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Old 06-27-2019, 07:52 AM   #201
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I agree with almost everything you just said except one thing...I usually want to go where there are NO other people...
Me too, but I think we are unusual that way... My points are from a tourism business development point of view.
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Yes by all means. Let's bring NY to NH. Didn't we have a discussion about this?
Do you have any experience boating in NY?
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Yes by all means. Let's bring NY to NH. Didn't we have a discussion about this?
Really?, I think your taking this to an extreme.

This is the issue, everyone equates NY to NYC which is not the case at all and just like any state they do some things well and other things not so well.

In this situation DaveR and I are just suggesting the NY has a better handle on how to get the most out of their town dock facilities for themselves and the local businesses and I has worked very well for many years.

NOTE: Non of their town docks are within the border of NYC or its 5 boroughs they are on the lakes and rivers upstate and at state and federal parks on Long Island.
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Meredith and Wolfeboro could be raking in big bucks all the time. Alton, Center Harbor and Weirs Beach could fill their docks with overnight boaters that pay a reasonable transient fee and spend a lot of money at local businesses. Imagine the bar bills people would rack up if they did not have to pilot their boat back to their dock in the dark. Additionally, imagine the breakfast joint revenues the next day... I think we can all agree that areas that have a few thriving restaurants typically also have thriving retail and hospitality establishments. People want to go where other people go.
Dave - I also agree with 99% of your post -- however note that spending the night at a town dock I believe falls under the State Regulations ?????
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Dave - I also agree with 99% of your post -- however note that spending the night at a town dock I believe falls under the State Regulations ?????
I don't think so, the state only prohibits overnight anchoring on inland waters. Docks basically the only place you can overnight legally. The dock owner determines the allowable uses.
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Yup, most towns in NY have a great plan for public dock use and it's a fantastic state for recreational boating because of it. The popular towns charge for a stay and the less popular towns don't charge and often have incentives (free shore-power, bathrooms/showers, laundry facilities, shuttle buses etc.) to encourage people to stop and tie up (and spend money locally). It's simple supply and demand and based on extensive cruising there, I can say it works quite well. The warm and welcoming atmosphere I have experienced in NY waterfront towns is exactly opposite of what I experience here in NH. We could do so much better...

Meredith and Wolfeboro could be raking in big bucks all the time. Alton, Center Harbor and Weirs Beach could fill their docks with overnight boaters that pay a reasonable transient fee and spend a lot of money at local businesses. Imagine the bar bills people would rack up if they did not have to pilot their boat back to their dock in the dark. Additionally, imagine the breakfast joint revenues the next day... I think we can all agree that areas that have a few thriving restaurants typically also have thriving retail and hospitality establishments. People want to go where other people go.

One other thing that could really help with crowded town docks is to allow rafting where there's space for it. That's pretty normal outside NH too... It's crazy that with all the space between docks in Meredith that they don't allow rafting there; it's ideal for it. A Dockmaster could even offer discounts to incentivize people to allow rafting to their boat.
Reads like plan to make the docks a miserable, unavailable place for local residents. Thanks goodness our policy makers know that maximizing dock and breakfast(!) revenues is NOT our ultimate goal
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If the rule is 3 hour docking that means everybody !
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.......golleeeeeee....... a couple years back, I actually found a ten dollar bill float'n in the water about four feet off the town dock, there ..... with all these big money boats dock'n up to go hit the local restaurants ...... am look'n to find a HUNDRED DOLLAR BILL float'n ..... sink'n ..... in the water there....yahhooooooo!
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Reads like plan to make the docks a miserable, unavailable place for local residents. Thanks goodness our policy makers know that maximizing dock and breakfast(!) revenues is NOT our ultimate goal
So if public docks in Wolfeboro, Center Harbor, Alton Bay, Weirs Beach, and Meredith weren't installed to attract customers in boats to local businesses, why were they installed?
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.......golleeeeeee....... a couple years back, I actually found a ten dollar bill float'n in the water about four feet off the town dock, there ..... with all these big money boats dock'n up to go hit the local restaurants ...... am look'n to find a HUNDRED DOLLAR BILL float'n ..... sink'n ..... in the water there....yahhooooooo!
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Reads like plan to make the docks a miserable, unavailable place for local residents. Thanks goodness our policy makers know that maximizing dock and breakfast(!) revenues is NOT our ultimate goal
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A buddy of mine that has his 59' boat docked in Mystic Conn. told me that when he leaves his rented dock space he has to let the dock master know when he's going to return because they rent it out while he's gone.

If he comes back early and his space is occupied and they don't have some place for him to tie up he's out of luck. He has to stay a sea until a space opens up.

It's ridiculous that they can rent out his space while he's gone and he gets nothing out of it. What a sham!
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A buddy of mine that has his 59' boat docked in Mystic Conn. told me that when he leaves his rented dock space he has to let the dock master know when he's going to return because they rent it out while he's gone.

If he comes back early and his space is occupied and they don't have some place for him to tie up he's out of luck. He has to stay a sea until a space opens up.

It's ridiculous that they can rent out his space while he's gone and he gets nothing out of it. What a sham!
That's normal and part of the contract at most marinas. It's how transient slips become available.
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It's ridiculous that they can rent out his space while he's gone and he gets nothing out of it. What a sham!
Big -- I think it probably cuts BOTH ways ….. It clearly had to be a condition of Rental ( that he is aware of) but probably also positively impacts his Slip Rental cost...……….. that would be "what he get's out of it.
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So if public docks in Wolfeboro, Center Harbor, Alton Bay, Weirs Beach, and Meredith weren't installed to attract customers in boats to local businesses, why were they installed?
Nothing wrong with public docks and nothing wrong with attracting business. It's the money above all else ethic of your post that is wrong.

We don't want our docks to be be campgrounds or RV parks, we want them to be docks.
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Nothing wrong with public docks and nothing wrong with attracting business. It's the money above all else ethic of your post that is wrong.

We don't want our docks to be be campgrounds or RV parks, we want them to be docks.
I never advocated for RVs or camping at the docks, just boats.

Anway, I'll be on my boat this weekend, likely making an overnight stay at a dock away from my home slip and exploring a lovely waterfront town with a welcoming atmosphere. I'm sure it will be just awful. Enjoy your day trips!
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Anyway, I'll be on my boat this weekend, likely making an overnight stay at a dock away from my home slip and exploring a lovely waterfront town with a welcoming atmosphere. I'm sure it will be just awful. Enjoy your day trips!
Now that's what the manufacturers had in mind when they developed all those "Cruisers" (big & small) …………. to be used to TRAVEL in -
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why were they installed?
We know why they were installed, but the planners were not counting on the run-away sizes of today's boats.
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My family used to stay overnight at Weirs, Wolfeboro, etc. The towns encouraged cabin cruisers, not because we did a lot of spending, but because the larger boats were a tourist attraction.
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We know why they were installed, but the planners were not counting on the run-away sizes of today's boats.
Back in the 70's when I was a kid, my uncle had a camp on a small lake in the lakes region, and he had a 17' Penn Yan with a 120hp 4cyl mercruiser in it, and at the time it was the fastest boat on the lake!! It's "nickname" was "the Pig" because of all the fuel it used!!! A friend of theirs on the other side of the lake, then bought a 16 or 17' Glastron/Carlson with a 125hp Johnson o/b 2 stroke motor that then became the fastest boat on the lake...!!! "The pig" just couldn't keep up with that 2 stroke!!! My how things have changed...
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The police officer on duty at the Glendale docks does a fine job keeping things running smoothly. They even accept UPS/FedEx. A great model for other towns /public docks.

It's "FREE"! The government pays for it. LOL
From what I’ve been told by one of the two gentleman that works there, they are volunteers. There is a woman who works there to cover the evenings when there are concerts at Meadowbrooks so non-islanders don’t dock at the islanders’ docks.


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I saw as I passed between Eagle and Governor’s the other day that the 54’ yacht is now docked at the owner’s residence! Looks great there and really does not appear to be “too big” for Winni.
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Seems someone has their docking space at Silver Sands.

Perhaps the plan all aling once they squared away the dock at the house.
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I saw as I passed between Eagle and Governor’s the other day that the 54’ yacht is now docked at the owner’s residence! Looks great there and really does not appear to be “too big” for Winni.
It is 56 Feet
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I saw as I passed between Eagle and Governor’s the other day that the 54’ yacht is now docked at the owner’s residence! Looks great there and really does not appear to be “too big” for Winni.
I, too, saw it docked and I just rolled my eyes. That whole scene of a mammoth house and giant boat is not what I am looking for when I come here. Personally, I think both are way too big. The boat especially...

That said, he, and everyone else, is free to spend their money however they like.
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It is 56 Feet
It is 52' LWL.
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It is 52' LWL.
That is not correct. Sorry, it is 56 feet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJhN8bQNhms
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That is not correct. Sorry, it is 56 feet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJhN8bQNhms
Skimmed through that video, didn't catch where he mentioned LWL, do you have a link to the time where the waterline length was discussed?
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Skimmed through that video, didn't catch where he mentioned LWL, do you have a link to the time where the waterline length was discussed?
Length overall [ft] 58’1”
Beam overall [ft] 15’7”
Draft max. [ft] 4’7’’
Mass of Light Craft Condition [lbs] 53462
Engine (-s) power [HP] 2 x 725

Are you really that concerned about LWL? That would mean that almost every one of us is running a boat shorter than we claim it is.

Is there a point that you are trying to make?
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Length overall [ft] 58’1”
Beam overall [ft] 15’7”
Draft max. [ft] 4’7’’
Mass of Light Craft Condition [lbs] 53462
Engine (-s) power [HP] 2 x 725

Are you really that concerned about LWL? That would mean that almost every one of us is running a boat shorter than we claim it is.

Is there a point that you are trying to make?
I thought we were all just quoting random specs about this boat

Actually, I just found it humorous with people arguing over minor details about the boat like it's some kind of religious vessel.
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Actually, I just found it humorous with people arguing over minor details about the boat like it's some kind of religious vessel.
Noah’s ark??
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Length overall [ft] 58’1”
Beam overall [ft] 15’7”
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Mass of Light Craft Condition [lbs] 53462
Engine (-s) power [HP] 2 x 725

Are you really that concerned about LWL? That would mean that almost every one of us is running a boat shorter than we claim it is.

Is there a point that you are trying to make?
Size does matter, so I hear? Personally I think my waistline is plenty big...
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Qualms?

Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend.
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Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend.
Well, times have changed! You should be grateful that you got 35 years out of a dock. A few years ago I rebuilt one of my docks and made it 10 inches higher in the process so that water and waves would not affect it.

I don't know if you noticed but they now build boats (in a size you might approve of) that make a big wake intentionally just so people can surf on it.

As time marches on and we get a little older we have to adjust to many changes happening around us. Some we will like some we won't.

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Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend.
Looking at that pic makes me think you are lucky to have survived. It looks like upwards of a gallon of water and possibly an ounce or two of pine needles nearly overwhelmed a few spiders on you dock. #tsunami2019 #savethedockspiders
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Looking at that pic makes me think you are lucky to have survived. It looks like upwards of a gallon of water and possibly an ounce or two of pine needles nearly overwhelmed a few spiders on you dock. #tsunami2019 #savethedockspiders


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Looking at that pic makes me think you are lucky to have survived. It looks like upwards of a gallon of water and possibly an ounce or two of pine needles nearly overwhelmed a few spiders on you dock. #tsunami2019 #savethedockspiders
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Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend.
Could be climate change... Maybe the lake levels are rising along with the ocean levels???
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Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend.

I keep saying bite your tongue..keep quiet...don’t respond...

But seriously?
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Yeah, apparently it must of been a sloooooooow day for the "things to complain about" dept...
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Looking at that pic makes me think you are lucky to have survived. It looks like upwards of a gallon of water and possibly an ounce or two of pine needles nearly overwhelmed a few spiders on you dock. #tsunami2019 #savethedockspiders
This dock, built in a protected cove of Lake Winnipesaukee, has seen many recent soakings, but always near the shoreline, where the size of breaking wakes rapidly increase.

If I'd built on the Broads, I'd have longer pilings put underneath—and a breakwater—which is not permitted here on a deep and a "protected" shoreline. Since 1984, moorings and boatlifts have sprung up in Winter Harbor like mushrooms in July, so the problem of oversized boats isn't being overlooked.

Ocean-racers and "liveaboard" cruisers aren't so much of a problem on oceans.

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lets not forget about the water damage, these things were not built to get wet.
Good point! Most here hadn't thought to look beyond the obvious.

In 1984, the builders didn't think to use PT for the 6"x8" cross-members, so I've had to replace three of them myself—most recently last summer.

As it happened, a 6"x8" cross-member floated-by last spring. Although twice as long as needed, I snagged it, and chain-sawed it to fit.
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This dock, built in a protected cove of Lake Winnipesaukee, has seen many recent soakings, but always near the shoreline, where the size of breaking wakes rapidly increase.

If I'd built on the Broads, I'd have longer pilings put underneath—and a breakwater—which is not permitted here on a deep and a "protected" shoreline. Since 1984, moorings and boatlifts have sprung up in Winter Harbor like mushrooms in July, so the problem of oversized boats isn't being overlooked.

Ocean-racers and "liveaboard" cruisers aren't so much of a problem on oceans.


Good point! Most here hadn't thought to look beyond the obvious.

In 1984, the builders didn't think to use PT for the 6"x8" cross-members, so I've had to replace three of them myself—most recently last summer.

As it happened, a 6"x8" cross-member floated-by last spring. Although twice as long as needed, I snagged it, and chain-sawed it to fit.
Wow...please stop posting comments that have correlation to the subject from OP. Big boat on lake...
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These comments from afar that don't contribute to any value from the OP What do you suggest to correct this problem? I come on the forum to understand what current OP are trying to information or help and learn. But really to have so many posts that are just totally off the wall like this recent one just does add any value. It is not what I am looking for from the Winni forum that I used to know and learn from many excellent posters
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This is kind of a teaser but it is all that can be said for now!

There is a new big privately owned boat coming to the lake. It is a little bigger, by a few feet, than the last big privately owned boat that was on the lake.

It is on the way now and will be in the water within the next 4 weeks. It is impressive!

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Awesome. Been looking forward to a big boat topic for ages. I hope we get some cross member, chain, and piling images too.

Way off topic now.
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I've gone by the boat several times and the boat/dock/house all seem in reasonable proportion. No big deal, IMO.

But it could be that the owner will need to take out his/her chain saw, cut all the pilings to the "roof" of the boat "house", and raise the "roof' by about 8 or 10 feet or so. That will enable said boat to fit in the boat "house".

I'm pretty good with a chain saw so I would be willing to help out. And, just to stay on topic, I enjoyed eating RingDings as a kid. How about you?
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I've gone by the boat several times and the boat/dock/house all seem in reasonable proportion. No big deal, IMO.

But it could be that the owner will need to take out his/her chain saw, cut all the pilings to the "roof" of the boat "house", and raise the "roof' by about 8 or 10 feet or so. That will enable said boat to fit in the boat "house".

I'm pretty good with a chain saw so I would be willing to help out. And, just to stay on topic, I enjoyed eating RingDings as a kid. How about you?
Oh baby...Ring Dings were the best!
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I was going to say the same...never ate a devil dog I didn’t choke on!
God awful things...
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Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend.
I find this impossible to believe. My dock is normally high and dry too.... but when the water is high I get wake wash... Now what do I consider high... 504.32 feet is high water, and I will get a wake everynow and again that will crash through the dock.... like your picture shows.... Now my dock isn't in trouble until 505 ft. when teh deck boards are covered....
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Suzy Q's for me!!! I never thought I would see the day that "Hostess" couldn't make it in a country of obese people!! Who knew...??? But to stay on topic, maybe that's another reason why all these otherwise "dry" docks are getting wet these days! More than ever before, obese people in bigger boats making bigger wakes...
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Our dock hasn't been "covered"—ever! Even the strongest of storm winds don't break over this dock. Wish I knew the builder—he knew what he was doing. He also built my neighbor's dock, but it was removed when it couldn't meet permitting when the one-acre property was sold. The acre was split to build two maxed-out house permits—plus a "shared" septic system.

Yes, the lake is unseasonably high. Last weekend, the lake's biggest boats crashed their wakes into the shoreline to pull winter's (normal) muddy footprint into the lake. Lake water came out of the tap darker than I've ever seen it.

It's cleared now, but the invisible "nutrients" of the lake's many lakeside lawns were also "flushed" from the shoreline. As all should know by now, lawn nutrients—namely, Phosphorus and Nitrogen—encourage the growth of algae and exotic milfoil.

Oversized boats may make life gentler for an aging population of boaters, but who would support any oversized mono-hulls—which are speeding Lake Winnipesaukee to an eutrophic end.
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Our dock hasn't been "covered"—ever! Even the strongest of storm winds don't break over this dock. Wish I knew the builder—he knew what he was doing. He also built my neighbor's dock, but it was removed when it couldn't meet permitting when the one-acre property was sold. The acre was split to build two maxed-out house permits—plus a "shared" septic system.

Yes, the lake is unseasonably high. Last weekend, the lake's biggest boats crashed their wakes into the shoreline to pull winter's (normal) muddy footprint into the lake. Lake water came out of the tap darker than I've ever seen it.

It's cleared now, but the invisible "nutrients" of the lake's many lakeside lawns were also "flushed" from the shoreline. As all should know by now, lawn nutrients—namely, Phosphorus and Nitrogen—encourage the growth of algae and exotic milfoil.

Oversized boats may make life gentler for an aging population of boaters, but who would support any oversized mono-hulls—which are speeding Lake Winnipesaukee to an eutrophic end.
So maybe ALL the "lakeside lawns" should be banned. Get rid of them before they turn the lake into a swamp!! It doesn't matter anyways, according to some, who shall remain nameless for the sake of going off topic, say that the world as we know it is coming to an end in 12 years anyways!! So we might as well "live it up" while we can...

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So maybe ALL the "lakeside lawns" should be banned. Get rid of them before they turn the lake into a swamp!! It doesn't matter anyways, according to some, who shall remain nameless for the sake of going off topic, say that the world as we know it is coming to an end in 12 years anyways!! So we might as well "live it up" while we can...
You are correct. Lakeside lawns with no buffer shed a lot of phosphorous and nitrogen into the lake. These things darken the water, promote milfoil and cyanobacteria growth, and over time lead to a much less pleasant lake, even a swamp, as you point out. Mirror Lake, right next door has a had a terrible time, and many parts of Winni are suffering already from too much phosphorous even now (we don't have to wait 12 years).

Also, even if you have a good natural buffer between your (hopefully modest) lawn and the water, it's also best to use fertilizer with no phosphorous. Look at the three numbers on the package, the middle one should be zero.
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What is legal is not always best practice. The Shoreland Water Quality Protection Act is fairly specific about best practices within the waterfront buffer (first 50 feet). Lawn and related fertilizers are not the first choice.
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An excellent study from Michigan:

http://www.mishorelinepartnership.or...shoreline.html

Each "insult" to a lake's life can be seen within a quarter-mile from our Winter Harbor location. From "Slumping", "Rilling", "Gullying", "Seawalls", to "Soil Creep"

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•Level control structures – May raise lake levels to an unnatural point on the shoreline where soils are less able to withstand wave and ice action.
•Clear-cutting natural vegetation – The removal of vegetation by landowners to maximize the amount of visibility and access to the water. In addition to destroying wildlife habitat, the clear-cutting of natural vegetation also eliminates the erosion-preventing root structures once provided by native plants, trees and shrubs.
•Stormwater runoff – Created by areas with impervious surfaces, such as driveways, parking areas and roofs. Impervious surfaces around lakes collect and deliver precipitation over land instead of allowing it to infiltrate into the soil.
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So maybe ALL the "lakeside lawns" should be banned. Get rid of them before they turn the lake into a swamp!! It doesn't matter anyways, according to some, who shall remain nameless for the sake of going off topic, say that the world as we know it is coming to an end in 12 years anyways!! So we might as well "live it up" while we can...
I'd like to see a new law requiring the planting of blueberry bushes.
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...I'd like to see a new law requiring the planting of blueberry bushes...
I don't get excited about more laws, but incentives and free stuff work. Most conservation commissions give out evergreen seelings that they get from the state nursery in Boscawen. Why not roll that over to Blueberries, wintergreen, etc. and related shrub type ground cover? Tough to get rid of all lawns, but, especially in a cove or on a small lake, getting rid of some can be beneficial. You can still have lawns of course, but the woody ground cover is beneficial close to shore.
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