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Old 10-17-2020, 12:26 PM   #1
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Default NHEC special election results!

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My friend and colleague, Dick Knox, says it best:

"A very big THANK YOU to NH Electric Co-op members who responded to the call to vote in the Co-opís just-concluded special election on broadband. A stunning 88.4 percent of you voted Yes on the proposition to change NHECís bylaws, enabling it to go forward with its ambitious plans to bring fast, affordable internet service to tens of thousands of Co-op members who now lack it.
When was the last time ANY proposition won 88 percent of the vote?

Not only does this send a strong signal to the Co-op about what its members want and expect their utility to do to address the painful rural internet gap, but it stands as a resounding signal to elected officials (at all levels), to funding agencies, and to entrepreneurs (both nonprofit, like NHEC, and for-profit) that broadband internet is a pressing need with compelling public support. The pandemic underscored this need. As Co-op board chairman Tom Mongeon noted, itís analogous to the Co-opís provision of electricity to rural areas in 1939.

Finally, this is the second time in four months that Co-op members have sent this signal. Back in June, a pro-broadband initiative put forward by a no-budget grass roots group fell just 183 votes shy of the two-thirds majority needed to change the Co-opís bylaws adding broadband to the utilityís charter. But that was enough to get the ball rollingÖand as it rolled it gathered size and momentum, as this special election result shows.

In other words, democracy can (sometimes) work.

Richard Knox
Chair, New Hampshire Broadband Advocates"
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Old 10-17-2020, 02:08 PM   #2
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Our rates will skyrocket in the near future!

Congratulations to NHEC on finding a way to collect $ from members to invest in non-COOP PROFIT!
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Old 10-18-2020, 02:25 AM   #3
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All,

My friend and colleague, Dick Knox, says it best:

"A very big THANK YOU to NH Electric Co-op members who responded to the call to vote in the Co-opís just-concluded special election on broadband. A stunning 88.4 percent of you voted Yes on the proposition to change NHECís bylaws, enabling it to go forward with its ambitious plans to bring fast, affordable internet service to tens of thousands of Co-op members who now lack it.
When was the last time ANY proposition won 88 percent of the vote?

Not only does this send a strong signal to the Co-op about what its members want and expect their utility to do to address the painful rural internet gap, but it stands as a resounding signal to elected officials (at all levels), to funding agencies, and to entrepreneurs (both nonprofit, like NHEC, and for-profit) that broadband internet is a pressing need with compelling public support. The pandemic underscored this need. As Co-op board chairman Tom Mongeon noted, itís analogous to the Co-opís provision of electricity to rural areas in 1939.

Finally, this is the second time in four months that Co-op members have sent this signal. Back in June, a pro-broadband initiative put forward by a no-budget grass roots group fell just 183 votes shy of the two-thirds majority needed to change the Co-opís bylaws adding broadband to the utilityís charter. But that was enough to get the ball rollingÖand as it rolled it gathered size and momentum, as this special election result shows.

In other words, democracy can (sometimes) work.

Richard Knox
Chair, New Hampshire Broadband Advocates"
Can you answer a dumb question?

What is NHEC Co-op?

Does it affect me in Bristol?

Why does one sign up? Is it to get cheaper electric rates? Can anyone in NH sign up? Do you have to be a resident?

Congrats on the vote.
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What is NHEC Co-op?
'A Brief History on New Hampshire Electric Cooperative; 1915-1948' ...... if you google that .... the Co-Op was born to go out into the NH country-side to rural areas because existing utilities like Boston Edison were not interested to go way out there ..... no way ..... not out to those Moultonborough back-woods sticks, for example ..... hardly, just not worth the effort, no damned way to build a line way back there, for what and for the very few poor farm people, way out there.
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Can you answer a dumb question?

What is NHEC Co-op?

Does it affect me in Bristol?

Why does one sign up? Is it to get cheaper electric rates? Can anyone in NH sign up? Do you have to be a resident?

Congrats on the vote.
NHEC is an electricity provider in portions of NH, and it appears that it does cover close to 300 customers in Bristol.

Who do you pay your electrical bill to?

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NHEC is an electricity provider in portions of NH, and it appears that it does cover close to 300 customers in Bristol.

Who do you pay your electrical bill to?

Dave
Itís been Eversource, but canít you choose?
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Four electric distribution companies operate in New Hampshire, each serving a mutually exclusive franchise territory.

https://www.puc.nh.gov/Electric/electric.htm

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A republic, not a democracy ...

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. "

One day a year ... a democracy ... e.g., town meeting, if you attend. "Majority" rules, ... not elected officials.
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Mutually exclusive means you have just Eversource and no where else to buy your electricity, unless you are Walmart in Plymouth that get's its electricity from Southern Power ..... specifically Alabama Power ..... burning soft coal from Wyoming delivered by a BNSF coal freight train, haul'n coal from Cheyenne, WY to Birmingham, AL ...... choo-choo ..... el cheapo 'Bama pow'r delivered over the Co-Op's wire lines to that friendly, helpful, low-price Plymouth, Gilford & Tilton Walmart.
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A republic, not a democracy ...

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. "

One day a year ... a democracy ... e.g., town meeting, if you attend. "Majority" rules, ... not elected officials.
In the context of US constitutional law, the definition of republic refers specifically to a form of government in which elected individuals represent the citizen body and exercise power according to the rule of law under a constitution, including separation of powers with an elected head of state, referred to as a constitutional republic or representative democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

The terms republic and democracy are not mutually exclusive.
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Also,

A republic, not a democracy ...

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. "

One day a year ... a democracy ... e.g., town meeting, if you attend. "Majority" rules, ... not elected officials.
Not sure why you bring this up, other than it's a new talking point to discredit our democratic norms. All of the NHEC members were offered the chance to vote on this specific issue--democracy decided we should add broadband to our cooperative
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Old 10-19-2020, 08:29 PM   #11
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Not sure why you bring this up, other than it's a new talking point to discredit our democratic norms.
... discredit our democratic norms ... please!

Talking point ...you mean like what you just stated!

Since Wiki is quoted, than quote it more accurately to reality:
A democratic republic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

The board of directors initiated this second bylaw change, not "the people".

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No it didn't!
Maybe you don't understand what you voted for.

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These bylaw changes give NHEC the ability to respond quickly and efficiently to federal, state, and local funding opportunities. The changes will also allow NHECís Board of Directors to enter into strategic partnerships and evaluate the best organizational structure to meet the goal of ensuring members have access to the broadband service they need.
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... ensuring members have access to the broadband service they need.
And how are they going to determine that? I deserve at least gigabit speed!

https://www.nhec.com/nhec-members-ap...aw-amendments/

Notice that the directors not "the people" will decide new ventures. Difference between democracy and elected officials.

Hopefully, the directors will choose a venture that will be "co- .... operative" with providing electricity, without causing consumer monetary damage, and not think that stringing fiber cable on poles will be the end-all.
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Like FDR ...?

https://postalmuseum.si.edu/collecti...ting-president

He also tried to pack SCOTUS! (Supreme Court of the US) speaking historically, not "constitutionally", notwithstanding relevancy.

Was the NH COOP Board stacked?
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So, will a second set of wires be needed for the Co-Op's internet service, or will this new high powered internet travel the power lines already there over the copper lines in place since 1950.

Ye olde 1950 copper wires go 2020 wifi with more technology than ever imagined, or something?
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So, will a second set of wires be needed for the Co-Op's internet service, or will this new high powered internet travel the power lines already there over the copper lines in place since 1950.

Ye olde 1950 copper wires go 2020 wifi with more technology than ever imagined, or something?
Rumor has it, maybe a petition, that an RFP may go out for blankets. Something about smoke signals!

However, the copper-wire-power-line approach has/is been contemplated by others.

https://eandt.theiet.org/content/art...er-power-line/

https://www.state.nj.us/rpa/BPLwhitepaper.pdf


May as well include WIKI ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadb...er_power_lines
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The current electric wires will not carry data. That was tried in other parts of the country about a decade ago with little success. Any new cable will be fiber optics. Instead of electricity, light is beamed through the cable. Different colors of light represent different frequencies, or channels. Long-haul cables need to be amplified every 30 miles or so. Neighborhood distribution boxes regenerate light for individual homes. Gigabit speed is pretty standard, but 10 Gigabit service is technically possible, if there was a market. No need till we have hologram projectors in our living rooms, if ever.

It is yet to be announced which business model NHEC will take. In one approach, they sell wholesale bandwidth and let other companies sell to consumers. This is a good approach if NHEC doesn't want to deal with consumer level internet problems. They would also have the cellular telephone and cable providers as customers. Firstlight is the primary competitor today, but with a limited presence. The other approach is to be an internet service provider to residences, competing with the telephone and cable companies. More revenue, more expenses, more competition.

There is a document floating around listing the many telecom grants available in 2021. If NHEC can get their proposals together quickly, the parts of the Lakes Region that uses NHEC will benefit greatly having Federal funds pay for the infrastructure. That was done for electricity, telephone and highways in the past, so its pretty straight forward once the public utility nature of the service is established. Thanks to Corona, the argument is a lot easier than it was.
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So how long will it take NHEC to actually provide broadband to some or all of their customers? 5 years, 10 years, longer?

Anyone have any realistic idea?
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