What Is This?

Senter Cove Guy · 07-21-2012, 07:57 PM

I'm sorry but this post had to be deleted.

Diver1111 · 07-21-2012, 08:10 PM

Email the piks to the state archaeologist in Concord-Richard Boisvert:

richard.boisvert@dcr.nh.gov

I know he would like to see them.

Rattlesnake Gal · 07-22-2012, 06:28 AM

This lake treasure is very interesting! Thanks for sharing this cool find with us. Can't wait to hear what the expert has to say about it.

SteveA · 07-22-2012, 01:29 PM

Here are a few links to specific pottery made by Native Americans

http://www.nativetech.org/pottery/pottery.htm

http://www.clayhound.us/sites/iroquois.htm

http://www.clayhound.us/sites/wampanoag.htm

This link includes a list of the "collections" of Native American artifacts in New Hampshire. They list the Libby Museum in Wolfeboro with this notation:

Libby Museum
"Wolfeboro, NH (summer only)
Collection began in 1912 recently analyzed by state archeologist, includes chronological display of 35 Abnaki artifacts from prehistoric to contact eras."

Maybe they could help you with your find!

Good Luck!

8gv · 07-22-2012, 11:15 PM

That's the drain plug for the lake!

SteveA · 07-23-2012, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8gv

That's the drain plug for the lake!

Now that is funny! LOL

Rich · 07-24-2012, 08:35 AM

wondering why the OP had to be deleted?

Did you find something super secret?

RailroadJoe · 07-24-2012, 09:42 AM

Good point. Why delete it? Lets hear why and just what the object is.

NoBozo · 07-24-2012, 12:55 PM

I didn't get to see the picture, but maybe it Belonged to someone else.

NB

Rattlesnake Gal · 07-24-2012, 02:06 PM

Is that they need to keep interest down until the area is searched for more relics. This might have been a very historic find for New Hampshire's Lakes Region.

I have complete confidence that Senter Cove Guy will update us all when he is able.

Pineedles · 07-24-2012, 03:51 PM

From SteveA's links it didn't match any of the illustrated pots and the methodology of construction looked more primitive. It could be Ice-Age in origin.

Senter Cove Guy · 12-10-2012, 10:58 PM

Just after I created this thread, I was asked to remove my post. Here’s why.

When the original artifacts that were found were initially reviewed by State of NH archeologists, they were thought to be Indian clay pot relics from 3000 years ago. However, after further study by archeologists and geologists, the leading theory now is that they are ferromanganese nodules/concretions formed by groundwater seeping into the lake and precipitating out the iron and manganese dissolved within.

With the initial hypothesis that the artifacts may have been 3000 years old, it was decided that the site should be “protected” until further studies had been completed, hence, I was asked to remove my post.

Additional dives were done at the site and the attached underwater video was taken. Much of the 20 minute video is hard to view. The best part of the video begins at 13:20 and clearly shows that there are many of these “artifacts” on the bottom. The depth is about 70 feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_70BJkMuQTc

These are the original artifacts.

8gv · 12-11-2012, 08:11 AM

I liked the first explanation more.

ishoot308 · 12-11-2012, 08:16 AM

"they are ferromanganese nodules/concretions formed by groundwater seeping into the lake and precipitating out the iron and manganese dissolved within."

That's exactly what I was going to say it was!

Dan

Grant · 12-11-2012, 08:31 AM

I was really surprised at the number of those nodules when we dove that site (looking, as I remember, for a boat...and a weight belt). But what really struck me was how much that little section of the Lake looked more like a Martian landscape than any other part of the bottom I'd ever seen. The geology and topology of the Lake's bottom never ceases to fascinate.

And, no, we didn't find the boat or the belt.

Rich · 12-11-2012, 09:18 AM

pretty cool!

But I thought the original was that you finally found the crashed UFO that was lost under the lake and that the Feds had caught up with you. I'm glad that you are ok!

SunsetPointWentworth · 12-26-2012, 09:38 PM

Sorry to hear that it wasn't man made. Next Time!

07-21-2012, 07:57 PM	#1
Senter Cove Guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 593 Thanks: 283 Thanked 427 Times in 139 Posts	What Is This? I'm sorry but this post had to be deleted. __________________ Lake Winni - The only place I want to be during the summer. Last edited by Senter Cove Guy; 07-23-2012 at 05:36 PM.

07-22-2012, 06:28 AM	#3
Rattlesnake Gal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Central NH Posts: 5,252 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,447 Thanked 1,349 Times in 475 Posts	Lake Treasure! This lake treasure is very interesting! Thanks for sharing this cool find with us. Can't wait to hear what the expert has to say about it.

07-22-2012, 01:29 PM	#4
SteveA Deceased Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gilford, NH Posts: 2,311 Thanks: 1,070 Thanked 2,054 Times in 497 Posts	Some info... Here are a few links to specific pottery made by Native Americans http://www.nativetech.org/pottery/pottery.htm http://www.clayhound.us/sites/iroquois.htm http://www.clayhound.us/sites/wampanoag.htm This link includes a list of the "collections" of Native American artifacts in New Hampshire. They list the Libby Museum in Wolfeboro with this notation: Libby Museum "Wolfeboro, NH (summer only) Collection began in 1912 recently analyzed by state archeologist, includes chronological display of 35 Abnaki artifacts from prehistoric to contact eras." Maybe they could help you with your find! Good Luck! __________________ "Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry he'll be a mile away and barefoot!" unknown

07-22-2012, 11:15 PM	#5
8gv Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,009 Thanks: 61 Thanked 701 Times in 455 Posts	Now you've done it! That's the drain plug for the lake!

07-24-2012, 02:06 PM	#10
Rattlesnake Gal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Central NH Posts: 5,252 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,447 Thanked 1,349 Times in 475 Posts	My Guess... Is that they need to keep interest down until the area is searched for more relics. This might have been a very historic find for New Hampshire's Lakes Region. I have complete confidence that Senter Cove Guy will update us all when he is able.

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07-21-2012, 08:10 PM	#2
Diver1111 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Exeter NH Posts: 596 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,027 Times in 224 Posts	Email the piks to the state archaeologist in Concord-Richard Boisvert: richard.boisvert@dcr.nh.gov I know he would like to see them.

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07-24-2012, 08:35 AM	#7
Rich Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Derry / Gilford Posts: 1,220 Thanks: 68 Thanked 341 Times in 231 Posts	wondering why the OP had to be deleted? Did you find something super secret?

07-24-2012, 09:42 AM	#8
RailroadJoe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 620 Thanks: 259 Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts	Good point. Why delete it? Lets hear why and just what the object is.

07-24-2012, 12:55 PM	#9
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	I didn't get to see the picture, but maybe it Belonged to someone else. NB

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07-24-2012, 03:51 PM	#11
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,535 Thanks: 1,059 Thanked 652 Times in 363 Posts	From SteveA's links it didn't match any of the illustrated pots and the methodology of construction looked more primitive. It could be Ice-Age in origin.

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12-10-2012, 10:58 PM	#12
Senter Cove Guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 593 Thanks: 283 Thanked 427 Times in 139 Posts	Here's An Update Just after I created this thread, I was asked to remove my post. Here’s why. When the original artifacts that were found were initially reviewed by State of NH archeologists, they were thought to be Indian clay pot relics from 3000 years ago. However, after further study by archeologists and geologists, the leading theory now is that they are ferromanganese nodules/concretions formed by groundwater seeping into the lake and precipitating out the iron and manganese dissolved within. With the initial hypothesis that the artifacts may have been 3000 years old, it was decided that the site should be “protected” until further studies had been completed, hence, I was asked to remove my post. Additional dives were done at the site and the attached underwater video was taken. Much of the 20 minute video is hard to view. The best part of the video begins at 13:20 and clearly shows that there are many of these “artifacts” on the bottom. The depth is about 70 feet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_70BJkMuQTc These are the original artifacts. Attached Images __________________ Lake Winni - The only place I want to be during the summer.

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12-11-2012, 08:11 AM	#13
8gv Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,009 Thanks: 61 Thanked 701 Times in 455 Posts	Thanks for the update... I liked the first explanation more.

12-11-2012, 08:16 AM	#14
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 5,931 Thanks: 2,289 Thanked 4,940 Times in 1,916 Posts	Just What I Thought! "they are ferromanganese nodules/concretions formed by groundwater seeping into the lake and precipitating out the iron and manganese dissolved within." That's exactly what I was going to say it was! Dan Last edited by ishoot308; 12-11-2012 at 09:53 AM.

12-11-2012, 08:31 AM	#15
Grant Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pennsyltuckey, Tuftonboro, Moultonborough Posts: 1,485 Thanks: 337 Thanked 212 Times in 116 Posts	I was really surprised at the number of those nodules when we dove that site (looking, as I remember, for a boat...and a weight belt). But what really struck me was how much that little section of the Lake looked more like a Martian landscape than any other part of the bottom I'd ever seen. The geology and topology of the Lake's bottom never ceases to fascinate. And, no, we didn't find the boat or the belt. __________________ "When I die, please don't let my wife sell my dive gear for what I told her I paid for it."

12-11-2012, 09:18 AM	#16
Rich Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Derry / Gilford Posts: 1,220 Thanks: 68 Thanked 341 Times in 231 Posts	pretty cool! But I thought the original was that you finally found the crashed UFO that was lost under the lake and that the Feds had caught up with you. I'm glad that you are ok!

12-26-2012, 09:38 PM	#17
SunsetPointWentworth Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: claremont/wolfeboro Posts: 155 Thanks: 114 Thanked 51 Times in 26 Posts	Sorry to hear that it wasn't man made. Next Time!