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Old 10-18-2017, 08:35 AM   #1
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Default 2.2 acre Big Island, Paugus Bay; proposed summer girl's camp

While many girl's and boy's summer camps have disappeared from Lake Winnipesaukee over the years, here's an interesting newspaper report about what seems like a well funded and well planned and well intentioned proposal to build a new girl's summer camp on 2.288 acre Big Island in Lake Winnipesaukee-Paugus Bay, located in the City of Laconia ... well, well, well!

http://www.laconiadailysun.com/newsx...oncern-support

"If this proposal doesn't move forward, as many as seven homes could be on the island under current zoning."

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Old 10-18-2017, 11:41 AM   #2
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I don't see the camp as financially viable. Eventually, the isl;and will go to another use. Seven homes at, say, $500K each, with development costs, docks,etc isn't much profit. "I'm out", to coin a phrase.
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Id rather have a seasonal summer camp than 7 homes.


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I don't see the camp as financially viable. Eventually, the isl;and will go to another use. Seven homes at, say, $500K each, with development costs, docks,etc isn't much profit. "I'm out", to coin a phrase.
The owner of the property is phenomenally wealthy, so financial viability is not an issue. He's doing it out of the goodness of his heart, wanting to make a difference in the community. His intensions are purely altruistic, which is not very common today.
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The owner of the property is phenomenally wealthy, so financial viability is not an issue. He's doing it out of the goodness of his heart, wanting to make a difference in the community. His intensions are purely altruistic, which is not very common today.
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Out of curiosity, where does the sewerage go?
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Out of curiosity, where does the sewerage go?
Everyone knows girls don't poop.
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Wow we can go sooo many places with this but its a family site.


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Out of curiosity, where does the sewerage go?
Same place as all the other hundreds of islands.
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one issue that does come to mind is that if it being a camp, although I like the idea, I am not a fan of a conferenece center. Also the camp would be a lot of extra traffic to a very busy area on the lake, being across from it, I am just thinking now of all the paddle boards, kayaks, canoes, swimming groups and other water activites, that could increase danger, still there are markers all around the islands due to rocks.

I dunno jury is out for me, I am more curious about the end game if the camp does not sustain, on the other hand you could have 7 new properties with 7 new docks and more boating traffic, and the water is very shallow on the Weirs BLVD side so how far will docks be out into the water on that side.
and the SDS side narrow and shallow in spots so having to extend docks out would really cut down the traffic on that side of the island (possibly making a case for a no wake zone), forcing it to the other side and making an already busy boating lane even more

My question is the properly dividable, yes there is room for buildable lots, but is the subdivision already approved from the town? does it have to be? and can the town hold it to just 1-3 lots?

This is a tough call for sure.
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Same place as all the other hundreds of islands.
.....and mainland shorefront properties. Though the size/placement of the septic system sustaining a camp on such a small island would seem to be an issue. Not to mention the Laconia water intake is right near there.
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I wondered about sewer/septic. The LDA article said utilities are piped to the island. They did not say underwater cable. Piped to me could indicate water ad sewer. Without sewer, I would expect some sort of common septic/leach field in the center of the island as there are setback requirements from shore line, significantly reducing land available for septic systems.
The current owner may be generous and wealthy, but Ithink we all know of instances where the trustees in future years squandered the trust fund, the plan failed and the municipality ended up with a partially developed project, i.e. unmarketable.
Who knows the septic/sewer plan?
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Since part of the proposal is to "pipe in" utilities to the island I have to believe that would include sewer/water etc.. as 2.2 acres does not seem like sufficient enough space to install private utilities capable of handling the load of a conference center and or girls camp. As is to there is not going to be a lot of room to work with and it would be even more complicated if you consider a well and septic and the associated setback requirements into the mix.
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... some more info .... a special exception, development report, September 22, 2017, application with drawings, maps, photos, and details ..... a totally super-duper plan...... JUST APPROVE IT ........ for the 'BIG ISLAND CAMP', or some such summer camp name such as 'CAMP LACONIA' as yet to be determined and named appropriately by the producer/director of this island project!

http://www.laconianh.gov/AgendaCente...31?fileID=1589

Apparently, the utility lines and pipes; water, sewer and electricity were installed underground, under the lake, using a drilling process called 'directional boring' ... reference: a NH public utilities commission pdf, Feb 13, 2015, Big Island utilities installation application hooking up with Laconia city water and city sewer and local electric.

With "piping laid under the lake", I don't know, but maybe this makes Big Island the only Winnipesaukee island where flushing the toilet travels the septic waste all the way, off island, to the waste water treatment plant, wherever that is. Sort of gives new meaning to that old camp message carved onto many a camp bathroom wall that goes; "Flush twice, it's a long way to the kitchen." On Big Island, they can honestly say: "Flush twice, it's a long way to the waste water treatment plant."

Have to wonder if Big Island was also hooked up to cable-tv with high speed internet and an olde fashioned telephone land line?

You know what's a lot of fun ....having an olde fashioned, crank-up telephone, internal camp phone system, with old working phones that pre-date the rotary dial telephone, where you get to count the number of crank turns .... could be a very nice touch for an island summer camp, hidden away on beautiful Lake Winnipesaukee ...... and could go something like this ....... "four ringie-dingies = waterfront, three ringie-dingies = arts & crafts, two ringie-dingies = dining room/kitchen, and one ringie-dingie = office"...... hellooooooooo!

Do not see a tennis court in the island layout plan ..... but, maybe an outdoor pickle-ball court, which is one third the size of a tennis court ....could be a go? Plus, pickle-ball is much easier to quickly pickle up than tennis for the first time player.

"If this proposal doesn't move forward, as many as seven homes could be on the island under existing zoning." ....and, permanent water, sewer, and electricity seems like a game changer.... will the Laconia Fire Dept want Big Island to have a fire hydrant?
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Since part of the proposal is to "pipe in" utilities to the island I have to believe that would include sewer/water etc.. as 2.2 acres does not seem like sufficient enough space to install private utilities capable of handling the load of a conference center and or girls camp. As is to there is not going to be a lot of room to work with and it would be even more complicated if you consider a well and septic and the associated setback requirements into the mix.
Running all utilities on/off island certainly solves the problem. That said, seems like a wonderful project for the girls and my hat's off to the owner/developer willing to do such.
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I'm amazed that they could get permits and run all the pipes and cables to Big Islands and nobody posted here "Guess what's happening at Big Island". The Forum watchdogs have been asleep, it would seem.
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I'm amazed that they could get permits and run all the pipes and cables to Big Islands and nobody posted here "Guess what's happening at Big Island". The Forum watchdogs have been asleep, it would seem.
Well it's not like they want to put in a bike path/walking trail on state owned property. THAT would be outrageous.
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Default What happened: October 16, 2017, zoning board meeting

City of Laconia, Zoning Board of Adjustment, Monday, October 16, 2017, starting at 7-pm, minutes:

http://www.laconianh.gov/AgendaCente.../_10162017-519 .... 8:10 to 10:01-pm, time devoted to Big Island proposal .... actually, after set-up preparation ..... from 8:28 to 10:01-pm

What happened; after about 90-minutes of Big Island hearings, all four members of the board who were present (zoning has 5-regular members) voted in favor, 4-0, to continue the proposed Big Island application to next month; Monday, Nov 20, 7-pm, at City Hall.
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My editorial opinion, here!

Realistically, is it possible for the loon nesting spot to co-exist on a 2.2-acre island with the proposed girl's summer camp and conference use? Probably not, but all I know is the loons can go flap their wings, and move on to some other island. Loons tend to be very large duck birdies that are very aggressive and hard core fighters. So, my editorial opinion is to build a pickle-ball court, dimension; 20' x 44' rubberized asphalt in 32-different designer colors, that would be used by four pickle-ballers at the same time .....playing pickle-ball doubles........ and, just say good-bye to the loons......and hello to the pickle-ballers! The loons are very tough, mean, hard core fighters that share space with eagles and Canada geese......all three species can be very aggressive and the loons will go find themselves another happy spot on the lake. Hello campers playing pickle-ball ...... and, see-u-later, loonie-birds (sound of the loon, here)!

Pickle-ball is just too much fun! Evict the loons, and put up a pickle-ball court! Better yet, make it two pickle-ball courts, side by side, reddish-orange color with white lines, similar colors as the clay, Roland Garros tennis court in Paris. This would be an extremely happening, waterfront, pickle-ball venue, and get lots and lots of use by campers and conference goers ......... two side-by-side, outdoor, reddish-orange w/ white lines pickle-ball courts!

Suggest you check out the two indoor pickle-ball courts in Laconia, at the old red brick Community Center, close to the High School, and next to Rite Aid. People could row, kayak, canoe, sail, paddle-board, or swim out to Big Island for a conference at 'CAMP LACONIA' and go hit the pickle-ball court while at the conference!
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From today's November 11, 2017 Union Leader (and Sunday's front page, below the fold) by Bea Lewis ...

http://www.newhampshire.com/Texan-wa...amp-in-Laconia

...... is Big Island in Paugus Bay the only island, bridged or no bridge in Lake Winnipesaukee that has full utilities; water-sewer-electricity-fiber optic? What other island has all these utilities installed? Here in the lakes region of New Hampshire, most everyone off island, on the main land, has electricity and phone lines available but to have town water and town sewer lines available seems very luxurious ....... town water and town sewer ...... what a marvel of modern 21st-century engineering?
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Mr Everett seems to be extremely genuine with his efforts to build an camp for underprivileged girls. As long as there is no impact to the environment and the decibel level is under the standards I have no problem with this and admire his philanthropic quest. Also the current zoning of subdividing the island into 5 homes is a much worse alternative.


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Mr Everett seems to be extremely genuine with his efforts to build an camp for underprivileged girls. As long as there is no impact to the environment and the decibel level is under the standards I have no problem with this and admire his philanthropic quest. Also the current zoning of subdividing the island into 5 homes is a much worse alternative.


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Agreed, and he seems to be following all the rules in good faith.

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Zoning Board of Adjustment: Monday night, November 20, starts at 7-pm, Laconia City Hall, Conference Room 200A

'Zoning Board To Consider Big Island Proposal Monday' by Rick Green

http://www.laconiadailysun.com/newsx...sal-monday-480
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Default ..... holy smokes ... 4-0 against Big Island girl's camp

.......holy smokes...... the proposed Big Island girl's summer camp goes down in flames ...... last night, the Laconia Zoning Board of Adjustment voted NO with a vote of 4-against, and 0-in favor ..... big noisy, highly opinionated meeting turn-out as reported in the newspaper ..... (no, I did not attend)

......report in todays LaDaSun ..... will post link later on?

...... is just tough nuggies and crummy cookies for the Big Island girl's summer camp & conference center!
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The closest residential development is South Down Shores. I wonder what percent of the residents in attendance were from there and if they used their "huge war chest" to fight this?

In either case, let's hope it doesn't backfire with a bunch of new development which sounds like might be worse.

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Some of the cases for safety, boat traffic and light pollution in my opinion are a little weak. I thought the camp and conference center was a much better alternative. Now Im sure Mr Everett as a businessman in not going to want to lose the money invested and will now probably build homes allowed in current zoning laws which will create more safety, boating issues and light pollution than the camp would have.


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I don't have a home in this area but if I did I would be against it also. Paugus Bay is a busy area in the summer as it is. This project would make it much worse, JMO. I won't even take my boat into Paugus bay on summer weekends. I waste enough time sitting in traffic during the week in my car I'm not going to sit in boat traffic too.
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I don't have a home in this area but if I did I would be against it also. Paugus Bay is a busy area in the summer as it is. This project would make it much worse, JMO. I won't even take my boat into Paugus bay on summer weekends. I waste enough time sitting in traffic during the week in my car I'm not going to sit in boat traffic too.
What would be worse, a camp with a boat going between marina and island or five boats going all over the Bay and channel?

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I don't have a home in this area but if I did I would be against it also. Paugus Bay is a busy area in the summer as it is. This project would make it much worse, JMO. I won't even take my boat into Paugus bay on summer weekends. I waste enough time sitting in traffic during the week in my car I'm not going to sit in boat traffic too.
In your opinion which would you think is worse, the camp/conference center or 5 homes?

I agree Paugus is already crowded especially on holidays but there is going to be a change to the Big Island I'm sure he is not going to let his 2M investment just sit there.

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Those homes are going to be pretty pricey. Most of the pricey waterfront properties on the lake are owned by wealthy people that rarely use them. There are a couple of multi million dollar properties in my neighborhood that rarely have any visitors. I think a camp would draw much more traffic but I have no dog in this fight so that's just my opinion.
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Those homes are going to be pretty pricey. Most of the pricey waterfront properties on the lake are owned by wealthy people that rarely use them. There are a couple of multi million dollar properties in my neighborhood that rarely have any visitors. I think a camp would draw much more traffic but I have no dog in this fight so that's just my opinion.
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Hopefully whatever he decides it will have the least possible impact to the lake, I thought his intentions were genuine so I am hoping he continues to think about the lake first before a profit.
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Hopefully whatever he decides it will have the least possible impact to the lake, I thought his intentions were genuine so I am hoping he continues to think about the lake first before a profit.
I also think the tax bill on 5 pricey homes would be quite a bit larger than that of a girls camp. And we all know Laconia needs more tax dollars to waste.
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I also think the tax bill on 5 pricey homes would be quite a bit larger than that of a girls camp. And we all know Laconia needs more tax dollars to waste.
Now that just made my morning!!!
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The closest residential development is South Down Shores. I wonder what percent of the residents in attendance were from there and if they used their "huge war chest" to fight this?

In either case, let's hope it doesn't backfire with a bunch of new development which sounds like might be worse.

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There was only one person from South Down and the legal fund is for specific use (read not to oppose the Big Island)

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There was only one person from South Down and the legal fund is for specific use (read not to oppose the Big Island)

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The closest residential development is South Down Shores. I wonder what percent of the residents in attendance were from there and if they used their "huge war chest" to fight this?

In either case, let's hope it doesn't backfire with a bunch of new development which sounds like might be worse.

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Watch what you wish for, those who opposed the camp!! The Big Island is in play and there will be some type of change no doubt and now I believe it is going to be the worse of the two alternatives.
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As far as I found out, looking at all the Winnipesaukee islands, only Big Island and Christmas Island, both in Paugus Bay, Laconia have underground utility service with water, sewer, electricity, and fiber optic.

While Christmas Island, also or previously known as Plummer Island, is a bridged island with automobile use that is so close to the Laconia main land that it is almost on the main land, none of the larger bridged, automobile access islands, Black Cat, Long, or Governors have community water and sewer.

So, 2.2-acre Big Island and a 1950-constructed seasonal home were purchased in 2012 for $725,000 and supposedly about $two-mil has been spent, total, including the purchase price and water/sewer/electricity/fiber optic installation and legal/professional fees. So, is this the end for the proposed Camp 'Big Island', an island summer girl's camp plus conference center located on Paugus Bay, Lake Winnipesaukee in Laconia, NH?

So, what happens next ...... does it get sold directly to the developer of Christmas Island for similar townhouse development, or does it get listed in the local real estate market or what? Maybe a very nice single family, 2.2-acre island home is constructed that gets infrequent use by its' out-of-state owner ....... who knows? ... what the heck happens next?
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He tried. I hope he builds as many houses as the zoning allows.
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The NIMBY crowd won, and the benevolent gentleman with youngsters in mind loses. A real shame. What's with people anyway????
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The NIMBY crowd won, and the benevolent gentleman with youngsters in mind loses. A real shame. What's with people anyway????


They think the island is going to stay the way it is now but we all know change is evident hes not going to let his investment go down the toilet and the houses will be built


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Old Today, 07:15 PM   #42
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Thanks JS. What were the main issues (of the ones listed) people focused on?

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The predominant concerns came from the folks on Paugus Park Road. I can give you my personal opinion and some of the back channel.

I don't think that Mr. Everett really engaged the local community and there were a lot of moving parts to this one. Fundamentally, if the ZBA approved the plan it would give Mr. Everett broad license in the use of the property. I think that was a very big ask.

Personally, I think that a 2 acre little island is not really a good site for a summer camp. It is just too small and isolated to provide a good experience. I laud Mr. Everett for his intent, but he might be better served to do this on a larger parcel that is more accessible elsewhere.

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As far as I found out, looking at all the Winnipesaukee islands, only Big Island and Christmas Island, both in Paugus Bay, Laconia have underground utility service with water, sewer, electricity, and fiber optic.

While Christmas Island, also or previously known as Plummer Island, is a bridged island with automobile use that is so close to the Laconia main land that it is almost on the main land, none of the larger bridged, automobile access islands, Black Cat, Long, or Governors have community water and sewer.

So, 2.2-acre Big Island and a 1950-constructed seasonal home were purchased in 2012 for $725,000 and supposedly about $two-mil has been spent, total, including the purchase price and water/sewer/electricity/fiber optic installation and legal/professional fees. So, is this the end for the proposed Camp 'Big Island', an island summer girl's camp plus conference center located on Paugus Bay, Lake Winnipesaukee in Laconia, NH?

So, what happens next ...... does it get sold directly to the developer of Christmas Island for similar townhouse development, or does it get listed in the local real estate market or what? Maybe a very nice single family, 2.2-acre island home is constructed that gets infrequent use by its' out-of-state owner ....... who knows? ... what the heck happens next?
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Default ...... Timber Island Summer Camp, ages 8-15

With 136-acres, Scott Everett should definitely take a good, long look at Timber Island in Gilford as a potential home to a summer camp. It got sold in about 2001 for about 1.25-million dollars, has just three seasonal camps with two acres each, and 130-acres of old growth forest, conservation easement land.

In about 2001, the State of New Hampshire had the first opportunity to purchase it and said no thanks. Like, why O why would the State of NH want to purchase a 136-acre, totally unoccupied and totally forested island, at an extremely low price, centrally located in Lake Winnipesaukee? To make it a state park, or a state forest, or a youth summer camp .....or, some combination of all three ..... that's why.

Timber Island is a very attractive spot with a number of natural sandy beaches, and has many, many 'no trespassing-keep out-this means you!' signs posted, all 'round the island. It pays almost no property taxes, has no occupants save for the three seasonal camps, gets no use, does nothing, and serves basically no purpose other than being a vacant primeval, old forest that is super nice to look at, or for anchoring close, off shore.

It is sort of like the 'Area 51' of Lake Winnipesaukee.
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