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Old 08-27-2019, 06:47 AM   #1
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That makes me think of the movie Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas with Johnny Dep. Those that have seen it may remember the line..."Is this not a reasonable place to park?".
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Happened late at night... not reported until morning.... hmmm!

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A lighthouse might have prevented this...
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Now that was funny!!!

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I think they trimmed it too much.
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It's amazing how slick algae-covered rocks let a boat slide so easily up onto them while put-putting at headway speed so close to shore.
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Happened late at night... not reported until morning.... hmmm!

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I think I heard that story before... Could be one of Ted's relatives, God knows there is plenty of them, and the apple's don't fall far from the tree!! The best way to tell if they are any "relation" will be if they get away with it completely unscathed... If there are any charges as a result of the investigation, rest assured it was just a "commoner"!!

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This hit the WMUR news this morning. Not much info. Driver was a 58 year old man from Carlisle(?) Mass. who supposedly struck a moored boat and then caromed onto the breakwater.
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This hit the WMUR news this morning. Not much info. Driver was a 58 year old man from Carlisle(?) Mass. who supposedly struck a moored boat and then caromed onto the breakwater.
I called horse crap on that. I will bet anybody right now he was drunk as a skunk and I'll put a hundred dollar bill on this bet. Any takers??
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I called horse crap on that. I will bet anybody right now he was drunk as a skunk and I'll put a hundred dollar bill on this bet. Any takers??
Or maybe he's just blind at night like me. That's why I don't boat at night anymore unless it's a full moon lit night.
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I called horse crap on that. I will bet anybody right now he was drunk as a skunk and I'll put a hundred dollar bill on this bet. Any takers??
Talk about jumping to conclusions.


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It's amazing how slick algae-covered rocks let a boat slide so easily up onto them while put-putting at headway speed so close to shore.
That picture is very odd. If it were posted on social media instead of the reputable LDS I'd say it was Photoshopped.

1. If they were going fast enough to propel the boat high onto the rocks there certainly would have been more serious hull damage. When we see pictures of fiberglass boats that hit something the fiberglass at the impact point is mostly shredded. In the picture there is no real visible hull damage.

2. If they were going slow there couldn't have been enough momentum to propel the boat so high onto the rocks.

3. Since there were no serious injuries they couldn't have been going too fast. How could the boat get up there without serious damage?

Can this be explained?
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There are some things that add t the confusion.
Impaired or not, the events could have happened described by WMUR.
My questions:
1. There's a boat at the dock. Was anybody home, heard the crash and reacted?
2. The accident was Friday night but not reported until Saturday am, right? Where did the driver spend the night? Is he a Lockes Island resident? He walked home?

All sorts of speculation suggested and then deleted. I'll be patient and wait for more official info.
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There are some things that add t the confusion.
Impaired or not, the events could have happened described by WMUR.
My questions:
1. There's a boat at the dock. Thats a Marine Patrol Boat Was anybody home, heard the crash and reacted? No one called to report accident that I am aware
2. The accident was Friday night but not reported until Saturday am, right? Correct Where did the driver spend the night? At his home on LockesIs he a Lockes Island resident? Yes He walked home? Yes, he and his girlfriend

All sorts of speculation suggested and then deleted. I'll be patient and wait for more official info.
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OK, then this should be an EASY C note for you. Am I to assume you are taking my bet?
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Thanks, Dan. There's a little more detail from LaDaSun.
https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...xtual-fallback
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OK, then this should be an EASY C note for you. Am I to assume you are taking my bet?
Where did you see me taking your bet?

Just pointing out that with no facts you jumped to the conclusion that the driver was drunk.


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Where did you see me taking your bet?

Just pointing out that with no facts you jumped to the conclusion that the driver was drunk.


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Night time/boat crash/no way a slow speed put him up there. COMMON SENSE. I'll give you 2:1 odds. Quack like a duck..it's A duck. Kick like a mule it's a mule.. 1+1=2. Alcohol was a factor. So now I'm assuming you are not taking the bet, that's good I believe you just saved yourself $100
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That picture is very odd. If it were posted on social media instead of the reputable LDS I'd say it was Photoshopped.

1. If they were going fast enough to propel the boat high onto the rocks there certainly would have been more serious hull damage. When we see pictures of fiberglass boats that hit something the fiberglass at the impact point is mostly shredded. In the picture there is no real visible hull damage.

2. If they were going slow there couldn't have been enough momentum to propel the boat so high onto the rocks.

3. Since there were no serious injuries they couldn't have been going too fast. How could the boat get up there without serious damage?

Can this be explained?
Perhaps when he was nearing the breakwater he accidentally went WOT (for whatever reason)? Perhaps that would cause the bow to lift enough to make that climb.
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Where on Lockes did he crash, and how far is his house from there?


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Well that breakwater in on the NE point. No idea of his abode. However if he had missed the breakwater (a stone wall as per WMUR news) then there were rocks lurking to ambush the stern drive.
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My opinion is something fishy happened here. Had no alcohol been involved why wasn’t the accident called in right away like is supposed to be done?

I’m sure they will investigate their whereabouts for that evening prior to the incident.
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I called horse crap on that. I will bet anybody right now he was drunk as a skunk and I'll put a hundred dollar bill on this bet. Any takers??
Agreed. I would NOT take that bet... Even without all the facts, you have to consider the percentages of these accidents that DO involve alcohol. Probably in the 90%+ range. Only a FOOL would take your bet!! What about leaving the scene of an accident. Pretty serious crime in a vehicle, does that translate to a boat accident...??? I would say the probability of this guy being drunk is about the same as Jefferey Epstein being murdered, 90%+... Will we ever find out the truth to either???
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Agreed. I would NOT take that bet... Even without all the facts, you have to consider the percentages of these accidents that DO involve alcohol. Probably in the 90%+ range. Only a FOOL would take your bet!! What about leaving the scene of an accident. Pretty serious crime in a vehicle, does that translate to a boat accident...??? I would say the probability of this guy being drunk is about the same as Jefferey Epstein being murdered, 90%+... Will we ever find out the truth to either???
Leaving the scene should be a big deal. But it will all depend on how many attorneys he has.
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I heard from a reliable source that the home owner was out of town when this happened, and that the driver walked to his house a short distance away. The driver knew the home owner and knew he was gone and figured it could wait until morning. He called the marine patrol the next morning after a little shut-eye. I've seen some additional pictures as well. The boat was removed with a barge & crane and brought to Glendale where it was re-floated around 100' off shore and trailered to an impound area. The hull appeared to be in decent shape considering what it had been through. Apparently Chris Craft made some stout fiberglass boats back in the day.
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That picture is very odd. If it were posted on social media instead of the reputable LDS I'd say it was Photoshopped.

1. If they were going fast enough to propel the boat high onto the rocks there certainly would have been more serious hull damage. When we see pictures of fiberglass boats that hit something the fiberglass at the impact point is mostly shredded. In the picture there is no real visible hull damage.

2. If they were going slow there couldn't have been enough momentum to propel the boat so high onto the rocks.

3. Since there were no serious injuries they couldn't have been going too fast. How could the boat get up there without serious damage?

Can this be explained?
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Remember a few years ago a couple in a kayak were run over between Shep's and Bear Is? Nobody actually injured, thew kayak was valued at less than $1000, so no report was required, although it was reported.

I owned both a 1967 and a 1977 CC Lancer at various times. Built like tanks. We know there were no injuries. I f damage was presumed less than $1000 (how do you know at night?) maybe there was no requirement to report? If there is no requirement to report (or reasonable thought) maybe there is no leaving the scene?
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Remember a few years ago a couple in a kayak were run over between Shep's and Bear Is? Nobody actually injured, thew kayak was valued at less than $1000, so no report was required, although it was reported.

I owned both a 1967 and a 1977 CC Lancer at various times. Built like tanks. We know there were no injuries. I f damage was presumed less than $1000 (how do you know at night?) maybe there was no requirement to report? If there is no requirement to report (or reasonable thought) maybe there is no leaving the scene?
It is alleged the operator struck another boat before grounding. It is my understanding that RSA 270:1-a (I) in part requires the operator to give the damaged vessel owner/operator his/her information. In lieu of that the operator must immediately report the incident to the nearest NHMP officer, the NHMP itself, or the nearest police officer/police station. Authorities can/will then determine if the accident rose to the $2000 threshold that would then require a formal report with NHMP.

The operator should have simply called the local police department on his arrival home to report the incident, and thus be in compliance with this RSA, in my opinon. It will be interesting to see how this investigation unfolds....
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Thanks for the more detailed info, Skip. I guess we just don't know if the moored boat was damaged. Yes, he should have called Gilford PD or MP. My recollection of the reporting requirement in the Meredith incident came from a years ago conversation with a member of MP, so it stuck in my mind.
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"Integrity" is doing the right thing when no one is looking, otherwise, there will always be suspicion of foul play. Perception is reality... I suspect foul play here. It's as simple as that to me.
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"Integrity" is doing the right thing when no one is looking, otherwise, there will always be suspicion of foul play. Perception is reality... I suspect foul play here. It's as simple as that to me.
Actually, being ethical is doing the right thing when no one is looking but you had the right idea!
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I do not advocate boating while intoxicated but...

What is the penalty delta for BWI vs reporting the incident late?
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Besides the obvious as discussed above, I have another possibility for consideration.

That Chris Craft has its all around light on top of the windshield and the canvas is up. I forget what the weather was like last Friday night but I can tell all from experience that boating at night looking through the windshield and with a light shining down from above is not ideal. If the visibility was bad as well, itís even worse. Our cuddy was set up that way, I retrofitted it to a stern mounted all around and had a zipped section installed in the canvas over the helm so itís possible to stand up and look over the windshield with the canvas up.

Iím sure the facts will come out in due time, it is amazing that no one was hurt.
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I would like to give this person the benefit of the doubt, and not "assume" anything, but the FACT that he didn't report it until the next morning alone, is suspect, and quite possibly a crime itself. He may have been completely sober, which to me is ALL the MORE reason to report it immediately, to eliminate any suspicion of wrongdoing. If he was sober, and everything was perfectly legal, ie: registrations, license, etc, he did himself an injustice of waiting to report it IMHO.
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I would like to give this person the benefit of the doubt, and not "assume" anything, but the FACT that he didn't report it until the next morning alone, is suspect, and quite possibly a crime itself. He may have been completely sober, which to me is ALL the MORE reason to report it immediately, to eliminate any suspicion of wrongdoing. If he was sober, and everything was perfectly legal, ie: registrations, license, etc, he did himself an injustice of waiting to report it IMHO.
Exactly.

I can think of only one reason someone would leave an accident with a vessel in that orientation.

It's not like he struck a boat moored close to his dock and just tied up to check things out in the morning--his boat was doing a wheelie on a breakwater!

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Exactly.

I can think of only one reason someone would leave an accident with a vessel in that orientation.

It's not like he struck a boat moored close to his dock and just tied up to check things out in the morning--his boat was doing a wheelie on a breakwater!

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I don't know. I think if that happened to me, and I knew the neighbor, I would probably not do anything about it until the morning (presuming no injuries to passengers, no leaking fluids, etc.). Not to try and hide anything, but wouldn't want to deal with the pain-in-the-ass-ness of it late at night.
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I do not advocate boating while intoxicated but...

What is the penalty delta for BWI vs reporting the incident late?
Here is the official ruling on accident reporting:

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...70/270-1-a.htm

BWI is just the same as in a car.

According to Boat-ed, a written report must be filed within 15 days if the damage is over $2000. Failure to do so is a misdemeanor, and its a felony if false information is given, or if physical injury or death is involved.
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So...

Maybe a misdemeanor vs a BWI?

Hmmm...

There are ways this could have happened without alcohol being involved.

I am just curious about what the consequences could be.
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How the heck did they get out of the boat in the middle of the night without getting hurt?? I assume they climbed off the stern on starboard side?
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How the heck did they get out of the boat in the middle of the night without getting hurt?? I assume they climbed off the stern on starboard side?
Because when you are snot slinging drunk, the body feels no pain. That's why drunks usually have little, to no injuries in car wrecks, and the sober, innocent people usually get hurt bad, or die. I am not insinuating anything... (just a hunch).
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Old 08-31-2019, 10:48 AM   #45
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I assume they climbed off the stern on starboard side?
One or both got ejected?
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Old 08-31-2019, 02:37 PM   #46
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One or both got ejected?
No, simply climbed out over edge completely unscathed....
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No, simply climbed out over edge completely unscathed....
Sounds like maybe you have some inside scoop???? Are you holding out on us...??? Is my "hunch" wrong? I would love to be wrong, but I live in "Realville", USA where perception is reality, but sometimes things are not always what they seem. Can get a bit confusing sometimes. Hopefully someone can set us straight on this mystery at some point...
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Exactly.

I can think of only one reason someone would leave an accident with a vessel in that orientation. It's not like he struck a boat moored close to his dock and just tied up to check things out in the morning--his boat was doing a wheelie on a breakwater!
Three dock posts took some of the "crunch" out of the collision.

Some of the boulders appear to have been displaced as well. (Unless the builder deliberately placed them on the end of the dock).

A lot of "white" appears on the boulders most affected by the crash.
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Well, Any word if he was Drunk or not?
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Has anyone heard what really happened here? Been quite some time and not much info on this. Kinda like sweeping it under the rug.
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Nobody injured, little or no property damage, except to the boat, which may not be much. Perhaps "Conduct after an accident"? Not much else to "sweep under the rug". I expect there are numerous incidents around the lake that MP responds to, but require minimal action. This one had the most dramatic picture, however.
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