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Old 11-14-2017, 03:08 AM   #1
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Due to the seasonal low lake levels and many underwater hazards near Lees Mill and the Loon Center in Moultonborough, we recently sold our bow rider, which had a 39 inch draft, and are considering buying a tritoon, which has a 14 inch draft. Another option might be a jet powered boat. I welcome any comments and perspectives that might assist our decision. Thanks.
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We have a tritoon in Hanson Cove and have never had an issue with depth, even last year with the low water levels. We don't go to Lee's Mills a lot, but that whole northern area is pretty similar.

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Our pontoon boat is in Green's Basin. We go to Lee's Mills all the time without any problems. We own a Harris tritoon from Melvin Marina. We love it! go talk to Matt if you are interested in looking at one.
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Good question. Since you apparently know your way around Moultonborough Bay, it would seem draft is only a problem if you don't have enough water at docks you frequent, like your own. I have a 24' deep-vee runabout that draws 25", engine full down. This leads me to believe that your bow-rider with 39" draft may be considerably larger. Obviously, per foot of length, it's hard to beat the load bearing capacity of a 'toon. If you have other boating expectations, say a quick run to Alton Bay for ice cream, I prefer the feeling of safety sitting inside the boat instead of on top when the weather kicks up.
I'm not sure why we don't see more jet boats--the MP has one that is 40 feet and I recall them saying it draws 14" at the dock and 8" on plane. They can put the bow up against almost anybody's shore and still have engines in the water, not tilted up like an I/O or O/B. Maybe there are more jets than I realize, but there is nothing on the outside that visibly tells me it's a jet?
Any jet people out there? We know there are lots who love their 'toons.
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Due to the seasonal low lake levels and many underwater hazards near Lees Mill and the Loon Center in Moultonborough, we recently sold our bow rider, which had a 39 inch draft, and are considering buying a tritoon, which has a 14 inch draft. Another option might be a jet powered boat. I welcome any comments and perspectives that might assist our decision. Thanks. (Yes, this is a duplicate of the post I mistakenly posted under the Boating Issues forum. I hope this is not viewed as a contentious issue.)
This might help with non toon choice...
http:///www.boatingmag.com/boat-engine-comparison
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Old 11-14-2017, 08:23 PM   #6
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Thanks for the helpful perspectives. Based on the comments so far, I am leaning toward buying a tritoon with an outboard motor.
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I have a 21 foot bowrider and have had some trouble during a few year on the Kona Shore. What are the advantages and disadvantages of a jet boat. I've never considered one but based on what I'm reading it sounds like a good idea. I still love being able to explore different "shallow" areas of the Lake, a jet boat could be a good option

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A jet boat would be a great choice. Fays Boat Yard is selling Wellcraft jet boats. My next foray into boats may well be a jet.


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The boatingmag link above indicates that, compared to outboard motors, the jet boat tested was very loud, difficult to maneuver, and inefficient with respect to gas consumption. Are there alternative facts out there?
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The boatingmag link above indicates that, compared to outboard motors, the jet boat tested was very loud, difficult to maneuver, and inefficient with respect to gas consumption. Are there alternative facts out there?
Sadly for some, we live with only one set of facts in this world.

We thought about a jet boat, but the disadvantages you describe are well accepted, and a few minutes thought on the physics involved confirmed the points for us.
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Thanks for the helpful perspectives. Based on the comments so far, I am leaning toward buying a tritoon with an outboard motor.
While not in the market, I agree with that choice. Unless a repair shop gives out a "loaner-engine", buyers that opt for two outboards are much less likely to lose a minute of the season due to repairs.

Because I haven't seen a pontoon boat on a boatlift, I'd have to ask if pontoons are more secure from oversized-boat wakes while "parked" at the dock?

Hurricane Irma didn't harm a neighbor's pontoon boat until his bow-eye fitting got torn from the hull! A "case" for longer, thinner, dock lines?

An outboard's draft is only 3" less than a stern drive, according to Boating Magazine's superb three-boat comparison article. I left a comment: https://www.boatingmag.com/boat-engine-comparison :

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"I'm a great fan of "close" comparison tests such as this one. Well done! I would add that lower initial cost reduces the effect of higher fuel consumption. Also, much storage cost is based on length, so the cost of storage needs to be added to the longer jet-drive design, and that Rotax makes great engines. Note that it's Government regulations that keep the Rotax the noisiest (inside the boat). There may be a workaround for the engineer-owner.

The best line? 'The jet is obnoxiously loud, unless you’ve been riding a personal watercraft and don’t know any better.'"


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How's about a stand-up paddle board?. Looking in craigslist, there's a lot of low priced paddle boards this time of year in their sports section as opposed to the boats section. A high quality , lightweight, fiberglass sup, size 11'6" x 32" only weighs about 35-lbs, and can support someone 250+ lbs while standing up to paddle.

Plus, it uses no gasoline, gives a big exercise workout, and has a draft depth of about 2", plus the 8" fin skeg in the back.

Is good way to lose weight ...... stand up paddle a sup...... no registration, no insurance, no trailer, no motor, no gasoline ..... all you need is an old pair of sneakers, a pfd w/ a whistle, and the big, long paddle.
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Sadly for some, we live with only one set of facts in this world.
And, of course, there are alternate facts.

It's how you assemble the facts that matters. When you assemble facts in different ways you get , in this case, different hull designs, propulsion mechanisms, etc.

There was mention above that jet boats are louder. I will grant that new outboards are very quiet compared to the old 2-cycle type, but I would expect two inboard engines (Jet, full inboard, or I/O, to have similar noise levels if they are based on similar engines. I think conversations are difficult at 35 knots whether you are in a jet boat or on a pontoon, so I would tend to discount this item in choosing one or the other.

One interesting thing about the pontoon: At my Marina, we all back into our slips. Difficult sometimes on a windy day. The 'toon a few slips away from me just drives in and boards at the bow which is close to the dock with no outdrive, swim platform etc to bridge. Very convenient.
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Because of the above mentioned reasons- I would drive a jet before driving. I do agree that they are quieter than they used to be, but I drove a Chapparal when they first came out, and it seems all of the power is at a higher RPM, so at speed you are around 5-6K RPM, I think redline was up around 8,000. A little engine needs that boost to get the power. Without having a "true" neutral, the boat was constantly moving, I found it much harder to dock than my 'toon. Just my .02.
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And, of course, there are alternate facts.

It's how you assemble the facts that matters. When you assemble facts in different ways you get , in this case, different hull designs, propulsion mechanisms, etc.

There was mention above that jet boats are louder. I will grant that new outboards are very quiet compared to the old 2-cycle type, but I would expect two inboard engines (Jet, full inboard, or I/O, to have similar noise levels if they are based on similar engines. I think conversations are difficult at 35 knots whether you are in a jet boat or on a pontoon, so I would tend to discount this item in choosing one or the other.

One interesting thing about the pontoon: At my Marina, we all back into our slips. Difficult sometimes on a windy day. The 'toon a few slips away from me just drives in and boards at the bow which is close to the dock with no outdrive, swim platform etc to bridge. Very convenient.
My quip on "alternate facts" was half in just. The serious half was to point out that "alternate" means in place of another. Your post is a combination of additional facts and opinions. But these are not "alternate" to the facts that, apples to apples, outboards are quieter and easier to control.
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I know that jet boats use a little more fuel and don't respond as well as other drives at docking speed but I had one and liked it a lot.
No prop to worry about with kids in the water.
No prop or lower unit to worry about in shallow water
Able to reverse at full throttle in case of emergency
They don't back up well but you get used to it and if I was using my boat a lot in shallow water I'd buy one in a minute.
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I know that jet boats use a little more fuel and don't respond as well as other drives at docking speed but I had one and liked it a lot.
No prop to worry about with kids in the water.
No prop or lower unit to worry about in shallow water
Able to reverse at full throttle in case of emergency
They don't back up well but you get used to it and if I was using my boat a lot in shallow water I'd buy one in a minute.
I agree. Many years ago I had the 20 Foot Yamaha with twin 135's and enjoyed it a lot. The newer one's are a lot more quiet and have a deeper V so they ride better. The handling was different but it just took some getting use to and it was fine. The thrust when accelerating or pulling skiers was great.
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Fay’s picked up the Scarab jet boat line, which is part of Groupe Beneteau. They own a lot of the popular boat lines.

https://www.beneteau-group.com/en/brands-services/

I bought a 16’ Scarab jet boat last year for use primarily in the shallow backwater near my house in Florida. It’s a fun boat that only draws about 12”. The Bombardier Rotax engine is a great, reliable power plant. Handling is great, noise isn’t that bad at all. Only issue is running in choppy water - it’s like being in a washing machine. But it’s far more practical than a PWC. Fay’s should do well with this line of boats.
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BoatTest.com reviewed the 2018 19 foot Yamaha jet boats in a post today and suggests the noise problem has been addressed: "Soundproofing made a noticeable difference that went from the screaming levels of the previous models to a more comfortable level that remained low enough where we were actually able to have a conversation while at cruise speed… a conversation about how quiet the boat was." I suspect a pontoon boat would still be much quieter, and the other features probably still provide a better fit for my intended uses.
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Thanks for posting, loonguy... I have similar questions actually. I thought about jet boats but feared they would be more difficult to control and steer especially at idle. I also heard they were generally lighter and more vulnerable to getting tossed about in rougher waters. Pontoons seem very practical but I’m just not there yet stylistically....


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We have a jet ski and a pontoon boat and we live near Lee's Mills. Haven't had any problems in over 60 years. Just make you know which side of the buoy's to go on.
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I tried test driving Chaparral's jest boat this fall and was rather disappointed. Its VERY loud, the handling at slower speeds was very cumbersome and it didn't have nearly the pick-up I would have expected.
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With the help of the comments above, I am focused on a 26 foot pontoon boat that I will use for fishing, partying and water sports. With respect to fishing, I would appreciate any perspectives on whether a trolling motor would be useful or effective with a pontoon boat that size on Lake Winnipesaukee. Thanks in advance for your perspectives.
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With the help of the comments above, I am focused on a 26 foot pontoon boat that I will use for fishing, partying and water sports. With respect to fishing, I would appreciate any perspectives on whether a trolling motor would be useful or effective with a pontoon boat that size on Lake Winnipesaukee. Thanks in advance for your perspectives.
I assume your talking about an electric trolling motor? It would depend on what you plan on doing with it. Fishing in sheltered coves and bays for pan fish would be just fine. Trolling for salmon rainbows and lakers would be quite different!

On one of my previous pontoon boats, I used a trolling motor for salmon fishing. It was a 36 volt, 101 lb thrust Minn Kota. It moved the boat around quite well and with plenty of power but the batteries would only last about 3 1/2 hours of trolling. I had to have two battery packs (six batteries) to have a decent day of fishing. It got to be way to cumbersome so I had a gas 9.9 Mercury kicker installed which was way better!

Pontoon boats make a great fishing platform. If you set it up right you can easily change it over quickly to your party / water sports boat and never know it!

I still have that Minn Kota motor if your interested.

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Thanks for the information, Dan. Your advice with respect to the electric trolling motor is consistent with my expectations. The pontoon boat that I am looking at has an option for an electric trolling motor with 55 lb. thrust, which seemed inadequate to me. The alternative of a gas 9.9 Mercury kicker is interesting, but I am wondering what that would do that running the main engine at low rpm would not. Is it just an inexpensive way to limit the hours and wear and tear on the main engine?
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i have a 27ft pontoon with a 200 hp engine that sits 18. its great for sunset cruises, trips across the broads, most water sports and fishing. we love it even though its like driving an aircraft carrier sometimes. for deep fishing (salmon and lake trout) tie laundry baskets to ropes which creates drag and lowers our speed to the 2-3 mph we like for trolling. I can share pictures of huge fish we caught this way. good luck and im sure you will love it!


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Thanks for the information, Dan. Your advice with respect to the electric trolling motor is consistent with my expectations. The pontoon boat that I am looking at has an option for an electric trolling motor with 55 lb. thrust, which seemed inadequate to me. The alternative of a gas 9.9 Mercury kicker is interesting, but I am wondering what that would do that running the main engine at low rpm would not. Is it just an inexpensive way to limit the hours and wear and tear on the main engine?
Yes , the main reason for the kicker is to keep the hours off your bigger main engine. Trolling for 6 or 7 hours a day can really add up quick and you really do not want to put those kind of hours on your larger main motor. A trolling motor is made for specifically that...trolling.

My previous Premier pontoon had a factory optional kicker motor bracket which is what I used. It worked out well. I would think most pontoon manufacturers have this option, if not, the brackets are simple to make.

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If you plan to fish for bass you will likely want the electric troll motor to move slowly and safely around the shore, rocks, weeds that bass frequent. Used that way you would get easily a full day or two on a single charge with the motor ishoot used, probably at or near full power, for higher speed salmon fishing.
Ishoot mentions a 36v (3 batteries) motor giving 100lbs+ of force but you might be fine with 24v (2 batteries) 80 lb thrust.
Additionally a front mounted electric could help with docking in high wind and/or help accessing anchoring places like the west side of Ragged Island.
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My research to find the right trolling motor turned up a couple of links that others might find helpful:

https://1source.basspro.com/index.ph...-for-your-boat

https://www.cabelas.com/product/Trol...ide/532011.uts

I am getting close to a purchase and hope to be at the NH Boat Show in Bedford in a couple weeks ready to make my final selection, probably a pontoon boat about 26 feet long with a 200 or 250 HP motor plus an electric trolling motor.

I welcome any additional perspectives. Thanks to all for your help.
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I agree w/ishoot..we use a harris 21 ft toon w/115 command thrust...installed a minn kota terrova 80lbs with quick release bracket.(24 volt)(60 Inch )...we fish ice out and troll with zero issues using a drift sock to slow the boat down if needed..We use the trolling motor the rest of the season for bass and drift fishing. the spot lock and remote are awesome on the pontoon ( the foot controls stay under the seat)....We do not use a kicker. if I had a 250 on the back that would be different.... we have zero concerns with the 50-100 hrs a year we put on fishing...I do regular oil changes which are super easy with the newer outboards... good luck in your search, Carno
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My research to find the right trolling motor turned up a couple of links that others might find helpful:
https://1source.basspro.com/index.ph...-for-your-boat
https://www.cabelas.com/product/Trol...ide/532011.uts I am getting close to a purchase and hope to be at the NH Boat Show in Bedford in a couple weeks ready to make my final selection, probably a pontoon boat about 26 feet long with a 200 or 250 HP motor plus an electric trolling motor.
I welcome any additional perspectives. Thanks to all for your help.
For four to six passengers, folks can buy smaller pontoons for Winnipesaukee weekends...
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Just don't venture out into the broads.
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