The Dive?

[webmaster]

I just saw that a new service is supposed to open this year on the lake. What do you think?:

Our business is called The Dive and it is a floating, 2400 square foot, 2 level bar and quick order food venue. There are 3 different aspects to it;

1) We will be anchoring on the sand bars for all of the boaters to enjoy food, ice cream and drinks and a fun atmosphere with tvs and music. There is also a retail store with anything one might need if out on the lake for the day.

2) We have a first-of-its-kind boat drive through window (aka the Dive Thru). Customers can order food ahead on our mobile app or through our website - and they will receive a text when they can come to the window to get their order. No need to anchor or find dock space!

3) We will also be booking private VIP charters, events and weddings. There is a huge market for weddings on the lake and there are not a lot of options. Booze cruises, live bands, karaoke and other ticketed events will also be planned for our customers. For those events - we will pick up our customers at a public dock.

https://www.facebook.com/thedivelakewinni/

[rsmlp]

A) Is this for real?

b) hard to believe there's enough business to justify but hey, I could be wrong. Certainly will be a regular at Braun Bay! maybe do alright on the weekends and holidays but the lake is quiet otherwise-which I like!

[Barney Bear]

Any pole dancers? 😜

[noreast]

Good option for the times you want a quick meal but can't get a spot. I don't always have my grill. I hope it works out. Or I'll complain about it being to loud. I haven't decided yet.

[Descant]

2400 sf on two decks means 1200 sf +/- in the water. That's a lot to move from place to place, get anchored and start serving customers. Curious where she (it?) will be home ported. Good luck.

[Hillcountry]

Hard to believe this would be allowed in a state that doesn’t let you fart out there never mind have a floating disco bar...I call bs

[Cal Coon]

I go boating because I love being on my boat, on the water, driving around, exploring the lake, not inside a bar or restaurant. I have a car for that. I can go to a bar or restaurant ANYTIME, but I can't go boating anytime. Unfortunately for me, the only boating I can do is on weekends, so I bring my own food and drinks, and eat on the boat which I enjoy. The last thing I want to do is fight for a slip in (name your town), and go INSIDE on a bright, beautiful, sunshiny day and pay 8.50 for a diet coke. No thanks. If I was fortunate enough to be able to go boating during the week when the lake is quiet, I would much rather take the boat (instead of the car), and go out to eat somewhere on the lake and pay the 8.50 for that diet coke!!! Somewhat of a hypocrite, I'm just not into fighting the crowd on wkends...

[jbolty]

I can see this being a big hit for about 12 weekends in the summer, minus the rainy ones.

Maybe not paying for real estate leasing will make them profitable.


Who knows? Wish them well like any new business. Taking a risk is not easy in time or money.

[thinkxingu]

Ugh. Call me a curmudgeon, Luddite, whatever--I just want simplicity on the lake, the second-to-last holdout against an increasingly complex "real world." (The mountains are the first holdout, but those are under assault, too)

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[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Ugh. Call me a curmudgeon, Luddite, whatever--I just want simplicity on the lake, the second-to-last holdout against an increasingly complex "real world." (The mountains are the first holdout, but those are under assault, too)

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Couldn’t agree more...

[ApS]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Ugh. Call me a curmudgeon, Luddite, whatever--I just want simplicity on the lake, the second-to-last holdout against an increasingly complex "real world." (The mountains are the first holdout, but those are under assault, too)

Fortunately, our view of the mountains doesn't include a water-bottling plant.

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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by ApS

Fortunately, our view of the mountains doesn't include a water-bottling plant.

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I was referring more to the increasing technology and crowds found on the trail.

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[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

I was referring more to the increasing technology and crowds found on the trail.

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I thought we were supposed to "celebrate diversity"...

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

I thought we were supposed to "celebrate diversity"...

Not an issue with diversity, an issue with interpretation of use. The last two hikes I was on, people had portable speakers playing loudly BEHIND their backpacks. Grrr... Hike your own hike/navigate your own vessel, but without affecting others' experience negatively.

I don't know what impact this will have, if any, and I'm never looking for businesses to fail, so I'm hoping for the best!

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[joey2665]

Their facebook page says they are working on final touches and that was on May 8th. Also says there are more sneak peek photos on instagram but I do not have an account

[noreast]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Not an issue with diversity, an issue with interpretation of use. The last two hikes I was on, people had portable speakers playing loudly BEHIND their backpacks. Grrr... Hike your own hike/navigate your own vessel, but without affecting others' experience negatively.

I don't know what impact this will have, if any, and I'm never looking for businesses to fail, so I'm hoping for the best!

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Me too, Last time I hiked a mountain I was almost murdered by a group of hikers blasting music. Off course my opening line was "are you F-ing kidding me" so we didn't get off on the right foot. I know how dumb it is but I like to hike alone, become one with all that is.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by noreast

Me too, Last time I hiked a mountain I was almost murdered by a group of hikers blasting music. Off course my opening line was "are you F-ing kidding me" so we didn't get off on the right foot. I know how dumb it is but I like to hike alone, become one with all that is.

My theory has always been “eventually, all things outdoors that provide solitude and personal happiness will most likely be ruined by the masses”
I’ve found this true in all things outdoors, pretty much.

[Rattletrap]

What's this thing going to do when the wind starts whipping and the lake gets angry?

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

My theory has always been “eventually, all things outdoors that provide solitude and personal happiness will most likely be ruined my the masses”
I’ve found this true in all things outdoors, pretty much.

This is the most depressing thing I've seen in weeks.

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[kawishiwi]

I would think 3 years is the max for this. First year "everybody" will visit, say "that was cool" and likely not return. Add in 2 seasons of it being rented for summer lakeside weddings & such I think it winds up either sold to become on the water patio attached to an existing restaurant or its parked in someones field.

[rsmlp]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

I would think 3 years is the max for this. First year "everybody" will visit, say "that was cool" and likely not return. Add in 2 seasons of it being rented for summer lakeside weddings & such I think it winds up either sold to become on the water patio attached to an existing restaurant or its parked in someones field.

Nope. Maybe this year but that will be it. My wife wants to go but I'm captain of the boat and I disdain the idea. There's just something-irreverent about it...

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by rsmlp

Nope. Maybe this year but that will be it. My wife wants to go but I'm captain of the boat and I disdain the idea. There's just something-irreverent about it...

Sooner or later you'll be out boating and catch a whiff of grilled burger wafting over the waves, imagine a cold one to go with it, and you will buckle, once. 😎

[rsmlp]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

Sooner or later you'll be out boating and catch a whiff of grilled burger wafting over the waves, imagine a cold one to go with it, and you will buckle, once. 😎

Ha! Perchance you are right-especially if my wife is with me

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

My theory has always been “eventually, all things outdoors that provide solitude and personal happiness will most likely be ruined my the masses”
I’ve found this true in all things outdoors, pretty much.

Not trying to be a jerk, but, did it ever occur to you that they ("the masses") are saying the same thing about you, me, and everyone else? It's a two way street... I hate crowds too, but we must learn to live, and let live, and deal with it, or find another hobby. Maybe if we STOPPED the "masses" from coming into this country ILLEGALLY in the first place, there would be less of a "crowd" on the trails, lakes, Mtns, etc... Karma is a b****!!

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Did it ever occur to you that they ("the masses") are saying the same thing about you? It's a two way street... I hate crowds too, but we must learn to live, and let live, and deal with it, or find another hobby. Maybe if we STOPPED the "masses" from coming into this country ILLEGALLY in the first place, there would be less of a crowd on the trails, lakes, Mtns, etc... Karma is a b****!!

This is absurd.

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[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

This is absurd.

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Please explain to me exactly what is so absurd to you? Sometimes the truth hurts, denial is not just a river in Egypt...

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Please explain to me exactly what is so absurd to you? Sometimes the truth hurts, denial is not just a river in Egypt...

Your suggestion that the reason hiking trails are overcrowded because of illegal immigration is absurd and xenophobic.

I also take great offense to your repeated use of the "denial" line--there are few things worse than unoriginality and repetition.

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[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Your suggestion that the reason hiking trails are overcrowded because of illegal immigration is absurd and xenophobic.

I also take great offense to your repeated use of the "denial" line--there are few things worse than unoriginality and repetition.

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[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Your suggestion that the reason hiking trails are overcrowded because of illegal immigration is absurd and xenophobic.

I also take great offense to your repeated use of the "denial" line--there are few things worse than unoriginality and repetition.

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It is IMPOSSIBLE for me (or anyone for that matter), to be xenophobic because I/we do not support ILLEGAL immigration. That doesn't even make sense when we are referring to the laws of the land, it is just your way of (falsely) trying to "label" someone as a terrible person because you don't agree with them on something, and that is just wrong and says a lot about your credibility. It is a matter of breaking the law. We are a nation of laws and they MUST be obeyed or changed, NOT IGNORED. Based on your rationale, am I xenophobic because I am against rape and murder too?? Sounds pretty ridiculous, huh? I have no problem with anyone from anywhere coming into this country (LEGALLY) that wants to assimilate to the American dream and way of life!! IS THAT XENOPHOBIC??? The only thing worse than being unoriginal and repetitive is trying to be pretentious. If that offends you, I suggest a coloring book to help you get over it. Not trying to hijack this thread, I am all for the Dive, and wish it success even though it's not my "cup of tea". I am all for capitalism. Live, and let live. (Ooops, I repeated myself.) If I see it during my travels, I will definitely check it out if it's not to crowded, if for no other reason than to just be able to say I was on it. Maybe we will start seeing bumper stickers out there that say "I did the Dive", or "Do the Dive", or something to that effect that only knowledgeable Winnipesaukee boaters will recognize...!!

[ursa minor]

Hey Cal, there must be 10,000 sites on the web where you can post and discuss political opinions; this isn't one of them. You're relatively new to the site, please enjoy it and contribute with your experiences here at the Lake. Thanks!

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by ursa minor

Hey Cal, there must be 10,000 sites on the web where you can post and discuss political opinions; this isn't one of them. You're relatively new to the site, please enjoy it and contribute with your experiences here at the Lake. Thanks!

No worries, I'm all done with this forum. To many snowflakes... Go Trump!!

[noreast]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

No worries, I'm all done with this forum. To many snowflakes... Go Trump!!

Just one more, Lately your side has all the snowflakes falling out of the sky. Move to Russia, good riddance.

[noreast]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

It is IMPOSSIBLE for me (or anyone for that matter), to be xenophobic because I/we do not support ILLEGAL immigration. That doesn't even make sense when we are referring to the laws of the land, it is just your way of (falsely) trying to "label" someone as a terrible person because you don't agree with them on something, and that is just wrong and says a lot about your credibility. It is a matter of breaking the law. We are a nation of laws and they MUST be obeyed or changed, NOT IGNORED. Based on your rationale, am I xenophobic because I am against rape and murder too?? Sounds pretty ridiculous, huh? I have no problem with anyone from anywhere coming into this country (LEGALLY) that wants to assimilate to the American dream and way of life!! IS THAT XENOPHOBIC??? The only thing worse than being unoriginal and repetitive is trying to be pretentious. If that offends you, I suggest a coloring book to help you get over it. Not trying to hijack this thread, I am all for the Dive, and wish it success even though it's not my "cup of tea". I am all for capitalism. Live, and let live. (Ooops, I repeated myself.) If I see it during my travels, I will definitely check it out if it's not to crowded, if for no other reason than to just be able to say I was on it. Maybe we will start seeing bumper stickers out there that say "I did the Dive", or "Do the Dive", or something to that effect that only knowledgeable Winnipesaukee boaters will recognize...!!

I believe the point was how incredibly stupid your comment was in context to hiking and other outdoor activities, I've been hiking hundreds of times and, Though I can't be sure, have never come across a group of illegals in my travels. You throwing that out there just shows that it's right on your mind, so the shoe probably fits in this case. Just to save you from more dumb comments, I've never voted for a national democrat, meaning president, senate or congress. I try not to vote for republicans either but sometimes I don't have much choice.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Not trying to be a jerk, but, did it ever occur to you that they ("the masses") are saying the same thing about you, me, and everyone else? It's a two way street... I hate crowds too, but we must learn to live, and let live, and deal with it, or find another hobby. Maybe if we STOPPED the "masses" from coming into this country ILLEGALLY in the first place, there would be less of a "crowd" on the trails, lakes, Mtns, etc... Karma is a b****!!

Not at all...I avoid the “masses” at all costs. They’ve already ruined most places. I have learned the secret of how to avoid them and I ain’t sharing.
(But it really is simple)

[Sinclair]

From their website (http://thedive-nh.com/gallery/) it does look real but early stage. Not sure if it will be ready this season.

As a layperson it's hard for me to tell, but it appears they will need to comply with standard restaurant permitting requirements and standard boat permitting requirements, but nothing that is specific to the intersection of restaurants and boating.


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[smith point boater]

https://www.facebook.com/thedivelakewinni/

They have a Facebook page. Will be interesting to see if it happens

[codeman671]

I saw an ad this morning that they are looking for a chef for this season, so it seems that it is moving along and will be a reality soon.

[Poor Richard]

That kitchen exhaust will eventually be dripping food product into the lake.


Other than that, seems like a perfect place for the city dwellers to have their city fix while they're away at the lake for the weekend.

[Dblblkdiam]

If some recall, there was something similar on the lake years ago. I want to say around the late 90's. Wish I had a picture of it. Was basically a two level floating barge that people could charter. Not sure what ever happened to it, whether it was lack of business or something else.

Wish these folks good luck in their new business.

[Rusty]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
I hope it works for them and I wish them luck.

[Seaplane Pilot]

We might as well start with the negative food reviews now....why wait?

I wish them success!

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

We might as well start with the negative food reviews now....why wait?

I wish them success!

I was thinking noise complaints.

Same on the success portion.

[SIKSUKR]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

We might as well start with the negative food reviews now....why wait?

I wish them success!

Agree. That Shades of Maui operation though years ago was fantastic.

[Taz]

Its not a raft if you are the only boat tied to "The Dive". A raft is 3 or more boats tied together.

[noreast]

Originally Posted by Taz

Its not a raft if you are the only boat tied to "The Dive". A raft is 3 or more boats tied together.

Right, but doesn't being in a no rafting zone prohibit boats anchoring within a certain footage? I generally don't do sand bars so I really don't know.

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by noreast

Right, but doesn't being in a no rafting zone prohibit boats anchoring within a certain footage? I generally don't do sand bars so I really don't know.

25 ft between single boats anchored in a NRZ. 50 ft between 2 boats tied together and outer boats anchored in the NRZ.

Dave

[tis]

Originally Posted by upthesaukee

25 ft between single boats anchored in a NRZ. 50 ft between 2 boats tied together and outer boats anchored in the NRZ.

Dave

And 150 feet from shore in most of the rafting areas. Braun Bay is 75 I believe.

[ITD]

That went down hill quickly...….. back to the OP, I wonder how the liquor permit works?

[jbolty]

One thing for sure, there is a lot of buzz and free advertising going on.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by ITD

That went down hill quickly...….. back to the OP, I wonder how the liquor permit works?

They will most likely only be able to sell liquor to passengers, they won't be able to sell it "to go".

[gravy boat]

Originally Posted by Dblblkdiam

If some recall, there was something similar on the lake years ago. I want to say around the late 90's. Wish I had a picture of it. Was basically a two level floating barge that people could charter. Not sure what ever happened to it, whether it was lack of business or something else.

Wish these folks good luck in their new business.

Yes, it was a party barge. Good idea but the person who built it didn't understand or research the potential challenges - permitting, inspections, liquor license, where to park it during off-hours, etc. At first he wanted to dock it at the Weirs like the old Aishling from Patrick's did but I recall the Weirs Action Committee and City put an end to that option pretty fast.

I think it only lasted a few summers before languishing in the cove on Stonedam and then being taken apart. But the first summer or two seemed busy for it.

Was quite the sight, too - not something we are used to seeing.

[Sinclair]

Originally Posted by gravy boat

Yes, it was a party barge. Good idea but the person who built it didn't understand or research the potential challenges - permitting, inspections, liquor license, where to park it during off-hours, etc. At first he wanted to dock it at the Weirs like the old Aishling from Patrick's did but I recall the Weirs Action Committee and City put an end to that option pretty fast.



I think it only lasted a few summers before languishing in the cove on Stonedam and then being taken apart. But the first summer or two seemed busy for it.



Was quite the sight, too - not something we are used to seeing.

One of the partners, Jamie, has a credible background according to his bio. He worked in marine construction and also managed a bar. Hopefully he will have done his research.

The branding does feel more Monte Carlo than Winnipesaukee. But perhaps it's one of those things, once it's been there for awhile it feels like it's always been there.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Sinclair

One of the partners, Jamie, has a credible background according to his bio. He worked in marine construction and also managed a bar. Hopefully he will have done his research.

The branding does feel more Monte Carlo than Winnipesaukee. But perhaps it's one of those things, once it's been there for awhile it feels like it's always been there.

Like the Winnipesaukee Belle?

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

I was thinking noise complaints. Same on the success portion.

My neighbors cheer the Winnipesaukee Belle, as it blasts "Mack the Knife" on its speakers.

As for "xenophobic", we never hear of its antonym, xenophilic.

Maybe because the Huron tribe was xenophilic?
xttps://indiangivers.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/huron-extinction/

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[tis]

I think a lot of people will like it for weddings and parties. I don't know about the rest.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by tis

I think a lot of people will like it for weddings and parties. I don't know about the rest.

Hi Tis;

I agree with you but I think the Winni Belle has those types of venues pretty well taken care of, not to mention the Mount. The Winni Belle does a good job through the Wolfeboro Inn. Maybe there is room for another??....not sure, I guess time will tell.

I am very curious where they will be docking at however!

Dan

[tis]

Hi I. I agree with you. The Winni Belle does seem to have it covered. They seem to be quite busy but they are mostly on this side of the lake so I was thinking maybe this new one will do quite well if they serve both sides of the lake. And though I haven't checked I assume the Mount is more expensive, but maybe not. You are right, time will tell.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by tis

Hi I. I agree with you. The Winni Belle does seem to have it covered. They seem to be quite busy but they are mostly on this side of the lake so I was thinking maybe this new one will do quite well if they serve both sides of the lake. And though I haven't checked I assume the Mount is more expensive, but maybe not. You are right, time will tell.

Location definitely matters, but what about style? The other vessels noted are classic, whereas this is a box. Maybe that's one of my prejudices...

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[Sinclair]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Location definitely matters, but what about style? The other vessels noted are classic, whereas this is a box. Maybe that's one of my prejudices...

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Agreed. It seems discordant with the lake that way.

[LIforrelaxin]

Interesting thread... and interesting business venture.

First I wish the business the best, and hope the kind find away to make it work.

If they can find a place to operate while tied to shore I am sure they will do fine. If they can't then they will have a very short season....

[tis]

I don't know, think. I like the classic look too but maybe it's like houses. Some people like modern house styles and some like colonial etc.

[The Real BigGuy]

I wouldn’t worry about wind and waves too much. One of the lake construction co’s has a 60 ft barge powered by twin 250’s. He manages to maneuver in most summer weather conditions with a 15 ton excavator, skid steer, and a load of sand or gravel. That being said, don’t think you’ll see me at “The Dive” in high wind/high wave conditions. I wish them well though.


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[ApS]

As to "doing-business", isn't there a long sandbar off West Alton? If that's the case, family-boaters would leave Braun Bay to "those others".

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

I wouldn’t worry about wind and waves too much. One of the lake construction co’s has a 60 ft barge powered by twin 250’s. He manages to maneuver in most summer weather conditions with a 15 ton excavator, skid steer, and a load of sand or gravel. That being said, don’t think you’ll see me at “The Dive” in high wind/high wave conditions. I wish them well though.

One barge overturned here in 2004, and another barge tipped a Bobcat into the lake recently—neither barge had a second story.

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...read.php?t=627
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...read.php?t=647

Barges have an advantage of sheer "mass" and less windage aloft. They can navigate against a shoreline at a favored "haunt", drop their corner docking posts and ride-out most any weather. ("Favored haunt" meaning, shorelines where they'd been a familiar sight—or Johnson's Cove, where three barges have been seen sheltered at the same time, including overnights).

If a cell (or microburst) should come across the lake, The Dive can also run aground, even allowing water to flood into its hulls—to be pumped out later. That is, if the "cell" can be seen in time for such countermeasures. (In my own experience, about five minutes is all the time you've got).

"Flooding" barge hulls can also be inadvertent!

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by ApS

As to "doing-business", isn't there a long sandbar off West Alton? If that's the case, family-boaters would leave Braun Bay to "those others".

One barge overturned here in 2004, and another barge tipped a Bobcat into the lake recently—neither barge had a second story.

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...read.php?t=627

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...read.php?t=647

Barges have an advantage of sheer "mass" and less windage aloft. They can navigate against a shoreline at a favored "haunt", drop their corner docking posts and ride-out most any weather. ("Favored haunt" meaning, shorelines where they'd been a familiar sight—or Johnson's Cove, where three barges have been seen sheltered at the same time, including overnights).

If a cell (or microburst) should come across the lake, The Dive can also run aground, even allowing water to flood into its hulls—to be pumped out later. That is, if the "cell" can be seen in time for such countermeasures. (In my own experience, about five minutes is all the time you've got).

"Flooding" barge hulls can also be inadvertent!

Yup, bad things can happen in bad weather and all boats can take on water unexpectedly. All the things you mentioned could happen, and the can happen to any boat on the lake, large or small. Maybe we should all wait for The Dive to go thru the build, permitting, and inspection process to see what comes out of it. It seems to me that we all spend far to much time trying to find the down side rather than imagining the good. Human nature I guess!


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[jbolty]

Think positive.

If they have not already thought of it doing it a charter for fireworks viewing would be pretty great,

[gravy boat]

Anybody know where it will call its home base? I assume it has to be docked somewhere and call it home. Will it take on passengers at its home location? Will there be parking for groups?
if it has a wedding or a party in Gilford or Laconia will it be able to dock at the Glendale docks or Wiers for 1/2 hour to pick up the group? Where will members of the group park?
Will it require town or state permission as a commercial vessel to retrieve passengers from Glendale, Weirs, Meredith docks?
When it does not have a charter will it be at Braun or another popular gathering spot for the entire day or ride from spot to spot? May take a while to get from one spot to another.
While it will sell alcohol I believe the laws require the beverages to be consumed on the premises. While the novelty is great, how many times will people spend $10+for a drink before just staying in their own boat at the sandbar and mixing their own much cheaper cocktail?

Not trying to be negative but this has been tried before and the above were not ironed out beforehand. Hopefully it does wel!

[rsmlp]

Haven't seen it and if it's not out now it never will be. Crazy busy on the lake the last two days...

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by gravy boat

Anybody know where it will call its home base? I assume it has to be docked somewhere and call it home. Will it take on passengers at its home location? Will there be parking for groups?

if it has a wedding or a party in Gilford or Laconia will it be able to dock at the Glendale docks or Wiers for 1/2 hour to pick up the group? Where will members of the group park?

Will it require town or state permission as a commercial vessel to retrieve passengers from Glendale, Weirs, Meredith docks?

When it does not have a charter will it be at Braun or another popular gathering spot for the entire day or ride from spot to spot? May take a while to get from one spot to another.

While it will sell alcohol I believe the laws require the beverages to be consumed on the premises. While the novelty is great, how many times will people spend $10+for a drink before just staying in their own boat at the sandbar and mixing their own much cheaper cocktail?



Not trying to be negative but this has been tried before and the above were not ironed out beforehand. Hopefully it does wel!

All good questions I suggest you post them
on their Facebook page and hopefully you’ll get your answers


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[NH4me]

Loons, rumbling boat motors, kids shrieking as they enjoy the water . . . all of those are enjoyable sounds. TVs and loud music would totally ruin the ambiance of the lake for me if I lived either on shore or on an island close to where the Dive could be anchored. Comparisons were made to the Winnipesaukee Belle, but when the Belle cruises by, the lights and music are fleeting. That makes it fun to see - maybe not so if someone were subjected to it for hours. Hope all of the pros and cons have been considered . . .

[Hillcountry]

I think, perhaps, besides making all the permit requirements, the driving factor is pursuance of the almighty dollar...noise pollution is probably low on the consideration list...
There is a cross section of the lake populous that will love it, however.
To each his own.

[GBGX2]

https://www.facebook.com/thedivelake...555340/?type=3

[GBGX2]

Originally Posted by GBGX2

https://www.facebook.com/thedivelake...555340/?type=3

Very good news! We are so close to opening and we are hiring for all positions. If anyone is interested in summer work please pm us!

[rsmlp]

Originally Posted by GBGX2

Very good news! We are so close to opening and we are hiring for all positions. If anyone is interested in summer work please pm us!

Better late than never but you just missed the busiest week I have seen in 20 years on the lake...

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by rsmlp

Better late than never but you just missed the busiest week I have seen in 20 years on the lake...

Yeah...summer's over...everybody go home please!

[kawishiwi]

... a damned good burger. A bacon cheeseburger & fries for $18.25 including tax? Drink NOT included. There is just no way people will pay that twice. Maybe once, maybe.

[TheVoiceOfReason]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

... a damned good burger. A bacon cheeseburger & fries for $18.25 including tax? Drink NOT included. There is just no way people will pay that twice. Maybe once, maybe.

I think you're underestimating the amount of $$$ on the lake these days. If you look at it as $13 for the burger and fries and $5 for the convenience fee to have them bring it to you by boat it's actually not all that bad.

[fatlazyless]

..... probably cost maybe $400 to get the 2018 boat registration sticker from the NH-MP for this motorized vessel, aka a boat, so the money has to come from somewhere to offset the expenses ..... as long as it's a business and not just someone's hobby boat?

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Yup, bad things can happen in bad weather and all boats can take on water unexpectedly. All the things you mentioned could happen, and the can happen to any boat on the lake, large or small. Maybe we should all wait for The Dive to go thru the build, permitting, and inspection process to see what comes out of it. It seems to me that we all spend far to much time trying to find the down side rather than imagining the good. Human nature I guess!


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Many of the questions are arising from the photos posted on their website and are legitimate questions based on the vessels design. I truly hope that is a safe design and a successful business as I think I would use their services on occasions instead of waiting for a slip to open at a town dock or in line for a table at one of the lakeside establishments

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Yup, bad things can happen in bad weather and all boats can take on water unexpectedly. All the things you mentioned could happen, and the can happen to any boat on the lake, large or small. Maybe we should all wait for The Dive to go thru the build, permitting, and inspection process to see what comes out of it. It seems to me that we all spend far to much time trying to find the down side rather than imagining the good. Human nature I guess!


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I was thinking exactly this!

I would imagine the "owners" have already considered all of these factors and likely have vetted the permitting process prior to spending $100's of thousands of dollars building it.

With all of the chatter on this site about finding places to eat near various docks, I am surprised at the responses to this thread that are less than favorable.

[TiltonBB]

If they anchor in a "No Rafting" area can you pull up to it and tie up while they cook your burger?

Can you order by phone and do a "touch and go" in a No Rafting zone when your food is ready?

Just askin'

[ApS]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Yup, bad things can happen in bad weather and all boats can take on water unexpectedly. All the things you mentioned could happen, and the can happen to any boat on the lake, large or small. Maybe we should all wait for The Dive to go thru the build, permitting, and inspection process to see what comes out of it. It seems to me that we all spend far to much time trying to find the down side rather than imagining the good. Human nature I guess!

I think you misunderstood. The Dive appears to be designed above a barge basis. It has steel supports to the floor above. Operating in shallow water—if subjected to a microburst—it has the distinct advantage of being run aground intentionally. Intentional flooding would help to anchor it. If it were my design, I'd add hydraulic outboard "jack plates".

Seeing Winnipesaukee's construction barges operating every day, I've noticed they don't go out in heavy wind conditions. (Having witnessed a microburst while holding my boat in knee-deep, but sheltered, water—neither do I ). Although I haven't made a correlation (yet) with bad weather; sometimes, they'll come to a complete stop for many minutes—then turn around to return to their base in Johnson's Cove.

By contrast, the Winnipesaukee Belle has a flat bottom, but isn't a design like The Dive. (It doesn't power its side-paddles, as they're ornamentation). I've never seen it navigate in a straight line, as it is subject to random yawing.

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[WINNOCTURN]

The Dive???

Did it ever set sail?

No other Posts since late MAY???

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by WINNOCTURN

The Dive???

Did it ever set sail?

No other Posts since late MAY???

They did some shakedown cruising and are waiting for state booze license I think...

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by WINNOCTURN

The Dive???



Did it ever set sail?



No other Posts since late MAY???

I posted a link above from a Facebook group with photos.

[GBGX2]

Originally Posted by WINNOCTURN

The Dive???

Did it ever set sail?

No other Posts since late MAY???

Winnocturn, they are posting on Facebook constantly:

https://m.facebook.com/thedivelakewinni/

[GBGX2]

https://www.facebook.com/16544150545...7583341278822/

[jbolty]

None of us have a clue but it's still fun to speculate. Some if it might even turn out to be correct.


I have to think they will sort of follow the food truck model. Announce on twitter they will be here, here and here at these times. They are not making money while driving around and since they will need to sort of keep to a schedule flagging them down for a burger mid lake seems unlikely; they would never get where they are going otherwise.

[The Real BigGuy]

You bring up a good point. I wonder if they will be able to anchor in, say Merideth Bay, and do business. Bet that would tick off the restaurants and I cream parlors. I also wonder if they will be able run a launch to move people back and forth from town docks.


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[Phantom]

That would be bloody PERFECT !

Drop the wife off at the town docks (where you can never get a slip anyway) let her go shopping while I mozy over to the Dive !

Priceless

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[The Real BigGuy]

Diversified Marine’s barge has a similar setup. Dave Farley maneuvers it like a sports car.


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[Sinclair]

Unfortunately it looks like they won't be launching imminently. Their Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/thedivelakewinni/) shows a video from two weeks ago which makes it look like they have a lot to do.

I guess mid-August.

What do you think?

[joey2665]

I agree, if they were just welding the stairs two week ago I would say a minimum of August 1st if they get moving.

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by Sinclair

Unfortunately it looks like they won't be launching imminently. Their Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/thedivelakewinni/) shows a video from two weeks ago which makes it look like they have a lot to do.

I guess mid-August.

What do you think?

I guess next year, or at best, a short trial run this year. It's going to take some time to staff up and train as well. It is (obviously?) a very seasonal thing, what kind of help are you going to be able to hire in August for what would then be an ~4 week "season"?

Something like this needs to be able to do its "shakedown cruise" by May 1st to be fully operational to capture the seasonal revenue, IMO.

[Descant]

I get the impression from their website that they have a chef lined up and for larger events they have a group of caterers/vendors lined up. Many DJ's and Bands are available, so there isn't a lot of training/hiring needed as I see it. The business issue is working capital from Columbus Day to My 1, 2019 when there may be no revenue. It is possible, depending on home port, to heat the interior spaces and operate without actually cruising. If they have AC, they probably have heat, yes?

[Poor Richard]

I was at WAM over the weekend and took a morning stroll with my daughter around the property. We meandered over to see the progress at The Dive and I was surprised at the considerable amount of work still to be completed.

Even with my curiosity meter pegging at 12, we did not board the vessel however I'd estimate there is a solid month's worth of work for a crew of 8+.

While this establishment isn't necessarily up my alley, I hope the owners at least get their maiden voyage in this season.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Poor Richard

I was at WAM over the weekend and took a morning stroll with my daughter around the property. We meandered over to see the progress at The Dive and I was surprised at the considerable amount of work still to be completed.



Even with my curiosity meter pegging at 12, we did not board the vessel however I'd estimate there is a solid month's worth of work for a crew of 8+.



While this establishment isn't necessarily up my alley, I hope the owners at least get their maiden voyage in this season.

Thanks for the update and photos. Awesome!!


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[strum]

Doesn t look like much finish work has been done?

Long way to go!!

[kawishiwi]

This looks like its on track to be the fanciest bob house on the lake. Anchor over a winter hotspot, let it freeze in place, drill a series of 6" to 8" holes & rent jiggin poles. Serve hot chocolate....

I am speeding up my 3 year estimate of its sale to a shorefront restaurant to that happening within a year.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by Poor Richard

I was at WAM over the weekend and took a morning stroll with my daughter around the property. We meandered over to see the progress at The Dive and I was surprised at the considerable amount of work still to be completed.

Even with my curiosity meter pegging at 12, we did not board the vessel however I'd estimate there is a solid month's worth of work for a crew of 8+.

While this establishment isn't necessarily up my alley, I hope the owners at least get their maiden voyage in this season.

Thanks for the updated pictures. I have a feeling we will likely not see the dive out and about this year. While they may have secured help and a chef with ambitious hopes. Getting through all the regulatory issues, permitting etc. generally takes longer then planned. In fact it sinks many business every year. They also may have run into funding issues, investors pulling out etc. When things didn't happen as planned.

Bottom line is pulling off a venture like this is no small task. There is heart and soul being put into this venture I am sure. But heart and soul don't by much in the business world.

I hope that these people are able to succeed. I think it would be a neat business on the lake.... Although not to this scale, we have seen similar businesses tried to take advantage of the Party spots, by providing food over the years. This venture will show if scale was the issue in the past, or if there just isn't a workable model that will succeed.

Now I don't mean to imply past attempts have failed financially. What I am implying is that past attempts have not been successful enough to warrant continued service.

[Descant]

I think the solid money is in weddings and events, not selling hot dogs on sand bars. If they get out on the water in 2018 with a few ticketed events, bands etc. they will book big events for 2019 and be very successful. In the meantime, as mentioned above, if there is a homeport where they can just be a dockside night club in the fall, there can be some good cash flow and add to interest for 2019 event bookings. Tied to the right dock for Bike Week 2019 could be a great money maker, if they aren't already wedding/event booked. I see a lot of options here just because people want some thing unique.

[ITD]

Am I the only one who looks at that and has visions of it capsized with a load of people in it? I'm wondering if stability tests are required for it?