senators sit on that commitee? They mentioned 3 I think. What is their duty? Do they just make a recomondation or do they have more pull than that? This is really a nail biter! Thanks, The Breeze Wave 'cause I'll be waving back

03-09-2006, 09:05 AM	#9
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,525 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 295 Thanked 957 Times in 698 Posts	Sen Flanders & Sen Martel Within the six member Senate Transportation Committee two of the four Republicans, Senator Flanders and Senator Martel look like they could be in favor of a 45-25 mph speed limit. They are both very intelligent and experienced law makers who bring lots of 'NH good sense' to the table. Possible, they could use a a little education why a speed limit is no good!

03-09-2006, 09:26 AM	#10
Paugus Bay Resident Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Gilmanton, NH Posts: 754 Thanks: 136 Thanked 92 Times in 51 Posts	I received a letter from Sen Boyce stating he is against it. He would possibly support "reasonable and prudent". I also received a similar letter from Sen Clegg, the majority leader. Last edited by Paugus Bay Resident; 03-09-2006 at 04:15 PM.

03-09-2006, 10:39 AM	#11
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,949 Thanks: 80 Thanked 969 Times in 432 Posts	I am sure it will be a close vote either way! I am in favor of "Reasonable & Prudent" replacing 45/25. Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

03-06-2006, 09:37 PM	#1
Airwaves Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: I'm right here! Posts: 1,153 Thanks: 9 Thanked 102 Times in 37 Posts	I am not familiar with how quickly or slowly the NH legislature moves on bills. The last I could find on the NH web site was the bill is "In Committee" but no indication when it might be reported out. Anyone have any insight?

03-08-2006, 11:04 AM	#5
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,974 Thanks: 246 Thanked 736 Times in 438 Posts	Anyone know how any of the Senators are leaning right now?

03-08-2006, 03:41 PM	#7
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,974 Thanks: 246 Thanked 736 Times in 438 Posts	Do you have the names of those that have already stated the way they'd vote? I might be able to add one more to the against if I know the names(won't say who though).

03-09-2006, 12:33 PM	#12
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,525 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 295 Thanked 957 Times in 698 Posts	...different strokes for different folks! The problem with 'reasonable & prudent' when applying it to a boat speed limit is that different boaters will have different opinions as to what is 'reasonable & prudent.' In a newspaper article from last summer, the driver of **** a 47' Fountain powered by three 620hp engines, capable of about 100mph, said that going 50-60mph at night is "perfectly reasonable" with the proper running lights and eye glasses. He made a point of differentiating from going these speeds out on the broads and not in the bays. In addition to the safety factor, what about the noise factor of going these speeds? Concord Monitor June 22, 2005 - Here, speed knows no limits http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/p...0050622/REPOSI...

03-09-2006, 12:41 PM	#13
Drummer Boy Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 40 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	it's on life support The Laconia Daily Sun is reporting this morning that this bill is on life support

03-09-2006, 01:01 PM	#14
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,949 Thanks: 80 Thanked 969 Times in 432 Posts	I will wait to see what happens. As with the House of Representatives, anything is possible! FLL, your link doesn't seem to work? There is also a new noise bill in the works that allows for what is essentially instantaneous dockside testing... that will cut down on the noise offenders. Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

03-09-2006, 01:42 PM	#15
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,525 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 295 Thanked 957 Times in 698 Posts	...trying to post a link! Sorry about that, but posting a link using my ten year old web-tv box is a hit-or-miss. Makes me feel just like I'm cruisn' under that Birch Island bridge on a full moon night and then back home. "Where's the bottom and which way from here........gosh, is this a big lake?"

03-09-2006, 02:33 PM	#16
codeman671 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,360 Thanks: 210 Thanked 764 Times in 448 Posts	I received a response via a relative in the Marine industry from Marth Fuller-Clark that she is going to support the bill. If anyone wants a copy of her response PM me. Hopefully she is on the minority side of the vote!!!

03-09-2006, 05:56 PM	#17
Airwaves Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: I'm right here! Posts: 1,153 Thanks: 9 Thanked 102 Times in 37 Posts	So did the Senate Transporation and Interstate Cooperation Committee take a vote to either recommend or not recommend this bill? If so anyone know if they voted yea or nay?

03-09-2006, 07:06 PM	#18
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,525 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 295 Thanked 957 Times in 698 Posts	....."a clear and definable safety regulation" Here's what Senator Martha Fuller Clark said to me. Dear fatlazyless, Thankyou for contacting me with your concerns regarding HB 162. After much thought and consideration, I believe that it is important to protect all citizens and visitors who are using the New Hampshire Lakes. The best way is to pass a specific speed limit for day and night time speed limits. For this particular reason I am going to vote in favor of HB 162. For the bill puts in place a clear and definable safety regulation with regard to how fast boats may or may not travel on lakes. Sincerely, Senator Martha Fuller Clark Last edited by fatlazyless; 03-09-2006 at 07:17 PM. Reason: typo

03-09-2006, 07:14 PM	#19
Skip Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dover, NH Posts: 1,615 Thanks: 256 Thanked 514 Times in 182 Posts	Wow, here's the response I received.... Here's what Martha said to me. Dear Skip, Thankyou for contacting me with your concerns regarding HB 162. After much thought and consideration, I believe that it is important to protect all citizens and visitors who are using the New Hampshire Lakes. The best way is to pass a specific speed limit for day and night time speed limits. For this particular reason I am going to vote in favor of HB 162. For the bill puts in place a clear and definable safety regulation with regard to how fast boats may or may not travel on lakes. However, for a $100 "re-elect Martha" contribution, I could be convinced to raise the proposed limits to 35/55. A $250 "donation" could convince me to raise the daytime limit to 70 Mph. And a reasonable and prudent $500 donation could convine me to be "reasonable & prudent" also! Anyway, you know where to send the money! Sincerely, Martha

03-09-2006, 09:54 PM	#20
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,525 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 295 Thanked 957 Times in 698 Posts	...100....250....500......dollars, thats cheap! Gee whiz Skipper, that Martha needs to raise her prices at least up to the 500.....750......1000 dollar range where the Republicans all live. But the Democrats were always the party for the little guy. Either way, everyone....the politicians, the voters, the GF-BLs, and even the kayakers are all a little guilty. Everyone is at least a little guilty, one way or another. So on one side, it's "50-60 mph at night is perfectly reasonable and proper" and on the other side it's "we need a clear & definable speed limit." Is there a middle compromise possible here? Probably not!

03-09-2006, 10:21 PM	#21
Cal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pitman , NJ Posts: 627 Thanks: 40 Thanked 21 Times in 12 Posts	And here all this time I though NJ had the best politicians money could buy __________________ Paddle faster , I think I here banjos

03-09-2006, 10:48 PM	#22
codeman671 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,360 Thanks: 210 Thanked 764 Times in 448 Posts	It looks like the same response to everyone, we got an exact copy.